Rove's warning for GOP hopefuls
By Steve Benen Monday Dec 03, 2007 8:32pm
Karl Rove, who still seems to believe he’s a credible prognosticator, insists the GOP field is making a mistake keeping Bush at arm’s length.
President Bush, down and all but counted out by friend and foe alike just three months ago, is rising like a bloodied but unbowed prizefighter, and Karl Rove predicts peril for Republicans and their presidential nominee if they shun the lame-duck president on the campaign trail. […]
“Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price, and they need to understand that,” said Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s former top political adviser.
I appreciate the fact that Rove is too often detached from reality, but urging Republicans to embrace the least popular, least successful president in modern history is about as smart as assuring Republican candidates in 2006 that Dems couldn’t possibly win back both chambers of Congress. Oh wait, ol’ Karl did that, too — telling NPR before the midterms that he’d found a secret math that gives him insights that mere mortals can’t comprehend.
If Dems are really lucky, Republicans will forget the fact that Rove’s record on electoral predictions is surprisingly weak and they’ll take his advice.
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Go to jail, Karl. Do not past go, do not collect fat consulting paychecks.
The math Karl....the math.We all know how that worked out.
Karl Rove is still connected to Bush, and is offering advice from behind the curtain. You can count on that. Also, Rove will share in the spoils when GWB begins to "Refill the coffers," as he put it. When will the Carlysle Group be operating in Iraq?
Karl Rove is a
winnerwiener.that guy is delusional.....and to think..he had a job in the WH.....well....there you have it.
Yes, and what Karl, geedubya and the rest of the fucking Republicans need to know is that if this country decides to reward them for the past eight years with another four, then we don't deserve to exist.
Welcome to Karl's house of illusion;
And it the Senate Dems hadn't forced a pre-2002 election vote on GWB, causing us to go to war with Iraq, then Bush would be popular as Chocolate Pudding.
DirtyDawg @ 6:
If we do, the rest of the world should simply rise up and take us out for good.
I'm sure Ron Paul will be just heartbroken that Her Boosh wont be accompanying him on the campaign trail.
Guys, we're dealing with Karl here. He always follows the math, so where's the real math ? Follow me around some thoughts ...
a) None of the GOP presidential hopefuls has connections to Halliburton / Big Oil / Carlisle Group / the house Saud. Therefore none of them has the approval of the Bush Junta.
b) If the Dem candidate (whoever it is) wins in '08, there'll be a large-scale terrorist attack on US soil, delaying the '09 inauguration in favor of the Bush emergency absolutely-not-fascist emergency government forevar. (see : Patriot Act, Blackwater, 10 steps to fascism, et al).
c) If a Gooper wins in '08 ... see b).
d) There'll be much less bad blood between the Goopers in case b), so it's preferable to c). So it's better if the Dems win, and the math says, the best way to prevent the election of a GOP candidate is having Dubya drag him down.
He is a walking human desaster. Anyone who would listen to him is brain dead.
“Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price"
He's got a point.
Just ask any of the people arrested for wearing the wrong tee shirts.
LOL! As if you are still relevant, Karl
I think Karl will be dissapointed with the way history portrays him.....well, the real history that is.
Fat, ignorant prick must have someone to wipe his ass for him....
He certainly has exhibited nothing to make anyone believe he could do it himself.
Plenty of young, up and coming
HitlerRepublican Youth who would be glad of the opportunity...To see, if his shit does indeed stink.
Some people seem to confuse a complete lack of integrity with genius for some reason. Every time Karl Rove actually says something, he sounds like an utter moron.
Rove knows how republicans work. Modern GOP worships GOP leadership. A died in the wool GOP tool thinks that Bush is the greatest leader since Reagan. And they also believe we found WMDs in Iraq. And they believe that Iraq and Iran were involved in 9/11. Those doofuses still think Bush is great. If any GOP presidential hopeful hates on Bush, these authority worshiping tools won't come out and vote for the GOP hopeful who mocks Bush. You have to pretend you worship authority and ignorance. If you do that, you will understand why Karl Rove is totally on the money on this point.
Umm That sounds like a veiled threat, to Me. And one to be heeded,given Rove's sucesses in the past. We seem to forget how Bush came to power in the first place. To forget that is to be complacent and even smug. This man is capable of Anything and to forget that could be fatal.
Rasputin's love child really is a delusional little turd blossom, isn't he? Let's get him a nice new jacket for Christmas... one of those wrap-around ones with all of the straps and hooks designed to make sure he doesn't hurt himself or anyone else. And maybe his friend Rush can hook him up with some nice mediation so he can stop being so delusional and actually get his facts straight.
Oh, wait a minute... sorry... liberal audience... Rove needs to stay just the way he is. The more Koo-Koo for Cocoa-Puffs he is, the better the chances the liberals have in winning in 08.
Honestly, who gives a crap what this deranged sociopath thinks? The only thing he can do is pretend to trump everybody with his effin fear cards. Be afraid, GOP...be very afraid. Ooooooooo, Karl, Mr. Big Shot...er, Shit.
Bush HAS gone down in history as being the worst of the worst of the worst to seize the White House. An earthworm could have done a better job for our country.
spiritcatcher @ 10:
your argument is flawed on this account -
if a false flag is perpetrated, it will benefit not just the republican-neocons, but it wall benefit the democratic neocons. This is a phony schism, there is but one party.
There are only two men who would roll back all the damage wrought by the current placeholders in the system - Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. They believe in the Constitution above all else.
All the others - fronts for groups like the CFR, the Trilaterals, Bilderberg. Puppets, figureheads, shills.
Remember this axiom - Power never gives up Power willingly. It has to be wrested from it. In order to win, you have to upset the applecart, and the applecart is the mainstream media annointed candidates.
I can actually understand Rove's comments from a couple points of view:
1. The 30% who still like Bush have to be given credit for the tenacity of their ignorance & stupidity. They won't suddenly work out Bush is a lame duck 5 seconds before they vote. Thus, they won't vote for a rethug who distances themselves from Bush.
2. Rove doesn't want Bush to be isolated & reviled because Rove will be isolated & reviled by his association. Both justifiably, mind you.
=my2c
BC
Poncias Pilate @ 19:
Perhaps.But You are assuming a fair election. I assume Nothing.
Karl,
That's a good one!
lol.
Good to know that, even after leaving the Bush White House, turds can still blossom.
I'm sure Karl has memoed the contenders and reminded them that they ignore the President at their own respective peril.
It worked out well for Lieberman, didnt it?
Thats what I thought!
David Hawes @ 23:
There's nothing fair about an election. If there was, people like Rove would be cleaning toilets for a living.
Karl honestly thought the machines would switch enough votes that the Goopers would win the elections. It was only the large portion of voters that got the dems the majority. Karl miscalculated how many voters would go dems.
Poncias Pilate @ 19:
ummm.....just so you know.....we have someone here who uses that name..Rasputin....he's pretty smart...just so you know....
oh...and I think it's...Pontias.......sorry
mudshark @ 29:
Then he would be smart enough to know I meant the mad monk of Russia.
Karl's only talent lies in lying, smearing people, twisting their words and evading the law. In terms of political commentary and predictions, he shoots nothing but blanks. Far be it for any corporate media hack to even confront him over his nefarious activities or his way off the mark predictions. His only strength lies in his complete unwillingness to back down or ever apologize. Ironically, just as Karl uses other's strengths to run dirty campaigns against them, his own strength is his own undoing as he's too stubborn to stop when he's walking over a cliff.
A little OT but its about the election. Just watched CBS evening news. They have a segment where they ask each one of the candidates 10 question. Kucinich and Paul were either not asked or their footage was scrubbed from the results. The MSM really does not want these two in the race. Why?
I guess Rove's time out of the White House has not yet led to a dose of reality. What polling evidence does he cite for Bush's increase in popularity? I think the polls show that Bush remains at no more than low 30's in job approval percentage -- an historically abysmal number. Furthermore, Bush seems to me increasing irrelevant and, frankly, a bit pathetic. I'm sure he'll use his final year to try and push through desperate regulatory measures by executive order, especially ones that help big business by easing pollution, safety and other regulations. But otherwise, I suspect he'll just blink, shrug and giggle his way to a whimpering end.
Turd is a non-working, kiss-ass hack.
He never earned a honest dollar in his miserable life.
Boy genius my ass.
UR MATHS HAZ A FLAVUR. NOM NOM NOM.
Poncias Pilate @ 27:
Right. So why is The Left so smug about 08? I hate the RePugs with every bone in my body. But to think for one minute Rove is not significant is to be foolish. I personally believe The Democrats are setting themselves up for failure. You can call Rove all the names You wish. Unfortunately,others have before and were losers.
curtilingus @ 33:
And it's darn infuriating! Neither one of them will "play" with corporate America so they are shunned by the owners.
And as for showing the president some respect... almost sounds like Karl is making a threat to me.
OT, but I know Steve has done some posts on Lou Dobbs before - Dobbs was the guest on DemocracyNow! this morning. Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez really lit into him on the lack of fact checking on his show, his regular sowing of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt on immigration matters, and forced him to admit some of his more egregious errors.
Particularly fun is the segment where they play his interview with Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" where Dobbs says "I can tell you this: if we reported it, it’s a fact." and then play a clip of a speech by the racist that was the source for his "fact" - that illegal immigrants were responsible for a huge jump in the number of cases of leprosy (supposedly 7000 cases in three years). You can't make this stuff up.
Ali @ 38:
...and the fact that one is the epitome of liberal (Kucinich) and the other is the definition of conservative (Paul), goes to show that it's no longer about left and right, it's about top and bottom.
mudshark @ 14:
You got that right.
They will depict turd as looking like that big pile of shit from movie Weird Science.
ja karl, ja! ve vill follow zoo until za death!
...jeff gannon...visits..
Disrespectful to Bush? Hello? What has the man ever done to merit respect? Has he ever succeeded at anything in his life? Has he ever told the truth? Does he have respect for anyone else? Is there a sound reason not to hold him in contempt?
Oh, I almost forgot...this is Karl Rove talking. Now it makes sense.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/04/contempt-vote-against-rove-set-for-t... KKKarls time is running out.....if anything comes of this remains to be seen....but it's a start
The criminal Karl Rove has to support Bush. In supporting Bush, he justifies himself and his life to himself. One thing he, as a sociopath, will never, ever do is conduct an honest self-assessment. It isn't going to happen. Supporting and justifying Bush becomes a self-serving act of providing himself an escape from the odious and unthinkable task of looking at himself as he actually exists. It allows him to continue with the fantasy that he is an upright man of moral character and high integrity.
Thus, his estrangement from reality will continue. Rove is a living example of how the crime can also be the punishment.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/04/contempt-vote-against-rove-set-for-t...
off topic----
site monitor could you look at the "comments" of the article "Another Sensitive Gitmo Manual Leak"
when i click comments-nothing.
sorry, but this is quicker than e-mail.
is probably a paraphrase (for public consumption) of
Who knows if he can still deliver on the threat.
Karl Rove, is so pathetic, he and his party are history for a long time too come and he cannot see the writing on the wall, lives in his little world of delusion, that they will go down in history as great men, but in reality they over saw the destruction of american economy, dollar at its worst level in historical times, deficit worst it has been in 200 years, a fiasco war we cannot seem too find a way too end in Iraq, not too mention the blood on their hands, 600,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians, 4,000 plus dead brave amerians, 30,000 plus wounded, maimed, crippled for life both physically and mentally brave soldiers too boot, yes history will write them as what they are, evil men who used any means too gain power, hold onto it, and Bush and his little brain Rove are as far removed from god and jesus as one can be, judgment day will not be kind too them or their worshippers and followers...
Am I the only one losing the page ?..having a difficult time posting.
Wow. That's a threat, and not a thinly veiled one, either.
Rove misses Gannon, and he's becoming hysterical in his outbursts.
Rove's last gasp at preventing war crimes tribunals and criminal indictments for treason...fading into the sunset as his commander-guy chief lies about more ficticious wmds in iran.
Congress, arrest these traitors!
God, KKKarl just doesn't get it, he's NOT RELEVANT anymore. Wonder what dastardly thing he's going to do to all the Republicans who are going to lose no matter what?
rjj @ 49:
Maybe Rove can star in a reality tv show about the Republican mafia.
“Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price, and they need to understand that,” said Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s former top political adviser.
Until there is no longer a traitor sitting in the Oval office; once an American take s the office...
enough @ 11:
Barack Obama is listening to him. Rove's advising Obama on how to defeat Hil.
Karl's advice is intellectual leprosy
Just go away, AssRove
Karl's warning to GOP candidates: Thanks to me---you are FUCKED.
And I wouldn't touch Dumya with a 39 1/2 mile long pole.
We will soon be facing the great political battle of our generation. I am reading Chris Hedge's book, American Fascists. There is still a formidable group of ultra-conservative, Christian fascists who would enslave the world. Pat Robertson, John Rushdoony, and Gary North are some of their key leaders. They have totally lost touch with reality. They do not fear the 'non-believers'. In their view, America will become a theocracy. Those who do not subscribe to the new christian social order, will be shown to the border. Capital crimes will include having, or performing an abortion. Felonies will include profanity, failure to tithe (or forced tithing - like a payroll deduction), criticism of government, adultery. The 10 commandments will replace the constitution and bill of rights.
I am not suggesting that just being a Christian, makes one guilty of supporting these ideas. I think most classical denominations do not. In fact, there has been considerable in-fighting among those who still believe in America, and our Country's core values, and those who believe that the Bible, taken verbatim, supersedes the laws written by men. Carl Rove is one of those who supports the latter view. Eric Prince is another. There is a sizable list of men/women who came to power with Bush, who believe in an American theocracy. They bring a great deal of clout with them. From the media world, they have the Murdoch, Redstone ilk. From the corporate world they have W-Mart, Tyson, Amway (and many more). From the political world they have a large percentage of the republican congress and most of the current administration.
So, Rove feels he can be smug. His side has been gaining momentum for nearly a decade. What he and his cohorts did not count on was the power of the American citizen to stand-up and call BS. The internet has given us the tool to unite, and expose that has been happening. Sites like this one, allow us to learn what used to be hidden from us. The 'raging peasant army' has awakened. Those who are jumping ship, from the USS Republican, can see the future coming down. Rove is headed for jail.
"If Dems are really lucky, Republicans will...take his advice."
I can dream.
Come on Biden. Do we really have to wait until this clown gets froggy with his "bring it on attitude" to impeach him. If we wait there may be no country or congress left to impeach the bum. He's a proven loser and now the dems are waiting until he does the last part of his dirty deed in taking the country down before they are willing to impeach. He needs to be impeached today. which candidate is saying that now and has said it from the very beginning. Kuncinich. The way the media has discounted him, is he even a force any more.
Let's just let K-K-Karl to be forgotten shouldn't we and not trump up his "foil" to kos.
Canard
Yes, Embrace the Bush.... then maybe we can right this listing ship.
Bush's Brain has lost his mind...
ppl may not approve of his job in iraq, but im sure they approve of his tax cuts and consevrative supreme court nominations. I dont htink Karl's advice is bad.
also, dont count out the republicans, they're platform for lowering taxes is very reasonable and persuasive, which makes them so strong in so many places.
“Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price, and they need to understand that,” said Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s former top political adviser.
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WTF? Since when do the letters USA stand for "the United States of Authoritarianism"? And people still wonder why progressives think that we're living in a semi-dictatorship, when someone makes a comment like that...?
Rove doesn't realize that, unless votes are stolen, his campaign ideas are worthless.
Time rejected Rove as a columnist.
Radar reports that, prior to securing a spot as a Newsweek columnist, Karl Rove approached Time magazine for a job. Time, however, rejected Rove as “essentially like an unindicted coconspirator in a whole host of felonies”:
Time’s editors apparently felt the cost/benefit analysis wouldn’t be in their favor if they embraced the man who has done more than anyone to keep the spirit of Joe McCarthy alive and well in American politics. … “They think Karl is essentially like an unindicted coconspirator in a whole string of felonies.”
11-20-2007 4:22 pm | Comment (38)
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/20/time-rejected-rove-as-a-columnist/#c...
I hate to have to be the one to tell you Rovie - but you're WRONG.
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Rove is not urging Republicans not to distance themselves from the president. He is threatening them. I think the Republican party has lost it's mind.
The only thing you can buy that is made in America is our representatives. Will this nightmare ever end?
SHHHHHH!!!!!! Don't TELL him!
What exactly is Rove threatening? That anyone who runs away from Baby Caligula will be severely punished after martial law is declared? These are the last sputterings of a desperate, felonious asshole who, if there is any justice at all, will wind up in prison for the rest of his life.
Sounds to me like Rove's veiled threat to have any candidate who becomes to disrespectful swift-boated by GW's shills.
Rove spoke at Duke Monday night, my old school, I'm ashamed to report.
He collected a fat paycheck for moving his mouth (a.k.a. lying) for an hour or so.
Many of the trust-fund babies, Freepers, and bow-tie wearers in the mostly Duke student body audience (according to the tone of most letters in the Duke newspaper), considered Karl a great American.
The moral: if shit sells, sell shit.
I'm just sorry so many of our young people--even now for God's sake--are still buying Rove's shit.
“Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price, and they need to understand that,” said Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush’s former top political adviser.
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Upon reflection, it occurs to me that statement could be interpreted in more than one way -- depending on whether he meant the President with a capital P (meaning George W. Bush specifically) or with a small p (meaning the office in general and not specifically George W. Bush). Since it's infinitely more likely that he meant the former and not the latter, it will be interesting to see how long it will take Rove to do an about-face on that statement if the person who's elected in 2008 turns out not to be from the Republican Party...
RasslinGod @ 67:
his advice did work to steal an election,and the rest has been abysmal.and now he's a has been....who just doesn't get it yet.
RasslinGod @ 68:
this one is so old.....they always say that....funny thing is it took a dem to balance the books.and after all that spending....their going to have to raise taxes.....and you can thank a repug for that one.
ONLY PROBLEM IS...... THEIR ARMS AREN'T LONG ENOUGH!!!!!
Hey Karl Rove, you ignorant America hating scum sucking piece of shit, your pResident is an ignorant America hating scum sucking piece of shit just like you. Is that disrespectful enough for you, you stinking pile of rotted garbage?
Rove is just lonely, and wants people to listen to him.
Pretty soon, the only way he's going to get that is to pay school kids to hear him read 'My Pet Goat'.
"Squeal like a pig..."
That's the point. GWB has been the most sucessful president ever, in serving his corporate masters. Among those he serves, he is plenty popular.
When you play the game, you have to play the cards you are dealt, even if your cards are not what you would like. It doesn't matter if you're a democrat or republican, you don't give the opposition any reason to cheer, before the votes are counted.
No, Karl, not that I give a shit either way, but that keeping Bush at arms length??? Not a mistake dude... Between you and Lee Atwater, this whole politics of division bullshit has just about played itself into the same ditch you motherfuckers have managed to drive the nation into.... Why don't you be a good little fatboy now, and FUCK OFF!!!!! JD
Bush uses Rove's BALD head as a map for world war 3
IF I were a Republican politician running for President I would have to ask myself: Who would dare smear me for saying "I will NOT be a Chimpy McFlightsuit!"
I swear I saw Karl at the local game hangout playing some dungeons and dragons. I think he was using his Orcs and Goblins playset.
President Bush, down and all but counted out by friend and foe alike
Friends?!? Who the fuck is he friends with? Sucking Bandar's wee wee doesn't count, he has to do that as part of his family obligations.
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