Well, at least you can't say it's Clinton's fault.

the authoritarian cultists will memory hole this like they memory hole everything else

The Political Junkie @ 2:

Well, at least you can't say it's Clinton's fault.

They never could say that any of their crap was Clinton's fault, but that didn't stop them from saying it!

Maybe the bush girls should jiggle it to feel what these girls are feeling... stupid ass of president ... foret impeach, lets just hang ....

What the? Get my travel agent on the phone!

rash limpballs is already booking his flight.

Funny how their only choices are blowing us up or blowing us.

Yeah, we really did some cool liberatin', didn't we. (snark)

Yeah, and who is saying bush isnt creating jobs? scacasm/on

John Barringer @ 15:

Preacher Boob Says: Yet our faux-’christian’ NeoCon Zionist administration plunges blindly on, convinced it is ‘right’, doing ‘god’s’ work, conveyed directly into the ear of Preposterous Putz, hisownself. What a load of crap!

They're really not Zionists but Millennialists. What they're about is bringing on the End of Days. That intimately involves Israel since that's where Har Megiddo (Armageddon) is located. At Armageddon, according to Millennialist teaching, all the Jews will be given the choice of conversion to Christianity or slaughter.

This insanity offers an explanation for the Wingnuts' support for Israel's obviously self-destructive behavior. Every wall they erect, every orchard they bulldoze, every house they bomb is a step closer to Armageddon. So much for the Christianists' love for Zion.

What puzzles me is why the Israelis play footsie with these monsters. They know exactly what's behind the Neocon's "support" for Israel. They really have shaken hands with the Devil on this one!

Well, I don't think your average Israeli is actually very keen on it frankly. They're politicians are every bit as ugly as ours are frankly. (I've been doing some reading on the subject recently for exactly the reason you bring up "Why?")

But yes; these people are sick and deranged.

The worst part? Once again they're even going against their own religion. The Bible says that the end times are NOT something to be desired, that they'll be HORRIBLE even for the faithful... It also says its impossible for us to know when it'll happen, so trying to make it happen is just about the most retarded thing you can do from a Christian standpoint; let alone from a non-religious standpoint.

So yes, they're basically all a bunch of fucktards we should ship to the Sun.

The U.S. has just destroyed a country and the self-righteous assholes think they hold higher moral ground waving their flags and calling all critics unpatriotic. Couldn't help but notice this came from the British press, not U.S. press.

Well, I guess that's one good outcome of this horrible war. They are probably more free there than here where our strip clubs, in ny atleast, are so controlled to the point girls aren't even getting naked and wearing pasties. I go to Canada all the time for the strip clubs because at least you can touch and they'll do anything for the right price. Why are Americans so inhibited about sex?

amazing, how every day, it is more and more like Iowa.

Moralists might consider googling "The Virtues of Promiscuity" by Sally Lehrman, or the serious might try "Harmful to Minors" by Levine

budda @ 22:

Well, I guess that's one good outcome of this horrible war. They are probably more free there than here where our strip clubs, in ny atleast, are so controlled to the point girls aren't even getting naked and wearing pasties. I go to Canada all the time for the strip clubs because at least you can touch and they'll do anything for the right price. Why are Americans so inhibited about sex?

That's not the point of the article, Budda. In Canada, the young girls, for the most part, have a choice in the matter. If you ask a 16-year-old Canadian girl why she's doing the pole fandango, I'd be willing to be that at least a few of them will say it's because it beats flipping burgers. On the flipside of that, you have young Iraqis (I throw guys up in the mix, too; let's face it-- fundies of all types enjoy being hypocrites) turning to prostitution because it beats being moving targets.

Bush in no good for children. He goes to Iraq and they become prostitutes. He goes to Omaha and they lose their minds. You've seen the ABC News report that along with Bush, a Dept. of Homeland Security Official, was in Omaha the same day as the shootings took place. Awful!!

ABC NEWS CLIP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujqdtcg6sUg

Can't we all agree to put this unfortunate incident behind us?

Giuliani '08!

Just another notch on Bushco's lipstick case - everything that man touches turns into sh*t

I'm pretty sure the people in charge consider this a feature of the Iraqi invasion, not a problem with it.

Hey Rush,

Call your buddies from "24". Call your buddy who's got the Viagra. Get that private jet fueled and ready to go. There's underage action to be had in Syria. If you liked the DR, you'll just love Syria.

More "bush freedom". This man is disgusting, and his band of neocon thugs. The KGB, SS and any other disgusting, heinous group in history have nothing over these disgraceful sacks of shit.

May they all rot in hell.

But they're better off! What's a little rapie wapie when, if they ever get back to Iraq and if they can avoid being stoned for being a prostitute, they can vote! Yeah, they could do that before, but now they have REAL! CHOICES!

It is impossible to describe the disgust I feel for anyone that can stand up at this point and say the Iraqi people are better off. If they can still do so after reading this report... they need their humanity card revoked due to expiration.

And budda...strip clubs are to sex what you're Canadian exursions are to this topic. But that's probably the Puritan in me. Or maybe it's the female that doesn't see men in Syria or Saudi Arabia (or America or Canada) depending on the desperation of circumstance that sex workers face to supply you a steady stream of dick hardening entertainment as a joke.

capnmike @ 37:

OliverDreams @ 31:

This isn't just happening there.
Check the strip clubs across the US. See how many of them have single mothers who have found that dancing in strip clubs is the only way they can earn enough money to support their kids or provide health care for them. It's easy for the well-to-do to identify what is moral and what is not. But when your choices of "morality" are between being a dancer, being a thief, or letting your child go hungry, it isn't so clear what is moral.

I had a girlfriend for a while who was a stripper. Her attitude was "Why the hell should I work in some goddamn boring office for garbage pay and take abuse from some fat slob boss 40 hours a week, when I can make $500 a night doing this, pay no taxes, and have some fun too?" (Direct quote)...WTF is "moral"? There is a LOT of difference between being a dancer and being a thief.

Did you guys read the entire article? Or just the headline?

The article talks about 14 year old girls resorting to prostitution.

Are you still dating girlfriend, Capn Mike? Because if you are, then you have no "moral" problems with her profession.

As a woman, my problem is with men who say they're straight and they really are gay pretending to be straight. That's the "moral" dilemma I live in today. So these kids are doing what they do in order to survive, which is where the Bush Administration's policies have pushed everybody these days - adopting the phrase "By Any Means Necessary" which is not the context Malcolm X meant, but still applies.

Preacher Boob Says: Saddam would not have treated his people this poorly, and would have done something to correct this travesty, if he could.

Tell that to the Kurds in the north in the mass graves.

I'm not saying that the situation in Iraq is any good, but its outlandish to say that the situation in Iraq was any good before the U.S. invaded.

The OP says that the surge is to blame for this, but thats blatantly false. The surge has shown to be a least somewhat effective at stemming the violence in Iraq.

These refugees left Iraq presumably before the surge even started, so attributing this to the surge is just making an attempt at sensationalism.

Look at it another way, if things were this bad in Iraq before the U.S. invaded, would these people who fled to Syria even have had the option to? I doubt it.

Making statements without any proof is exactly what everyone accuses the other side of, there's no need to stoop to that level, you can make a solid argument without fabricating details.

XuYu @ 32:

Can't we all agree to put this unfortunate incident behind us?

Giuliani '08!

yes trudy juliani in 08 , ive allways wanted a truely feminist dork with a criminal background whod have his thugs digging up graves to loot whats left of our wealth, either elect him or string him up with the rest of the bush crime family after a fair trial of course!

Did someone pull my video link? Why?

Well that should make the Republicans in D.C. happy considering their penchant for that sort of thing.

49 kate

Whole human women don't seem to want egalitarian relationships. They hook up with male model types or those with the mean green.

They they act surprised when those with the mean green don't have enough time for them because they're always working, the buff guy is always in the gym, the tough guy turns out to be an abuser.

If the woman is successful enough at 40ish to start dating 20 year old guys and get called cheetahs, while if the reverse was true the older guy gets called either a cradle a robber or not interesting in a "egalitarian relationship."

49 kate

And where's your concern for the GUYs in the business? The Chippendale dancers. The only real increase in the porn business in the last 10 years, make an attempt to show relationships, but the humping is just as graphic.

Mugsy @ 52:

Did someone pull my video link? Why?

If anyone would like to see actual footage of this and not just read about it, I posted video on this subject months ago on YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYs4UKKIlM

Are these the same children prostitutes that would be stoned to death when they return to their homes?

Thanks georgie porgie for totally screwing the lives of millions of people. I only wish you had to deal with your style of freedom yourself, you pig suckling son of a bitch!

Shaudius @ 59:

Way to completely mischaracterize what I said. What I'm saying is that they didn't have the opportunity to escape the terrible conditions that existed under Saddam rule, and now at least they can escape, they may not be escaping to a much better live, but at least they have the option of escape.

Freedom of movement is something people in the U.S. take extremely for granted, but is one of the most important freedoms we have.

fishboots @ 51:

So... what your saying is the only reason these girls have the OPPORTUNITY to prostitute themselves in Syria is because the U.S. has given them the FREEDOM to do so. Syria would have been deluged before with twelve yr. olds eager to be sold off, but for the machinations of one man, that dirty rotten Saddam fellow.

Ho.ly.shit.

Actually Syria has closed the border because of the large number of refugees. So the people of Iraq are actually in a worse position than they were under Saddam.

Shaudius @ 59:

Way to completely mischaracterize what I said. What I'm saying is that they didn't have the opportunity to escape the terrible conditions that existed under Saddam rule, and now at least they can escape, they may not be escaping to a much better live, but at least they have the option of escape.

Freedom of movement is something people in the U.S. take extremely for granted, but is one of the most important freedoms we have.

fishboots @ 51:

So... what your saying is the only reason these girls have the OPPORTUNITY to prostitute themselves in Syria is because the U.S. has given them the FREEDOM to do so. Syria would have been deluged before with twelve yr. olds eager to be sold off, but for the machinations of one man, that dirty rotten Saddam fellow.

Ho.ly.shit.

I wasn't "mis-characterizeing" you're comment, I was making fun of it. Because that is EXACTLY what you are saying. Why are these people still escaping, pray freaking tell, if Hope and Prosperity are finally within their grasp.

Oh that's right. Their home is now located war zone. The one that wasn't there before we created it.

You are arguing that at least they have the opportunity to raped in Syria, they didn't have that before. And it is a ridiculous thing to say in the face of the horror that these children are living. I am sick to death of people that believe the Iraq War is a good thing throwing out dumb ass arguments like "Hey, at least she got to travel to Syria, see the world a little bit, Saddam Hussein wouldn't have let her do that!" as though the hopes and aspiriations of families for their children are dramatically different in Iraq, and it isn't a fucking nightmare for THOSE people.

Why not just admit that's fucked up and America should do something about it?

Iraqi refugees being raped for fun and profit should shame anyone with a sense of it. Humanity card please.

Can we not find some voo-doo witch doctor and have him resurrect our fore-fathers? I mean c'mon. We can turn day into night and shove a missile up a fly's ass, but we can't figure out a way to get Washington back? I would love to see him walk right up to Bush, tell him to get fucked, and beat the shit outa him for screwin up the country he worked so hard to build. Of all of the crap I have seen come out of this mickey-mouse administration this just chaps my ass. Bush = terrorist, traitor, liar, and fuck stick. Impeach PLEASE!

Rusty Shackleford @ 35:

budda @ 22:

Well, I guess that's one good outcome of this horrible war. They are probably more free there than here...

They're in Syria, not Iraq. We didn't "liberate" Syria.

Not yet - give them time. It was third on the PNAC list right behind Iraq and Iran.
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Under Saddam's regime, tons of people were subject to tourture, rape, murder and the like. The level of rights abuses under Saddam are well documented, but lets just blame Bush because everything isn't peachy there now, when it wasn't peachy there before.

This is revisionist history writing at its finest, oh no look at the human rights abuse these girls suffer in Syria, they were so much better under Saddam's harsh dictatorship.

Lets see what Wikipedia has to say,

"In 2002, a resolution sponsored by the European Union was adopted by the Commission for Human Rights, which stated that there had been no improvement in the human rights crisis in Iraq. The statement condemned President Saddam Hussein's government for its "systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and international humanitarian law". The resolution demanded that Iraq immediately put an end to its "summary and arbitrary executions... the use of rape as a political tool and all enforced and involuntary disappearances"

Lets parse that a little.

the use of rape as a political tool

Yep, people were much better off under Saddam.

I'm saying they at least have a chance now, as opposed to no chance under Saddam.

In Syria they are forced to turn to prostitution because of their poor socioeconomic status, in Iraq under Saddam they had the potential to be raped or summarily executed for no reason.

I'd say that their situation is far improved, yes, it still sucks, but its not as bad as it was when they couldn't leave and could have countless horrors inflicted on them at will.

They aren't being raped in Syria, they are prostituting for money, while this may be a subtle difference to us, but it is a difference. They don't have to turn to prostitution, they do because its a good way to make money and they don't have many other options, its almost rape because of the lack of options, but its not.

Were some people better off under Saddam? Of course they were. There were also a ton of people better off in Stalinist Russia, and Nazi Germany, but that doesn't mean that the regimes were any good.

Now you may respond with the cite regarding Iraqi Christians, where one pastor characterizes it as the worst its ever been.

But this ignores the fact that things were bad for many different people under Saddam's rule.

Is the situation in Iraq good right now? Of course not. Was it any good under Saddam? No.

This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Either the world sits by and lets Saddam continue to commit atrocities, or it doesn't and other atrocities result.

Now Saddam's hatred was pretty much completely directed inward, so if we're okay with people dying as long as its completely within a sovereign entity thats the choice we make.

But now we say, "oh look at the terrible conditions these children face, this is all Bush's fault." But was this compassion 5 years ago when Saddam was doing the same thing?

I am far from a Bush supporter(for many reasons), but this situation just seems like a redirection of the humanitarian crisis that already existed in Iraq that is now front and center news because it can score points for people who oppose a President.

Lets pretend we care about human rights for a second...hear that Sudan, hear that China, oh yeah thats right, we only care when it will score us points.

fishboots @ 66:

Shaudius @ 59:

Way to completely mischaracterize what I said. What I'm saying is that they didn't have the opportunity to escape the terrible conditions that existed under Saddam rule, and now at least they can escape, they may not be escaping to a much better live, but at least they have the option of escape.

Freedom of movement is something people in the U.S. take extremely for granted, but is one of the most important freedoms we have.

fishboots @ 51:

So... what your saying is the only reason these girls have the OPPORTUNITY to prostitute themselves in Syria is because the U.S. has given them the FREEDOM to do so. Syria would have been deluged before with twelve yr. olds eager to be sold off, but for the machinations of one man, that dirty rotten Saddam fellow.

Ho.ly.shit.

I wasn't "mis-characterizeing" you're comment, I was making fun of it. Because that is EXACTLY what you are saying. Why are these people still escaping, pray freaking tell, if Hope and Prosperity are finally within their grasp.

Oh that's right. Their home is now located war zone. The one that wasn't there before we created it.

You are arguing that at least they have the opportunity to raped in Syria, they didn't have that before. And it is a ridiculous thing to say in the face of the horror that these children are living. I am sick to death of people that believe the Iraq War is a good thing throwing out dumb ass arguments like "Hey, at least she got to travel to Syria, see the world a little bit, Saddam Hussein wouldn't have let her do that!" as though the hopes and aspiriations of families for their children are dramatically different in Iraq, and it isn't a fucking nightmare for THOSE people.

Why not just admit that's fucked up and America should do something about it?

Iraqi refugees being raped for fun and profit should shame anyone with a sense of it. Humanity card please.

Shaudius,

I understand your arguement, but I disagree. Syria has closed it's border with Iraq. The Iraqi people are now trapped with no place to go.

True, they no longer live in fear of Saddam. Instead we have given them Shock and Awe, Blackwater mercenaries, KBR convoys, Abu Gahraib, suicide (homicide) bombers, plus Sunnis and Shiites battling in the streets. Not to mention the lack of electricity and water. Oh, plus a few hundred thousand civilian deaths.

I think most would take Saddam back if faced with the barrel end of "democracy".

Shadius, I think you are being deliberately obscure. Or perhaps you simply lack imagination. The girls in this article were children that were sold or ordered by their family to sell themsleves. Because the families are starving and little girls are still currency. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, employing all of the tricks that dictators need to stay on top... But were Iraqi families selling their daughters for food? No. That sort of desperation is something WE caused. It is something to be ashamed of. It is something we need to face, because trust me, the Iraqi people are going to remember us for it.

I'm curious about millions of displaced Iraqis of five years ago and where they were displaced from/to? And all the atrocities they routinely suffered. And who were they then forced to prostitute for? **Chirping** I am not arguing that SH was a great guy. I'm am taking aim at anyone that would say they are better off because they can go someplace else to get raped. See, we are the "GOOD" guys. Little girls aren't supposed to be prostituting themselves AS A RESULT of our saving them. See I would have to believe that everyday was disembowelment day to find being sold into prostitution a BETTER altrnative. And I don't believe Life was quite that hard in Iraq. Although apparently it is now.

You are correct that he was a horrible man. We are worse. That is the problem, as I see it. We are making life one horrible choice after the other for the Iraqis, then sitting back and congratulating ourselves on how many CHOICES we've given them. Can you not see how fucked up that is? How very arrogant, and unattatched to human suffering you would have to be to say that? I'm guessing no.

I will never argue that Saddam Hussein wasn't a dictator. He was mean. He murdered people, lots of people. When compared to the deaths and ruined lives attributable to this administration, he was an amateur.

JJohnson @ 18:

John Barringer @ 15:

Preacher Boob Says: Yet our faux-’christian’ NeoCon Zionist administration plunges blindly on, convinced it is ‘right’, doing ‘god’s’ work, conveyed directly into the ear of Preposterous Putz, hisownself. What a load of crap!

They're really not Zionists but Millennialists. What they're about is bringing on the End of Days. That intimately involves Israel since that's where Har Megiddo (Armageddon) is located. At Armageddon, according to Millennialist teaching, all the Jews will be given the choice of conversion to Christianity or slaughter.

This insanity offers an explanation for the Wingnuts' support for Israel's obviously self-destructive behavior. Every wall they erect, every orchard they bulldoze, every house they bomb is a step closer to Armageddon. So much for the Christianists' love for Zion.

What puzzles me is why the Israelis play footsie with these monsters. They know exactly what's behind the Neocon's "support" for Israel. They really have shaken hands with the Devil on this one!

Well, I don't think your average Israeli is actually very keen on it frankly. They're politicians are every bit as ugly as ours are frankly. (I've been doing some reading on the subject recently for exactly the reason you bring up "Why?")

But yes; these people are sick and deranged.

The worst part? Once again they're even going against their own religion. The Bible says that the end times are NOT something to be desired, that they'll be HORRIBLE even for the faithful... It also says its impossible for us to know when it'll happen, so trying to make it happen is just about the most retarded thing you can do from a Christian standpoint; let alone from a non-religious standpoint.

So yes, they're basically all a bunch of fucktards we should ship to the Sun.

The Christians believe when the shite hits the fan, they're going to be hoovered up into the sky and saved from the all the bad stuff going on down here (The Rapture). Why wouldn't they have a hard-on for war?

The faster they push the world over the edge, the faster they get the ultimate retirement package.

As a staunch Republican, all I can say is "bring 'em on"!

Impeachment? No...[deleted - please don't advocate violence here]

The Political Junkie @ 2:

Well, at least you can't say it's Clinton's fault.

Some brownshirt of a repuke will find a way Junkie - trust me...

Viking Bastard Says: "The Christians believe when the shite hits the fan, they’re going to be hoovered up into the sky and saved from the all the bad stuff going on down here (The Rapture). Why wouldn’t they have a hard-on for war?

"The faster they push the world over the edge, the faster they get the ultimate retirement package."

Saying that Christians believe in the Rapture is exactly like saying that Muslims believe in killing all infidels. Some people who call themselves Christians do indeed believe in the Rapture and all the Millennialist terror that it entails. Likewise there are some people who call themselves Muslim and want to wipe all non-Muslims off the face of the earth. The fact is, however, these people are no more Christians and no more Muslim than the man in the moon. They pervert, debase and degrade the religions they claim to embrace.

Sha_Rules @ 81:

Bush spoke to God and....

And He spoke from a burning bush?

So basicly its just a normal everyday strip club?....

That no good Bush. They don't even tell you the whole story. He personally pimps these girls into prostitution. He makes trips to Damascus and slaps these whores around when they don't perform. The bodyguards that are on stage are secret service and Blackwater thugs. They actually go over into Iraq and kidnapped girls and bring them to Palestine, Israel and other surrounding areas to pimp them out. All this at the Presidents bidding. And what about the patrons? Since it is wrong in Islam to visit these places, Bush converts these "men" to his hypocritical Christianity and tells them to just ask for forgiveness afterwards. In fact, Bush gets these patrons to strap on bombs and go into rival places and blow them up. that is what all the Arab on Arab violence is about!
If Bush had never invaded that poor innocent and economical exploding (no pun intended) country with it's state of the art health care and impeccable justice system, they would be equal to England, France, China, and yes the USA. They were a superpower on the verge of birth.
Impeach that dude that we supported to invade a country that we failed to punish the first time.

PS We should round up all those christain and put them in gas chambers. Who is with me?