CIA destroys incriminating interrogation tapes
By Steve Benen Thursday Dec 06, 2007 7:12amGiven the last seven years, expectations are already low for the administration that’s never seen justice it didn’t want to obstruct. But intentionally destroying evidence of a possible crime, in the midst of ongoing legal inquiries, suggests the Bush gang’s contempt for the rule of law can’t get much worse.
The Central Intelligence Agency in 2005 destroyed at least two videotapes documenting the interrogation of two Qaeda operatives in the agency’s custody, a step it took in the midst of Congressional and legal scrutiny about its secret detention program, according to current and former government officials.
The videotapes showed agency operatives in 2002 subjecting terrorism suspects — including Abu Zubaydah, the first detainee in C.I.A. custody — to severe interrogation techniques. The tapes were destroyed in part because officers were concerned that video showing harsh interrogation methods could expose agency officials to legal risks, several officials said. [...]
The destruction of the tapes raises questions about whether agency officials withheld information from Congress, the courts and the Sept. 11 commission about aspects of the program.
Indeed, it arguably does more than just “raise questions”; it may point to actual criminal wrongdoing, intended to cover up more criminal wrongdoing. As Sullivan put it, “What defines [a banana] republic? How about an executive that ignores the rule of law, commits war-crimes and then destroys the actual evidence? … We live in a country where the government can detain indefinitely, torture in secret, and then secretly destroy the tapes of torture sessions to protect its own staff.”
Time for the Justice Department to launch a criminal investigation? Marcy Wheeler explains: "AG Mukasey has a mighty big headache on his hands, a clear case of obstruction of justice involving Goss and a bunch of other people. I guess we won't have long to wait to see whether he's willing to spike investigations for the Unitary Executive."
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Maybe it would show situations that are worse than the Abu Graib pictures.
And with the sound of screaming and panic it might even make people reconsider if this isn't really torture...
Damn...this shit never ends!
oh and Foist.
Curses...foiled again!
liberalNmoderation @ 3:
and I took my time typing all that :-)
Why were the tapes destroyed if they were doing nothing illegal? They could very easily block out the faces of the interrogators.... sounds like in fact they WERE doing something very ILLEGAL......
There's no Tom Jefferson in the middle east, and apparently no John Dean in the current admistration.
Maybe Canada will invade us in order to restore democracy. That would be a nice change from us trying to invade them (2, maybe 3 times in the past)
Here's the real scoop: CIA DESTROYED TAPES OF CHENEY TORTURING TENET
€Punk @ 4:
hehehe, evidently I did too. :)
Bush was voted in twice, Dana would argue that the people voted to let the president be above the law.
below_me @ 5:
Yes...very illegal, and likely VERY disturbing.
paranoia @ 10:
bush was NEVER voted in.... he was SELECTED... HUGE difference.
I call BULLSHIT on them
And if Pat TILLMAN wasn't murdered he would call bullshit on them to .
Your mission, should you choose to select it...this tape will self-destruct...
yesterday.
This just in...CIA destroyed tapes of Ashcroft torturing Let the Eagle Soar.
The CIA destroyed the interrogation tapes because they did not want to "compromise
and inadvertely disclosed the identify of CIA operatives"
Now we would not want that to happen, would we Valerie Plame????
By the way, I bet Rose Mary Woods would understand the need to destory. (Humor
intended)
Well, let's just see which people on Captiol Hill knew about the tapes and will lie about how much they knew. I am losing faith in them all.
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It's time for some real Congressional investigations as well. Sadly, too many are running for President to do their jobs in Congress.
Ricky Bones @ 18:
Based upon what has been made public thus far, ONLY two persons in Congress
were informed by the CIA of the destrustion of the video tapes; being Pat Roberts,
Chairman of the Senate Intellegence Committee and the Chairman of the House Intel.
Committee(cannot recall who that person was in 2005); however both,just coincidentally
I'm sure, were Repugs and both strong supporters of bush's war in Iraq.
As I understand it, Jane Harman defiantly whispered quietly that she may disagree with the decision to destroy these tapes. I just think we should recognize these American Heros on the Democrat side who put their loyalty to Republicans at risk by gently indicating they may have a disagreement on a policy.
Why in the world are you quoting that miscreant Andrew Sullivan? Are memories that short? Or is it time to forgive and forget his part in drumming up support for the Iraq invasion? I don't give a rat's ass if he's seen the light or not (he hasn't - it's readership and ego). That's all that's out there? Almost as bad as the WP giving Bolton and Krauthammer pulpits.
Quite revolting. Truly.
ysbaddaden @ 16:
I must have missed this; but did see that someone within this admin. has destroyed
the verbal tapes of Gonzo tortuing Ashcroft while he was in the hospital
ysbaddaden @ 16:
I saw a clip of him singing once. That was torture. NOW THAT MADE ME SORE.
Don't you wish the last seven+ years was just a figment, on tape, and we could erase it?
...were destroyed in part because officers were concerned that video showing harsh interrogation methods could expose agency officials to legal risks...
Maybe just me, but that sure reads like a confession to obstruction of justice.
Why yes! We'll put all of our resources into learning the truth behind.... Holy Cow! Is that Tommy Chong over there!!!
Some idiot told Ashcroft it would look good if he had a real, live eagle next to him the next time he sang 'Let the Eagle Soar', so he did, and it shat all over his head.
Apparently, eagles are critics, too.
Preacher Boob @ 29:
Let the eagle score. ;)
I haven't got time for this nonsense. I'm more concerned about who Jesus loves the most, Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney. (snark)
If they thought there were "legal risks" that tells us all we need to know.
It could have been worse, the last time the CIA 'big boys' played with tape, it was duct tape, and they renditioned 28 low-level CIA staffers to Romania.
Would the CIA torture Jesus?
bill w @ 30:
Good for the eagle. Ashcroft is, isn't he, the same person who attempted and eventually
failed, to cover the breast of a statue in the Capitol Bldg. because it was "unseemingly"?
Talk about a boob.
hmmmmm???? I wonder where they got the idea to shred or destroy the tapes?
Given that the neo-clowns ordered the torture because they wanted their kidnapping victims deemed "guilty until proven innocent", those who destroy evidence should also be guilty until proven innocent.
Unless the CIA can prove there's something on the tapes that is damaging to national security, they should be deemed guilty...but of course, they can't prove there's anything on the tapes since they destroyed them. I guess that means they're guilty.
sharkcellar @ 33:
You betcha! They'd vivisect him too. You know...to see what the innards of a deity look like...for science!
With today's advances in neuro-science, and particularly the study of the brain, if we could find the head CIA guy, who saw what was on the destroyed tapes, we could reconstruct the tapes.
Of course, we'd have to strap him down, run him through an MRI and CT scan, put a bunch of electrodes on his scalp, and dissect his brain, but that would be a small price to pay.
And we could tape the whole process, and seal it away in the archives.
paranoia @ 10:
Not so. Appointed the first time and Ohio was the site of a horrenous fraud the second time.
I think when the impeachments finally come through, I'm going to throw the biggest party you ever saw,...
brando @ 23:
I too, cannot bring myself to read sully anymore; he disgusts me; but, he had the soundbyte this time: banana republic. Kind of says it all. One clever summation however, does not a blogger that I can trust to be truly discriminating make.
I would say that this story is the final straw. But I've been saying that for years . . .
Doggiebobo @ 34:
Is it just me but in this day and age I can't imagine the CIA walking around with VIDEO Cameras, Digital recorders yes, but VHS Camcorders? I don't think so! Oh on second thought, after remembering that they couldn't do a search using multiple words on their servers maybe they used BetaMax recorders!
Seriously, VHS Tapes, BUllSHit! You're in a digital age, I can't imagine James Bond walking around with a CamCorder strapped to his wrist! I want to see the backups of the servers baby!
Doggiebobo @ 34:
Yeah, it bothered Larry Craig.
Now if it had been a naked statue of Adonis, then no problem.
Carol @ 41:
Well, it looks like Condi is trying to convince Putin that Iran should not have a peaceful nuclear energy program.
They sure want Iran's oil fields bad.
So, what's going on here?
Is this a rank-and-file defection in the military/intelligence community, or is this stuff being fed from the top?
I mean, it's not like Cheney and his industry chronies actually have feelings for Bush or anything, they'd throw him under the bus in a minute to save their own asses.
This can't just be another Watergate, where the nation throws out one rotten egg and leaves 11 more in the fridge. We can see how that played out in front of us right now. All the same people, all the same lies, all the same dirty tricks.
We need to identify and remove the cancer this time, instead of just taking an aspirin.
ho hum......just more criminal behavior ...hmmmm? Do you think anyone will notice?..this time.
Doggiebobo @ 45:
They are relieved that the evidence is gone. Now there's nothing to do.
Back to arguing about important things like, the price of haircuts.
Weaseldog @ 44:
No, he successfully draped a naked statue of Justice for his entire tenure at the Justice Department. That was just his symbolic way of denying Justice.
This all leads back to Nixon.
Baby Bush's feelings were hurt when he overheard some people talking in the rest room stall next to his, and they said, 'Yeah, Bush is a real fu*k-up, but he can't hold a candle to Dick Nixon'. (This was early-on in the Bush administration, in fact, on the first inauguration day)
Ever since, The Dummy has been trying to outdo Nixon.
Remember the 28-minute gap in the Watergate tapes, when Rosemary Woods, Nixon's secretary, 'accidentally' left her foot on the Dictaphone controller, and erased the tape, as she was 'leaning back to arrange the roses'?
(The roses, incidentally, her boss had sent her as an incentive to erase the tape)
Anyway, this CIA-thing is Bush's latest attempt to outdo Nixon.
Unfortunately, his next Nixon-beating move is liable to be the Preposterous Putz giving us all the 'V for victory' salute, as he climbs into the Marine 1 helicopter for a flight to Warm Springs, to relax after his victorious coup, supported by Blackwater and Olmert's praetorian guard, of the US government.
xoites defends Constitution @ 50:
Ever since his 'retirement', Ashcroft has been running around, to church after church, painting over the nipples on Jesus On The Cross, on all their statues. (is it 'statues', or 'idols'?)
liberalNmoderation @ 37:
Sure Jews, Palestinians, what's the difference?
Kill them all let God sort them out.
Preacher Boob @ 52:
Icon.
I really don't know how some of you can yuck it up about this. We are at a critical point in our history where democracy is on the verge of being destroyed and in it's place will be a dictatorship complete with secret police, disappeared citizens, torture prisons, and few civil liberties. The president has the authority right now to declare anyone of us an enemy combatant and have us imprisoned without trial or due process. Anyone of us. Go on, yuck it up.
more at my blog...
We are in the hands of criminals.
Happy Holidays.
Liberal AND Proud @ 56:
There you go again, attacking Christmas!
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I have to "yuck it up" some times or else all of this will drive me insane. It's called, comic relief.
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 55:
Without a sense of humor, we'd all be in need of phyciatric help.
Doggiebobo @ 59:
Ditto to that! :)
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 55:
I am always dead serious, you can ask anybody.
xoites defends Constitution @ 57:
Hey Xoites...you've been watching tooooo much of Bill O'Liely.
BAWAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...their destroying tapes again....hahahahahahahahah...so what else is new?.......you'd think that they would of switched from 8 tracks by now.but in all seriousness.......I frickin hope some one notices,and says something.I suspect we'll be seeing alot more of this kind of behavior in the next(and Last year for the dimwit)year.
>7 Barbara Key Says:
Maybe Canada will invade us in order to restore democracy. That would be a nice change from us trying to invade them (2, maybe 3 times in the past)
We burnt down the White House after looting it ... isnt that enough? Sheesh...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
Doggiebobo @ 62:
Actually, outside of clips on C&L i have never watched him. I can't listen to Rush either. Call me intolerant.
mudshark @ 63:
Good point. I wonder at time if there will be "anything" to put into the bush library
inasmuch as destruction of papers(including lives in Afghan/Iraq)will undoubtedly be
a top priority until Jan. 09.
xoites defends Constitution @ 65:
pissed off patricia @ 60:
Triple ditto! Some folks cope with adverse conditions with humor.
these war criminals have destroyed our country. They want us to be a nation of men instead of laws
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 55:
It's the last dance.
Enjoy the party.
Eat, drink and be merry. For tomorrow we may die.
Weaseldog @ 70:
Speak for yourself...I have dug myself a deep, reinforced basement; stocked w/
duct tape, plastic, food & water and "come out" occassionally to see if it is daytime
or night and then scurry back to safety.
And your point is?
Let's see. - failing to comply with subpoenas and destruction of evidence.
What about congress? Where is congress?
What about the corporate media? Dead blonds and O.J. are much more important to our nation-state, right?
So what's an American to do? I'm struggling to pay my sub-prime loan on a minimum wage job!
Pah-leeze!
Doggiebobo @ 71:
You are the Vice President?
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Criminal wrongdoing? By the Busholini misAdministration? I'm glad I was sitting down when I read this.
xoites defends Constitution @ 73:
You made me LMAO.
I appreciate that many of you can use humor to get through this. I wish I could join you in the way you cope but I see too many parallels to previous dictatorial regimes.
As someone whose family had many people killed in concentration camps I can't look at this without noticing the many similarities. I'm not saying that will happen here, but less extreme suffering is a most likely possibility. Remember that we had interment camps here before. History has a terrible way of repeating itself.
i wonder if we the people will ever truely know just how much evidence has been destroyed under this administration. UFB
Regarding the Zubaydah videos, harsh interrogation techniques might not be the only remarkable thing on those tapes. Could the administration once again be trying to deep-six evidence implicating their bestest oil buddies in the Middle East? Check out "Part 4" here for some background:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 77:
So, you are recommending we do precisely what? Many of us have been actively
involved for the past 6 plus years in expressing our discontent w/this admin. to our
respective Congressional members, writing Letters to the Editor of local papers, attending
rallies, etc. The only resolve I can see is waiting for Nov. 08, (tossing ALL the rascels
out) and start anew come Jan. 09.
If Pelosi and Reid were running the politburo back in 1924, Stalin wouldn't have waited 6 years after Lenin died and taken 7 years to purge it. He would have shot them all in one morning and then gone to lunch.
Democrats are just weak, corporate lackeys, waiting for their turn at the trough.
Um, can anyone say "Watergate?" This is the exact same kind of scenario with one large exception -- our society is so deeply divided now that I don't know if we can unite against yet another absolute crime.
There's been so many with this administration, I think many people are simply exhausted. It's difficult to keep up the outrage when -- several times a day -- there's something to be angry about.
Doggiebobo @ 71:
But you have a kick butt stereo, wet bar and mirror ball, right?
Is this action any different from that you've seen in old war movies when the Nazis were shown burning all documents as they were being overtaken?
You do these things for one reason and one reason only......so nobody else EVER sees them and why? 2 reasons;
1- they are incriminating for the enemy to see
or
2- they are incriminating for the people you trust to see!!!
And you're doing something that others should never see....it's wrong.- R M NIXON- Aug 9th-1974
There's no escaping some things folks........it really is that simple.
Sorry about the bad grammar.
I also thought of another exception:
President Bush simply can't be pressured into admitting wrongdoing.
Those that like him this is this a virtue.
Those that don't, mourn.
mudshark @ 48:
Spot on. I don't see where it makes any difference. If anyone was going to do anything about these shameless criminals, they definitely would have done so by now. Nope, this is now merely a matter for historians to study.
i guess every bodys forgot something even more disturbing then these cia video tapes, remember when the first tapes on abugrab came out and how shocked you were? then information leaked out that thier were videos and pictures of children being raped and sodomized by our interriogaters? oh you forgot ? and they had pics of children being raped in front of thier parents in order to get them to tell what ever the parents knew! oh you forgot that did you? then the pentagon said they would release thoes videos and picks of children being raped and didnt ! oh yeah you forgot that didnt you?
tjb @ 14:
Thank you for mentioning once again the name of Pat Tillman. He's been all but forgotten as the crimes against humanity have piled up over the past several months. And how's that friendly fire investigation going? MSM? A bronze statue of Tillman should be commissioned to greet visitors at the front entrance to Junior's phone-booth sized library.
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 77:
Dave, you aren't the only one who sees the very frightening similarities between this BushCo administration, and various dictatorial regimes. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm doing what I can, given the limited resources I have. I'm donating to certain political organizations that are better at getting the word out than I am. I've donated to several presidential campaigns who I like. And talk about what BushCo and pals are doing to friends, family, and strangers whenever I can...but most don't want to hear the ugly truth. They want their creature comforts. They want convenience.
Frankly, Dave, I don't know what else to do. Any suggestions from you or anyone else, are welcome. We ALL need to get involved. And sometimes when the bad news just doesn't stop, humor is often the best way to deal with it, until we can get our heads around the situation. Dig? :)
liberalNmoderation @ 37:
Then they ship him off to the local loony bin.
tyree @ 87:
Look to the MSM for failing to follow up/pursue these atrocities. Instead, they can
repeatedly show videos of bush-lite on the Carrier w/"Mission Accomplished" banner,
toppling of the S. Hussin statue in Bagdhad(staged), and telling us our wonderful well
the "Surge" is going. Oh yes, and of course continued coverage of Britney, O.J. Paris,
et.al. They, the main stream media, are the ones who are more so than ANYONE,
failing to meet their responsiblity and give us us "news" and not entertainment.
CIA starting conflicts so other countries don't have to.
I want to thank all the democratis enablers and excusers for the continuing revelations of how America has been fucked. I must confess some relief that almost all of us have been subjected to this equally.
Almost all of us.
We are now more equal within this society as we race to the bottom. Dumber, lazier and more cravenly attached to our few meaningless things. That would include our keyboards.
xoites defends Constitution @ 73:
I think he's rumsfeld, to be sure...
Hmmm...
The CIA destroys tapes in 2005 (no doubt) but this isn't leaked to the NY Times (the paper the VP's office has on it's fax machine speed dial) until AFTER the NIE on Iran is released making Bush and Cheney look rather foolish.
Hmmm...
CoIntelPro @ 93:
democratis
correction: democratic
revko @ 95:
Look! .... Over here!
revko @ 95:
Exactly!
Sen. Dick Durbin is speaking on the matter right now on C-SPAN2
Dave @ 77we're all angry, damn it! The new and improved (humane) concentration camps will involve no large scale mass murder just sort of like being buried alive for the rest of your life with no means to commit suicide.These are sick pups ,that although completely againest capitol punishment,I feel these people need to be removed to these sites they have created for us.Sorta like what happened in Esther to Mordecai and his family on the gallows they built for others.I don't know about you but sir,but I've just begun to fight and intend to defend PAT TILLMAN to the end. The end being cutting out the cancer before it consumes us.
moonsha @ 98:
Wooohoooo. Durbin is going to send a letter seeking an investigation as to the destruction
of records. Wonder how strongly worded his letter will be?
On the radio I heard that one of the official reasons for destroying the tapes was "legal reasons". That sounds ominously like an admission of obstruction of justice.
OT:Senate failed to pass the Energy Bill, with five Repugs voting "Nay" and both Independents voting likewise. Bill requires 60 votes; receiving 52 ayes and 48 nays.
Doggiebobo @ 102:
Error: My count tablulation is not correct. Will seek official vote as soon as possible.
liberalNmoderation @ 89:
I concur with you guys. Whenever I speak to friends and some family about how fubar the last 7 years have been and what criminals the Bushitistas are they think I'm obsessed with the subject. Most of the sheeple, unfortunately, don't realize how bad things are -- or they are afraid to admit it -- and would rather, as has been previously said -- continue living in their comfort bubbles.
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 55:
I was just about to ask myself, "Are you just an old curmudgeon these days?", when I read your comment. Thanks. At least I'm not the only one. This is NOTHING to joke about!
WTF?!
Whar be them dang ol' comments y'all?
I dread getting up in the morning. Every day brings more sadness to what this country has become. This is the greatest country in the world and Bush and this administration are hell bent to destroy it! I don't think we can wait for another 13 months for this corrupt cabal to get out of office. I pray every day that we can come together as Americans and restore our image.
The graphic atop the NYTimes article reveals an interesting spin on the story.
The impact of the revelations could have sent the writer in many different directions.
Editorial policy decides these matters.
From a CBC interview with Hamilton in 06.
Yeah. A lot of things that came to the attention of staff did not come to the attention of the Commission. Some of the things did come to the attention of the Commission, and we didn't put 'em in, or at least we put 'em in at a lower level. But many of the things did not come directly to my attention.
http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html
You mean to say that Clinton never did this ?!! That's hogwash.
Dr. Acula @ 104:
Yeah I get laughed at by some people when I say fascist and BushCo in the same sentence. Or when I wear my politcal, anti-Bush t-shirts, some folks look at me like I've just come up from hell with my head on fire.
They're too damn busy being good little consumers to see what's going on...they are sheeple indeed. And I weep for my country.
DJ @ 109:
Did WHAT, exactly?
tyree @ 87:
No one has "forgotten," we've just been bombarded with one atrocity after another. Remember that when Abu Ghraib was first being discussed seriously in Congress, a video was released showing the beheading of poor Nick Berg, which caused such an outrage among America and it was such a news-grabbing headline for our so-called MSM, that all attention was deflected away from the atrocities of Abu Ghraib. So I have to wonder, what kind of dark ops is the bush administration planning to deflect from the recent revelations of the NIE and now the deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence of so-called "harsh" interrogations? What poor soul, or group of souls, will be sacrificed to maintain their grip on power?
DJ @ 109:
Sticks and stones....I want YOU to answer your own question and give me/us facts
and evidence...not just some bsing.
Straight Shooter @ 112:
Those dark ops will undoubtedly be the false flag op that will give BushCo the "reasoning" he needs to declare martial law and suspend elections...I hope like hell I'm wrong though!
"The tapes were destroyed in part because officers were concerned that video showing harsh interrogation methods could expose agency officials to legal risks, several officials..."
Jesus!! WTF?? Those agency officials should be exposed to legal risks... the effers should be in jail!
Hayden believes the destruction of the tapes is legal because Rizzo says so.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 116:
Sorry, here's the link.
Bob @ 43:
That's an interesting point. I am not a geek (INAG?). They've always claimed that the FBI computer system is way behind times, but that might be a red herring to make them look as if they don't have the latest technology and therefore able to cover up any incompetence with that excuse. I am hoping that there is at least one whistleblower in the CIA who has squirreled away a copy of whatever it is for a day when it can be brought to daylight. With Scott Block wiping out his hard drives to a 7th level, though, we may have to depend on the oldest method of all, oral witness.
Dr. Acula @ 111:
Fell unconscious while choking on a pretzel. Heck, I'm sure that even Thomas Jefferson did that when he was Prez.
Doggiebobo @ 21:
Doggie, the House committee was chaired by Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich at the time. I just read in the Chicago Tribune that he "doesn't recall" being advised that the tapes could be destroyed in the future, but the minority leader on the committee, Jane Harman, says she protested in writing at the time. It's interesting that her counterpart on the Senate side, Jay Rockefeller, was also informed that the tapes could be destroyed, but there is no indication that he protested in writing or otherwise. Are you sure when the make-up of the Congress changes in 2009 that the new "scoundrels" will be any better than the old? I think if Mukasey covers up or supports this destruction of evidence as well as not orders the WH to turn over its materials on the Plame case, that Schumer and Feinstein are going to have to be forced to resign somehow.
CIA cover up, not protecting their alleged agents from assassination, any idiot knows if they have the tapes, they can blurr the faces of the CIA officers, but the real reason is getting rid of evidence of war crimes, torture, since they know their man in white house is leaving in 2008, and not one republican candidate has a snow balls chance in hades of winning in 2008, and likely more democrats will take republican seats in congress/senate and the old saying dung rolls down hill is well known, and one can bet if any investigation or indictments were handed down those who did the torture would be first on the list, so the CIA commanders know if they do not want too be accused by underlings for ordering these crimes, they had best destroy the video evidence, and of course one can speculate if the orders too destroy these videos might have come from the very top, since war crimes can be charged post election when no republican sits in any power position too give immunity, pardons, 2009 when the democrats take white house, total control of congress/senate is a time too bring all these rascals too justice with no mercy, no pardons, no get out of jail free cards...., if anyone has learned anything about Nixon, era, impeachment is not the way, but investigate, indict when these rascals leave office and have no pardon power...
If a crime has been committed then WE need to Arrest and Try the perpitraitors, no matter who or what they are, but OUTING A CIA AGENT, WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL FOR SOME CRIME, OR FOR POLITICAL GAIN, IS TREASION AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and DEMAD IMPEACHMENT.
The scandals just never stop with this administration, yet all of us just roll over to another day and go on with our business while everything we once knew was great about this country is grounded to dust.
13 Martyrs
http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/
if hillerys elected thier will be no prosacution of the bush crime familly, her and bill have been haveing brunch with babs and poppy bush before bill lights up his cigar and climbs into the golf kart with old man bush for eighteen holes of sheer ass kissing!
The head of the CIA should be gone....probably yesterday. Along with the people who destroyed 10 million White House e-mails and the Carl Rove/Cheney misinformation claque. These people have destroyed the history of this country to cover their own dastardly behaviors. Well, Richard Nixon was good for something. He taught these guys to leave no evidence behind.
if hillry clintons elected forget any trials of the bush thugs, hillery and bill have been enjoying to many brunches with babs and poppy bush!!!!!!
sorry for the double post ,the first didnt show up till now!
I wonder how long the judicial system would function if it routinely winked at felons destroying incriminating evidence. Not long. Then the Republicans could ramp up there old standby, the 'law and order' campaign.
Like I have said before, just the fact this criminal Administration uses waterboarding...you KNOW they are doing MUCH worse. That makes our country no better than the enemy we are supposedly at war with.
Cheney and Bush should be tried for war crimes.
and congress will still do nothing about it...
Some things never change and some things just change for the worse.
We live under the growing and palpable cloud of Facism, but this seems to be as much cause for comedy as consternation.
I couldn't even get through the comments above.
Some folks are so ignorant it hurts to read thier words.
What is it they say about the goverment you all deserve?
Kinda funny in that it fits so well...
Bush owns Amerika with bullshit and games..... and it works.
"Cheney and Bush should be tried for war crimes...."
ANd hung right after they are found guilty?
Doggiebobo @ 80:
I have been doing those things these past 6+ years as well. What we need to do is to talk about these issues with people who don't already do what you and I do. The vast majority of people we know through work, school, family, etc., don't feel the same way - they've been anesthetized like so many others by TV, celebrity news, and political propaganda. Speak to your friends and family who are likely to vote republican and EDUCATE them on the real issues. That's what I recommend we do in addition to the protests, letters, and blogs. It's OK to show some passion over this, even if you are mocked. Our nation stands at a crossroads.
After so many years of this BushCo BS aren't we all war criminals - I mean we just wrung our hands (and made jokes)?
hey, who's surprised at this point. This is no different than the Bush flunkie destroying the recordings of the air traffic controllers descriptions of their 9/11 recollections. Gee, cover-up much?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/national/06CND-TAPE.html?ex=1399262400...
Chimpeach!!
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 134:
I don't have many in my family or circle of friends who are even considering voting republican. And the few friends I have that voted republican in the last two elections, are very ashamed of themselves and the state the republican party is in. One told me he's voting democrat in '08...
I do try to educate as many as will listen...though my public speaking skills are somewhat lacking. I did manage to speak to some much younger friends about a month ago, and dropped some science. I think I got through to 2 of 'em...but who knows. As long as I can get ONE person to question authority, to endeavor to find things on their own. Well that's something ain't it?
I'm no leader of anything, but I do what I can to be a positive element in this shitty world. And geez, people, sometimes we use humor as a pressure release mechanism, I personally, simply can't serious 100% of the time. I'd go batshit crazy!
Human @ 74:
[Perhaps if the commenting policy is too hard for you to grasp, you'd feel more comfortable posting elsewhere-Sitemonitor]
"White House press secretary Dana Perino said Friday that President Bush did not have any recollection about the tapes or about their destruction. But she could not rule out White House involvement in the tapes' destruction, saying that she asked only the president about it, not others." AP story
And, of course, the President would never lie. And as my Grandmother once said about a guy my mother dated, " He doesn't know where he crapped last."
We prefer to use in innuendo, irony and humour.
For evidence search this comment page for "9/11".
This is not a bad thing. Legitamacy et al.
Take comfort in the fact that the NYT has planted another seed of doubt in the official narrative.
Does anyone here think that the present exposure of the destruction of CIA torture videos is retaliation from the WH in response to the extraordinarily damaging revelation of Bush's sickening irresponsibility in escalating war rhetoric against Iran when the August NIE assessment blatantly contradicted his belligerence?
A country run by criminals. How nice!
x174 @ 143:
Who can be sure? But, if they want to rip each other to shreds, I'm fine with that. Looks good on the GOP/BushCo. Administration: all these lies being exposed, in time for November 2008.
Bush is Ossoma @ 135:
As you brought it up, yes you are.
Dr. Acula @ 111:
Clinton may have dome a lot of things (which are now irrelevent), but he never did "this" or "THAT". Besides, people liked Clinton: Bush is a lying turd.
Tom Kean on BBC right now. He seems a bit pissed.
Is there a written transcript of the confessions during the waterboarding with the near death rattles/choking included. I think that Rosemary Woods is once again working at the White House. We sadly lost in the past, spiteful, and out-of-touch with reality baby boomers remember a time when elected officials were impeached for letting their hired hands" erase" evidence. I long for the olden days even if this makes me trapped in the past and irrelevent.
The argument for keeping POWs at GTMO (and abusing them for information, regardless the accuracy of that info) was because of the "intelligence value". With the CIA tape destruction, that argument goes out the window: The tape, as a record, would serve -- in the future -- a valuable piece of information. Today, there's no telling what that "intelligence value" might be.
It's not consistent to argue for "prisoner abuse at GTMO/detain them without trial or chance to challenge", but then destroy the very thing that "justifies" the prisoner detention/abuse/no challenge: The CIA interrogation/torture tape. Real answer: Appears to be war crimes evidence on the tape; and the ICC jurisdiction over CIA personnel. JAGs warned DoJ and DoD leadership that ICC would have jurisdiction on prisoner abuse issues. [Check the memos from the JAG inputs related to the prisoner of war working group meetings involving DoJ and DoD. Senior officers in DoD were involved with the reviews (three/four star Generals/Admirals) of these meeting minutes/memoranda related to prisoner-treatment concerns of JAGs raised in 2001.]
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