Getting Hosed By Homeland Security
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On an ever-increasing basis, I get the distinctly creepy feeling that high school English class made a very big impact on the neo-cons in office. Not for the quality of writing of such dystopian classics like 1984 and It Can't Happen Here, but as a guideline of what to do once in power (tell me you can look at Karl Rove and not think "Four legs good. Two legs better"), proving once again that the basic lessons of history and humanity are lost on them.
Case in point: drawing from a very apt analogy of Fahrenheit 451 in which firemen went looking for questionable material (like the unacceptable notion of books that make you think) from the citizens to keep them complacent and happy, comes the news that the Department of Homeland Security has "deputized" the FDNY with the ability to report on citizens that may express opinions or have in their possession books that sound "anti-American." A handy ally for DHS, as fire departments and EMTs don't have to waste time with little niggly things like search warrants or probable cause for such searches.
Mike German, formerly with the FBI and now with the ACLU, talks with Keith Olbermann of the highly greased slippery slope we all find ourselves on.
you can no longer trust the ambulance and fire dept.
bring out you dead!.....gong.....bring out your dead!
What if we keep anti-American and pro-American (jingoistic) literature in equal numbers? Would that confuse them?
I asked my librarian, "What do you think DHS would make of me, if they looked at the books I've checked out?" She didn't even hesitate a second before replying, "Anything they want to."
Fire fighters can enter homes because they have either been ordered to enter the residence by 911 or because they notice a clear and present danger. Still the Bush regime's plan would be illegal. No fire department would play along because they are too busy fighting fires rather than snooping through people's underwear drawers.
Ah, glad to see this posted.
One can only imagine "what next"?
Oh wait, we already know.
East Germany is the new America and Democrats will not change that.
Knock, knock. [or alternatively, ding dong]
Who's there?
Firemen.
What do you want?
Home inspection. It's been reported that your home may not be safe from fires. Say, what a book collection--Zinn, Blum, Chomsky, Marx. Are you by any chance discontented with our government?
One of THE best Book TV's I ever saw was Mike German on "How To Think Like A Terrorist" here. Some of the smartest thinking I've heard in a while.
Sounds like a Stalinist police state to me. Wasn't it fear of living under this kind of government what fueled the cold war for half a century? ... sorry, gotta go - the KGB's at the door. :-(
Department of Homeland Security has “deputized” the FDNY with the ability to report on citizens that may express opinions or have in their possession books that sound “anti-American.”
Homeland Security also has a "Citizens Police" training program thats basically the same thing. Neighborhood Police is a better term.
So if you ever wonder why a neighbors been giving you strange looks now you know why.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ.
Double-plus ungood are my thoughts.
Except, Nicole, there's no slope, it's a cliff. And its not greased, it's a free-fall into a black-hole.
And don't forget the "Thought Crime Bill" that recently passed in the House. If it becomes law it will establish a Center of Excellence to study and defeat thought criminals.
This bill was overwhelmingly support by the Democrats. WTF!!!
Homeland Security must be abolished.
You heard me NSA.
THEY are unAmerican. Look into it, won't you?
Martial law is on the way. Blackwater is training police and we're all in trouble. I think a better name for Homeland Security might be SS or maybe Stasi. How about Savak? KGB anyone? It's past time to rise up and say enough. Throw ALL the politicians out and start over. We should be running away screaming in horror at those who say they want to "lead us". We need to throw out the Federal Reserve system and bring down the banks and Wall Street. We've got to stop blindly allowing ourselves to be led like sheep and instead take charge of our lives. Of course, that will never happen. We'll be segregated, selected, inspected and sent off to "rehabilitation resorts". Just imagine the future as a foot stomping on a human face........forever.
don't hate me @ 11:
And the ground is rapidly approaching.
So if George Bush wants to get into your house he can pay some punk to light a 4th of July smoke bomb on your front door. Presto! The fire-department can enter legally. One of the fire-fighters is actually a Blackwater goon undercover. He sees a copy of a Michael Moore book on your shelf. Presto...You're an Enemy Combatant on your way to Uzbekistan to be boiled in oil.
Even if none of this happens they're slowly creating a climate where neighbor turns on neighbor. Everyone is suspicious of everyone else. Exactly the climate necessary to further their fascist dreams more efficiently.
Seriously, is this a coincidence?
hope @ 12:
Posting on C&L may be a violation of this bill. How does it feel to be a criminal?
that @ 17:
The only coincidences were the ones that occurred on a certain day in September.
Oh and everything that has happened since.
OUTING A CIA AENT IN TIME OF WAR IS TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT.
I guess i better hide my copy of "America Sucks."
don't hate me @ 18:
I always thought my history of being a law abiding citizen would stand me in good stead. Uhhhh....not so much anymore.
A very shrewd move by King George. Firefighters (especially in New York) are one of the few trusted institutions of government left. Sure, they have screw-ups too, but generally they feel close to the people, and the people love them.
Not so with cops, especially recently. Not so with the increasingly SS-like Bush Federal agents. How to fix this? Well, if you can turn the people against the Firefighters and EMTs there are two benefits to the aspiring Prince:
1) In doing so, you create a firm "us" vs. "them" with the citizenry. When ALL government is suspect, and there is vocal agitation, this provides the perfect excuse for marital law (whether explicitly declared or not). "I have taken measures to make sure that the good firefighters and amblance workers can do their jobs to save our lives and homes, save from these terrorists and radicals." This makes good speech copy, and an excellent cover for "cultural enforcement" by these institutions. As it is, one agency may "rat out" another to keep their favor with the public. We've seen this with the NYFD publicly humiliating the mayor Guliani and the NYPD by telling the truth. If this favor is not an option, the incentive to act in the public interest goes away... telling the truth will then only gain them your wrath, yet they will still be distrusted by the public. A win for the Prince.
2) As a bonus, those with too much integrity to spy on their fellow citizens and plant evidence in the course of EMT or firefighting duty will most likely quit, which is much more convenient than having to fire them without cause. Sometime the hardest thing in turning a tool of the state into a tool of the Prince is weeding out those of loyalty to the people rather than the coin.
Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.
Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. Besides, pretexts for taking away the property are never wanting; for he who has once begun to live by robbery will always find pretexts for seizing what belongs to others; but reasons for taking life, on the contrary, are more difficult to find and sooner lapse. But when a prince is with his army, and has under control a multitude of soldiers, then it is quite necessary for him to disregard the reputation of cruelty, for without it he would never hold his army united or disposed to its duties.
(Bush. Crueler than Machiavelli.)
"Employees may also be held liable for damages suffered by the company".
Well it's real, it's on the company website, all real and official looking. I have a pdf of it on at least two computers now. In addition to the obvious Satan inspired policy changes reading between the lines a trained analyst such as myself can easily extrapolate the proximity and severity of the imminent dystopian future.
I guess I'd better get over my fantasies about firemen.
Big hoses, ya know.
don't hate me @ 18:
Kind of like a "them too" bill. Since most of congress are apparently crooks and criminals they need to make everyone else one to so they feel justified in their behaviors.
hope @ 22:
There are, of course, situations where not being a criminal is immoral. This is quickly becoming one of them.
where can I sign up to be on this list ? I know I already have a police/FBI file because of my (7 years of ) Anti-Bushit truck signs , the bomb squad was called on the truck once and another time I interrupted (with a 4'x4' protest sign in the background) CNN's live shot of Bob 'PrinceOfDarkness" Novak on "Capital Gang" in Boise and was hustled off by local Gestapo . Oh yeah , I had a run-in with the (piggish acting) Capital Police in WDC a few years ago when they wouldn't let me protest on the US Cap's grounds even tho I was correct and they were WRONG , as proven by a US Supreme Court ruling just a year after my to-do with 'em . The point is , I've insured that the Pigs ( currently ) running America know who I AM , and that I ( and MILLIONS ) will NOT be silenced , I am Peaceful and non-violent unless I'm attacked , , , OK ?
Remember (Tr)Ashcroft's TIA ; where hundreds of thousands of us signed up to be on it and it died ? Can anyone create such a list/movement for this Fetid Fahrenheit Fetish ?
hope @ 22:
I know. If your a law abiding citizen who knows what they are doing these days your treated like some kind of dangerous freak.
Remember when they put out that alert to be on the lookout for men carrying World Almanacs because they might be terrorists?
I went right out and bought one with a credit card so they would have something to do.
slowly?
In one fell swoop, DHS has turned firemen from heros into agents of oppression. They might as well replace the Fire Department logo on their jackets with bull's eyes.
We should put together a list of the most radical, revolutionary, thought provoking, DHS provoking books we can think of, buy them, bbring them home and read them.
It's just the government We deserve because it's the government WE have and have ALLOWED to become these last 7 years. (+/-) (no guts, no glory---no pain, no gain)
people should not fear thier goverment . Government should fear the people. rudy and all these contenders don't want to hear this...but people....smarten up. I'm para-phraseing V. Impeach the Chimp and Count Dickula.
xoites defends Constitution @ 30:
You rebel. No juice for you. What is your cell number, prison mate? LOL
johnny canuck @ 34:
We have no reason to fear this government: They have retarded people like FEMA directors who have to lie about Horse Shows to get a job in a reckless organization. The quality of the employees is so low, they still have to lie to get the bad jobs.
johnny canuck @ 34:
Actually, what they do not want us to know and what they will never admit is they are scared shitless of us. That is why they do everything they can think of to keep us divided, distracted and preoccupied.
xoites defends Constitution @ 32:
Read them, and the DHS employees will get confused as they burn them: "Uh, what is this . . .a book? I haven't seen one of these in years. Where's my bourbon?"
BTW , when was the last time anybody heard the term : " Jack-Booted Thugs " ?
RIGHT , , , there HAS to be a Democrat in the White-house for RePIGlicans to say that .
So , WHY don't Dems call the Bushiters Jack-Booted THUGS and get it in the national meme ?
Drunken US Govt Idiots @ 38:
Well, i would not go that far. I have come in contact with people who (because DHS sucked up every agency when it was formed the Idiots In Charge could think of) must now be in DHS. There are very bright well read people in our government. Their political views i may not agree with, but i will never pretend they are ignorant or stupid.
Why the fuck do we have to go to the Telegraph UK to find this out??? Jesus Christ, thank the goddess for the Internet and blogs otherwise we would have no way of keeping track of what these criminals are doing. A fireman's job is hazardous enough without having to be an informant for the Bush regime. So where are the Democrats on this?? Hillary? Obama? Pelosi? Reid? Oh yeah, they're busy cowering in their offices because they're afraid FOX news is gonna say bad things about them. People, we DO have two parties running this country: Criminals and Cowards
gene214 @ 41:
I thought it was Crooks and Liars.
Is there some publicly-traded prison corp. stock I can start investing in?
With the majority of people hating Bush, that's a lot of jail cells to build.
Can I just assume these stocks will be added to the Spade index?
Gregg @ 43:
Whackenhut and Rentokill (i kid you not.)
Dunno... I for sure could be wrong about this... but... Seems like a lot of firemen are more about helping people and saving lives..
and they take a lot of pride in that... Not so sure the majority of them are interested in being part of some Gastapo... Sooo... not sure how this little HLS 'depitty dog' program will be received by NYFD.......Especially if its about spying on what people are reading...... IF I was a fireman, my basic response would be thanks but no thanks, I'm too busy, got better things to do.... Actually what I'd be thinking is fuck off......JD
What is next? Cameras on every street corner and than cameras in every home? And this is the land of the free and brave? It is only going to get worse if Rudy gets in.
I went and googled "publicly traded prison companies" and this popped up! LOL!
World's First Publicly Traded Marijuana Company
If anything has enduring value... LOL!!!!!
Beer is proof God wants us to be happy.
xoites defends Constitution @ 37:
Bullseye. I couldn't agree more. You're so spot on. This is a point that needs to be drilled into the public's head. Can you imagine if John Conyer's actually followed through on Dennis Kuicnich's impeachment resolution of Dick Cheney? And they had all the evidence ready. And all the witnesses lined up. And a date for the trial was set. I GUARANTEE you Cheney would flee the country. His bravado and boldness is a costume. If anyone called his BLUFF he'd run like a fascist coward. This is why they must scare us with terrorist alerts, stories of torture, mushroom clouds. This is why they must secretly pay "journalists" to hide the news, obscure facts and spin us into a state of nausea. They're very afraid of the people. Very.
Prisons may be risky after all:
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Shareholders of Prison Realty Trust and Corrections Corporation of America have approved a plan to restructure the two companies into one public entity in an attempt to prevent the nation's largest private prison business from going bankrupt."
Or maybe all this is meant to help them turn a profit.
SadButTrue @ 8:
Exactly. Too many people bring up the Nazis when discussing evil government. But it was during the Stalin Soviet era where people were afraid to speak their mind and neighbor turned in neighbor. People disappeared in the night never to be heard of again. It was so much more insidious.
gene214 @ 41:
Oh, I can answer my own question (at least as far as Hillary is concerned). Just read a story on Yahoo! News which stated that Hillary was at Rick Warren's bareback - oops, I mean Saddleback -Church helping the thousand or so wingnuts in attendance pay lip service to AIDS victims. What next? Personally, I'm waiting for her handlers to dress her up in a blaze orange vest, hand her a rifle, and snap pictures of her in the middle of some game "preserve" (to snag some of the NRA vote). Yeah, I hear it was quit a show - standing up there praisin' the good lord Jeebus and talking about compassion for AIDS victims (apparently without once referring to gays). So thump that Good Book, Hillary! Meanwhile, our country continues its transformation into a Third World police state.
I don't care how many people object, but we are quickly taking on some of the more frightening aspects of the Third Reich. With neighbors reporting on neighbors. How long will it be before people are rounded up?
johnny canuck @ 48:
Thanks, I was needing some proof. Altho I prefer my "proof" a little higher than beer provides.
foolme1ns @ 53:
We have three million people in prison more than half for non violent drug offenses.
Don't look now...
The Prison Industrial Complex is one of the fastest growing sectors of our economy.
I know, i know, the people in prison are not like you and me. They are in jail.
xoites defends Constitution @ 44:
Don't forget Kellogg, Brown, & Root while you're at it...has everyone forgotten about those "relocation facilities" that they've been building right here at home over the past few years? Wouldn't be too difficult to turn those into detention centers or internment camps, would it? There are those who believe that this is exactly what they're being built in preparation for...the establishment of a fascist government and the mass imprisonment of any and all whose views don't coincide with it.
Not for a moment. Not even in my sleep.
gestapo
Ha , Ha ..Hey Mike... Rudy would make a great Klink , er what !!
Security has “deputized” the FDNY with the ability to report on citizens that may express opinions or have in their possession books that sound “anti-American.”
So basically anything written by Annman Coulter or a Fox "News" host.
johnny canuck @ 59:
Actually, you hit it on the head. If he gets the nomination that would make a great poster. Photoshop him into Klink talking to Sargent Schultz.
Thompson would make a great Schultz. Ha.ha.
johnny canuck @ 62:
SHHHH!
Put those two together and this silly country might vote them in.
I amazes me how the people running the administrative branch of our government are thought of by the majority of America as being anti-American; yet these insurgents in our government think that they have the right to define what is and isn't American. If anyone, ever, decides to "report" me for what I read, write or think then they better look over their shoulder for the rest of the short life they have left because I, for one, am sick to death of these radical extremists trying to destroy our country's principles. It's about god damn time the American people took back our country and gave these traitors and seditious radicals the boot. If we are going to arrest people for "unAmerican" behavior, let us start at the top and put Bush and Cheney and their handlers in jail and let them face 5 years of Gitmo before they go on trial. Scratch that, that isn;t the American way; let us charge them (there is ample evidence" arrest them, and give them the speedy trial they are entitled to (yet they deny so many) and let our LAWS decide their fate. Remember the law? Anyhow, I hope it never happens, but it would be ironic, if the same screwball system these right-wing radicals have set up were to be used against them after their landslide defeat next fall.
XDC@63;
Rudy & fred??!!.....Eeech, what a nightmare idea that is....
I must never speak those two names in the same sentence ever again......Eeeech!!! JD
dan @ 64:
The system we have (or had) would work just fine if the Congress (and i mean Republicans as well as Democrats) got off their cowardly asses and arrested Rove and Meyers for contempt of Congress, dragged Scott McClellan in to testify and indicted and tried Bush, Cheney and most of the entire cabal for Treason.
xoites defends Constitution @ 66:
Oh, I know that it would and the outcome (assuming everything was done on the up and up) is a far gone conclusion; I just think it would be just desert were these traitors to face the system they perverted and created, rather than the American system of old. But, that wouldn't be American if they faced their new system, so I hope THAT would never happen.
Need I remind you that DHS is commanded by an Israeli citizen?
I wonder if he's training firemen to burn copies of The Israel Lobby? Or The Bomb in the Basement (How Israel got it's nuclear bombs)?
Or considers George W. Bush versus the U.S. Constitution Un-American?
If DHS is serious about 'Cleansing American of Un-American' stuff, it should hose out the White House, and drown it's occupants.
johnny canuck @ 59:
lol never thought of that
Steps required to rid one's self of annoying neighbor:
1. Plant books covering topics of terrorism, crime, and radical religious texts in your neighbor's house.
2. Call 911, report a fire at their location.
3. ???
4. Profit.
Ahhhh the Fascist States of America ............ the FSA ......... yup, that sounds about right.
Surprising that a country can be brought to it's knees, crippled and cut off from the world in 7 years, I disagree with it, though I can't but admire the efficincy with which it's been done, and mostly with the people crying out for it, George Orwell would be so proud and horrified.
And yet, it's going to get so much worse !
foolme1ns @ 53:
Bar the semantics, they already are to a point.
As a holiday surprise this Christmas, if you have an annoying neighbor, I suggest you steal (borrow) his/her credit card long enough to order all of Chomsky's books from Amazon, delivered to their door.
Then hide behind your curtains and wait for the fire department to show up.
all these repubs are stasi fanboys who want to watch over us 24 hours a day
i'm a firefighter/paramedic and i'm not sure of this - if these guys are deputized for real they would need a warrant - if they were asked to look for specific things they would need a warrant because they are acting on behalf of the police department - i'm not a lawyer but i've been in the fire service and worked closely with special ops guys in both fire and law enforcement for over 20 years and this just doesn't sound kosher to me
don't hate me @ 49:
Sadly, most people are sheep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGurfyISnN8
gordie polando @ 75:
you are right, but whan has a warrant requirement stopped these people?
xoites defends Constitution @ 50:
when do the layoffs begin?
This is the type of thing where people might say "I don't have anything to worry about," until they come under suspicion for something they consider absurd.
Isn't it ironic that the first victims to be sacrificed in Bush's "War on Terror", the over 300 NY firemen and other first responders, are probably the first to be deputized to be American Stazi.
Really, are they going to go along with this?
On an ever-increasing basis, I get the distinctly creepy feeling that high school English class made a very big impact on the neo-cons in office...
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With all due respect, Nicole...you're only realizing this now?!? I've been saying for at least a good three years now that many of the key figures in the Bush administration have clearly been acting under the misapprehension that George Orwell intended "1984" and "Animal Farm" as instruction manuals instead of the cautionary tales that he actually designed them to be...
Oh that's just great. My place is full of anti-firefighter propaganda. :(
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LOL
I can see it now.
DHS sued for arresting pilot who possessed a flight manual.
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Some books for rebels..The politics of herion,A higher form of killing,the monkey wrench gang.Happy reading yall!!
Oh the Conservative Movement boys paid attention in their high school english class, alright. 1984, Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, and The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz were GUIDEBOOKS and INSTRUCTION MANUALS for these guys.
Why do I get the nasty sensation that I am on a "list" somewhere, and that the "list" is going to be used against me. I never used to be paranoid. I remember seeing the cover of Nation a few years ago with Bush as Alfred E. Newman, "Worry!" Should I worry?
"The plan would be particularly hazardous in communities already under police scrutiny, he said. "Do we want them to fear the fire department as well as the police?"
This statement pretty much says it all about the neocon's dictatorship agenda. All you people who got mad at the rest of us for comparing Bush to Hitler, see where we are at now. If you still can't see the similarities, you really need to wake up before WE are invaded by the rest of the world to release the prisoners in OUR concentration camps......like gitmo.
With George Bush having an approval rating below 30% (no president in America has ever had an approval rating that low), the Bush regime is on it's last legs. Now in a last ditch effort to try and gain American support, they want to take away freedom of speech and the civil rights of the American people. They want to do this so that anyone who opposes their invasion of Iran (which they plan on doing) is a "terrorist." With only a couple of months before the holy day which is January 20, 2009, this evil regime will never accomplish this goal.
DUDE @ 88:
I hope you're right. But if martial law is delcared, elections suspended, they'll invade Iran anyway.
Given the mulitude of American interventions throughout the past you would think that there are alot of people around the world that would want revenge against the USA.
But they are either powerless against the empire or have forgiven it.
In other words...the War on Terror is against a very few, not the many.
The sick thing is I remember back in the late 70's reading one of the letters to the editor in the National Lampoon Magazine where Blugaria said "we do not have secret police, we have secret fire department" I remember laughing when I read that about how abusrd that was.
and now - it's not so funny - we do have a secret fire department.
this is f-ed up, truly shocking.
Um, some on the Religious Right have expressed distain for America. Will they be investigated too?
Even if they come in your house and snoop, they still have to have a warrant for anything they find to be able to be used as evidence of a crime. The constitution still stands. This will not hold up in court! And since when is it a crime to own certain books? There's no crime. If an FBI agent comes to talk to you about a book or print-out you've purchased, downloaded or printed out, then you can tell them you have nothing to say. They can't arrest you for what you read! This is madness!
As the sand through the hourglass, the Truthers look truthier and truthier every day.
Get out @ 94:
You could be deemed an "enemy combatant." Then it's game over.
How does this affect the Phelps family?
How long till you invade Canada? We have oil and water, both. It'll be like the Nazi Anschluss with Austria.
Wow, a lot of comments!
Get out @ 94:
And then you get tasered...
Bluestocking @ 81:
Yup. And the game Monopoly was originally meant to teach us the evils of capitalistic monopolies.
Reading several early posting (above), you guys list the anti-USA writings & authors. But, in the anti-Constitution world of DHS and the federal mafia criminal godvernment it protects, those are the approved writings & authors.
Orwell's "1984" and "Animal Farm" are "Fahrenheit 451" material because they tell too much Truth about here & now in the USA. Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" would be "anti-American" because it forewarns of "the People's State of _________" (fill in the blank), communism utopia, command economies, and all sorts of PC claptrap that is the rage of today since impeached ex-prez bubba and ex-queen hitlery rotten cretin ushered it into their "technically correct" legitimizing of lying.
Better not have any WorldNetDaily "Whistleblower" magazines in open view; or worse yet, The New American from John Birch. After the ambulance speeds you away, you won't make it back from wherever they disappear and render you to.
I just installed a wood stove in my library and have to get the stove inspected by the fire department. The stove works great and creates very little ash, -I've burnt half my books and I have not had to clean out the ash hopper yet!
Ahh the DHS, the latest Hitlerian arm of the bush regime' to assert its force of 'democracy' on its own people.. Will these murderous, rabid fox-n-friendz ever give up on spreading their 'freedoms' ?
Please help to out the agenda of the Global Elitist.. http://spokenrealism.blogspot.com
The elite's government FEARS you!!!!!!
Their fear is manifested in the laws they pass. Here is a law banning what MANY of the Founders wrote is a RIGHT of citizens when a government no longer represents them:
Section 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or
teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of
overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or
the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession
thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by
force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any
such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any
such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates,
sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed
matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity,
desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any
government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts
to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society,
group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the
overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or
violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any
such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes
thereof -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by
the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five
years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in
this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for
employment by the United States or any department or agency
thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms ''organizes'' and
''organize'', with respect to any society, group, or assembly of
persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new
units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes,
and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
The federal government is allowing MILLIONS of illegals to invade our country. Corporate America is becoming increasingly more powerful and influential. Yet, according to the government of for and by the elites YOU, a citizen, have to accept whatever the government does with NO recourse other than voting...... and there is sufficient proof that shows to me voting is worthless since the entrenched power structure ensures that the emplaced elite class can not be removed.
Several Founders specifically wrote of the people's right to abolish a government when it no longer represents them.
We are forced to live under an elite's TYRANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay Facism is back!!! finally. i was starting to get a little worried there- thought it disappeared completely. Haha democracy, can you beleive it? yeah i can't either...So i was wondering, should i bend over now or later?
I suppose the Declaration of Independence is a terrorist document, then. If our Founding Fathers were alive today, they'd be shipped off to Gitmo, you can bank on that.
Edwin @ 96:
Actually, they can. Now with the Homegrown Terrorist Prevention Act, you can and will be arrested, without warrant, without a lawyer, and without right, read it for yourself
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955
The article says: "Since the September 11 attacks, Americans have given up some of their privacy rights in an effort to prevent future strikes...." My emphasis.
We haven't given up any rights. Would-be theives in government think that they have possession of them. Gutless, apathetic elected officials attempted to abdicate them away.
As long as the Constitution is the law of the land, we still have those rights, and it doesn't matter what a petty tyrant who is usurping the office of POTUS has to say about the issue. It doesn't matter what an utterly corrupt and craven Congress has to say about it. and, it matters even less what a thoroughly subverted and corrupt judicial branch has to say about it. The rights these traitors are trying to say we no longer have are Human Rights, and nobody died and named them God. These are Constitutionally granted rights and nobody can take them away unless we ratify amendments to the Constitution.
If the fire departments want to serve as instruments of tyranny, they will become known as tyrants. their positions in society will drastically change.
The Department of Homeland Security must be abolished. America isn't a "homeland", and those people do not make America secure.
MN USA @ 51:
They bring up the Nazis because they started the CIA, NSA, NASA and other "supposedly" american agencies.
It'll be time to change the motto "To Protect and Serve" to "To Persecute and Enslave".
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