Religious Extremist Tony Perkins Says "Secular Media" Partially Responsible For Church Shootings
By Logan Murphy Monday Dec 10, 2007 9:38am
In its Action Update today, the Family Research Council (FRC) partially cast blame for the tragic shooting at a megachurch in Colorado yesterday on “the secular media.” In the e-mail, which was sent under the name of FRC Action President Tony Perkins, the group says it’s “hard not to draw a line between” the shooting and “hostility” by “some in the secular media toward Christians”:
It is hard not to draw a line between the hostility that is being fomented in our culture from some in the secular media toward Christians and evangelicals in particular and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday. But I will say no more for now other than that our friends at New Life Church and YWAM are in our thoughts and prayers.
When Perkins can't explain why this sick young man turned against his church and why God spared some people, but allowed others to be slaughtered, he sloughs it off on "evil secularists." Tony, do you think that the fact this kid was kicked out of the missionary school he shot up had anything to do with it? Isn't it possible that this rejection may have driven him to seek revenge? The secular media didn't reject this young man, nor did it give him access to the gun. Mr. Perkins, you might want to look at the real root causes of this tragedy rather than blaming secularists.
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Of course, that would require some introspection on the part of Mr. Perkins. Sadly, that is just not going to happen. It's much easier to blame something that doesn't exist. Perhaps he should be addressing the plank in his own eye before examining the speck in his neighbor's eye. Being the good Christian that he is, I'm sure he knows exactly where to find that particular passage.
Whaaaa??????????yeah...it was the liburul medias fault...no wait...BILL CLINTONS Fault.
Far be it for me, the secular atheist to defend Mr. Perkins, but just judging from what you've quoted here--I don't necessarily think he was saying that as vociferously as you think. People like myself, (just a few months ago my girlfriend punched me in the gut, for saying "nutcases" outside a Jehovah's witness branch in NYC, are certainly to be blamed for that attitude. It isn't pretty. Religious tolerance ought to be extended to as many branches as possible. Certainly, evangelicals. The problem has always been, that evangelicals have no tolerance for any one not an evangelical.
Hello to everyone here,
I am a Born Again Christian too, just as Mr. Perkins claims to be. This young man who did the shootings is the one who should be blamed. His parents or his closest friends possibly might have intervened. I want the rest of the world to know these talking heads of Christianity speak for themselves, not for me, not for you, not for God.
My prayers are for all of the family members involved. To those who were affected, everyone in my family feels terrible for what you've gone through. It would be nice if I could offer more at this time, but it is not feasable. God Bless all of you.
LGBN
Jeffko
frist!
Peanut butter & jelly, bread & butter, hand in glove, religion & violence.
His alternative and what he probably really believes but just does not say in public is that it was Satanic forces aligned against the church. Because, of course, it was not being raised in a strict fundie Christian household. It can't possibly be that.
Thank God! It was the evil secularists! I was so worried it was the meth snorting gay prostitute loving church leaders.
Maybe we should pass a law requiring churches to post the Ten Commandments and pray.
I thought this would be Satan's fault?
Seems like I have heard something like this before...
ChristO-fascist Jerry Falwell blaming America for 911:
"JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'."
Tony Perkins and Jerrry Falwell, Christian Taliban of a feather.
Also by Perkin's argument I guess we can blame the Christians for the deaths of Matthew Sheppard and other gay bashings since their extreme rhetoric leads to gay killings....not to mention lyinchings of blacks in the 1950's.
Christian extremist thugs promote murder!
Well if Tony Perkins is going to go ahead and politicize this tragedy, then let me be the first to hypothesize that the shootings were God's revenge on the New Life Church for giving the world Ted Haggard. Right-wing, Xian zealot hypocrits, I'd suggest you take heed. 'Nuff Sed.
"Guns don't kill people, the 'secular media' kills people"
~Reich-wing talking point 124,951,554
According to perkins and his ilk, god controls each and every little thing in the entire universe. This includes controlling ALL that happens, because ALL that happens is "god's will".
Why then did god kill the people who this maniac shot? And why does god want Muslims in Iraq, Iran and other places dead? And why did god kill JFK, MLK, etc., etc., etc............? See how ridiculous their beliefs are?
I'm surprised he wasn't able to squeeze the Clenis somewhere into this conspiracy...
Wasn't Tony Perkins the star of Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho?
HammClov @ 3:
Yeah, you se, that's the problem. Guess how much 'religious tolerance' I have for the God Hates Fags crew.
The other problem is, I've read the Bible. I know what it says. And it's basically the exact polar opposite of what right wing spoiled rotten air conditioned fat lazy American 'Christians' are doing.
So no. I say, live by the sword,die by the sword.
well maybe just maybe if he cared about the real reasons people kill - mental illness, hunger, fear, poverty, etc.. that would make a difference, but then again caring is a christian thing which he is not too familiar with ....
Meanwhile, the BBC, (yeah, I know trolls, another secular "liberal media" roll eyes) is reporting that suicides rise during periods of conservative governments...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2263690.stm
In our gun-totin' society, what makes Dear Tony think that these people aren't ticked off enough to take a few people with them?
hostility?..hmmmm I wonder why?Could it be because of the way they treated the Clintons or maybe it's because they stole an election but then again...Starting an illegal war will piss some people off.And when churches stick their noses into politics some people will resent that one too.Patriot Act,FISA,Torture,Detroying evidence,Outing a Covert CIA officer......where do I stop.These are just a few reasons why I'm pissed off.
Send Perkins to Tehran!
fucking religionists
When the Bushies go to the Hague, send this self-serving, immoral, blithering idiot along with them!
Of course, blame it on the secularists... No doubt they will never accept responsibilty for encroaching on others private worship, the fact they lock up, abuse or abandon many of their own offspring, their ideas of forgiveness and goodwill end at the door of their own homes and houses of worship, their idea of charity is raising money not for the poor, but more tax-free property, a coffee shop or health club inside their churches, and their missionary work is often an attempt to usurp existing religions or parental authority of other faiths.
They cannot see what they are doing to others, it doesn't fit into their plan of global dominion. Christ does not need their money, Christ sees right through them. And the whole thing on modern prophets, like Hagee, God says he's an idiot.
This is not a knee-jerk reactionary statement by Perkins - this is part of the ongoing attack against the secular world/atheists.
It's always interesting to hear how "God" wanted someone to do something heroic like the security guard who shot and killed the gunman, yet at the same time "God" allowed the gunman to kill however many people. Apparently those people deserved to die.
LOTS more on this at my blog...
Hey Tony ... Perhaps, just perhaps ... it was do to the FACT that this kid had to grow up in an OPPRESSIVE devout Christian home. Read the paper.
It is easy for these assholes to blame someone else instead of looking at the mirror and seeing who the idiots are. God is never wrong. Religion is never wrong. This is what the problem is with any religion. And then we wonder why we have wars and all type of problems in the world. Anyone with a little knowledge of history knows how dengerous extreme religion can be. Unfortunately, people are too stupid to realize it.
The NRA is part of the Secular Media?
I say another part is selling religion as a panacea for all problems, and when it can't solve all problems becomes a target of those with problems.
Problematically speaking of course.
Wasn't this kid supposedly home schooled and came from "Christian household"?
No hostility towards Christians, just Christo-fascists like you, Tony. Your organization is aggressive and has a warlike stance, so it is not surprising when one of yours turns on you, it would be in a violent way.
VietVet67 @ 27:
Yes and Yes
That is an open declaration of war. They'll all be packing heat and if they see anything out of line with their concept of reality, dead meet.
Weaseldog @ 9:
No, it's Dana Carvey's
It's only a matter of time before Perkins gets busted molesting little boys while high on meth and bilking his followers from millions.
Perkins' comments are designed to further the attack on the secular world and atheists. This is not merely a reactionary comment. There will be no room in America for non-Christians in the near future.
The gunman was part of the church he shot people in. We all know this, yet the lies will continue, the distortions will continue, and secularists/atheists will be the scapegoats. We will be the Jews of the 21st century in Amerika.
LOTS more on this at my blog...
Slinky the Wonder Ferret @ 15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdrDpELNbks
Right the secular media, I’m sure the fact churches such as NLC who commonly attract people who need help with life (including the unstable) seeking answers has nothing to do with it. Maybe the lesson here is you be saved and still not be fixed, sometimes therapy does what Jesus can’t.
Actually, he's right. I live in the bible belt (Oklahoma). Every day I see train after train of good, religious people shipped off to camps by the secularists. These camps are closed to the public; but I hear that they are death camps. These good, loving, christian people are forced to wear crosses stitched on their meager garments. They also are forced to have Keith Olbermann tattoos on their forearms to further identify them. Even the good christians who haven't been so unfortunate to be shipped off are brutalized every day by the majority secularists. Their businesses have been all but destroyed. They live in fear for simply having faith in their God and Savior.
Friends, it is hell to be a christian in America--especially a white christian. They have no representation in government. Think about it! When is the last time you saw a politician who was a religious person? They have no voice in the media. They can barely even find places to worship in private. When is the last time you saw a church? Thank God for people like Tony Perkins and Bill O'Reilley for having the courage to speak out on this genocide. History will remember them as heroes.
If you really believe that the evil secularists haven't fomented evil upon these meager christian people, then you just aren't paying attention. That makes you part of the problem. History will remember you as evil secularists.
Why can't Richard Dawkins get 1/1000th the airtime as these mouth-breathers?
crazytown @ 5:
There is much truth in this statement, and yet--are there no exceptions? Maybe Buddhists? Or the Jain? I've never heard of any member of these groups going off on a violent rampage.
Same thing with any school shooting. Push the blame onto every other thing outside of the school instead of acknowledging the social problems inherent within the organization to begin with.
And to that crackpot guard that shot the guy. The victims had god with them, too. You had a gun. Wishing really hard to an invisible sky genie did not cause god to strike him down through you.
This is nothing unusual for Perkins or for that matter anyone in the right wing theocratic movement. Just as with Republicans, who blame even cloudy days on Bill Clinton, the theocrats see the demon of secularism everywhere. They allege hostility in the media towards them. They allege that there is a conspiracy to persecute them for their "beliefs".
In truth, they no longer get the same deference from the media and others that they once enjoyed. They don't like to be questioned or challenged when they make outlandish claims. They don't like the fact that they look foolish when they go on television and claim that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and human beings lived alongside one another. They don't like the fact that science trumps their "holy" book. They think that saying "Happy Holidays" is an intentional act of hostility towards them, even though there are several winter celebrations that take place during December - and the fact that "Christmas" is really based on pagan holidays celebrating the Winter Solstice and the birth of "pagan" gods.
They want to be supreme, unchallenged, unhindered and above all powerful. They look with envy at the Muslim world, where clerics wield much more influence than they themselves can in the post-Reformation and post-Enlightenment West. They lust for the power of authoritarian regimes, so that they can force their view of religion, of Christianity and of morality on everyone.
In short, they're crybabies who can see the end of their influence and purpose and are desperately trying to hold on to every shred of power that they can. I can only hope that one day their backwards, reactionary and medieval views are but an unpleasant memory of the past.
I swear to God, I'm going to cry. The stupidity is just getting to be too much, somebody tell me it's going to get better soon!! They can't have anything happen to them that they can't figure out a way to blame us. Just please somebody tell me the nonsense is going to stop soon, my brain really, really, really hurts right now.
"The Main Stream Media is a naughty little girl Norman"
"No mommy... NO!!!"
mega church self righteous pussy coward
Didn't the shooter have some history with this organization?
He went home, watched a secular show on tv and got a gun?
That must be why the guy who went on a spree was religious, too.
It is hard not to draw a line between the hostility that is being fomented in our culture from some in the secular media toward Christians and evangelicals in particular and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday. But I will say no more for now other than that our friends at New Life Church and YWAM are in our thoughts and prayers.
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Looks to me like Perkins, if he's half the ethical man he claims to be, should be prepared to dig into a generous serving of crow (cooked any way he likes) since the latest news reports indicate that the shooter was himself a self-proclaimed Christian and not a violent godless heathen as Perkins would apparently like people to think.
All right, everybody -- a show of hands. How many people here think that Perkins will actually practice his faith and do the right thing by acknowledging that he was wrong?
Anyone...?
Anyone at all...?
{*crickets*}
I rest my case.
gonzalez @ 25:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1QD83Hf24
On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"
Bizby @ 38:
You'll never hear of violence in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Monsterists are all exceptional people.
We could take a page from Mann Coulter's book and suggest that we kill all of the leaders of the other religions and convert them to Monsterism.
You run a cult, expect cult-like behavior and super freak outs from your cultists from time to time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1QD83Hf24
oh and one more reason for some hostility.........morons like Perkins making dumbass comments like that one.
Tony Perkins is, quite literally, a sack of shit. I seriously hate that guy.
Don't alot of these religious folks foment anger towards secularists by telling their flocks we are heathens who are doing Beezlebub's bidding?
-GSD
Brad @ 8:
Best comment ever!
The Authoritarians written by Bob Altemeyer, a University of Manitoba professor, is a good read for those trying to understand how someone accepts, without question, what these people say. I found it truly enlightening and a lot scary.
The people who follow are scared of you, for no good reason, and they have the justification to do whatever it is they are told. These shootings are what happens when you try to break that mold.
48 Eric Almighty
Bob eats Flying Spaghetti Monster's for dinner
With a fresh tossed salad, some eggplant parmesan on the side, some garlic breadsticks, washed down with some barbaresco, and for dessert some nice spumone.
ysbaddaden @ 50:
this sums them up rather nicely.
Isn't tony perkins still in trouble for ethical violations and taking a free trip to a golf outing in Scotland, with tom delay, that was financed by lobbyists with business pending in Congress?
Typical of these religious fakes to bury their heads to any truth.
ysbaddaden @ 56:
That depends on what sect of Monsterism you are dealing with. Rumor has it that Shia Monsterism depicts FSM with an AK 47 in his noodly appendage!
The shooter wanted to be a student at Oral Roberts University but didn't apply because it was too expensive.
Did the secular media tell him to want to study there?
Excuse me, but doesn't Christianity trump all other religions in terms of sheer numbers of believers?
Why don't these bible-thumping assholes stop claiming "anti-christian" bias whenever one of their ilk does evil?
Great...now the religious nutters have one more reason to feel "persecuted."
They're getting scary...
Dr. Acula @ 62:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.5 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
Does being well dressed make being evil OK?
Yes. And a thousand headlines yesterday took the word of an "anonymous law enforcement official" who proclaimed the shooter as someone who "hated Christians..."
This, before they even knew about the link between the boy and YWAM. But it was easy to just say it was "hatred of Christians" that caused it.
The really sick part is that by this weekend, at sermons all over America, some preacher will be saying, "Let us pray for these liberal atheists who committed these crimes, even though they are going to hell no matter what." And with renewed vigor they will canvas their communities, badgering and harassing neighbors and family members. There is nothing quite like willfully lying to yourself.
King of Kings @ 65:
Worked for Colonel Sanders....
Eric Almighty @ 48:
Just wait until the sectarian wars break out between the Marinarian branch and the offshoot Creamy Parmigianis. It hasn't happened yet, but it's all right there in the Book of Meatball Prophecies. You just need to know the secret code of St. Basil the Pesto to interpret it correctly.
When these wars break out it will be chaos I tell you, sheer mayhem. Waterboarding is nothing compared to being boiled alive in tomato sauce.
Brooks Brothers is well-dressed? The Nazi's had top flight designers, just bad barbers.
As Bugs would say "What a maroon!"
I think we are going to hear the word "secular" a lot more in the months ahead. Romney used it in his speech at least a couple of times. I think it's the right's new fear factor. It's not enough to talk about the terrorist under the bed, beware of the secularist too. I don't think this bodes well for those of us who are not religious. It's eerie.
Stacey @ 60:
That's only for shooting up Spaghetti Warehouse when the mobsters meet.
Not a surprising for a fundamentalist. I expect that, if you looked into Mr. Perkin's life, he's actively committing the sins he most rails against.
That's what this brand of fundamentalist does; they take all the things they hate about themselves and externalize it. They put it all on others and then vilify those people.
pissed off patricia @ 72:
Maybe we'd better stock up on guns, Patricia.
It is hard not to draw the line between the hatred and intolerance that these "Christianities" preach on a daily basis and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado.
bbk @ 67:
If lying to yourself is another way of playing with your own mind, does that mean fundies play with themselves?
SadButTrue @ 69:
The uncountable threads of the doctrine of FSM are often tangled, and yet if you grasp but one it will freely give way and be solitarily cohesive. You can dress it up with cheesy soliloquies or attempt to butter it up, but alone one strand will not a meal make.
Rusty Shackleford @ 75:
Well I'm gonna hold them off as long as I can, but hey, I may have to get a potato gun if things get rough. ;)
OY!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html
Aren't all these guys charlatans anyway? They spew lies in the form of religion, get a cult following, put "reverend" in front of their name, and we're supposed to treat them with some kind of respect?
They should be ashamed but they never will because that would give away their con. As someone else said, the blame for being a mass murderer should go squarely on the individual who did it, and if you want to spread blame around to anyone else, we should spread it to the whole society.
BTW What in this country is non-secular media? Last I checked we don't have a state religion. It's all non-secular.
I'll opt for a salad shooter.
So "secular" is going to be the new scare word du jour?
Dr. Acula @ 80:
"It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.
God was gunned down too?
Perkins is such a tool. Do we dare ask how much his haircut cost?
Jeffko @ 4:
Amen to that I feel exactly the same.
Pat Robertson, and the like are vile.
Tony Perkins? WTF? I thought he was in prison for raping underage boys.
OK. I think I'll blame Christians on the (close-to) million deaths in Iraq. Same dumbass logic.
Loonie @ 83:
Yep, seems like it. "Secular" is the new term used to scare in more voters for the Right, I assume. Kinda like the new "homosexual agenda."
Matt in Texas @ 82:
Tony and his reich-wing flock would opt for a salad tosser.
I live in the same town where the first shooting occured and I know exactly where the YWAM is located. In fact, I did some charity work in that area some years ago. After hearing about the first shooting in Arvada early Sunday morning at the YWAM and then the second later on in Colorado Springs (which also has a YWAM office in the New Life Church) it became clear to me as it did to everyone, that this was no random action brought about by a secular media as Perkins suggests. The targets were chosen because the gunman had something against that organization itself. My first thought at the time was that the gunman had a falling out relationship with someone inside of the organization (I.E. a lover) and was unsure as to their exact location. It was only later that we learned that Murray was a member of that organization some 5 years ago and was turned down to go on overseas missions trips due to health or other related problems. Perkins can spin this all he wants and blame everyone that he wants for the gunman's actions. What he will not admit however, is that this once "good, God fearing Christian" became a cold blooded killer that sought revenge against an organization that Perkins supports.
pissed off patricia @ 72:
Nothing new about "secular." It's the word Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition used in his campaign to take over the GOP in the late 70s.
this is like the Falwell-Robertson comments on 9/11...
people shoot up schools and others blame it on the fact that we no longer allow prayer in schools... so then, how to explain shootings at a religious institution???
xoites defends Constitution @ 84:
I think she just meant that god pulled the trigger or something. Maybe he loaded her gun. I dunno.
Its laughable to hear the Administration defend waterboarding, wiretaping, torture and all the other horrible things they do in the name of preventing terrorism. If there were any Islamic terrorists in this country willing to die for their cause they would have done it by now. Meanwhile American citizens continue to shoot shit up as they always have. Funny, had this guy been muslim they would not be blaming secularism but religion itself.
What a Psycho.
I don't want to seem abusive, but, I think this is appropriate: God damn it!
Kuparuk @ 92:
Didn't say it was "new", just that the frequency of it's use lately is a bit disturbing :)
It could have been a delayed reaction to that evil homosexual, Ted Haggard.
xoites defends Constitution @ 95:
Bingo!
pissed off patricia @ 100:
Agreed.
God seems to be the name of her gun.
PurplePatriot @ 36:
Bravo
Just imagine the fake outrage from the reich-wing and [reich-wing] MSM if someone from the left made a statement blaming organized religion.
In the 1950's, a secular magazine called "The Humanist" (I believe) had a frequent column entitled "Where Was God?" They would print news articles about church bus crashes where children died, hurricanes that tore down churches, etc. We need to bring that column back.
Today the born-again security guard who shot the gunman claimed it was "just me, the gunman, and God". Well, logically, God allowed the gunman to kill four Christians before he allowed the guard to kill the gunman. And, as it turns out, the gunman was a born-again Christian too, who was home-schooled in a very religious family. So, at what point must this God-thing get the full credit for allowing murder to be carried out in his name?
Bullcrap-O-Meters worldwide go crazy every time this joker speaks.
Hey Perkins, you keep your bullshit religion out of other peoples lives, and they will keep their bullshit bullets out of your ass.
Mr. Perkins, you might want to look at the real root causes of this tragedy rather than blaming secularists.
Now now guys... you're asking a bit much. That would require him to admit that not only is his religion not helping people it's actively hurting them and that his religion might just be a 2000 year old pyramid scheme!
You're asking them to give up billions in untaxed dollars and an entire flock of morons willing to die for their causes. Which is more than most governments have access to.
All play aside, he's only doing what the right wing does best. Blame someone else. You see, the right wing might complain about society all the time, but they honestly don't want to fix anything at all. Why? Because when things are nice and peaceful and everybody has enough to eat and people are happy and educated- they don't turn to religion. Lots of people have religion all the time and are decent enough folks. But they're not the ones blowing up buildings or shooting up churches or schools or shopping malls. The real nutjob 'cram Jesus into each sentence at least 3 times' types are the ones we need to worry about and the reason why people get to that point is because they have no hope. So they turn to God and those who claim to publicly support God ( whether or not they actually do is another story ) and turn away from those who don't use God in every other sentence even if those people could do more to actually improve the lives of everyone.
Thus the bottom line of those in charge making the billions of untaxed dollars don't get to buy their next solid gold Lamborghini or fly to Singapore so they can have sex with children where nobody cares. Sure when the quality of life for a person is good and they're happy they tend to live longer but hey, whoever heard of a happy suicide bomber right?
I'm having a sudden craving for spaghetti and meatballs...
c. atrox @ 106:
It was God's will. He kills us because he loves us and wants us to be with Him. Seems he can't find a flight in to visit.
So Christians are being persecuted by the media? That would mean that 70 percent of Americans are being persecuted, which would be stupid.
Secular progressives are a great hot button subject to separate old ladies from their social security checks.
If he'd worked in the Clintons, there wouldn't have been anything left for Pastor Billy Bob Joe Pigknuckles to squeeze out of their purses.
secular media? Good Giref, I can't read a paper or watch some news where they DON'T mention religion or "thoughts and prayers".
#108, I agree!
Frybread @ 112:
It's a ratings thing.
Why, it's obvious that nothing near and dear to the kid was to blame for this, it was obviously caused by something totally unrelated!
Sounds like Olberman should seriously consider awarding him Worst Person In The World.
O'Reilly shouldn't get the award every day, should he?
scioto @ 117:
o'really will claim he's being persecuted if he doesn't.
The whole time God was whispering in her ear, "Waste him. Go for a headshot, Jeanne".
From the article:
"It appears that the suspect had been kicked out of the program three years prior, and during the past few weeks had sent different forms of hate mail to the program and-or its director,"
What is it with these Fundamentalist Christians. They never see any "cause and effect" regarding their own actions yet once again there it is in black and white. Heck, the gunman gave them warnings and they apparently ignored them. I guess they can not foresee any reactions to their own actions because they see themselves as self rightious. Funny, but that is the same characteristic that said Islamic extremists exibit.
Matt in Texas @ 82:
Not an icing gun?
xxx @ 102:
I've never been to a church with an armed guard. Maybe their collection plate is a little bigger.
ysbaddaden @ 121:
I'll be packing Cheeze Whiz and a large tube of toothpaste.
More people have been slaughtered in the name of the invisible cloud being than for any
other reason. At the moment Mr. Perkin's favorite, Pope George, is waging his crusade in Iraq because Jesus told him to kill Sadaam Hussein. I defy Mr. Perkins to name one war, one inquisition, one person who was killed in the name of secularism.
...but..but...Tony's wearing a suit, so he must be a "serious" person! In fact, d-damn, that's a really expensive looking suit. Where'd he get the money for that? Oh, yeah - he works for a "religious" organization. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
Oh come on. Cause and effect? Obviously the guy was lured away from the good and kind churchgoers by the liberal media and turned at gunpoint into an evil godless secularist satanist heathen who played violent video games and recycled and stuff! He was wearing a black trenchcoat after all!
He probably plays *gasp* Dungeons and Dragons too!
Dr. Acula @ 80:
So I guess the Lord was with the security guard, but obviously NOT with the people who died, is that it?
And, of course, God HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the killer's actions: that was purely the fault of the secularists, who are strangley so powerful that God could not prevent it from happening. Oh wait - I forgot: the Lord moves in mysterious ways, so them dying was God's Will. I guess the families should just accept it and move on with their lives, happy that God put a gun in the guard's hand.
Praise Jesus.
Hey, he's in the business of giving credit for good things to something that doesn't exist... why not give the blame for the bad things that doesn't exist too?
jimbo92107 @ 125:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJOP1RdHC4
I'm the guy drinking the beer...wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
So what does this asshat propose? That we have non-secular MSM? Oh yeah! That would be so much better. JNN - Jesus News Network "Now go shopping"
Incidentally, some are now claiming he was an "atheist." And saying that atheists are the reason they have armed guards on their doors.
craig @ 132:
They have armed guards to protect their vast quantities of mammon, which is what they really worship.
Matt in Texas @ 128:
I like what Rev. Lovejoy said to Homer after the Simpson's house caught fire, and Ned saved Homer's life twice. Lovejoy said God wasn't behind the fire, but within all his friends, who as volunteer firemen rescued his house, whether they be Christian, Jew or other.
Apu said he's Hindu, there are 10,000,000 of us you know!
And the reverend said, super.
xoites defends Constitution @ 123:
Initially I considered a hot glue gun, but the last time I tried that things got WAY out of hand (and embarassing surgery was involved.)
Matt in Texas @ 135:
Got it confused with your Fleet equipment, what?
Speaking of beliefs, I believe these "Christians" are driving this nation straight to HELL!
Pete Bogs @ 93:
Yeah, it's all been downhill once we stopped allowing prayers in church.
Matt in Texas @ 135:
KISS recommends using a love gun.
141 AbbieHoffmansGhost
I don't believe in ghosts.
crazytown @ 5:
I guess we can assume that if there were no religion that there would be no violence.
139 Rusty Shackleford
Kiss was never good enough to be Alice Cooper's backup band
And their lyrics made AC-DC look subtle.
Funny how when a criminal defendent tries to claim his crime was the fault of society ilk like tony perky laugh at the defense, but they're the first to use it when convenient.
el matador - the fighting chicken @ 17:
You're getting warm, very warm.
It is hard not to draw a line between the Christian martyr victim mentality being fomented in our culture by some in the Right Wing Propaganda machine toward normal Americans not obsessed with religion, and the acts of violence that took place in Colorado yesterday.
AbbieHoffmansGhost @ 142:
Let's try it and find out!
Nor did the secular media give this guy schizophrenia.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/shooter.youth/
Right wing Christians must be disappointed. They were drooling over a chance to whine about being persecuted, even if it was just by one man. They long for the days when they were the persecuted instead of the persecutors. Sorry, better luck next time.
ysbaddaden @ 47:
This quote from the gospel of Matthew is one of the foundations of true Christianity.
Rusty Shackleford @ 148:
It has been tried throughout history in many cultures. What do you think the result has been?
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