Carson Daly to be First to Defy Writers Strike
By Bill W. Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 1:52pm
(AP) — NBC's "Last Call with Carson Daly" is about to become the first late-night talk show to defy the writers strike and resume production. ...(read on)
That's just so not cool. Get to know some of the writers who Carson Daly is planning on dissing in this mini-documentary Who’s On The Line by Peter Hyoguchi, and if you want to know what this writer's strike is all about summed up nicely, check out the video Voices of Uncertainty from the "good guys at United Hollywood."
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I always knew Carson Daly was an ass.
i doubt it was his call. but, yeah, he's still an ass
I always wondered why this guy's show wasn't even REMOTELY FUNNY.
Fans of My Name is Earl might recall that the title character learned the concept of karma from a Carson Daly interview on TV. I wonder what karma has in store for Daly now. The motherfucker.
Carson clearly has no talent -- those who have it know the value of good writing and support the strike. He always seemed like a glib jerk. He's done nothing to help himself here.
"i doubt it was his call. but, yeah, he’s still an ass"
Everyone has a choice. Carson could just NOT do it.
If he gets fired, hey - everybody wins!
My favorite Carson Daly media/pop culture moment is when the Kingpin orders a hit on Daly in Ultimate Spiderman
I'm not too upset about this. I'm sick to death of this strike which has put many low-paid people out of work (script people, camera, lights, etc). They won't be getting any added benefit from this strike -- they're just out of work. At Christmastime. Carson is not a member of the WGA so he's not crossing any picket lines.
I have no doubt that the writers are very nice, and talented people. But their winning personalities doesn't help put food on the table.
Don't make excuses for him, Blaed. If he said he wasn't going to work, there is no show...PERIOD. And they can't fire him for that. Of course, this is the BUSH Labor Department we're talking about...so.....
Where is he drawing the scabs from? Will he be employing offshore labor?
Carson who?......yawn...
This is important because all other talk shows get their cues from Carson Daily.
The strike has been anticipated for at least six months. Those who work in the industry had time to prepare. A stand needs to be made if you're a writer. No more being treated like schmucks.
As a writer on strike, it is quite upsetting that Daly has decided to return. I have friends who write on the show and they are very angry that he is going back to work. This move smells like representation advice. Daly's career is stalled. He was hot at MTV and now he is in late night wasteland. The show he had hoped to take over, Conan, has been given to Jimmy Falon. The only way Daly can save himself is to bend over for the networks when they need it most. So, he chooses to cross the line. He will be shocked to discover when the strike is over, that he is worse off than before. He will be tossed aside like an old rag. The only difference is that the old rag is actually useful.
Scab.
Daly isn't a member of the writer's guild any way, so he doesn't really care. I see it as a lack of solidarity on his part, but honestly, does any one even watch his show? I saw it once, and he does a very bad job hosting. It reminded me of high school kids on the public access channel. Had Conan or DL done this, that would be a bigger story. I was surprised to hear that Ellen has been doing her shows
I would like to feel bad for the television writers. After all, let's have working class solidarity. But part of me resists sympathy for the group of people who are responsible for the crap on television. All right, all right - it's the producers who are most responsible. But the writers aren't entirely blameless - TV junk is their work product.
The worst part of doing laundry in a commercial laundromat is having to listen to laugh track comedies on the TV. How I'd love to punish the people responsible for that! And here they are, on strike. I don't want to say I hope they starve, but there it is. I try to be sympathetic, but it's not working.
Here's a link to a blog has good interviews with a couple of striking writers. (Scroll down to the 4th and 5th articles.)
http://www.uclaextensionwritersprogram.blogspot.com/
Who is Carson Daly? I never heard of him.
I'll be writing a complaint letter to my cable company saying the unwholesome entertainment provided by Carson Daly isn't fit for human consumption. Plus his mother made him ugly.
Who's Carson Daley?
No, seriously. I've never heard of the guy before and I don't exactly live in a cave.
Carson Daly's a punk bitch. I'm sick of him getting to host News Years Eve specials. His show sucks. Poor Conan busts his ass and has this douchebag following him
look .... this is simple. its about money, and the decline of organized labor. I am happy that these people are on strike, finally i can get a decent table in Burbank, or Toulca Lake or Studio City to eat. The Union is full of crap, so are the studios, people please realize that this strike is not a real strike of real workers. The picket from 9 to 5, have set hours like they are going to a job, heck union jack asses, you should be there all night like the Teamsters, or UAW, or any other union that fights for what they believe in. Also I saw the documentary, and please i have seen the cars parked there by Disney in Burbank, BMW 5 series, a few saabs, a ford f150 truck (4X4), so these guys are not hurting at all. to me blow up all of hollywood and start over ... also remember their jobs can be outsourced to India quite easily....
Why does that dork even have a job in TV in the first place? I don't know who hired him at MTV, but that was ridiculous. And NBC????????????????????? WTF? Content just keeps drying up and this content free yahoo wants to do without WRITERS?
jr @ 21:
I can't stand his face poping up on New Years.
He's not funny he has no class and he's not cool.
Why the hell do they have him on tv?
O Man @ 22:
If you look at yourself in the mirror you will see the reason why organized labor tanked in this country.
CD @ 24:
He was a lame tool all the way back to his KROQ days... I guess he must have slept with someone at some point....
TV writers produce more pollution in the mental ecosystem than politicians. That says a lot!
To put it frankly, fuck Carson Daly. Anyone with 100 or more IQ points knows that he's the worst interviewer on television. This is what happens when your agent is telling you that you have to keep your name out there or people will forget how badly you want a better job in television.
Daly was able to matriculate a job at MTV into a terrible late night talk show that nobody sentient cares about. This won't affect the strike one iota.
I support unions.
I dont support the writers.
This is about people becoming wealthy through a transfer of wealth from the working class. This is about overcharging - beyond costs - for products. The real victims here are not the writers. The real victims are the public and the working class.
Any additional revenues derived from the internet should result in a lowering of pricing to the public. It will not however. It is now a gold rush that the writers are desparate to join.
By doing this they demonstrate that they are not with the working class and choose to be with the oligarchy at the expense of the working class.
Shame on them.
Carson Daly is irrelevant.
carson daly, psst, you have a studio executive's pubic hair on your chin...
fuck the neoliberal bent to american conventional wisdom---collective bargaining and unions are VITAL to the country. and those that decide to put personal profit, or corporate desires, before allegiance to their brethren deserve the obscurity that they will one day suffer.
those that poo-poo the writer's strike b/c they will miss some of their favorite TV shows should maybe find a good book to read instead. the writers were being screwed. and, i for one, support them in their efforts to be able to make a decent living off the material that they help create. i will miss some of my shows, but i'm a big boy, i can deal. i watch too much TV anyway.
What is now....64, 65? The little scab....
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 20:
You could try Googling "Carson Daley." There might be some information on him.
turn off your damn tv and stop watching the crap anyway.
it's a none issue.
ronpaulftw @ 33:
TV == bad
That's today's nugget of wisdom right there. Tip - frequent laundromats with predominantly non-English speaking clientele. TV is far less irritating when you can't understand what's being said. If you're bilingual or trilingual, well, you're kind of screwed.
If anyone else stabbed their writers in the back like that it would be a bigger deal. But it's Carson Daly. Wake me up when someone with a show that people actually watch punks out like that. Carson Daly's so unimportant that the WGA ought to completely ignore this turn of events. Don't even acknowledge it, kind of like how TV viewers treat Carson Daly's crap show.
the most shocking revelation from this story has to be that daly actually has writers.
There's more jobs on the line than just the writers. I don't envy producers who have to make the choice between supporting the writers or laying off everyone else.
Charles @ 37:
they should join in with the writers
conquer-and-divide has been an effective strategy for the elite, why play into their hands?
Carson Daly = scumbag
Dr. Who @ 26:
I get the feeling no one really likes him.
Check out how short his wikipedia entry is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Daly
phayce @ 32:
No kidding? Duhhhh I ain't never heard of no google befor. /snark
Obviously (to most) I don't give a shit.
Vman @ 17:
Thanks for that. I really liked the Steven Wolfson comments.
Shame on Carson D.
Never heard of him. But he's still an asshole.
I think tucker carlson has more viewers than that assclown carson daly.
On the upside for Daly, when his GE show is cancelled, this almost guarantees him the slot following Glenn Beck on HLN. Then he can shill for corporate from a tenured post to the shuffling thousands flipping past.
msnbc just said that Carson Daly isn't the first show (he will be the first late night show) to go back into production.
Ellen Degeneres sucks too.
derpallardie @ 36:
The writers for that show should be in hiding, not on strike. I think this should be filed in the "who gives a fuck" category. Come on C&L, fuel is avg. $3.44 a gallon and this is the best topic you could come up with? What do you think would happen if all the truck drivers in this country went on strike? Sure as fuck would hurt the economy more than these writers going on strike would.
You can kind of see Daly's reasoning. He's already a nobody to 99% of the population. If he doesn't keep his face out there the other 1% will forget who he is and there goes is "career".
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Union Buster! Scab! Shame on you...
not a surprise.
does anyone watch this tool anyway?
Call Carson what he is. A scab.
Join your union. Support your union. Period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KO90EdKB-g
O Man @ 22:
I'll go tell my 2002 Nissan Altima that I'm a rich writer. Sorry for trying to continue my moderate living. And yes, I am a working writer. Have been making my living at it for 8 years. I also don't quite understand your glee at local restaurants losing business. Strange position to take.
Just so you know, we are a union. We are fighting a corporation against rollbacks. But you obviously need to think something else.
HelloooooOOOOooo!?! Um...could this be more of a non-issue?
My apologies to the writers on strike out there, I agree with the strike, but really? Carson fucking Daly?!? Who gives a fuck about anything he does?
I can honestly say that I saw him once on the tee vee machine. once. :lol:
I used to watch Carson nightly, but that was a long time ago.
This surprises anyone?
This guy was a shill on MTV promoting Britney Spears and other talentless crap way before he got his TV show gig.
Is it any wonder the guy has no honor, let alone, talent?
Love your site...but disappointed by the 1 sided approach to the writers strike. What is continually left out of the equation when reporting on the strike are the vastly greater number of "below the line" industry players who's lives are being torn apart by this strike. When the writers site their income statistics they claim the median income of all writers - working or not - to get their $90k average per year. The annual average income of a working writer is $200k per year. What's more, the writers of a show are commonly also the producers, and more importantly the executive producers and show runners of the show. Which means they have a separate deal for fees far beyond that of the writers, sometimes to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. It may sound like common sense that writers are artists deserving the better part of the profits generated by their creative efforts the way we wish musical artists were treated by their industry. But the fact is it's not scripts that are being sold on the internet, nor displayed on television. It is a many-staged collaboration between hundreds of creative persons and technicians alike. While the writers hierarchy want you to read this as David vs. Goliath, it's really a lot of fat cats fighting over the whole pie while the cooks are left with the scraps. The writers would like the rest of the industry to believe that their struggle is strengthening all industry unions, when in fact they are sealing the door on any possibility of other unions striking or seriously negotiating for better standards for years to come as their strike breaks the back of not only the hollywood industry but potentially the economy at large. What the rest of us in the industry can expect as a result is the continued decline of reasonable working conditions and hours as technology continues to allow these very same executive writers/show runners to squeeze more from us for less. What a joke. Pity them not!
Does he do Canrak the Magnificent?
It figures that a no talent weasel from my generation will be the first traitor.
I'm not seeing a lot of coverage about the writers strike, but isn't it mostly about increasing their cut on dvd sales from 4 cents to eight?
Vexed @ 50:
Scab sandwich
Skin on top
Monkey vomit
Camel snot
Two eyeballs dipped in glue
Scab sandwich, you want one too?
Reciting this as a kid built my love for poetry.
ugh. what a shill. i can't believe this guy has a show in the first place. no personality, just a dead-eyed dull fratboy persona and years selling soul-sucking vapidity as the host of 'TRL' in the era when MTV made its shift from some music to no-music 'lifestyle brand' emptycasting. abhorrent.
Dr. Who @ 25:
Sorry to tell you that i can look in the mirror without a problem since i was a former teamster, and organized labor tanked cause we have people that dont know how to run a union, and once you get past the shop steward the higher ups only care for themselves. Also i dont take glee from resturants losing business, i am happy that i can get a table. that is all i said. writers need to realize that they aren't working class, that they decided in college to become writers, and not follow other means of making money, like getting an MBA, or a masters in chemistry (like yours truly did.)..... heck your union doesnt protect animation writers so some union...
O Man @ 65:
Sorry to tell you that i can look in the mirror without a problem since i was a former teamster, and organized labor tanked cause we have people that dont know how to run a union, and once you get past the shop steward the higher ups only care for themselves. Also i dont take glee from resturants losing business, i am happy that i can get a table. that is all i said. writers need to realize that they aren't working class, that they decided in college to become writers, and not follow other means of making money, like getting an MBA, or a masters in chemistry (like yours truly did.)..... heck your union doesnt protect animation writers so some union...
Right, we don't protect Animation writers because the IATSE is in the hands of the studios and undermines every effort to bring animation writers into the guild. But we have done so with several animated shows. The Simpsons, Family Guy. So, you are wrong and clearly don't know what you are talking about.
I'll actually realize I'm not working class when I make some decent money, until then, I'll go by my bank account. Sorry I didn't follow a path in life that would have bored me to death, instead I chose something I actually enjoy. And really, the fact that we didn't choose a "means" of making money that someone like you approves of is okay by me. Also, I have a BS in Environmental Science. And I'm a writer. Go figure.
OT: Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT.
His scabbin' is an overt signal.
Lacking talent may be CD's forte', but it's his deference to union busting he's now putting on his resume'. His show may (likely) fail, but his seat at teh Master's table is having the cushions fluffed.
DA in LA @ 66:
Right, we don't protect Animation writers because the IATSE is in the hands of the studios and undermines every effort to bring animation writers into the guild. But we have done so with several animated shows. The Simpsons, Family Guy. So, you are wrong and clearly don't know what you are talking about.
I'll actually realize I'm not working class when I make some decent money, until then, I'll go by my bank account. Sorry I didn't follow a path in life that would have bored me to death, instead I chose something I actually enjoy. And really, the fact that we didn't choose a "means" of making money that someone like you approves of is okay by me. Also, I have a BS in Environmental Science. And I'm a writer. Go figure.
no wonder your a writer.... only a bs ...
heretic @ 59:
heretic ... can you post links to your numbers since no one will believe you at all ....
heretic @ 59:
Hey, you picked the studios numbers to show our salaries! Nice work. Totally false and misleading.
As far as the rest of your point. To take the studios deal would be to accept a pay cut, plain and simple. I'd rather not.
But, hey, it is all the writer's fault for asking for what they deserve (by precedent) and not the studios for attempting rollbacks. Taking a job in a very unstable industry is not the best idea if you want to make a consistent living, but that is something we writers know, since we struggled for years before our careers took off.
A common saying of writers during the strike is: "I've eaten Top Ramen before and I can eat it again."
The "below the line" people keep saying this" "I've got a house payment and Christmas gifts to buy"
heretic @ 59:
The sale of a $20 dvd = $.04 to the writer.
Internet distribution = $0.00 to the writer.
That is what the strike is about. The studios make a bucket load of money off of DVDs and eventually will make lots of money off of Internet distribution. The writers deserve a piece of that. How much money they make now is irrelevant. They are planning for the future. You want to blame anyone, blame the studios. They are the ones who don't want to pay the writers.
I'd rather watch reruns of the Daily Show than Daley's show.
I'm sure all three of his viewers are elated.
Well, to date, THIS will be THE only thing anyone remembers of CD! Attention getter, cancel! Go dark, who's gonna miss it!
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 20:
Don't feel bad, I've never heard of him either.
Post your own numbers...
DL says:
A common saying of writers during the strike is: “I’ve eaten Top Ramen before and I can eat it again.”
The “below the line” people keep saying this” “I’ve got a house payment and Christmas gifts to buy”
Well DL I guess losing a house is a small thing to you. Funny that I know plenty of writers disappointed by the strike who have lamented the same thing. Clearly you are not losing your house, so you can continue your self-righteous ranting. What's more I doubt you even had a writer's job to lose. The majority of writers in the guild are unemployed already and had nothing to lose by voting for this strike. Poor leadership caused this, not brains or balls. Get over yourself, this isn't a revolution. I hope you get to eat ramen, I did that once too...it sucked. Meanwhile, I hope my writer friends and other industry friends can keep their homes. If your efforts were deemed as necessary and righteous then everyone knows the teamsters would be striking with you and refusing to cross the line - they are not because they have house payments, Christmas gifts to buy and...common sense.
To say writers aren't getting paid for "internet distribution" is misleading. They are paid for downloaded programs (e.g. CSI purchased from ITunes). The issue on the table is whether they should be paid for STREAMING (e.g. a repeat of CSI on CBS's website).
I agree with Heretic, it's disappointing to see the one sided slant here. I don't begrudge the writers for asking for more (everyone does), but remember that their action has caused a lot of below the line workers to be laid off. When a show shuts down, it's not just the writers who don't get paid, it's the entire crew--people who don't make anywhere near the kind of money the show's writing staff does. I wonder if the Teamsters (many of the btl folks) had struck, if the writers would be supporting them in the same way. I seriously doubt it.
People always laugh whenever I say I haven't had cable since MTV was all music.
LAGirl @ 78:
The truth of the matter is we really dont know what both sides want, and we have a sancho of a mayor in LA that is ineffective as bush, a governor that doesn't want to get involved due to the fact that he worked in the cesspool of hollywierd.....
You'd think the guy who invented karma would be more sensitive to its effects...
Oh no! Next Carrot-top will cross...
I applaud Carson Daly for this. Just because a group gets together and says 'No one can do this until we get what we want' doesn't mean everyone has to comply. I hope more shows follow suit.
Carson Daly steals jokes.
My friend sent in material for a monologue involving a barber shop quartet singing the explaination behind monologue jokes- and was rejected. No payment, no thanks.
A few months later they start using that as a recurring bit.
F-ck Carson Daly. He steals or his writers steal. either way its not right.
O Man @ 80:
"Sancho"? May I be the first to invite you to have sex with yourself. "Cesspool of hollywierd"? Geesh...
LAGirl @ 78:
Strikes always hurt people besides the ones striking... I'm not sure what your point is. The writers shouldn't strike because other people might get hurt? You could say that about every industry. Auto workers shouldn't strike because parts manufacturers will be hurt etc.
Old Billy @ 84:
maybe sancho is the wrong word, cheater and liar would be better, and complete buffon ...
heretic @ 77:
Indeed, I am unemployed. That is the category you fall into when you turn in a pilot the day before the strike starts. Sort of the nature of the beast. Not hard to figure out if you have some sort of analytic ability.
The majority of writers who voted for the strike are employed. Only 5,000 members voted, the rest are not interested, because they don't work. As a matter of fact, most "unemployed" writers are upset about the strike - because they can't get work. WGA is not SAG. I have yet to walk the picket line with someone who does not work regularly. But, you would know better, because you are not a writer.
Many teamsters are not crossing the picket line. Several have been fired. You do a huge disservice to their sacrifice to state otherwise.
LAGirl @ 78:
This is false. Writers do not get paid for "internet distribution." The networks decided they would pay us the VHS amount - an introductory amount agreed to in 1988 that was supposed to be revisited. It never was. When the networks said they would pay that amount, the Guild immediately asked for arbitration. That has not occurred.
You are spinning. The facts are against you.
No, we probably wouldn't have supported the teamsters. But now we will. See how that works?
heretic @ 59:
If any union in the industry goes on strike, other lower paid people will have their lives screwed up by it. So what you are basically saying is that nobody should go on strike unless they meet your income test to make sure they are poor and exploited enough to qualify for union status? To follow your logic is to create a circular firing squad. Why don't you blame the highly paid studios for allowing this strike to happen? Oh yea. . . because you don't get it. .. .
Wait a minute! Carson Daly has writers? Then how come he's never ever even a tiny bit funny? I realize its probably hard to make a tool like Carson funny. But geez his show is like watching a general meeting at your local retirement home.
Proving what I've always said, 'Carson Daly is a tool.'
DA in LA @ 13:
DA, if I were a writer on Daly's show I'd stay on strike- even after everyone else settles- until Daly gets canned. And not because he crossed the picket line, eithjer. The guy is incapable of deliverin' a joke.
This was Daly's call, ultimately. As the show's principal, he agreed to return, and thus production called for the writers to return. Had Carson said no, the producers would have been forced to consider other options. So fuck all that 'not his fault' stuff.
He's a pop-joke anyway. Of course he thought of himself and his 'career' before the greater good. Being out of work sucks, yes. But he's Carson fucking Daly.
way to go Carson Daly, I hope this costs you ever viewer you ever had...I have never watched his show, but showing a spineless and selfish he is being I don't think you could get me to ever watch his show. I'm concerned for shows I like too but not so much that I would sell out my fellow Americans (the writers) in favor of the corporate scum that run the networks. I'll return to Lost when I get the chance, but not before they reach an agreeable settlement. That's the American way!
On the funnier side:
http://askaninja.com/writersstrike
if you need laughs tonight the repugs are on tv tonight ...
It was this or gay plot-less porn.
Carson made the right call.
Regarding Ellen - I don't know that she has a writing staff. According to my parents Regis & Kelly have been on the air through the last month because they don't have writers on staff (the lame chit chat they do is their own). The same could be true for Ellen.
Carson Daly clearly couldn't articulate a complete sentence without someone spelling it out for him phonetically and is, as many people have said, a tool.
So Carson is now a scab- a dipsh!t and a scab.
I'm sure the 16 insomniacs who watch his show are thrilled that it will be back on the air. I've never heard of it myself.
The Carson Daly Show SUX, Carson's jokes suck too.
Mr. Anon @ 86:
Strikes always hurt people besides the ones striking... I'm not sure what your point is. The writers shouldn't strike because other people might get hurt? You could say that about every industry. Auto workers shouldn't strike because parts manufacturers will be hurt etc.
The point is, the writers painting themselves as some kind of revolutionary heroes, isn't true. I never said they shouldn't strike, just that this fantasy being spun about them being regular blue collar joe schmo's fighting for truth, justice, and the American way is just that: spin. I'm just reminding people who seem to focus on the poor, put upon writers, that many, many people, who make far less than them are being shown the door b/c of their strike. Collateral damage I guess, but it shouldn't be overlooked. While many are whining about Carson coming back, I'm happy the crew of his show will be able to make their house payments and buy Xmas gifts.
DA in LA @ 89:
Yeah, you didn't give a sh*t about them before. You say you will in the future. We'll see I guess.
LAGirl @ 104:
Interesting. I never said "didn't give a shit about them before." Again, you are spinning and lying. I did say I might not support them before. Big difference. Is this lying thing effective for you?
I'd make a joke but I cant......
F U Carson!
I'll never tune to your show again!
Carson's an idiot, but the only thing worse than his personality is the show's writing. I'm a union guy, but in this case, i think a few scabs might do a better job.
who the fuck cares about it? unless you're a writer of course. But its not like a postal strike or teachers strike or nurses strike where we actually need them.
i just don't care if writers get paid enough. its not worth supporting or being against. so carson do your thang, i've never watched your show and never will.
Barrett D - That attitude is the cause of many of the problems we face in this country. Why should we care if writers are being exploited since they are still making a decent wage and they don't provide a necessary service. Follow that line of thought and there is no wonder why CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses while the average worker's real wages are stagnant (at best). I may not care much for the writers product, but I support them 100% in getting their fair share of the pie. Anyone who stands up to the big corporations and tries to prevent them from sucking the average worker dry gets my kudos (regardless of the industry they work in).
this guy has a show?
Carson who?
ha ha ha h ah ah ahah ha
another union buster fool
move to china carson and join the real union busters
ha ha ha h ah aa
Carson Daly had writers?
I'm sorry, I was with the strike at the beginning but now I'm starting to get tired of it. Don't the writers of all of these shows earn $200,000 or more per year? Can they really whine about this? Are they really starving?
LAGirl @ 78:
Every strike hurts others. That is what management counts on to force strikes to end - or not begin at all. I've been involved in strikes. Not happily, but out of neccessity. Our managment used all manner of tactics to break the strike, turning workers against each other.
Where I work now, management has successfully (and illegally) stopped workers from joining an existing union. Once again, turning people against one another. So we are still taken advantage of without recourse but to leave. I'd rather strike. And if union members of the staff strike, I'll support them. People don't strike without cause.
DRST @ 99:
Is he related to GWBush?
JohnnyBravo @ 114:
No, we don't. Yes, we can. Some don't make much money at all.
I've watched his show a few times and my question is why does he even have a show? If anyone ever needed writers it is Carson Daly. Mediocre show and a scab to boot. Now my impressions of him are confirmed.
It's more than just the writers. There are a lot of people who work within the industry out of work right now because of the strike as well. All manner of below the line workers. Everyone from construction to catering to technicians to all manner of production staff. And the below the line people are often living on a much tighter budget than the writers themselves, and they stand to make nothing more from this strike. They just want to get back to work and earn their normal paycheck.
High profile people like Carson Daly and Ellen Degeneres are pathetic in their craven and self-serving crossing of the strike line.
Daisy Zimmerly @ 117:
My sentiments, exactly! I've only watched a few times when my insomnia kicked in. Believe me when I tell you that lying in bed, staring at the clock is preferable to watching his show.
That's disappointing that he's taken that route, but I've caught his show a few times surfing... I wasn't really impressed with it.
Hopefully it won't have a negative impact on the strike.
MattR @ 110:
I don't really disagree. but in some respects we can let market forces do their thing. (certainly in the entertainment industry) as some skills aren't actually necessary. if it turns out the fat cats will loose less more money with a prolonged strike than by giving their workers their demands then its in their interest to do so. if not well i don't have much sympathy for their workers unless they can't afford to feed their families or something, but i doubt thats the case. great on them if they win but its no tragedy if they don`t.
Son of a scab.
I find a lot of the comments regarding the strike funny. Folks are seemingly either die hard convinced the writers are getting screwed and since they are union we should automatically support their cause and argument... or, they are making better than average to rich level money and should basically shut up.
How many actually know the full facts of both sides of this argument? (I'm guessing extremely few if any, including the representative writers)
I live in Michigan, with a significant portion of my life (the people if my statement isn't clear enough) involved now or at one time in one of the four major unions in my area... UAW, Teamsters, Nurses (can't recall their name) ASCFME
Around here, it was automatic for years... you support the union argument... hands down. Well, that isn't quite the case anymore. While institutionalism destroying creativity and good leadership in the white collar management levels had a lot to do with the disaster that is the U.S. auto industry and our state in general... its also true that the union gained truly amazing (and as current evidence has demonstrated unsustainable) benefits and salaries has also contributed significantly to the swamp our state is sinking further into every day.
My point? The number one annoying item of the last 7 years of this "all conservative all the time" politics was extreme, don't think, just react politics. As we finally being to move back to toward balance (and maybe further than that), must we act just as stupidly? Can't we try and do a little research, study all the facts of both sides, and then take a position... and blast accordingly? Or must we just immediately react "f*** Carson Daly, Ellen, scabs, writers, etc, etc, etc
Honestly folks, its kind of lame.
stfreak @ 123:
Equivocating is kind of lame, too. "Well, there are two extremes, see, and the truth is somewhere in the middle."
Lame. Really lame.
totally unfair doc. strfreak never claimed the answer was in the middle. he merely suggested people should not be reactionary. i think you proved his point actually.
Barrett D @ 125:
Wow, I proved his point. I didn't just give him reason to believe he might be right. I proved him right.
sorry for being so reactionary.
I've always detested this smarmy prick. To me he represents the 180 degree shift of MTV from cool to incredibly lame. He gets a lot of credit for turning that organization around. Then he did a horrifying latenight show. The he jumped on the web 2.0 bandwagon and launched community site called Carson.tv, which has turned into a crappy domain registrar for the .tv tld
But back to the crappy latenight show for which he broke the strike. Carson, NOBODY watches your show unless they can't sleep, you retard. Who do you think you are, Conan O'brien????
Please sign the petition and Exile Carson Daly to the Arctic Now!
BD, I'm sorry for seeming snippy. It's just that I grew up in a non-union household where I was told unions were a bad thing, but I've since belonged to a few unions (in news media, mostly) and they seem just fine with me. In fact, I believe workers absolutely need unions to counterbalance the otherwise overwhelming power of employers. That's all.
True Colors: Scab.
Here I was worried about Darfur, Global Warming and the Constitution. Boy were my priorities messed up; glad we can focus on the real issues.
The worst sob story they could find is a guy who only gets $2000 here, $15,000 there for a script, and had to have his family live with his mom for a while, but not anymore? Another guy who's like, "I don't even own a car! I wrote a screen play about my family. Check it out at www.blahblahblah."
Aren't we also forgetting that most TV shows are crap, and that a lot of things on You Tube made entirely by people who make no money at all for it are just as good if not much better? The internet is the future; TV is the past.
This is why people hate unions. And Hollywood for that matter.
He really possesses no visible talent. Lots of like-minded commenters.
DA in LA @ 71:
so ingesting too much top ramen causes television writers to spew such gems as "full house" or "my mother the car"?
stfreak @ 123:
im hoping that he is unable to book any actors or anyone involved in production....fuck daily....he is a hack
send him back to kroq
stfreak @ 123:
do you understand the issues??
are you aware that studios were demanding that writers and actors create for webisodes in which they would not garner extra pay...yet the studios were charging for advertising?
are you aware that when home video came to the market, the writers negotiated with the studios that their percentage would increase as profits did...yet the studios renegged?
are you aware that despite placing advertisements all over their websites, studios to this day state that streaming episodes is done for "promotional" purposes only
are you aware that the studios are now signing exclusive contracts with itunes and other download sites and that none of these monies is to be shared with any of the creators?
are you aware of the massive crackdown on linking sites, google vid, youtube and other sites in regards to first run movies and tv shows? if there is no profit to be made on the net...why should the studios care?
ya...i think we are educated as to the issues in this strike....thanks for asking
chopper @ 118:
the below the line people support the strike for one simple reason....most of them are also union workers, and when it comes time to renegotiate their contracts, they too will be able to ask for compensation for work with the new media
they also know that if the writers fail....it could spell doom for the future of unions in the industry
Carson Daly, career DEAD if he crosses the line.
Good luck getting an omelette without a union supporter spitting in it, Carson.
Btw, I predict this strike will be over by end of next week, probably sooner.
Making Daly's action even more despicable.
Um...Carson Daly crossed the picket line to get his last few checks before the show is canceled. I mean, rather than saying "wow, he crossed the picket line", I was saying "wow...this show is still on?"
Who cares about the Carson Daly show? His writers were going to need to get new jobs after the show is canceled anyway. See this for what it is; a desperate act by a desperate man.
Sorry if my post sounded anti-union, that was not my intent. Simply that from what I've experienced too much 'power' on either side is not a good thing and it seemingly will always be abused. Therefore, I prefer to hear and see the facts of both sides before taking a position.
We or you?
Can you provide the reference, I would be interested in reading them. What are the counterpoints of the studio?
I understood that with the exception of Apple and Netflix, most of the rest are currently operating at a loss (due to the high infrastructure costs associated with setting up a reliable enough service for the public to take interest in using). I thought the general agreement was that in the coming years (anywhere from 2 to 6) its anticipated there will be enough utilization of these services that in fact it will be profitable, potentially very if the public moves more to the use of these services instead of parking in front of the couch for some broadcast TV time.
I had heard about the examples of the studios expecting the writers to participate in building the demand by working for free on 'web episodes' (BSG, Heroes), etc. But from a 'fan' site of BSG I understood that it when it became clear they were expected to do it for free the writers said no and there was nothing contractually to make them do it.
I haven't taken a position on this subject, provided details of both sides claims, that presumably would change. I generally avoid making a decision from the media rhetoric, sort of a conditioned response from growing up in my area.
[Now you are banned, B.A.N.N.E.D. Don't bother writing-Sitemonitor]
That story is indeed sad. I was hoping that the writers would manage to damage their schlockmeister masters a little more before resuming business as usual. The sooner this whole circle-jerk entertainment industry destroys itself, the better for everyone.
There was a horrible scree this morning by John Ridley on the strike. I'd hate to see what the more mainstream media is saying, if anything.
If you have the time, take a listen, and comment.
Wow, this is shocking...Carson Daly still has a TV show?
I don't think his audience will drop off in the ratings because they don't track them into negative numbers. Maybe Carson and Tucker can start a new show on Home Shopping Network where you can buy some cheap dignity made from sweatshops in overseas.
Carson will open up his show with this:
"If you thought I couldn't tell a joke when someone else was writing them, wait until I write them myselves!"
Seriously, this man is an asshat and he admits it openly, much like Conan O'brian, the only difference is well, Conan went to Yale and is hilarious, Carson got famous by winning an MTV reality show and VMA'd their top 10 show for like 5 f*cking years. Hopefully this finally gets his talentless, hack-ass off TV period.
Arnold Schwarzenegger and the scab Carson must be good friends.
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