For those of you who don't live in the mid-west, where we're getting devastation from ice storms the past three days all that excess moisture has to be coming from somewhere.

Huckabee also thinks evolution is not "established scientific fact." Who is surprised here? I think Huckabee didn't take any science classes while studying for that theology degree.

Thompson is too lazy and tired to think about doing anything to save the world from his Corporate buddies.

Huckleberry is just plain challenged by any Scientific thought. It's much easier to just lay down and believe the Dogma for most, Science takes imagination, religion doesn't permit that.

It shouldn't be referred to as Global Warming anymore, that is much to limited. Its the Looming Global Climate Disaster...
We have known about this problem for a very long time, many many decades. And in the name of profit, nothing was done. Carbon emission is sooooo lucrative, yes its great for the bottom line. In the short run.

And the only reason we wouldn't take the actions that are needed EVEN IF it wasn't true, is the extreme interference of the Coal, Oil, Nuclear, and Gas interests. Carbon spewers all.

Any doubt has now been laid to rest that Republicans are just walking pieces of human filth. Can you imagine what kind of depraved, degenerate mind it takes to write off the entire planet for your own personal gain?

Alternative Forms of Energy would be nice. Nikola Tesla made this his life's work. Wind & Solar would be nice.

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· Equinox - It Runs on Water (00:50:18)
· Tesla: The Genius Who Lit The World (00:42:11)
· The Invisible Machine - Electromagnetic Warfare (00:45:28)

And for anyone who doesn't understand why we don't have alternative forms of energy. Please watch the recent movie...

Who Killed the Electric Car? (2006)

Our entitlements are KILLING the next generation, Freddie boy!!!!

Who cares what these people think and who are they anyway ?
Their preaching to the 25 or less percent of America that thinks that 911 was actually perpitrated by Osama Ben Laden from a cave in Afganastan with the help of Sadam Hussain.
That the Iraq war is a good thing and we should just stay there forever.
That Torture isnt Torture if you change the name to Enhanced interrogation techneics
That serial Rapists can be converted by God and that if your a GOOD ACTOR you can someday be the President of The United States.
I am truly Saddened by what our country ha sbecome and if these people have their way where OUR COUNTRY is headed next

Ignorance or denial or a combination.

F' in dopes

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Uh, sorry. I've been speaking to wingnuts too much lately...

My daughter doesn't like cleaning up after herself either. Granted, she's 4.

Otto DeFay @ 25:

budda, you just need to turn off your television. That's all. Oh, and please don't vote until you do. Thanks, bro.

I'd never vote for him, don't worry. It's just strange that I have a deep hatred for all the other republicans (and most the dems for being so damn cowardly and not progressive enough), but this guy every time he talks I'm sitting there thinking - "he's gonna make a great President." Then I read his views of religion, gays, global warming, etc.

But you got to admit he is the biggest surprise of this election. And I can't wait to see him beat the guy who thought the whole thing was his - McCain. The goofy actor that everyone thought would change everything. The corrupt mayor that ran on 9/11. And the rest of the weirdos on that side.

Oh, and the guy in that crazy cult too.

Katie Couric must have eaten another of her tampons.......she does get confused at times.

I don't know where y'all live, but here in Northern Virginia (and pretty much up and down the I-95 corridor) there's heavy traffic, all of the time. The idea that we are going to somehow, all of a sudden, change to another system of travel and transport is wishful thinking. Legislation can't move quickly enough to stem the momentum of industrialism and the automobile. Big ass trouble looms. Got water?

You know, it's getting real tiring to wake up each morning, hook up the web, and cringe while waiting to see what the latest BushFu*k is.

Now we have to wait for the latest FredFu*k, and HuckFu*k?

This is just too GD much. I'm gonna shoot the tube.

Bye,............. BANG!!!!

katie couric is so awful!! talk about fake tv people!! and now she'a getting worse... *sigh*

budda
Stop smoking weed. You not only sound like a moron, you probably are one.

"It’s the fact that our entitlements are bankrupting the next generation. We’re spending the money of those yet to be born and we can’t continue that way."

Yeah, unlike the Iraq war.

I do believe in Gobal warming, just alone the air polution is very bad for all of us to breath. I have watched allot of google videos, and found lots of cool perspective on different topics. Makes me think long and hard about stuff.

Did you know the earth has a natural wobble? The north and south axis changes, doesnt spin true.
The acients made the Zodiac, funny thing we are at the end of an "age" called Piecies, symbolized by Fish- about 150 more years we will step into the age of Aquarious. If you think about this hard it is interesting. I myself have noticed the seasons shifting, everything comes late now, its like our months are out of order with the weather, on top of more heat.

Just what i think, I can't spell well, and I may be wrong. So I will watch this video again.

Zeitgeist- the begining talks about the zodiac and religion, the second half,,,,, well,,, oh well.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

We've lost alot of progress in reducing CO2 emissions with the Republicans in office.

Bush had one of the worst environmental records of any governor when he even held that office.

I also recall Cheney saying before the 200 election, "Those who own solar homes and drive electric cars should vote for Gore." Well I took his advice and changed parties. Since I drive an electric Ford Escort I thought that statement was an insult to those who have been trying to make a difference. These guys are so crusted in carbon it's insane.

The cumulative effect of having thousands of solar grid-tied homes on line would reduce carbon emissions by thousands of tons. We've lost 8 years of progress with Bush and Cheney in office.

The world can't afford another Republican who is clueless when it comes to the environment and I have real concerns that 50 million clueless American will make another dumb mistake in 2008.

I don't get these religious, republican, conservative, family value zealots. This is God's creation we are talking about. We are stewards of this planet. God gave us a brain to use. The Republicans are abusing the privilage.

William @ 39:

The first paragraph in this article is so cliche filled. "Debate is over" Debate is a cornerstone of democracy and once you cut off debate (even the debate of global warming) you diminish democracy. "The scientific community agrees." Wrong. Use your computer, start looking and you will find many scientist who do not agree that...well...that the debate is over. You will find compelling information from bright intelligent individuals who disagree with the Gore "idea" that we are in the midst of a planetary crisis. "Global warming is real." Get with the program. In the environmental circles The term global warming is passe. It's now climate change and climate chaos. This allows for greater fear-mongering because now you have a bigger umbrella covering even greater numbers of dire events than just "warming." Climate change can include anything and everything. More icebergs this year? Must be climate change. Fewer icebergs? Climate change. More rain? Less rain? Climate change. You see, with these new terms you can't lose! You will always be right. (Which exposes the cultural ego that is the climate change movement.) Except that any thinking person who has been on this planet for even a short amount of time can soon figure out for themselves that the very nature of climate is change and chaos. One last thing, consensus is not science. If it were the world would still be flat. By the way, I am not a Republican nor do I have any ties to any corporation whatsoever.

Well said my man. The lunatics out on both sides of this debate are destryoing the dialogue on this issue. Being skeptical about the fear mongering crap out there is not the same as being a complete GW denier who turns a deaf ear to the facts. One is willing to enter the debate, the other is a coward. And the same can be said if we inverse that.

Overblown . . . kind of like them.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/12/11/arctic.melt.ap/index.html

... nothing to see here folks... move along please down to the end of the road behind the barb wire FREE SPEECH ZONE.... move it along!

Todd, he said to not have dependence on outside oil..... umm then he said to country's that are not friendly to us......

purvis ames @ 40:

budda
Stop smoking weed. You not only sound like a moron, you probably are one.

Says the person criticizing him for exercising his own opinion? Hey I think Huckabee can be charming as hell too, but it doesn't excuse his policies or values

Just some results from a test discussed in the LA Times ed. page today:

American teens rank 21st out of 30 industrialized nations in science.
American teens rank 25st out of 30 industrialized nations in math.

American teens rank themselves first in science (and evidently self esteem). This the scary part. We're being dumbed down, but are still convinced that we're still the intellectual leader of the pack.

It's this poor understanding or appreciation of science and math that allow these yahoos to succeed in their propagandizing. Is it any wonder that we're essentially in a new Dark Age?

The concept of doing "drastic things to our economy" is something that disappeared decades ago. We now know that conservation offers substantial benefits to our economy.

I'm sure this administration would consider solving the global warming issue if it meant bombing a nation of brown people.
That we can do.

WTF?! What makes Thompson or Huckabee think they're experts on the climate?! Just who the fuck do these asshats think they are?! I doubt either one of them can tie their own shoes for chrissake. Losers... the both of them!

huckeabee can say whatever he wants during an election. Zero oil consumption in ten years? Sure! Vote for me!
But it is impossible and he is too stupid to know better or cynical enough to float it out there as a plan. There is no plan for that in place and if he werew president in 2009, well gee, i guess 9 years to no oil.

If we started 20 years ago, maybe.

Otto DeFay @ 23:

And who carries the banner for 'em? Christians, that's who. In droves.

Christ wants his name and his banner back! These idiots who pretend to be Christians should be called Self-Righteousians or Evangelicans or MyWayOrTheHighwayans. They are SO far from what Christ taught and have been lost in the land of Commercialism, Greed, and Avarice. What an Effed up bunch of fucktards.

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New Study Explodes Human-Global Warming Story

As much of the U.S. is being blasted by vicious ice storms, a blockbuster report published in a prestigious scientific journal insists that the evidence shows that climate warming is both natural and unstoppable and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant.

Writing in the International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society, professor David H. Douglass (of the University of Rochester), professor John R. Christy (of the University of Alabama), Benjamin D. Pearson and professor S. Fred Singer (of the University of Virginia) report that observed patterns of temperature changes ("fingerprints") over the last 30 years disagree with what greenhouse models predict and can better be explained by natural factors, such as solar variability.

The conclusion is that climate change is "unstoppable" and cannot be affected or modified by controlling the emission of greenhouse gases, such as CO2, as is proposed in current legislation.

According to Dr. Douglass: “The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming.”

One of his co-authors, Dr. John Christy, added: “Satellite data and independent balloon data agree that atmospheric warming trends do not exceed those of the surface. Greenhouse models, on the other hand, demand that atmospheric trend values be 2-3 times greater.

"We have good reason, therefore, to believe that current climate models greatly overestimate the effects of greenhouse gases. Satellite observations suggest that GH models ignore negative feedbacks, produced by clouds and by water vapor, that diminish the warming effects of carbon dioxide.”

And the third co-author, Dr. S. Fred Singer, said: “The current warming trend is simply part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that has been seen in ice cores, deep-sea sediments, stalagmites, etc., and published in hundreds of papers in peer-reviewed journals.

"The mechanism for producing such cyclical climate changes is still under discussion; but they are most likely caused by variations in the solar wind and associated magnetic fields that affect the flux of cosmic rays incident on the earth’s atmosphere.

"In turn, such cosmic rays are believed to influence cloudiness and thereby control the amount of sunlight reaching the earth’s surface­ and thus the climate.

"Our research demonstrates that the ongoing rise of atmospheric CO2 has only a minor influence on climate change. We must conclude, therefore, that attempts to control CO2 emissions are ineffective and pointless — but very costly."

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming/2007/12/10/55974.html

frank @ 61:

So funny that Thompson evokes the well-being of future generations in his statement of denial that the planet is warming. duh....

I wouldn't put any stock in Fred Thompson's predictions for the future. Shit, I'd be surprised if that guy (literally)survives until the end of the Primaries.

Thompson and Huckabee are wrong. The debate is over about whether manmade global warming is a threat. Even members of the Bush White House have admitted so.

The debate should not even be about whether man has anything to do with this. Global warming seems to be something that we may be able to influence, just as we have influenced our quality of life in other areas - agriculture, medicine, etc.

We should all be looking for the optimum solution. Instead, proposed solutions meet resistance couched in greed.

This whole situation reminds me of scenes from movies that invoke audience hatred of the villain by portraying him as a scheming, greedy, heartless person who throws widows out of their houses on Christmas eve, casting them into the snowy streets.

That villain is now in the cream of the crop of our society, fighting society at large because it may involve cost. Constantly scheming for personal gain. Constantly scheming for personal power.

That villain is now a person of power, respect and admiration.

The debate should be about the solution, not the problem.

smike @ 76:

Thompson and Huckabee are wrong. The debate is over about whether manmade global warming is a threat. Even members of the Bush White House have admitted so.

The debate should not even be about whether man has anything to do with this. Global warming seems to be something that we may be able to influence, just as we have influenced our quality of life in other areas - agriculture, medicine, etc.

We should all be looking for the optimum solution. Instead, proposed solutions meet resistance couched in greed.

This whole situation reminds me of scenes from movies that invoke audience hatred of the villain by portraying him as a scheming, greedy, heartless person who throws widows out of their houses on Christmas eve, casting them into the snowy streets.

That villain is now in the cream of the crop of our society, fighting society at large because it may involve cost. Constantly scheming for personal gain. Constantly scheming for personal power.

That villain is now a person of power, respect and admiration.

The debate should be about the solution, not the problem.

We are the problem. The way our economy runs is the problem. And yes, there are villians aplenty. We need to identify and remove them from power. I would like to start with the media, the corporations and the politicians.

God just has a wide stance.

chervilant @ 79:

We humans are about to get our comeuppance...When Earth has had quite enough of us, she will simply roll over and scrape us off her backside."

When have humans not had their comeuppance? Chinese historians have documented a major natural or man-made disaster every 1.2 years, going back more than 3,000 years.

We are in fact the most advanced disaster-climber-out-of-ers in the history of this solar system. We have advanced polymer concrete, we have steel, chemistry, we have dumptrucks, we have computers and satellites. We're going to get our asses handed to us -- once again -- but we will survive, and probably thrive, if the past is any register (and it is).

Lefties don't get the better way to frame it.

We will have to goe solar/electric in whatever form that may take panels, wind, current, hydro, condensed solar, and tidal.

SOLAR/motherfuckinELECTRIC

It's sustainable and the future why not get a jump on it now?

xoites defends Constitution @ 77 "Never heard any scientist call carbon dioxide a pollutant"

Carbon dioxide, in the form of carbonic acid, is a significant destroyer of plant life, a big part of why we plow to oxygenate the soil. Increased acidity of soils and lakes is a predictable result of most of these potentially toxic materials we have increased in the atmosphere.

The same people who think CO2 can't be a pollutant are shocked when an uninformed girl drinks two gallons of H20 and dies of water intoxication.

As with evolution, global climate change is a multi-modal theory with several components.

From a very simple standpoint, we need forests to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere. But acid rain kills trees, by acidifying the soil. Less trees, more CO2, more warming on destroyed soils that are not fertile, and the system collapses.

And it's no joke: SOIL BACTERIA are a primary fertility factor in any normal agricultural operation. They are highly temperature sensitive, and they don't 'evolve' when they get too hot -- because of their separation within the soil, they die, and none survive to propagate in some adapted form. If the temperature of our soils goes up a comparatively few degrees, adios to most of our agriculture.

Soil bacteria are like honeybees: irreplaceable. Oh, and I wonder how much global pollution honeybees can handle? Apparently not as much as people thought.

Balancing and reducing our impact on the biosphere is not shaking juju and calling on the Lord to bless your crops. You have to keep the soil temps moderate, or you don't eat.

Oh, and btw, GET READY TO LOVE BUGS, because insects generally thrive in a warmer climate, and they are going to be THIRSTY.

Up north, the Canadian government estimates that by 2010, even with full implementation of the Canadian and American acid rain programs, an area the size of France and Britian insouthern Canada will continue to receive harmful levels of acid rain. As many as 95,000 lakes will remain damaged, they stated in 1997.

Adding insult to a long list of injuries, Canadian studies show that the larvae of black flies — the bane of spring outdoor activities in the Northeast and southern Canada — seem to thrive in acidic waters.

Consequently, their populations are exploding as pollution changes the chemistry of the waters from which they hatch. maintain healthy levels of dissolved oxygen.

http://www.adirondackcouncil.org/acrapub.pdf (big file, worth reading)

1 episode of the cbs nightly news == 27 courics == the weekly methane output of 1 pig farm.
considering that methane is 20x as potent a greenhouse gas as co2, couric has a lot to answer for...or not for the future of the planet.

Huck looks more & more like Danny-O-Day the ventriloquist dummy to me, what do you all think?
Eye brows move up and down every time he speaks and notice the lines on both sides of his mouth? I think there is a hand up his rear too. Who's hand?

Well said, Bill @ 39...

There is no doubt that we had better clean up our act, for our own sake, our children's sake, our grand children's sake, and the long term health of our economy.

That being said, it frustrates me that Mr. Gore (and his followers) are willing to use science to make their point (a good point) and then say "the debate is over". What kind of friggin science is that? If the hypothesis that Mr. Gore promotes is true, then it can stand up to the rigors of science.

And would it hurt for the guy to lace a speech with some positive messages instead of the constant doom and gloom? Every problem is an opportunity, he obviously knows this or he wouldn't have structured his investments to capitalize on his enviro-political movement. Yet he never presents the problem of climate change as an opportunity. You'd think that he was a catholic for all the guilt he spreads around. I shouldn't say "never" but opportunity is not a theme of his public addresses or the people who follow him.

And he never gets to the root of the problem, which is the vertical integration and centralization of everything. Sure, he says buy local food, but he never follows that up with calls for the USDA and the FDA amend their regulatory power to favor small farmers. I can't buy local meat very easily, because if the farmer wants to grow grass fed meat he must send the cow hundreds of miles to a centralized, disgusting slaughterhouse...he's not allowed to kill the cow himself and sell the meat. Green power makes more sense on an individual scale, but there is no repetitive call from Mr. Gore to change the structure of our power generation, only the means.

You can't solve a problem with the thinking that created it...Einstein.

First, Couric is a complete hack. That alone lessens the credibility of anything she reports on.

Second, how anyone can take Fred and Mike seriously as candidates for anything beyond Grand Wizard is incomprehensible. It really makes me wonder what's in peoples corn flakes every morning.

Did I mention Couric is a hack?

Can someone figure out why CBS evening news ratings are worst ever.....? Oh yeah, moronic segments like that...that's why.

Big Oil/Old Energy = Republican Sugardaddies
Saudi Arabia = Republican's pimps

Science = Republicans greatest enemy

I could repost the hundreds of sites & articles that make Huckabee & Thompson look like the two bit schmucks they are....but I think everyone here gets the hint (sans con-servative right wingnut trolls)

Check out my daily reading in open threads, every single day another article or 10 that exposes this disinformation campaign from so-called economists (you know the ones that conveniently ignore Germany and its windfall renewable energy industries booming their economy) paid by ExxonMobil, AEI & CEI (both shillco fronts for Big Oil cos)...

purvis ames @ 75:

Mr. Paxson

Your source is the obvious fascist house organ Newsmax? Go and troll somewhere else.

No, the source is the Int. Journal of Climatology. It's peer reveiwed by gasp, scientists. Listen to the MSM and the assumption would be that only flat world crazies would deny AGW. Though there is more hyperbole in the media, the science has not gotten any better. Scientists still don't really understand how climate works, perhaps because all the money and resources have been funneled to CO2 related study.

John @ 103:

Thank goodness someone is saying the truth, just because Al Gore tells you something does not make it true, shut up with this Global whining...

and your degree is in Home Schooled from Ignore U., right ?.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fred Paxson @ 72:

nice try. this is NOT about global warming in general. it is about the specific influence of CO2. It debunks nothing! Nice try, though. Why don't you go back to the thread where Al Gore gets his Nobel and whine where it's more appropriate.

Global warming is one of those subjects that IS overblown. I'm sorry, but it is.

A recent study by some university professors (NOT ON THE PAYROLL OF AN OIL COMPANY) ran models that show that temperature fluctuations over the past three decades are not consistent with greenhouse model predictions and more closely correlate with solar activity. They also say that to think that we can reverse global warming by reducing greenhouse gases is pointless because it just doesn't work that way.

“The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, does not show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming. The inescapable conclusion is that the human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming,"

and another quote from the study:

“Satellite data and independent balloon data agree that atmospheric warming trends do not exceed those of the surface. Greenhouse models, on the other hand, demand that atmospheric trend values be 2-3 times greater. We have good reason, therefore, to believe that current climate models greatly overestimate the effects of greenhouse gases. Satellite observations suggest that GH models ignore negative feedbacks, produced by clouds and by water vapor, that diminish the warming effects of carbon dioxide.”

In other words, we ain't causing Global Warming...

Here's the article if you want to read it for yourself.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117857349/ABSTRACT

Here's another tidbit for you all, just to ponder:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/092897/study.htm

Are we causing global warming on other planets as well? Please...

Shorter Fred Thompson:

Who cares about the damn planet when I can make even more obscene profits! Screw mother earth!

This just in - The world is flat!

Fred Thompson sez:
It’s the fact that our entitlements are bankrupting the next generation. We’re spending the money of those yet to be born and we can’t continue that way.

Yeah, right Fred. And Bush's to-be trillion dollar plus nation building adventure in Iraq and tax cuts for the rich have nothing whatsoever to do with it. To say nothing of the billions we are going to have to pay in the future to contain the next generation of terrorists that Bush's cakewalk is breeding.

budda @ 21:

I just wish some psychologist could explain to me what about this guy is taking the country by storm. I'm a Unitarian Universalist - extremely liberal on religious matters, but here I am thinking Huckabee is great. I am about the least moral person around hanging with the boys at the strip club and smoking weed nonstop, yet I'm a fan of Huckabee. Damn it. He's got some kind of mind control going.

The man is genuine, to be sure. But being genuine about bad ideas does not render the person benign or harmless. A lot of awful things have been done throughout history by people who thought some divine power was blessing their endeavor. Having an earnest belief that you are doing "God's work" does not mean that "work" is good. So, get a grip man. Unless you want to roll-back America even further (relative to the rest of the civilized world) with respect to science, economics, leadership and justice, I'd suggest you force yourself to face the reality of Mike Huckabee's ideas instead of relying on "gut" or "feelings."

Huckabee is kinda like Fred Thompson. Playing a nice guy on TV.

Katie, there is no debate over global warming. There is just a problem that we need to try to fix if we can. How come the MSM's idea of the a woman anchorperson has to be Katie who is a smiling mouth with a head of fluff? I am sorry but that is the truth. No original thought has ever come from her head.

Oil from nasty countries...like CANADA, our largest source!!!

Damn Canadians...makin' their dollar worth more and all.

Bunch of softwood dumpers...oh, wait, that was us...

Cold Fronts...those damn Cold Fronts blowin' in.

Gotta bomb 'em. 'd be prud'nt...

Fred and Mike: "Were not sure if the Earth is round or not...."

for all the republican presidential candidates who still want to debate global warming:
if you are proven right, then we end up with al gore looking foolish but will less pollution in our environment...
if you are wrong, then we all end up under 10 feet of rising seawater...
all because you are too stupid to realize that the danger of doing nothing far outweighs the consequences of doing something!!!

KCThinker @ 124:

A Voice of Reason @ 120:

"It’s the fact that our entitlements are bankrupting the next generation. We’re spending the money of those yet to be born and we can’t continue that way."

What about other entitlements that have done far more to bankrupt future generations of American taxpayers, like Iraq?

I love the convenience of argument, where reckless spending on an unwinnable war is good, and protecting the environemnt we require to sustain life is bad.

The whole Bush administration has been one giant spend fest to the tune of $3.6 TRILLION borrowed.

Thompson's comment with regard to entitlements, as I intrepret it, is with regard to the unfunded tens trillions of dollars of entitlements heading towards us in the next couple of decades. Just as we can't afford the Iraq war, we can't afford to waste money chasing CO2 and keeping up with our responsibilities here at home. I suppose we could if we tax the piss out of everyone, not just the rich. But that would also destroy our economy. Maybe that is what everyone really wants - destroy the U.S. and turn it into a thrid world country and voila no more global warming. Well that "little" China factor will blow a big hole in that one.

Money spent chasing CO2 would be better spent on research to develop better ways to produce, transmit, and use energy and get us out the Middle East. I would prefer that to Kyoto or whatever they come up with to replace it.

I agree, taxing Americans at greater levels is not the answer. It's what we do with the tax revenues collected that's important. As a middle class small business owner, I am very interested in keeping taxes low. It benefits my business and my family. It also angers me to no end to see my tax money go to waste.

If alternative forms of energy were more profitable, then the research might stand a chance and new solutions may be found. If Reagan had not ripped Carter's solar panels off the roof of the White House in 1980 but instead tried to find ways to make them more efficient, I am certain the progress made to date would be sufficient to keep us all warm (or cool, given your locale). We would also have more efficient means to fuel internal combustion engines, or perhaps even a different form of power for our automobiles.

Look at the advances in computers from 1980 to today. We've gone from kilobytes to terabytes. From 5 1/4" floppy disks that held 98.5KB to thumb drives that hold 1GB (1GB=1,048,576KB). iPhones and iTouch that play movies and music, with 16GB of storage.

We can do better; our current energy strategies are a joke. But that's going to be a tough pill to swallow for an administration headed by two men that have substantial personal gains from the record profits the oil companies have racked up under their watch.

Reading most of these comments confirms why I could never be a democrat. The lack of respect for those in authority; the vitriolic insults, name calling, and character assassination of people who simply have opinions and beliefs different from the liberal left flies in the face of liberal calls for tolerance. You people scare me because the kind of world you want is one in which the only acceptable opinion is the orthodoxy of the liberal left. You people have no clue of how democracy is supposed to work. Whatever happening to the ability to agree to disagree. You attack President Bush and you don't even know th man. All you know is what you read and hear (and most of that comes from a liberally biased press); you don't know anything about George Bush, the human being. If you don't like the his policies, then how about a solution. The problem with liberals was summed up on Boston Legal the other night, "You're a Democrat; you're supposed to complain without providing answers.

ckerst @ 27:

The cyclical argument was refuted long ago. The warming is NOT due to changes in the sun or the tilt of the earth. Actually in our travels around the sun we are at a time when things should be slightly cooler. Thompson and Huckabee show their stupidity every time they speak, regardless of the subject. This country can't afford another administration run by a numbskull.

Mars is warming too. The Bush administration is polluting the whole solar system. Maybe the whole universe!

No doubt that global warming is very debated. Just look at the number of resonnses from this one little post. I, however, have never heard that man is causing global cooling. For this - all I can say is that I hope that the people that believe this is natural are not wrong. But if man is causing at least part of the problem then why not do all we can. One thing not in dispute is that we cannot continue to use non-renewable sources on energy forever.
Are you familiar with the ground floor movement to take solar to the masses by a company called Citizenre? They are trying market solar with an approach similar to satellite TV, cellular telephones, and alarm systems. That is to provide the customer a complete solar system with no upfront charges and make money from a service contract. In this case the service contract would be a rent agreement. They intend to put a complete solar system on clients home. When the system produces electricity, it will lower the bill from the current utility provider. In most cases the savings from the lower bill will more than cover the rent fee that the company intends to charge. The company currently has no product available but intends to deploy in the middle of 2008. They are currently taking reservations and have over 26,000 takers so far. I have written several articles on this company in my blog and even have a couple of videos that I have recorded at www.solarjoules.com. Feel free to take a look. I welcome comments. As in any start up business, a chance exists that they may never get off the ground and fulfill any preorders, but if this is the case - the potential client has not lost anything. If you cannot afford the upfront cost of solar today, this may turn out to be a great alternative. This solution would mean that we could produce at least a little less pollution and would be a great step "just in case". And hey, the fact that you will save money on your electricity bill over time is a pretty good reason to look into it as well.
If anyone would like company information you can go to www.jointhesolution.com/razmataz.

I agree we need to do our part to help the environment. How do you explain that other planets in our solar system warming up (perhaps the sun is warming up?). I think a much bigger problem is the poisoning of our planet this will kill us much sooner than global warming. Yet we are not talking about this.

For those of us wanting the federal government or UN to save us from this don't hold your breath. The more we rely on huge bureaucracies to fix the problem, the more problems we have. History shows that government cannot solve problems, because the bigger the government becomes the more prone it is to corruption & inefficiency. A better solution would be to have tax credits on becoming green. Why did our government allow massive deductions on Hummer vehicles, and hardly anything to buyers of hybrid vehicles. Because our elected officials have to give favors to the lobbies.

Personal responsibility is the only answer, more government is not. [Deleted-Off topic-Sitemonitor]