Andrew Card Throws Karl Rove Under The Bus On Morning Joe
By Logan Murphy Thursday Nov 29, 2007 6:35pm
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Republican Joe Scarborough is quickly turning Morning Joe into Fox & Friends Lite, (minus Mika, of course) but his interview with former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card this morning was worth a look and will be sure to raise a few eyebrows.
Joe asks Card about Karl Rove's ridiculous claim that the Democrats pushed the White House into voting on the resolution to use force in Iraq during a recent interview with Charlie Rose, and his answer took everyone by surprise, bringing big laughs from the MJ crew...and me. Even Card couldn't keep a straight face.
Scarborough: "We have to start with something that we all were talking about a couple days ago where Karl Rove went on Charlie Rose and he blamed the Democrats for pushing him and the president into war. Is that how it worked?"
Card: " Uh.....no. [laughter] that is not the way it worked. [snip]
"Karl is very smart, sometimes his brain gets ahead of his mouth - and sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain."
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And sometimes his mouth and his brain default, and he speaks with his anus.
Card Being Sent to Gitmo - details at 11.
Too bad the bus wasn't crossing the RR tracks at the time.
And sometimes he just out and out tells lies... But I bet Andy didn't mention that part specifically.....JD
My memory is that Card has done one really bad thing and a number of good ones.
But that's just my memory.
Wow! Honesty from a Bushie! How unusual! Though I must admit, I think Card misspoke. He obviously didn't realize that Rove was speaking out of his butt.
did somebody forget to review their 'talking points' this morning? eh Andy?
Okay, Rove is being absurd here, but this illustrates the problem with not taking firm stands in a timely manner.
Hillary has to spend the next 12 months explaining how she voted for it before she voted against it before she voted for it because all of this strategic "how will my vote be perceived?" thinking allows your ENEMIES to confound your ALLIES.
See.
And this is why not pursuing impeachment is such a disastrous, disastrous error. Those who equate the utility of impeachment with the likelihood of conviction and removal are missing the big picture.
Which is...
Once Bush leaves the White House, utterly unchallenged on each and every flat out illegal thing he did
a) The Republicans will be able to (correctly) claim that any Democratic objections to the president's behavior is just disingenuous politicking. If the Democrats REALLY THOUGHT that BushCo was criminal, then why didn't they impeach?
To which the Democrats will answer that they didn't have the votes to convict.
To which the Republicans will (correctly) point out that constitutional duty is the supreme consideration and will actually get to turn history around by claiming that they impeached Clinton even though they KNEW they couldn't convict and would likely suffer politically because THEY understand the meaning of duty.
It'll be spin. But it'll be spin that will be hard to refute with "but but but...we didn't have the VOTES...waaaahhhh"
And...
b) When the next odious troglodyte in the White House decides to start rounding people up or attacking countries who look at him funny, we will have NO BASIS WHATSOEVER to impeach, having explicitly declined to do so in prior cases. That's selective prosecution.
Impeaching and losing, on the other hand, is not the disaster that everyone thinks it is because everyone KNOWS we won't convict. BUT failure to convict is NOT the same thing as establishing the legality of what the president did.
History will have the opportunity to look at the record, as they have looked on the record of other trials that had bad outcomes (ie Dred Scott, Dreyfus) and they may say "the case was solid...the verdict unjust...we hereby reverse."
But if there is no trial...if there is no verdict...if there is no official record or body of evidence, history will base their judgment on a selective readings, innuendo and dead-end post-facto investigations with no power of law behind them.
Duty is there for a reason. It's not just a play for the moral high ground. Duty compels us to pursue our long term interests when we are blinded by our short term goals.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 7:
Card is no longer employed by Bushco. He can speak honestly now. Anyone know when his book comes out?
A push for war and disastrous occupation all brought to you by those cut-ups at the GOP. Always good for a few yucks. Too bad none of these bozos suffer any of the horrendous consequences of their actions.
That was a bizarre comment Rove made...bizarre even by the reality-challenged crowd's metrics.
Now if only someone would throw Card way under the bus wheels, we might be in business.
Gonzales is on his way to under the bus status early next year via special prosecutor, goes DoJ scuttlebutt right now, just FYI.
Lest We Forget...the fired USAs. They got the ugly firing edict news a year ago next Friday 12/07, just in time for the holidays...
They laugh and laugh, and it's not a damn bit funny! Karl Rove is a liar. A fear monger! A slandering, hypocritical swift boater. He's not smart! He's one lick away from being a retard. His actions have caused so much damage, pain, and our country's treasure! He and his cronys should be indicted and tried in a court of law! They are criminals and will always be deceitful, disgusting bastards. Just like the members of OJ's dream team, I believe fate will take care of each one of Bush's scurrilous "dream team" too! A special place in hell is being readied for the likes of the Bush Gestapo!
And Yet... @ 12:
It will be nice if Gonzo gets his right before Christmas.
I love this. Nervous guffaws, then "Okay. Well, I guess we don't need to follow up"
"Yes, you're done!" pipes in the anchorette.
Then they move right off the topic.
The chief of staff at the time contradicts a major Rove lie about the war, calls it a lie, and no one wants to pursue that further?
Like oh, maybe pretty much everything Rove has ever said is suspect now? Major news!
Not here folks, let's nervously giggle and move along, nothing to see.
Inquiring minds want to know,
How high did Geeky Rove, the 'Dancin' Fool', bounce?
And Yet... @ 12:
That firing edict was Dec. 7 '06. Preview is my friend...
September 11, 2001, Andrew Card leans over and whispers in bush's ear: "The United States is under attack. Now sit there like an imbecile for 7 minutes while the rest of us figure out what to do."
Amazing how much loyalty these guys have towards each other isn't it?
Well, Scarborough got in his one little concession to the reality-based community, the left. Now he can go back to coddling the loony-right.
The comment might be bizarre, but so was yellow-cake from Africa, a Saddam 9-ll connection, Al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion; all still believed and tooted by the other side. Karl Rove - up to his old tricks and still laughing all the way to the bank.
Quite possibly the mosty absurd statement I have ever heard in my whole life.
Jeez... Karl Rove is delusional, thinks Americans are stupid, has no memory, or has been taken over by aliens.
Or... is a neo-con!
Card didn't throw Rove under the bus, Rove jumped in front of the bus as if the bus wasn't even there...
c-mon, even the dumbest of Republicans (and that's saying alot) won't believe it was the Dem's who pushed these criminals into war.
And we've always been at war with Eastasia!
JasonS at 8
Agree completely.
Straight Shooter @ 18:
most likly he said dont worry everythings going according to plan!
I see Rove drowning in his own lies, fairly quickly too. One lie piles on another & contradicts another. Better to tell the truth, as mom always told us, but Rove never learned that lesson. Too easy to lie I guess, & get what you want that way. It's gonna be real hard to rewrite history, given the net's access to all you said & did.
1984 speak doesn't really cut it in the "super fast able to check up from multiple sources on your previous bullshit" information age...
Great, Bravo Card! but you're still a putz
This is my favorite Card momment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gSqnYKsCVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4MYii7MqA
And Yet... @ 28:
Perhaps he's setting up his insanity defense!
Straight Shooter @ 18:
Or maybe he said something like “ the second plane hit it’s target, two more to go”
sometimes
his ass gets
in the way of
his other ass
heh...
I hate to say it but from a certain perspective, Rove was telling the truth. As part of Cheney's drive to grab more power for the president, he was insistent that the president had the authority to go to war with NO permission from congress. In an attempt to check this insane an unconstitutional move, dems behind the scenes were pushing that the president DID need to go through congress for permission to act. Bush ultimately decided to go to congress, so from Rove and Cheney's view, the dems pushed for the war vote. However Rove is very dishonest (duh) because he implies the alternative to congress not voting for war was peace, when in reality, they were going to war no matter what.
bruce from gothum @ 31:
and then he probably said, for gods sakes you ignorant mutherfucker turn that book right side up thier tapeing you!
Filthy Harry @ 33:
You're right, when we strip away all the facts, save one, then spin well, we do end up with neo-con truth.
Morning Joe is getting increasingly difficult to watch. Dead Intern Boy is getting snarkier than Glenn Beck.
JasonS@8
AGREED! Totally, and well explained.... JD
Joe Pasetto @ 36:
Why did they give this guy a morning show when he's got NO TALENT and has NEVER GOTTEN RATINGS? Put a camera in Randi Rhodes studio then rerun her show the next morning. I guarantee you higher ratings than Mourning Joe.
And most of the time, Rove just lies--and orchestrates others' lies. But now the meme is out there, so the MSM can ask itself Very Seriously, "Did Democrats push Bush into war?" It's been just long enough that the Kool-Aid drinkers will have managed to forget how the war began, or that it's supposed to have been an incredible success. Before they can admit that it was a terrible idea, though, they have to pin it on the Dems.
He didn't throw him under anything. "Ohh Karl is so smart but sometimes he's a lil dumb too..."
Verbal diarrhea my rear end! Everything that comes out of that tub of evil lard is strategically planned. So today Card had it both ways by saying Karl is smart, which he is sadly, but also excusing Karl's faults as mental mishaps.
I'm sure Karl enjoyed it
HEYYY KARRRRRRRRRRL
Andy is right. But it is sad that these dickheads are laughing about a war that was started on a pack of lies.
Hardy fucking har
Card is a smart guy. He was one of the first of the Bushinistas to escape the Madhouse at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Otay @ 11:
Kind of his "you have the poll numbers and I have 'the poll numbers'." He missed that one by a mile.
I kind of enjoy Scarborough. He goes off on his right wing rants periodically - mainly to stir the pot, I think. After the Larry Craig episode, Scarborough and Tucker Carlson were interviewed and asked to comment. They were both laughing so hard they couldn't comment. Especially after they played Craig commenting that Bill Clinton was a "nasty, naughty boy." I used to watch CNN in the morning, but they've made too many changes and gotten rid of people I liked.
notice that card qualified his statement by saying, "they (democrats) pushed us into a lot of stupid things......but not the war."
all this means is that card is stating the obvious, not anything to raise eyebrows. just because you state the obvious, and don't pronouce bold-faced lies, does not make you either interesting or eyebrow-raising worthy. it makes you normal.
Card: "Sometimes his head gets ahead of his mouth... and sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain. In my case, neither seem to be functioning."
JasonS @ 8:
Thank you for this comment.
Pelosi, Hoyer, Clybern, and all the rest of the House members
need to see this on a daily basis.
leslie
Mark Richards @ 46:
...but my *ss seem to be working just fine. And that's where this is coming from.
Can't stand Andrew Card, but I'm glad somebody's throwing Rove somewhere.
they should all be in jail.
Dirty Hippie Blogger @ 42:
He was also the guy who went with Gonzo to try to strong-arm John Ashcroft on his (near) deathbed over the spying. I don't care for Ashcroft, but come on.
God, treason is so light-hearted and funny.
Scarborough is a hypocrite, right winger too his core, but knows that the right wing neo cons are loosing the game, so he plays the middle, moderate alleged republican, but all one has too do is listen and his true colors peak out, as he backed up the pro-water boarding, torture advocates using Bushite rhetoric of not discussing tactics...., as if torture is ever a moral or right tactic for a nation based on democracy..., but then the right wingers have always believed the end justified the means, kind've reminds me of another set of facists...who had same belief and policy in world war II, the Nazi's at Nuremburg trials, were merely patriots of Germany, following orders, obeying the law of their country...., just as those who defend these torture violations try too twist what is of is not torture as if anyone had too really doubt it, but then the right which Scarborough is part of has always been hypocrites...., pay lip service too Jesus teachings, cry at a unborn fetus's death, but get giddy and lustful at a execution of a criminal......reminds one of the old bible parable where the Pharisees tried too trick Jesus into not agreeing that the adultress deserved death by stoning under gods law and law of the land of the time..., Huckabee in the republican debates dodged this question with a joke, saying Jesus would have been too smart too run for office when he was asked what would Jesus do on death penalty...., no he would have said plainly let he that hath no sin cast the first stone, and that he was not here too change gods law but too fulfill it, ironically Huckabee a governor who has blood on his hands with executions, and his claim too fame is he is a expert on theology, a active minister, dodged the question..., wonder will he dodge the final judgment when Jesus knows him not for ignoring the poor, hungry, naked those sick and in prison..., the republican elite give too the richest 2%, who need it the least and cry bloody murder when a poor person gets a poverty level welfare check....., ironic is it not these self professed compassionate, righteous christians, are perfect examples of what Jesus calls blind biblical goats...whom he will not know on judgment day, pity them, for surely their fate is not one too be envied....
Morning Joe is EXACTLY what's wrong with political dialog in this country. Scarbourough BLEEDS right-wing elitism all the time. I totally lost it with him when he made it known that he wanted a FREE I-PHONE... because if he "bought one, that would be construed as investing in the company..." so he should have one at no cost!
That's the twisted logic of a self-centered corrupt Congressman at work... NOT A JOURNALIST. I worked in broadcasting for seventeen years... and I KNOW how a real journalist would approach that question. He (or she) would PURCHASE ONE... so their comments and reviews of it would be un-tainted by any suggestion that they are being BRIBED BY THE MANUFACTURER. Not Joe... he ASKED FOR A FREE HAND-OUT... THEN PRAISED THE PRODUCT... THEN GLOATED FOR WEEKS THAT HE GOT ONE FOR FREE.
He is an idiot... corrupted by his own false sense of value... stuck in the politics of The Eighties... smug and bloated and egotistical. Yes, I really don't like him.
don't hate me @ 38:
Why did they give this guy a morning show when he's got NO TALENT and has NEVER GOTTEN RATINGS? Put a camera in Randi Rhodes studio then rerun her show the next morning. I guarantee you higher ratings than Mourning Joe.
Amen. Joe was coddling the left when he followed Keith as he melded into the Imus (no pressure slot). And now that he has the Yesman, Willie 'Tucker Has Been' Geist, and Alan Colmes wannabe, Mika, Joe feels empowered to go right wing crazy.
Trust me, this show has no shelf life. Cancelled by the end of '08.
"Karl's a man on integrity"-Newsweek
Not funny...'Don't buy books by crooks.'
How can anyone throw Rove anywhere. He is to FAT...
FLMAO!
Yeah...
But you know something? Somewhere out there, a whole lot of Americans are buying into Karl's bullsh*t...
Kinda makes me sad to think that Rove is loose and living the good life...
In the Charlie Rose interview, he tells Rove that by not voting for the war so early they could have more time for inspections, etc. Rove, with the most obvious liar face every recorded says, "that's right."
Why would voting for the authorization of force be force Bush into the war? He didn't have to use that authorization. It's all BS of course and we all know it. They were going to war and were simply doing everything they needed to do to make it happen.
jr @ 56:
Time rejected Rove as a columnist.
Radar reports that, prior to securing a spot as a Newsweek columnist, Karl Rove approached Time magazine for a job. Time, however, rejected Rove as “essentially like an unindicted coconspirator in a whole host of felonies”:
Time’s editors apparently felt the cost/benefit analysis wouldn’t be in their favor if they embraced the man who has done more than anyone to keep the spirit of Joe McCarthy alive and well in American politics. … “They think Karl is essentially like an unindicted coconspirator in a whole string of felonies.”
11-20-2007 4:22 pm | Comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/time-rejected-rove-as-a-columnist/#c...
Swashbuckler @ 23:
Precisely. Rove is not a genius. He's just a sneaky weasel who understands he is in a position where he can actually get away with murder.
Card: ” Uh…..no. [laughter] that is not the way it worked. [snip]
“Karl is very smart, sometimes his brain gets ahead of his mouth - and sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain.”
AND SOMETIMES HIS STUPIDITY GETS AHEAD OF HIS IDIOTNESS!
Rove is a low life lying snake in the grass and Card called him on it. He threw himself under the bus.
ANDY , ANDY that's worst than calling him a paid professional propagandist, damn dude ez up , but I want to know is when this little wanna be Goebbels was SUCCESSFUL . You know when he helped sell an illegal WAR , like YOU . When he help orchestrate the attack on Valerie Plame , you know outing a CIA agent and allegedly YOU were there in on the meetings , with Rove , Cheney, Madalin , according J . Wilson .
Card , you followed the little bush crime family boy from Texas , and did you know anything about the Swift Boating on Kerry, or were you out of the room for that one too ?
No the YEARS and YEARS and YEARS of dirty tricks , slander , and smear jobs didn't bother your complicit ASS at all ,in fact you participated is some of them and as long as Rove continued being successful at misleading and lying to the American people , you HAD NO PROBLEM with it . So SHUT UP , you should be in front of the Hague along with that little war criminal you've been caring water for .
Spot on Jason
JasonS @ 8:
L.A. Confidential @ 19:
They don't have much choice. Either they stick together, or the whole thing falls down.
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