Giuliani's personal scandals take a turn for the worse
By Steve Benen Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 9:25pm
So far, Rudy Giuliani’s scandalous personal life has been largely ignored by major media outlets. One of these days, that’s going to change, and today may be the day.
Giuliani is the first thrice-married serial adulterer to ever even run for president, a fact that most reporters have ignored entirely. When the Village Voice reported a few months ago that Giuliani kept his emergency command center in 7 World Trade Center, in part so he could maintain a convenient love nest for his extra-marital affairs, the media, once again, yawned.
OK, but how about this one?
As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.
The documents, obtained by Politico under New York’s Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants.
I realize the common-sense rules and norms don’t apply to Republican presidential candidates, but a story like this one could, and very well may, end Giuliani’s presidential campaign.
Even if one is inclined to ignore the character questions surrounding Giuliani’s shameless and repeated adultery, the scandal here goes much further, including financial irregularities, misuse of official city resources, and an attempt to conceal the mayor’s conduct.
A Giuliani campaign spokesperson declined to comment on any aspect of the story, including the travel documents or the billing arrangements. It’s just as well. Some things are just un-spinnable.
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dan @ 1:
yawn. did you say something?
he denied it when brought up in youtube debate, but the teflon is starting to chip away. I hope.
As a New York City resident I can't stand this liar and a phony.
how is this worse than the ties to terror figures??
New Yorkers paid for Judith's tiara! I knew it!
It's certainly unspinnable but it's also ignorable.
CNN refuses to discuss it during its post-debate analysis.
Expect a total media blackout.
Did his wife call him during the debate?
Can someone please explain to me how this guy is still in the race. Mob ties, terrorist ties, and just plain ordinary corruption. WTF...
Lakeguy @ 9:
He is so horrible it seems obvious that he will be our next appointed President.
*breathe deep* I love the smell of napalm in the evening. Crash and Burn Giuliani, I'm waiting to take pics of the wreckage, ya scum sucking bastard!
Man, I feel good tonight. Its like Christmas came early this year; the most truly worrying candidate is Hillary Clinton, and frankly, she's more of a *groan" than an "oh shit my country will die if she's president". Still pulling for Kucinich or Dodd though. C'mon guys, crank it up a notch!
JJohnson @ 11:
Pardon my excitement, but i watched some of the debate until i could take the candidates and the audience no more. How did we end up like this?
At least Bill Clinton didn't stick us with Monica Lewinsky's dry-cleaning bill.
-GSD
All of his glaring problems aside, the biggest issue Guiliani and his GOP running partners have is the stark fact that they are Republicans.
disgusting. really. i wonder if he and that skank that he is married to killed a few shelter dogs while they were at it. as long as there was money to be made, it is apparently OK to "adopt" shelter animals under false pretenses and kill them after demonstrating medical devices on them. as long as you get the sale, its all good. or am i missing something?
Ahh Ha!
November 28, 2007
A distinguished alumna will pay tribute to the National Journalism Center tonight, when Ann Coulter headlines the center's 30th anniversary dinner.
Miss Coulter is far from the only prominent writer trained at NJC, which was founded in 1977 by conservative author M. Stanton Evans.
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071128/CULTURE/111280027/1015
Rudy, the terror candidate is now literal. What a buffoon. He actually abetted terrorists. Bye bye rudy...
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
Wow. What a list of luminaries that are alumni. Thats pretty sad twenty something years to produce mAnn Coultergiest and a smattering of wingnut spinners. Might be one of the most worthless degrees I've seen to date.
moondancer @ 18:
Yip a 12 week course and your ready to be an official wing nut "journalist".
No no no! Don't bring up Giuliani's peccadilloes.
Not until he's got the Republican nomination.
(Contrary to popular belief, a peccadillo is not a cross between a peccary and an armadillo. It is, in fact, a small iced cake exchanged by Highland Scots families on Hogmanay. Not eaten, just exchanged, year after year. Some ornately silver-chased peccadilloes date back to the time of James VI, and are family heirlooms. I just thought you'd like to know.)
If Benito tanks because of his serial scandals, maybe we have the good fortune to have snake handler Huckleberry. He's a gold mine of stupid comments.
Giuliani used his position of power to help facilitate his adultery.
I remember when this was considered to be a bad thing.
If the Dems can just shut up they'll win.
wont matte a damn bit to rethug voters
He's Toast politically and I'll say it again because by the time the KeriK trial hits the front pages there's going to be so much damaging stuff on one of most crooked politicians around , he can go back to profiting from the occupation .
Mob connected KeriK , payments paid under table , undocumented worker , Giuliani locating the Emergency Response Center at the WTC and the guy he says recommended him to do so , calls him a " liar" on a Brasschecktv.com documentary . He claims Giuliani wanted it because it was with in " walking distance " to City Hall , only a degenerate politician would do that and now according to Politico got his boot knocking protecting paid for by the City .
The best question was didn't this come out EARLIER, well I 'll tell you why because CNN was quick to pick up the politico investigation , but didn't do a damn thing investigating the manufactured " 9/11 hero" , instead they echoed the same misleading , hyperbole Rudy was some kind of " hero " , they sat on their collective asses and did NOTHING but talk about damn polls, polls , polls . But when you hear AIPAC BLITZER call FRED THOMPSON " Charismatic " maybe we are expecting too much .
If anti Giuliani forces hope to destroy his campaign based on sex scandals they are gonna be deeply disappointed. Republicans tried to destroy Bill Clinton by exposoing a sex scandal. After his impeachment Clinton enjoyed a 70% approval rating. This is the 21st Century. Ya cant get folks to reject a politician by proving he likes pussy.
"you're my hero!"-Chris Matthews, Mike Allen, and Chuck Todd signing Bette Midler to Rudy
I don't see any reason why the media won't be yawning over this as they have the other scandals. This is the guy they want - and remember - they do the picking - not us.
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OxyCon @ 22:
And it says so much about his character - it would have a real impact on his candidacy. It's a shame the media are complicit in hiding his crimes from the general populace.
They suck.
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Absolute worst case scenario - Hillary vs Rudy - you can bet she is not going to let something like this slide. Of course, if that is what we are faced with in '08, I'm moving to Amsterdam and spending the rest of my days in blissful political ignorance.
"a story like this one could, and very well may, end Giuliani’s presidential campaign"
I really thought you guys were a little brighter than that. Need I remind you that the current resident of the white house used to do blow off of hookers asses at Camp David? That's back in the good ole days when Poppy could fund whole wars with drug money and illegal arms sales to our enemies (Iran), could bail his loser sons out of hundred billion dollar felonies (Silverado) and let his other loser sons (chimpy and jebby) have drug and hooker parties at Camp David. One of those washed up, half witted drug fiends eventually convinced less than half the country that he wouldn't fuck it up too badly.
That piece of draft dodging excrement beat TWO Vietnam veterans. The half man half machine that is his vice president was convicted of TWO DWI's, dropped out (was kicked out) of Yale and dodged the draft 5 times. That "thing" actually shot a man in the face and then went back to the ranch for drinks.
So when you tell me a thrice married serial adulterer with ties to the mob has misappropriated tens of thousands of dollars from the city of New York so he could tap some strange in the Hamptons, I don't see the issue. These "people" are pigs. This is what they do. They steal, lie, cheat, murder and know that Americans are too stupid to give a shit.
He's not going to become President 911, but he's not going to lose his parties nomination over something so relatively trivial as this.
I'm exposed to corporate/private aircraft (and their owners) every day. These folks have real money--aviation ain't cheap. And the real money in the Republican party is squarely behind Rudy. Lock, stock, and barrel. They won't like seeing their little investment tank, hence the media blackout on Rudy's many character flaws. Rudy will be the Republican nominee, guaranteed. No matter how much crap is uncovered, the MSM will give him a pass.
#31:
very well said indeed.
Oh....and watch for more bigwigs in the Religious Right to endorse Rudy, ala Pat Robertson. The boys with the money will twist arms and knock skulls, and make their brethren see the light. They absolutely will not allow them to put forth a "none of the above" candidate.
Guaranteed.
Sounds well qualified to be the next Republican pResidential candidate.
on new years eve...only four months after sept 11....rudy showed up on national tv at midnight with judith...and not all that much time had lapsed since President Clinton had left office. I was just taken back by Rudy Guilliani...live from downtown New York, making his mayoral appearance at midnight or New Years festivities with his girl friend. He had children, his divorce was not final and all of the television stations were reporting that he was with his long time girlfriend judith nathan. And somehow since it was a republican it was OK. I was so upset and so taken back by this. It was the most horrific time maybe in the history of New York, people were desperately trying to find their loved ones, trying to remember them. And on national tv...Rudy was dissing his children...dissing his wife...in the most important New Years Eve ever...certainly in the history of New York. I remember thinking I wonder if his family is OK...dealing with this jerk...as their father makes a complete DICK of himself on national television.....
so go to hell rudy...for having the heart the size of a prune.....
You'se guys is just racist. Cant stand seein' a Italian in the Oval Office huh? Pricks.
Any candidate that wants to beat rudy needs to pull his midnight at timesquare footage with his girlfiend. only months after 911..amazingly...it is all documented, while he is still married with children...at a time when everyone turned on the timesquare new years celebration for direction..a time we all needed hope. It is what our family did. It was only a few months after september 11. It was historic in proprotion to things in our lifetime. And what did we find. The mayor of NEWYORK was a cheat. A cheat to his wife and a cheat to his KIDS. What a disgrace of a man. Any real man with his power and ability to maybe change and he was hanging out at midnight in front of millions with another woman. And after all of the shit the media gave to Clinton...this some how...someway.. was KOSHER. I will never vote for rudy for his insensivitivy to his family on this night. He should have been with his family. His children. My god. It was the first new years after 911.
Lakeguy @ 9:
THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY.
(also known currently as Bushco)
EyeTye @ 37:
Shove your bs back where it belongs.
Would vote for President PELOSI in a second.
the first new years in new york after 911 was a big night. The world was needing a jimmy stewart moment....leader... and not rudy... he was cheating in public...which I guess was normal for him...
in the spirit of the holidays.. and jimmy stewart...
say no to rudy...
go to hell rudy...
Tommy @ 32 "They won't like seeing their little investment tank, hence the media blackout on Rudy's many character flaws. Rudy will be the Republican nominee, guaranteed."
He'll never win the primaries, and he WON'T win at the Convention (where btw they still remember Rudy the pro-gay/crossdressing/anti gun rights/pro abotion NY liberal).
He's a fake candidate who can only win by massive vote-fraud.
And it doesn't matter if the 'media' covers this -- he's heading for a Grand Jury, and will NOT be the R candidate in 2008.
"I realize the common-sense rules and norms don’t apply to Republican presidential candidates..."
Corrrect. They aren't normal and they don't have common sense.
Goseph Gerbils @ 20 "It is, in fact, a small iced cake exchanged by Highland Scots families on Hogmanay."
That's clever, but the word peccadillo is of course a "little sin." So it's a Christian pun in the pastry case, but otherwise it's just a SPANISH diminutive of pecado, sin.
I didn't know there were a great number of Spanish Highland Scots. No doubt it was imported via Catholicism, and Mary, who no doubt laughted as she gorged on pastries.
mrogi @ 26:
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
Paul @ #43:
The money wants Rudy, and the money will get Rudy. He could put on another skirt tomorrow, and he'll still be the Republican nominee.
It looks like they are trying to bury it. Even the NYT does not make it a front page story and seems to be poo-pooing whether it broke rules or not. It is not even on the main web page-you have to dig into politics to find it. Similarly, buried in politics on Yahoo and there only the AP Rudy denial. Not on the WaPo front page at all-there is just a pic of CLinton and some editorials linked to it about how politicians erotic life should be taken of the front pages. Sheesh! We have to keep pushing from left blogistan I guess!
The Party's Over, it's time to call it a day.
They've burst your pretty balloon and taken the moon away.
It's time to wind up the masquerade.
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid.
The Party's Over.The candles ficker and dim.
You danced and dreamed through the night,
it seemed to be right just being with him.
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end.
Take off your make up, The Party's Over.
It's all over, my friend.
Mitt has no where to go but up.
The only thing good about Hilary winning the Dem nomination is that she (and her campaign staff) have similar sleazy tactics as Rudy and have the ability to take douche bag Rudy on. It will be a heavyweight brawl. I can't think of anything more depressing for this country than 4 years of Rudy after 8 years of the corrupt Bush regime.
Tommy @ 47 "The money wants Rudy, and the money will get Rudy."
You overrate the power of the Federalist Society.
Most of the R party is looking at the dirt the FS has dealt them, and looking to make other arrangements.
i don't understand this
weren't the republicans going for clinton's carcass when he was caught out committing adultery?
so why should giuliani - or any other candidate be forgiven for committing the same sin???
if impeachement was good enough for clinton - it's good enough for giuliani!
and if he organised things so he could be closer to lovenests - then he has sinned 100 times worse than clinton ever did!
Mr Starr - your services are going to be in need again if Giuliani is elected president!!!
The Times has picked up the story. Shouldn't be long, or will it, before we see real coverage in the U.S. MSM?
abarts @ 6:
I don't know if they paid for her tiara, but it appears that they paid for her pearl necklace. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Pardon my excitement, but i watched some of the debate until i could take the candidates and the audience no more. How did we end up like this?
Many many many factors all working together unfortunately. Some of them our fault; some of them not.
Problems ranging from poor education standards, a complicit media, and politicians who ceased to stand for much of anything...
To our own faults as liberals; unfortunately.
The American liberal movement made some serious missteps, some even before I was born (I'm 24 now).
Over-emphasis on Gun Control I think is one of the biggest things. I'm not a fan of just anyone owning a firearm - but I do think we overstepped ourselves way too quickly with that. This has always been an armed country, partly due to its history as a largely frontier nation. It definitely makes it a more dangerous place to live - but I think we put too much energy into that subject, and alienated some people who never got to hear the rest of our message because of this issue.
Another serious one is too much willingness to dismiss rural folks as "rednecks" without really giving them much thought as people worth time and energy to convert. In fact, I think this is probably one of our largest failings. Most rural people I know aren't of the hard-core conservative type that we see on the far right. I mean yes - there are certainly some; but most are only somewhat conservative; and could probably change their views if they didn't feel like they were being looked at as ignorant hicks. Rural people trend conservative to begin with, especially in the Midwest; but its not necessarily that misanthropic "I hate brown people n' fags" conservativism. Its more a matter of people who have, for a very very long time made due with very very little.
I'm only realizing a lot of this now myself honestly. I live in the rural midwest, but until very recently, I always just thought the people around me were stupid. I think I was quite wrong. They aren't stupid - uneducated in many cases; but not stupid. They're conservative because it IS a more natural reaction than liberalism. After all, what do you do when you feel threatened? You batten down the hatches, tighten your belt, and take care of your own. Liberalism asks you instead to open those hatches, open your pockets, and help take care of everyone. Liberalism is a much harder philosophy, because its a bit less natural. Its BETTER imho, by far; its healthier for everyone - but its not as natural or easy.
I also think we lost the unions - well not 'lost' them; but certainly took them too much for granted. We believed the blue collar folks would always vote with us, because voting with us would be in their self interest. However between Republican lies and our own arrogance, we let that slip away from us.
One great flaw in Liberalism is the very thing you'll hear conservatives say about us. You've heard of the "Ivory Tower" right? I think a good many of us DO live in a mental ivory tower.
Make no mistake about it - I believe liberalism is the right course. However far too often we dismiss people out of hand. We look at those with religious beliefs and claim them to be idiots or deluded.
You know what that does? That turns people against you.
Not every religious person is a fool, or even a tool of the radical right. Sure, there are plenty who are; and I've condemned a lot of the organized churches in the US many many times on this website myself.
When you dismiss a person's belief in their faith - you've lost them. I'm not saying we need to become a particularly religious movement - but we need to stop attacking religion, and instead start attacking *bad* religion. Every time I see a post that says 'stupid Christians' - I know that's very likely another person lost to us.
99% of the Bible *agrees* with US. There are some issues that are outmoded and old; and I've said before that I personally don't believe the Bible is necessarily divine. But if you look at the works of Jesus - it was mostly charity, caring for the sick and the poor and the hungry.
Are these not the things we seek as well? I'm not saying "Get religious to get votes"; I'm saying, even if you don't believe in a god; stop dismissing people out of hand because they do. Instead, find the common ground.
If you talk to most blue collar folks, and just talk to them plain at first; they may gripe a bit about taxes and illegal immigrants etc... but get them talking about big corporations, about the cost of gas, about their crummy wages, their stupidly high housepayment, the cost of feeding their family... you'll find a surprisingly receptive audience so long as you don't take on that high and might "I'm right so you must listen to me!" tone.
Remember that we have to draw people AWAY from their natural 'turtle' instincts. We'll get stuff like Gay Marriage done; without a doubt. But lets start at our roots; with populism and people power. That's where we went wrong before - and its where we can get our momentum back for good again.
(Sorry this was so long)
Ack... why's it all blue?! I was just trying to quote Xoites...
that rudy!
Drooliani , the gift that keeps on giving .......To himself , apparently.
9/11, what an afrodisiac.
When it comes to republicans, the same rules don't apply. They're just not held to the same standard. I suppose people, including journalist, just expect corrupt behavior from the rethugs and therefore barely bat an eye. Rudy G. is a two bit scoundral. He has no business governing this country. For once, could the MSM do its job and inform the public about his scandalous past? Is that really asking too much? Or, perhaps they're afraid of Fox News, knowing how close Rudy is to that whole crooked crew.
jwazzz @ 30:
I'm with you- where do I find out about the job market in Amsterdam?
I hate Giuliani as only a New Yorker could. But I didn't want to see him go down for extramarital affairs. Nobody's business but his and his wife and maybe kids. Sure, the story about why he put the command center in WTC7 is a real story--not because of banging Judith Nathan, but because of the arrogant bad judgment it showed. This new story is important because of the corruption. Again, don't care that he was doing Judy, except for the double ew factor.
Media Concepts @ 55:
Hilarious - thanks for a great early morning laugh.
Seeing a clown like Ghouliani run for Prez is firm proof that the 08 elections are nothing but a charade. At some point soon, another bush fuck-up will grip the country and allow the smirkster to take control permanently. Pain is power for this degenerate.
I wonder if NYC will elect to prosecute. That'd be fun to hear on the news: "In political news, Campaign '08 heated up when indicted candidate Rudy Giuliani pledged to 'wipe New York City out' if they continued to prosecute him for fraud and misuse of city funds during his tenure as Mayor."
WHATEVER all of you have to say about Giuliani doesn't really matter.
HE JUST LOOKS REPULSIVE
and he is repulsive
If anti Giuliani forces hope to destroy his campaign based on sex scandals they are gonna be deeply disappointed.
Indeed. I think he's going to win it all. I'm with Bill maher on that. Americans are buying into the Rudy myth.
You got it all wrong. Rudy was meeting and doing business with associates of bin Laden because he was using his God Given American initiative and know-how on a counter intelligence operation. Can you really find fault with that?
And, as far as billing various government agencies for his extra-marital work, he needed to provide cover for his black op activities. The secret communications command center was in a cave below Judy Nathan in the Hamptons.
Think of it this way, Mr. T and the A Team didn’t always work on official government “sanctioned” operations. But, they got the job done didn’t they?
As a longtime resident of New York City, I was appalled by Giuliani's conduct during his affair with Judith Nathan because I considered it totally beneath the dignity of a man in his position and of his age -- but I didn't know, and I suspect that a lot of my fellow New Yorkers didn't either, that he was using city funds in order to pay for his illicit trysts! I've never had much respect for him to begin with, but this just takes it to a whole new low -- then again, I'm really not all that surprised. I've been saying this for a long time...if infidelity is a sign of poor ethics and poor character in a Democrat (i.e., Clinton) then it's just as bad if not an even worse sign in a Republican because they're the ones who are always lauding themselves as being the party of "family values". To my way of thinking, the Republicans who've supported Giuliani to date -- including some on the Christian Right -- have only served to prove what total hypocrites they are for vilifying one man due to his marital misconduct and then supporting another who's just as guilty if not more so of the same offense. You know how they warn women that if a man acts a certain way before a marriage, he'll continue to do so after the marriage -- but in spades? I think this rule could just as easily be extrapolated to voters during a Presidential election. If the Republicans have any interest at all in restoring dignity to their party, Giuliani -- a man who's demonstrably both morally and financially corrupt -- is most definitely NOT the man to do it.
More and more, Giuliani is seeming to be the perfect republican replacement for the Bush administration. Who else seems capable of maintaining the 'Fuc*-Up per minute' pace of the current government?
Other republican candidates may try, but Rudy is head and shoulders above his nearest competitor. At least so far. His opponents' competitive spirit may be aroused by all the Giuliani scandal revelations, and we may soon see 'leaks', indictments, and grand jury hearings that will vault some other republican aspirants for the presidency into a closer 'race for the headlines' with Giuliani.
Did Huckabee rape all the students in his bible classes? Did McCain purposefully get shot down to further his political career? Has Romney only one wife, are all those other women and men mere 'Mormon Concubines'?
Time will tell.
Paul in LA @ 43:
Not quite sure why massive vote-fraud and running a campaign from prison would make you believe he is out of this. The first one is pretty much a given for any repug to win the next election, or even the next two for that matter. The second one just is not going to happen. There are pardons, there are judges who are already owned by the RNC (the supreme court), there are entire juries who could vanish from the face of the earth. There are toooo many, let's call them variables, between Rudy and cold hard time. You don't even have to be a burned out rage-aholic to figure that one out.
"Everything's expensed after 9/11"
...ADULTRY....
.......MARRIED HIS COUSIN...
...........KEPT HIS WOMEN ON CITY MONEY...
....................................THE REPUPUBLICANS ARE JUST GIDDY THAT THEY HAVE A
CANDIDATE WHO LIKES..... WOMEN
and given that:
He looks pretty cute in a skirt
He is pro gay
HE WILL EVEN GARNER THE EVER ELUSIVE..... bisexual republican vote
..... currently the fundi's are changing their definition of divorce to allow for... whatever...
HIS BIGGEST ACHILLE'S HEEL IS THAT ROMNEY WILL BELITTLE HIM FOR HAVING HIS WIVES ONE AT A TIME.... WHILE ROMNEY ADVOCATES..... MULTI-TASKING
don't forget to stop by stall number 5 at the Minneapolis Airport in 2008
for the Senator Craig GOP meat-and-greet
....and don't forget to wash your hands
meanwhile on 'slutball' with miss chris matthews who has spent weeks rabidly destroying clinton over how she claps her hands, or laughs, or whatever his deranged mind conjures up about her, after weeks of this preprogrammed GE monkey has been spluttering it's hallucinations about clinton what did he do yesterday with all this guiliani stories: NOTHING. instead this repiglican cumslut spluttered on about how many times bill clinton used the word 'i' in a speech. the agenda could not be more clear.
OxyCon @ 22:
In the GOP it is only a "bad thing" if your paramour is another guy.
JJohnson @ 56 - Thank you so much for what you said. Makes more sense than what some of the candidates are spewing forth.
Want to run for office? You got my vote.
Thanks, Martha
Rudy, the 'TEFLON FELON'.
RickinSF @ 76:
Au contraire, in the GOP it's an oddity if your paramour is female (If you're male)
Wait a minute... the command center was in WTC7? The one that fell down all by itself? Not one of the towers, but the only steel building in the history of the world to fall down from a fire? No plane hit it...
And command center was there because that's where Rudy wanted it? And Rudy signed off on the destruction of all of the physical evidence of the attacks via steel recycling?
Doesn't anybody else smell some fish?
Dhalgren @ 68:
Indeed, the repugs and the fourth estate already have him elected. and he will make Beneto look like a piker. He will do all the things that Bushii hasn't foisted upon us allready.
The media knows that they just cover up like they did with King George then perhaps a little might get out but not much. They don't care they will get him elected?
How many folks are do you think are writing garbage about Hilliary right now for later submission?
One thing the pious Americans couldn't stop talking is $$$ and sex, especially the rich and powerful having sexual extra-marital affairs.
Wait'll it's revealed that Giuliani was a 'made' member of the Gambolino family when he was just a teen, whose nickname is 'Chicken Strangler', not because of his sexual perversions, but because he was put in charge of the World-Famous 'Mulberry Street Chicken Market', and ran it into the ground because he couldn't tell the difference between white meat and dark meat, and kept gnawing on chicken necks while cutting up the birds.
They changed his nickname to 'Geek', and he was demoted to being Kerik's gofer, and from those lowly beginnings, worked his way down to the bottom he now enjoys.
Don't you think we should all be hoping Giuliani actually gets the nomination? I mean with him running against any of the Democratic candidates, I don't see how we could lose. Giuliani's not going to bring out their base to the polls. He's comes with way too much baggage. Once the race is distilled down to two people, all you have to do is keep telling the truth about him; what would amount to slander if said about anyone else would be simple fact with him. Romney scares me more. He might actually dupe the religious nuts to vote for him.
xoites defends Constitution @ 12:
It's frightening, isn't it...
You know what Boston.com (Boston Globe) has on their front page? A video of Giuliani answering the question regarding his rooting for the Red Sox during postseason. That's it. So far, nothing about his misappropriation of funds. I guess I'll have to write the Globe a scathing comment.
Ah, here it is... buried in the news section:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/29/amid_affair_giulia...
mrsisk @ 84:
I had much the same thought this morning after I posted my earlier message...but in all honesty, I'm not as confident as you are that Giuliani would in fact lose. After all, there is reason for speculation that the results of both the 2000 and the 2004 elections weren't entirely legit...what makes you so certain that the 2008 election would be any different? The fact is that in a race between Rudy and Hillary, there's a good chance that the Republican voters would have a strong motivation to come out in force and vote for Rudy -- even if they had to hold their noses while doing it -- even if simply because so many of them absolutely *loathe* Hillary and would be willing to do almost anything to prevent her from becoming President (for that matter, there are even quite a few people in her own party who can't stand her). Believe me, the signs suggesting that the GOP is at least willing to consider overlooking Giuliani's baggage are already there -- even some members of the Christian Right, such as Pat Robertson, have come out in support of him even despite his marital misdeeds and the fact that his views on social issues (such as gays) do not coincide well with theirs.
I also can't agree with you that Romney is the primary GOP candidate whose possible appeal to the Christian Right is worrisome -- to my way of thinking, Huckabee is the one who should be of greater concern because he seems more likely to attract that group. My informants tell me that Huckabee is gaining ground in the Midwest among people who feel that they can't in good conscience vote for someone whose morals are undoubtedly as questionable as Giuliani's are and who look down on Pat Robertson for supporting him.
I'm a democrat... Don't like G. But I'm not convinced this is a REAL issue... G was the mayor of a big city. G had a security detail assigned to him. G traveled. G's security detail accompanied him. Security personnel don't work for free. Security generally isn't a part-time proposition. G's security personnel accompanied him on official and unofficial business. So where's the problem? Don't like how the bookkeeping was done? I don't get it. Let's stick to the real issues regarding the dems and repub candidates... You want to continue business as usual (existing and new wars in the middle east) vote repub... You want change in the country's direction (Obama) vote dem...
Ya see rudee, that's why you shouldn't have cleared all the hookers out from Time Square. You coulda gotten your nookie for a lot less.
New York has certainly had more then their fair share of troubles.
i won't waste any more time than it takes to post this message considering the possibility that these revelations will seal his fate and end his run for the presidency. the mainstream media won't either. left/progressive radio, blogs and publications will, but, on the whole, that never seems to amount to much in the long run. i mean, what's so impressive about a Democratic majority in Congress propelled by the left media that is still controlled by the Republicans? Guiliani, like Bush, can condemn the living to their deaths, rob, steal and cheat and that will never be as offensive as a blow job.
Looks like he's got one hellova headache in that photo... Looks kinda
like I feel... About the state of this nation... The tagline leadin
highlighting some of his 'attributes'... is almost funny.. almost... As
outlined, he looks like he's got exactly the 'right stuff' to represent the
republican party. Representing the nation as president??? Ehh, not really...JD
rudy is a liar, a cheat, a phony and dirty politician. He brags about doing so much after the WTC disasters but he was really boinking his ho.
Didn't bldg 7 collapsed mysteriously?
There's a rumor that Rudy's latest 'nooner squeeze', and possible next 'Ms. Giuliani', is an obscure U.S. Senator, who insists on Rudy dressing up as a Catholic schoolgirl, with plaid skirt and plain white panties, and pigtails, the whole bit, during their 'assignations'.
The whole affair is driving Rudy's security detail crazy, since the Senator insists on bonking Ruby, dressed in his schoolgirl costume, right in the Senator's office, on top of his desk, during office hours.
The latest rumor is that YouTube has offered one of Rudy's security detail an enormous sum to film Rudy and the Senator in 'action', with a hefty bonus if they can have it in time for their Christmas Special Celebration bonanza.
Keep your eyes on YouTube around the holidays.
And condolences (or are 'congratulations' in order?) to Judith.
If there's anyone still in doubt about what I said earlier in this thread concerning Huckabee's potential appeal to the Christian Right and why this makes him a more worrisome prospect than Romney, I think this item on ThinkProgress.org today oughta help clear things up for ya...
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/29/huckabee-phone-call-with-god/
Americans know that George Bush is a dumbass on complex economic issues. But none of that matters. We trust Bush/Cheney to kill terrorists without remorse or hesitation. Bush earned that trust during his first term; that's why he was elected to a second term. The extermination of Islamic terrorists is the single issue that trumps all others. Giuliani will defeat Hillary in a general election for one reason and one reason only. American voters will instinctively choose Giuliani over Hillary because we viscerally entrust our national security to a masculine mandate to destroy our enemies, see them scattered before us, and hear the lamentations of their women.
It seems the only place Giuliani isn't involved in graft is his hairline.
Preacher Boob @ 95:
HAHAHAHA
This just in:
All hell broke loose when it was discovered that rudy and berniek have been paying the same bills for rudy's wife. When questioned rudy's wife said turn-about is...
BTW -- How can any administration use the excuse they can't reveal info to congress because of nation security? If they don't get congress approval how are they funding what ever monkey whisper is doing. I mean, where is the money coming from to fuel chimpy's bullshit? That's high crime.
Bluestocking @ 96:
Whoever the repug, they'll lose by the biggest margin in the US history.
Trittydi @ 28:
No offense but...
Fuck the old-timey media. The internet won't let them forget. rudy gonna see all his shit on the net for years to come. There will be all kinds of parodies, cartoons and whatnot floating around these parts.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
The world is ours.
It's not wrong if your a republican.
Nobility entitles you to certain things. Just ask the Bushies.
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