This is not Dave Petraeus' war. This is George Bush's war
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Keith Olbermann brings on WaPo's Thomas Ricks to discuss the recent call by military officials to expand the writing of the next assessment report on the state of the Iraqi occupation to more than Gen. David Petraeus, as reported by the LA Times:
Concerned about the war's effect on public trust in the military, the leading officials said they hoped the next major assessment early next year would not place as much emphasis on the views of Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq, who in September spent dozens of hours in testimony before Congress and in televised interviews.
Defense officials believe his testimony succeeded in muting a congressional debate and in giving them breathing room for their counter-insurgency strategy, but at a potentially high cost. In addition to the burden on Petraeus, some officials believe, an incessant spotlight on one general risks politicizing the military and undermining the public's faith that military leaders will give honest assessments of the war's progress.
"This is not Dave Petraeus' war. This is George Bush's war," said one senior official, underscoring the military's view that its role is to carry out the decisions made by political leaders.
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"ethnic cleansing is just another way of saying I love you"-David Betray Us
This is not Dave Petraeus’ war, it's George Bush's Neo Crusade.
"To infinity and beyond!" - Buzz Lightyear
It's the war that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends
Somebody started it not knowing what it was
Now they keep on fighting it, only just because
It's the war that never ends...
With apologies to Norman Martin
Acting Patriotic @ 1:
With a hat tip to the great John Prine:
While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.
Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.
Repeat Chorus:
Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...
"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."
Someone needs to point out the obvious - Dubya has politicized the military by using them as a backdrop for his incessant lectures about how he's right and everyone else in the world is wrong. His inability to admit error is a common character defect of alcoholics that, along with all the other character defects that are part of that disease, doesn't disappear magically when the plug gets stuck in the jug.
It is not George Bush's War. It is our Great Grandchildren's War.
Bin Laden Owns Citi Bank Now
Paying the Middle East $100/barrel oil so they can bail out and get control of our countries Largest Bank Citigroup at Bush fire sale prices to launder I suppose terrorist money?
This is some fxxking crazy politics here.
yellow dog @ 6:
If he's drinking 'near beer,' he's not sober, period. It's like thinking diet sodas are gonna make you thin.
And it doesn't matter how many generals stand up to give a report if it's been reviewed, hacked, and spun by the White House for ideological purity.
L.A. Confidential @ 8:
Hooray! I am sure Larry Kudlow has a Pfizer induced chubby over the Abu Dhabi deal.
-GSD
Yeah. The 'we're fighting Islamofascistextremists' crowd ought to really be asking why their heroes are busy selling this country wholesale to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and so on.
It may be George Bush's war but Congress has the ability to bring it to an end by cutting off the funding yet they refuse to act. The days drag on as more coffins are flown back to this country with soldiers having died for no justifiable reason and more soldiers filling the hospital wards with their broken bodies and minds in a state of disrepair but still the politicians allow this unnecessary occupation to continue. Their hands should be filled with as much shame and culpability as anyone in this administration.
GSD @ 10:
Notice how the MSM hasn't come out and covered . . . The Nations Largest Bank took losses estimated at $125 Billion and a stock drop of 45%. Executives in Aspen and Monte Carlo could not be reached for comment.
George bush's war and the most awful crime committed by our country in my life time.
Shadowgm @ 11:
U.S. Highways are for sale at bargain prices too! I think the Bin Sultan Sheik Ur Booty and Bounty Arabians are diversifying into that also.
Pay no attention to whats going on behind the TeeVee.
Nonsense,
its Clintons war, if he had had the nerve to support the uprising back in the nineties, this would almost have been over by now. Not to mention the fact that he left your country wide open to terrorist attacks, lost international support due to philandering, and has ruined the White house so much, the GWB is still working hard to restore its honor and integrity, with thrashed computers, which has caused so much loss of emails, and information, so the work is going slowly.
Thomas Ricks quoted a Viet Nam serviceman. "We can't win - We can't lose - We can't leave"
I say "oh, woe is me" and nothing can be done about this stupid killing war.
Why can't we just bring our kids home? To hell with George W. Bush. To hell with Richard B. Cheney. To hell with Condi Rice. To hell with Donald Rumsfeld. To hell with David Prateus. To hell with "Support our Troops" ribbons.
It's not a good day for me and the war news is not helping. Very frustrating!!
Norse @ 17:
Go soak your head! You don't know what your talking about!
Yeah, and the military can allways be counted on to stop and say to themselves "Hey, what the hell are we doing here, this has got to stop". The problem with the military is that it brainwashes people into thinking that it is honourable to blindly follow the orders of a corrupt goverment.
I was following orders......famous last words.
Norse @ 17:
And the nerve of the Clintons to trash air force one and steal the fixtures and furniture out of it when they left office. And they got away with it! I bet the Clintons even had the nerve to decorated their home with Air Force One Trophies.
Norse @ 17:
That was Bush Sr. You always talk before having your facts straight?
This is not Dave Petraeus’ war. This is the AWOL coke-snorting fratboy drunk George Bush's war.
Norse @ 17:
Say what?
Support what uprising? How is it that you are claiming that things would have been different if we'd gone the distance then, as opposed to now - especially when Cheney's own predictions about Iraq have come true?
Blaming Clinton ignores the fact that Mr. 'We Have Lots Of Work To Do' sat on Richard Clarke's request for a principals meeting that was filed less than a week after Bush's inauguration, but back-burnered until the week before 9/11. Who dropped the ball, again?
As for losing international support and 'ruining the White House so much,' we had a surplus. It's gone, frittered away on Bush's little war. Bush is an embarassment. One does not restore honor and integrity by lying, nor by ignoring the law.
Trashed computers? You are clearly mistaking anecdotal accounts of missing keyboards and peripherals from the Clinton Administration for long-lasting and irreparable damage. And those lost e-mails? Those were on GOP servers and secondary accounts that were in violation of the Presidential Records Act, completely unrelated to Clinton in any way.
Next, we'll see the standard troll dodge. "I am not a Republican, and I did not vote for Bush. I don't like the war or green eggs and ham."
Norse @ 17:
You mean the uprising that Bush I called for, then ignored?
Norse @ 17:
Norse @ 17:
Bwaaaaahahahaaaaa!!! Oh man! That's rich! You're TRYING to be funny...right? You can't be...serious? BWAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAAA!!!
Weaseldog @ 23:
Oh, you mean when the Clintons masterminded the plan for President Reagan, VP Bush and Donald Rumsfield to arm Saddam with WMDs and encourage him to start wars and torture people?
Norse @ 17:
uyglggl @ 18:
Ahhh, What! Are you serious? I seriously hope that you are joking. If not, god help you. Do some research to find that there is no reports of computer issues until it came time to turn over emails. Now the emails over what may be the most critical period of dubya's tenure are somehow lost, and not found. Please, any IT wiz can tell you first of all that they would have been aware of the problem before millions of emails are lost, not to mention they would have been able to produce them after a little work.
If you're really not joking, I agree in part with the Clinton comment. I think the Clinton's are just as much in this coup as the Bush's. Democrats and Republicans are really a unilateral movement towards total domination. Once one party obtains power, the interests of the people are thrown out. This bi-party system our country has become has rotted our core. Though bringing in voices of other party's may cause a strain in debate and negotiations to develop legislation, they are necessary to halt the evil of continual power. The republicans made a power grab, as have the democrats, and the people pay the price.
All this talk of democrats taking control of the legislature is somewhat of a twisted view of success. True success will be to get people of true integrity into elected positions, nominated positions throughout government, and a reformed judicial system. Our country is weak due to selfish acts of powerful people. Even those with integrity are prone to being drawn to the almight dollar after being in their position for too long. I believe congressmen and senator's should have limitations to their terms as well. I believe that there should be no private financing of campaigns to equalize the playing field. I believe that a 2 party system will, and has began to, destroy our country. Vote 3rd party for true changes and to escape the empty promises of democratic and republican campaigns.
Weaseldog @ 25:
I guess the humor of the original poster was not obvious enough... jeez, lighten up people!
Dr. Who @ 28:
Humor? Where?
Oh, a report. Wow. That'll make a difference.
yellow dog @ 6:
he makes a very fine stooge for the criminaly insane rich corporations, still believe in illushions in the sky?
Shadowgm @ 30:
Actually...it is humorous...tongue in cheek type humor...I missed it the first time...more coffee please!
Norse @ 17:
so much horse shit so little time to spread it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why anyone would believe anything the military has to say about how a war is going is beyond me. That's like asking someone with a very serious weight problem how their diet is going while they compete in a pie eating contest.....
"Iraq is George Bush's War - the next one belongs to all of us."
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 5:
Unfortunately, that song is timeless. We never seem to learn.
Norse @ 17:
Hahahahaha! You had me going for a minute, until you mentioned the "thrashed computers which has caused so much loss of e-mails." And Clinton not supporting the uprising is brilliant revisionist history. Heh.
No this is georgie's invasion.
War was never declared by Congress as per the Constitution.
ysaddaden @ 39:
I believe we were acting as "liberators". Get it straight, man.
Fanon @ 40:
yes we liberated them so much they are dieing from schrap nel er happyness!
Fanon @ 40:
Not to worry, I'm neither Republican nor have a wide stance.
Ya know... I think there is plenty of blame to go around for ALL this shit.. Plenty for Dave, plenty for George, plenty for Dick....among many others too... They've all proven to be assholes getting people killed and maimed for nothing but egos, greed and irrational paranoia!!! Yep, that's a hellova legacy your leaving behind you Bush... A regular frikkin Typhoid Mary of legacies you sonofabitch!
And I couldn't help but notice in the tag line, 'some officials believe an incessant spotlight on one general risks politicizing the military and undermining the publics faith' blah blah blah... Gee ya think???............ Way to go boys........way to go.....PFFT! JD
It is surely bush's war, and by his pursuit of this war he has completely vitiated the government of America.
Hah. Just sitting here chuckling because if FixedNoise did this story, rather than footage of soldiers soldiering in Iraq, they'd be playing background clips of bikini clad bimbos flouncing around at some sort of Spring Break fiesta (this is besides the fact that their version of the story would factually crippled, but I will save that line of snarking for the next time they report something with no basis in reality. And that should be in about 5, 4, 3.....).
Weaseldog @ 4:
Damn you Weaseldawg!!! LOL! Now that infernal song will be stuck in my head all friggin day!
Shiva H Vishnu @ 46:
We're vittles now?
Funny how some people say war, horror and whore like they're all the same word.
liberalNmoderation @ 48:
My work here is done. :)
When David Petraeus published that OpEd in the WaPo--illegally inserting himself into partisan politics, I might add--he bought at least a little piece of this war. Bu$hCo may have started it, but Petraeus did his part to keep the current administration in power, thereby extending the war. Not to be outdone, he went in front of Congress and bamboozled the unwashed into believing that the pony was just around the corner.
As a 10-year military veteran I have always believed that officers who achieve the rank of Lieutenant Colonel have lost the ability to say "no." Beyond that level, they are so involved in politics and shining their own brass that they can't really see the greater good.
Weaseldog @ 50:
Weaseldawg...may the fleas of 1000 camels infest your armpits! ;)
Fanon @ 40:
As is the american way, liberating people from their property (oil) and their lives.
Also branding anyone who defends their country from aggressive invasion and occupation an insurgent or terrorist.
Just as well the troops over there aren't raping and murdering innocent Iraqis .......... oh wait they are ....... abhorrently disgusting, and voted in twice by the americon people ......
At least we all know what the US stands for now, hypocrisies, lies, greed an murder.
pissed off patricia @ 14:
Not even that, though the people who think they care about it are calling for victory as there is something wrong with compromises and leaving, and thinking they have a right to be there to destroy a country and murder it's people as america wants it ........... I hope you're all hanging you heads in shame, and doing something about this.
I wouldn't travel in the world any time soon, you're going to be even less welcome.
JerryM @ 51:
Yeah Me and this guy agree!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/travel1.jpg
^^^^
Not seen that before, though makes a lot of sense.
Interesting how the actions of the admin have made a some what xenophobic country where few people were interested in the world and travelled to start with, near completely cut off now, so now they can actually say "Look there are terrorists and dragons every where, they all hate you" .......... because it's becoming more true by the day, hour, minute.
I temporarily live in Vancouver BC at the moment, over from Europe as I'm going around the world, and last long weekend there were a bunch of american kids up here drinking and I asked them where they were from and their reply was "errr..... yea, here ....." blatant american accents, and trying to pay in US dollars at bars and when I called them on it they got angry and explained that I was jealous and that they would "kick my ass US style" ......... very very sad.
When are you lot going to sort it out ?
Thank God these jokers are a bunch of amateurs. Their ad hoc ways are coming back to haunt them. As bad as it is, we’d be in even deeper sh*t if these people knew what they were doing.
According to Ricks, to whom Bush is 'The Fiascoist', the Iraq war will only be 'Bush's War' if we declare 'Victory', pull out, and escape with most of our asses intact.
If the war continues it's normal course, and the quagmire continues to suck up most of our resources, it will become 'Petraeus's War', as we curl up on the ground and lick our own ass*oles.
Has anyone thought of expanding the whole 'No Child Left Behind Program' to include sending all Pentagon officers and workers to Regent Law School on an all-expense-paid scholarship basis for eight years, or as long as it takes for them to 'graduate' (finish coloring the books), or reach retirement age, whichever comes last.
This would not only fu*k-up Pat Robertson, which is a good thing, but straighten out the whole DOD, and go a long way toward bringing Peace to the World.
This may be an idea whose time has come.
Here's the acid test for all presidential candidates:
Would you play poker with them if they were allowed to deal?
In Rudy's case, he'd have an empty table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOmND0n-BY
Just as an insight to how messed up the american people are, as to what they support and who they voted in twice :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/09/wbush09....
Petreaus should thank his lucky stars I'm not his boss. I would bust his ass back to private for multiple counts of false official statement and conduct unbecoming and see to it that he got a dishonorable discharge.
Fucking kying sycophant. HE's earned the name "Betrayus".
Paul @ 60:
For not saying how bad the invasion and occupation really is, yes well done .........
JerryM;
I think you're preaching to the choir here somewhat buddy.. It's a sad fact that any American traveling these days would be a fool to admit they are from here now in mixed company overseas... And that sad fact is Bush's and his administrations fault exclusively..He's a world class clueless asshole being manipulated by others who are truly even more evil than him...If you can believe that... And I do.. which doesn't excuse him in my mind at all.... He's a fucking disgrace to America...
That said, your lumping us all in with the 59 million morons who went to the polls and elected this misfit in 04 does the 55 million of us who knew better and didn't vote for the cocksucker, (I personally voted for the horsefaced vet) a serious and undeserved injustice... But I get your point about traveling about in the world nowadays... Just not a very friendly place in many regions for American citizens on vacation now....
As to the response by those little shits (sounds like a pack of college preppies with clueless parents who probably did vote for the moron), talking trash in response to your finger pointing about where they are from... Ya know, I think you were looking to start a little trouble where you really didn't need to guy...Makes me wonder a little about your own motivations dude... But since the little twits took you up on it.. You shoulda called their bluff.... I doubt the entire lot could've backed any of it up... Fucking preppy comic book heroes never can......
So, JerryM, As long as you're traveling around this great big friendly world, come on down here, we ain't all assholes although you do have to pick and choose a bit, use some discrimination regarding where you want to land and wander about on your trek..... That's just the way it is now... Another gift from the fuckwad we all dispise and/or hate with a passion on this site mister... You're not the only one disgusted by this situation, so lighten up a little on the 'whole' of the American population...... There are roughly 59 million of 'us' who fucked up a couple of years ago and I strongly suspect those numbers are deminishing as buyers remorse sets in.....JD
JD
P.S. JerryM;
That stooge wasn't 'elected' in 2000... If you're so up on all things American, you'd know that was a sham election and the U.S. Supreme Court weighed in (which basically invalidated and tainted our judicial branch in my mind) and basically installed this asshole after some bitch (just don't sitefolk, she damned well earned that label... EARNED it!! ) in florida fouled up the vote count down there which perverted our voting process, allowing this travesty to get started...It has led to a variety of other problems we need to 'sort out' as well, (can anyone say paperless electronic voting??)..A-NOTHER scam needing fixed in the worst way here.....
Al Gore who by all that it right and honest and honorable should have been our nations president from at least 2000 to 2004 made a major mistake by not fighting that shit tooth and nail to the end and beyond...But that's the way it worked out...He didn't fight, he conceded.. And I know Gore has blemishes, some weak points too, (he was part of the Clinton administration in the early 90's that foisted NAFTA onto America just to name one). But he's a damned sight better human being than George W. Bush ever was or ever will be, even if he is a rich fuck as well. And I swear to God, noone, and I mean NOONE expected 'this' sonofabitch would turn around and do all this much damage to our nation and the world... Not even the idiot trolls who voted for him the first time in 2000...
So again, I ask you to lighten up a bit, and maybe check your facts a little closer before you paint us 'all' with that broad brush of yours mister. It's sounding just a bit trite a tiny bit too smug. If you're a Brit, try to recall it was my parents and grandparents generation that bailed your parents and grandparents generation out. you know, that whole London blitz business.. You can check that in the history books too, or just ask your mum buddy.........JD
This is a war? I'm sorry, I thought this was one bratty cowboy king's way to make sure he had a bigger thing than daddy!
Yay Olbermann! Bush is just a lump on the throne. A plague-spreading lump.
Now that I've properly disgusted you all, off to protest!
Jack Damage @ 62:
I'd say not, I'd say the 51% that voted him in and the % of the country that couldn't be bothered and didn't care to vote are also to blame, and that is the majority of americans, and in a democracy that is the will of the country.
Jack Damage @ 62:
He is a disgust the human race.
Jack Damage @ 62:
I am now yes, because I see so many sitting on the fence not caring or doing anything or who just keep waving the flag and shouting "We're #1 you can't tell us anything, oh by the way we're going to tell you how to live, and it's the american way" ... i.e. the typical american.
Jack Damage @ 62:
And rightly so I'd say, karma is a bitch.
Jack Damage @ 62:
They were lying and giving Canadians a bad name by claiming that there were them, I did call them on it and point it out, to which they physically threatened me, unfortunatly for then I was out having a drink with the general manager so they got thrown out to protests and cries of "Oh your just jealous your not american, where would you be without us in WW2" and other such nonsense. My motivations were to call them on hiding and being assholes and giving Canadians a bad name, I've done the same in London where some detroit guys were giving some locals a hard time while wearing the maple leaf, so I pointed that out as well.
Jack Damage @ 62:
I came down two years ago and it took me over an hour in a little room explaining to homeland scrutiny that I wasn't a terrorist because I had a stamp in my passport to Cuba.... funny seeing as I'm white, I though it's was only brown members of the British government that got that treatment.
Then for 3 days was constantly reminded that I should be gratefull to the US for being so utterly amazing ...... sad really, I couldn't want to get back over the border. Since, I've turned down all kinds of contacts there and you couldn't pay me to go there now. I'm also quite worried about the social infection that will creep over the border as Bush finally takes the country to total faschism and invades Iran etc.
Jack Damage @ 62:
I'd like to agree with you, I've met a very few cool ones who really don't like what is going on, and even less that are actually doing anything about it. The only ones I've seen trying to make a difference were girls wearing pink.
Jack Damage @ 62:
And this from the country that is exporting it's "democracy" where it feels fit around the world.
Jack Damage @ 62:
I'm pretty such that most of the people that voted for and support him truly think that he is going to cleans the world of all that isn't american ........
Jack Damage @ 62:
History ? You mean america being one of the biggest supporters of Hitler while the origional allies were fighting ? You mean when we went over the water the German trucks had GMC and Ford engines, yes I've done my home work. I am also aware that a few americans had to come to Canada to get into the effort. Then american turns up half way though.
Mean while it was your current leaders grandfather who was one of the main funders and influencers of Hitler at the time, Prescott Bush.
As for this "we saved you and the world" attitude ....... that puts you up there with the college boys really, give it a rest, at least we were doing the right thing opposed to the most profitable. america made a huge amount of money of the war, and the allies are still paying for it.
So yes, I'm aware there are a few good ones, though the fact that he's still president and that Iran is just about to be attacked and questions like "What do you prefer diamonds or pearls" are getting asked in elections proves to me it's getting worse by the day.
Olbermann to Ricks - "And there's no sign that any of the political reconciliation or even stabilization that the surge and the calming down of things in Iraq was supposed to enable has been enabled?"
Ricks - "No, and in fact you're going to have to see more turbulence."
Curse that George W. Bush for bringing about this troubling lack of sufficient turbulence in Iraq.
@ 1:32: Are those Rosary beads hanging on the wall behind the solider holding the flashlight?
The US military can refuse to obey illegal orders in an illegal war. If they want to fight for the War Criminal Administration, then they can go to the dock of the International War Crimes Court with the Bushies.
The war is over ..it's an OCCUPATION AND THE u.s. MILITARY IS FIGHTING the Resistance .
Let's quit arguing about whose war this debacle is.
Let's just call it 'Cheney's War', and smash it's pacemaker.
ooh,
btw
/snark off :)
interesting that most atually bought it, one would think the "the war would almost be over by now" and "trashed pc's for loss of emails" would have clued people in.
JerryM @ 65
Dude...since you're obviously quite adept at busting American balls, how about some advice on how to fix the situation instead of snide comments, hmmm? We know this country is fucked, and some of us are trying to change the situation. Most people I know are struggling to pay the bills so we can't go and protest like the ladies in pink simply because we're broke. So please, either give us some positive ideas, or kindly shut your bleeding cake hole.
Thank you for your cooperation.
And by the way, I could pick apart you Brits as well, your nations reputation isn't as sterling as you think it is.
Norse @ 71:
I had to read it twice before I saw the humor...sarcasm is hard to pick up in text, lol!
liberalNmoderation @ 73:
True, which is why I usually tend to be overly careful in written communication.
I am however unsure what I should be concerned about, its either the fact that normally astute bloggers (hey Xoites:) ) fell for it, with the resulting knee jerk reaction, or that there is actually a significant majority in the US who do cling to such arguments, or even worse ones, to justify the current situation.
*Shrug*
Well, I am sitting here, happily content in a country to liberal for Michael Moore to dare have us in his "Sicko" (we are on the dvd though, I think his term was "blows France out of the water"), even though we had to share first place as best country to live in this year with Iceland, after being alone for last 6 years.
Though, I am looking at the situation around the world, with a weakened US going facist, and a rather aggressive Russia, who keeps committing genocide in Chechenya and killing reporters, and the instability resulting from your current admins greed, and I worry.
Norse @ 74:
These are indeed quite troubling times, to put it mildly...this administrations actions have sent shockwaves around the world...and I'm sad to say, but most of my friends, and family even are either blind to what's going on, or just plain refuse to see it. So either I'm nuts, or they're all complacent, lazy Americans who just want to watch tv, and eat fast food, world be damned. I don't know what to do.
David Petraeus has gone a long way to make himself out to be a political hack..
JerryM@65;
I read your response this a.m. I am not going to banter back and forth with you guy. Some of what you say I tend to agree with, such as your snark about us exporting democracy... As far as that goes, I am against it until we clean up our own house which initially involves removing George W. Bush and his administration from power. After that, this whole exporting our form of government or society needs serious reevaluation.. I'm not at all sure we need to be exporting anything culturally as much as properly modeling our form of society and then letting others decide for themselves.. On the other hand, some of what you say I think is colored or clouded by your own issues.. Such as you think only brown members of british government gets hassled at U.S. ports of entry and airports... Newsflash dude, we ALL are getting hassled that way and we all are getting damned sick and tired of it.. But the paranoia surrounding that does not have anything to do with you or me specifically... And in any case, I think LiberalINmoderation@72 gave a decent response to your post overall.
I am going to say two things and then let this go though. 1. This business with Prescott Bush is one of the reasons I detest and dispise the entire Bush clan, those little facts you throw out there are not unknown over here, and is part of the larger backstory to the festering problems that 'we' Americans who do give a damn are trying to deal with. Frankly impeachment is the intial step in dealing with what you somewhat santimoniously tout as our shortcomings... And I ain't denying the shortcomings, but some of us are trying to use the existing system to address and correct it because the alernative is callapse, which might please you, I don't know, but it won't fix anything for America or us citizens nor the larger world to see us to fall into anarchy...
And the idea that George W. Bush would be the trigger for this, makes me angry to the point of wanting to take actions and say things which I should not advocate on a blog nor take as action if I want to remain free of prison.
2. While it's absolutely true that you and France were grappling with Nazism in the 30's and early 40's, saying that we got in 'halfway thru' is both a stretch and conveniently ignores the facts I alluded to in my original post as well as other facts embarassing to England. Without going into some litiny of historical perspectives, I will say you people in the British Islands could not have withstood Hitlers blitz and near certain invasion which would have happened no later that the summer/fall of 42 had we immoral bastards from America not engaged in such assistance as the lend lease act as well as a lot of our private citizens ignoring the isolationists here at the time to come over and fight and die alongside you people flying with the RAF and fighting at Dunkirk and bringing you needed supplies via the merchant marines and all the rest of it prior to entering officially. And there would not have been any end by 45 had we not come along and helped your nation out when we did be that 1941 or earlier like say 1938...But then Neville Chamberlain wasn't actively looking for our help then... That took Winston Churchill
and events of 1939/40/41 to get that ball rolling.
Finally, don't lump me in with those college preppy assholes who do give my nation a bad name thru their ignorance and egotitical behaviors just because I have the temerity of bringing up the reality of WWII history... I know Presscott Bush backed Hitler and I know GM was making money on that war and it wasn't right. That has always pissed me off! I also know the Bristish colonialism of the 18th and 19th century is also part of the backstory of why a lot of shit including WWI and WWII happened and why this whole world has devolved into the shithole of hate and discontent it is now in the early 21st century... But I am not going beat you over the head with the transgressions of the Queen Mums ancestors actions trying to preserve the British empire during that period of world history.
Frankly, instead of you and me pissing at each other over who is more right or more wrong about shit that happened before either of us were born, I think LiberalINmoderations request that you offer up an idea along with your American ball busting is better way to go, if you have any to offer.... OK, I think I'm done with this thread. You can respond or not, but there are bigger problems for me to worry about than whether or not some british citizen or maybe government flunky, (not really sure where you are from) has some freaking problem with my country.. I got a problem with it too and I'm the one who has to deal with it... You? Well, you can do whatever the hell you want mister, go travel where ever or pack your anti-American snark
in your suitcase and go on back home... I don't care either way...JD
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