Christmas is significant - but not unanimously
By Steve Benen Tuesday Dec 11, 2007 7:03pm
Following up on an item from yesterday, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), easily among the top five looniest members of the chamber, successfully forced a resolution onto the House floor, putting the House on record stating that Christmas and Christians are important. Last night, as expected, it passed easily.
As it turns out, not everyone was impressed with King’s spiteful stunt. When the Christmas-is-important measure came up last night, nine Democrats voted against it. Moreover, 10 voted “present” — including one Republican — which is exactly how King voted on the Ramadan and Diwali resolutions.
King is more than a little peeved, and went on quite a tirade on Fox News this afternoon. (video available at ThinkProgress)
“I recognized that we’re a Christian nation founded on Christian principles, and we’re coming up to Christmastime…. It’s time we stood up and said so, and said to the rest of America, Be who you are and be confident. And let’s worship Christ and let’s celebrate Christmas for the right reasons.”
I found it interesting that King kept talking about “we” during his diatribe — “we” have to stand up, “we” should worship Christ, “we” have to celebrate Christmas. Who is “we”? Americans? Fox News viewers?
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foist?
We? He and the Devil.
Oh, my Godlessness! What a twit!
We can only hope that this brave leader will next tackle a long overdue issue with a vote on whether babies are cute. My, how proud those who voted for this intellectual warrior must be. If only more members in our government would take on such pressing and urgent issues, we could all live in Dogpatch for eternity.
Its crap like this that will make me renounce my strict anti-religious lifestyle and become a muslim JUST to piss guys like this off.
WTG America. This is what you have given us. It makes no difference that, as George Washington said, "In no way is the united States founded upon Christianity" . . . we are now hurtling further and further into this Dark Ages theocracy. And, there is NO hope for this country. People STILL vote for these idiots and believe the earth is 6k years old, etc., etc., etc. America is dead, over, gone, finished. Not sure who the next "great" empire will be, China, the EU maybe, but it sure as hell ain't us. The dollar is on the verge of collapse, the economy is about ready to collapse, and there are still people out there that think Fred Thompson is a genius. There are way to many horrors about the U.S. to list here, but be assured that it makes no difference anymore what we do . . . the epithet is written.
Anyone who falls for this is too stupid to logically sift through the simplest of issues...so it'll work for about 1/4 of the country. Job well done.
Funny that Christmas is actually an old pagan holiday for the winter solstice. The Christians basically jacked it. So yeah, let's DO celebrate Christmas for the right reason!
Isn't it fun watching rightwingers focus on this "War on Christmas" bullshit when there are ACTUAL problems that they completely ignore? It makes me throw up a little just thinking about it.
I've reached the point where I actually find the words Merry Christmas grating and sometimes offensive. I'm sick of seeing Xmas trees in doctors' office waiting rooms and everywhere I turn around. I was raised Episcopalian and now I'm an atheist and I'm sick of these people who try to push Christianity down our throats.
pepper @ 7:
Only 1/4? That's pretty charitable, considering that 1/3 of Americans still support King George.
The 'we' is him and the turd in his pocket.
Yeah there's them, and then there are souless drones like this guy defending "the system" coming back at Harris who was complaining about the mess we are creating for our children.
Harris - I’ve been participating in this blog for about a year, and I can’t recall ever reading any comments that sounded like they came from anyone who was “too greedy to care about anything but money and power.” Frankly, you sound like someone who hasn’t got a clue about the competitive nature of the world we live in, or about the benefits that accrue from competition between people, companies and nations. Many of us are just attempting to understand what’s happening in the business world, partly so we can take advantage of economic trends, or, in other cases, so we can avoid becoming victims of them. Call it greed if you want, but most of us consider it looking for opportunities, or for ways to contribute to greater understanding between people who are all struggling for better lives. If you have something positive or useful to say, please join us; otherwise, I probably speak for many who would prefer that you find somewhere else to vent your frustrations.
(From Japan)
Filthy Harry @ 5:
haha
I can't believe Congress actually votes on things like this. Christians are important and Ramadan and Christmas... These things are important to those who adhere to the respective faith. Why is this even a topic of discussion?! The US is in a war in Iraq! I think personally, this is a deliberate attempt to distract the public or probably distract Congress more than anything from the issues that are currently important.
Filthy Harry @ 5:
Nahh, join LaVey's Church of Satan. First, it will piss off all of the religious zealots, not just the Christians, and second, there aren't any stupid-ass beliefs that you have to choke down. I'd be Satanist myself, except that they aren't evil enough for me.
This whole Congress voting on RELIGION really bothers me. Seriously. This can't be a good thing.
Speaking of it on another blog I ran into a guy (idiot) who said to me,
"Jesus is GOD and controls everything! I suggest you read the book of revelations."
Hum, it is not that the economy is tanking, the war is a complete disaster, millions of people can't afford health insurance, sectors of the educational system are in taters.... etc, etc. Since there are really nothing important affecting the country, I am so glad that our representatives have enough free time to tackle non-issues like Christmas, I mean the country must be doing so well!
Aren't we blessed!!!!
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns....
In the Rethug debate Alan Keyes said we drove God out of our schools.
To where, madrases in Saudi Arabia?
I am tired of all the theist whack jobs.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
T. Jefferson
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
I'd like to second his recommendation... if you haven't read the Book of Revelation, you should. It will give you great insight into the minds of the people we are dealing with here. Key point: they think that the End of the World is GOOD THING.
'Nuff said.
Thank God I'm an agnostic. And I had a personal revelation that religion is basically just a steaming pile of myth....
We, the do nothing, majority voted for it Congress, and him.
The irony here is that if Jesus Christ were to come back today, these same "Christians" would crucify him all over again. . . probably after waterboarding him
We, as a nation, are going to hell in a handbasket and this guy talks about the importance of some Druid solstice thing? WTF?
Lex Talionis @ 20:
I've studied EVERY Religion.
Basically, Jesus's transcendental teachings were never meant to be "interpreted" by IDIOTS and then put onto mass market. I know what were up against.
IGNORANCE
ralph @ 23:
If they even recognized him.
So I'm assuming all those who object to this resolution (which I find pointless and a waste of time) similarly object to the resolutions honoring Ramadan and Diwali, right?
In addition, how to explain that eight of the nine voted for the Ramadan and Diwali resolutions but voted against this one?
Raging lunatic .........
abarts @ 15:
Indeed, it's a slippery slope ...... next will be that the catholic's version of god is real and bible is law ........ oh wait ......
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
Doesn't matter either way, if it was the origional he'd be brown, so water spa treatment straight away.
Is this what Iowa produces? I appreciate a different kind of pork from there. Why do they have the first caucus? I don't think they represent mainstream America. Honestly, I have friends from there-friendly enough but... and this is what they have to offer the nation.
I want someone who actually has a brain start gainsaying these idiots who espouse that the US is a Christian Nation, and founded as such, as i have posted, that it most certain is not, never has been.
Preamble to the Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
No Christianity mentioned there, no siree!
Bill of Rights:Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Lookit! No Christianity mentioned here either!
Now for the kicker!
Treaty of Tripoli:
Article 11
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Even the Pledge of Allegiance was altered in 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God" to smoke out communists, because as we all know, real communists would never say "Under God". *disparaging noise*
Spread this around, copy and paste at will, whenever anyone, politician or fundie spouts this nonsense again.
Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine and the evident relevance to today's masters of Shock and Awe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc
What is it with Christians that makes them so insecure? Shouldn't they be content knowing that they are God's chosen people?
Also, his picture is kind of creepy. Crazy eyes + pedosmile (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pedosmile) makes me uncomfortable.
JerryM @ 28:
. . . . . . and anyone without a Nativity scene setup during Christmas in the front yard or the Ten Commandments prominently displayed in the living room will be viewed with fear and suspicion?
I agree, clear violation of the First Amendment... its not the first amendment to fall victim to Republican politics. But if you are sitting home comfortably twiddling your thumbs on this one... you deserve it.
I'll stand up and say that I'm proud that I live in a country where I can
get paid my boss not to work for a day
because of other peoples delusions.
The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.
-Adolf Hitler
keyes, bond, and this wingnut are competing for the kook of the day.
Geez.
"He" would understand when "I" say, "Fuck those who would abuse the name of a guy named Christ".
I know. Like all nuts, we (We?) speak on a regular basis.
By the way, it's all over on New Years Eve 2015.
Christ/Jesus had nothing to do with Christmas. It was celebrated centuries before Christ/Jesus came into it. Google Origins of Christmas. It's a man made religious holiday.
Don't they know that we already dedicate a holiday for Christians and every body else that wants to celebrate?
Bears repeating (and worth at least a smile) ...
In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season – the Christians called it 'Christmas' and went to church; the Jews called it 'Hanukkah' and went to synagogue; the atheists simply went to the parties and drank.
And people passing on the street would yell out to each other “Merry Christmas!” or “Happy Hanukkah!” or to the atheists “Look out for the wall!”
(h/t to David Barry)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;, etc., etc,. "
That means, at least to me, that we are NOT a Christian nation, but a multicultural nation which allows all to practice the religion of her or his choice, or not to practice any religion at all, and it's THEIR choice, not the choice of those we elected to represent US THE PEOPLE.
I'm trying to be a Christian - it's a journey, not a destination - and it's getting harder and harder to profess my journey in a country where lameass numbnutz like Romney, Huckabee, and this twit King constantly show their asses in public about their beliefs, not so much their religious beliefs or faith journeys, but their misbegotten beliefs about what our country is really all about.
casam @ 40:
I'm tired of Christmas. It should be renamed Greedmas.
12String NC @ 43:
Yeah. Thats from the old piece of paper we used to know as the Constitution.
L.A. Confidential @ 25:
You're not wrong about that.
But the idiots doing the self-interested interpretation go all the way back to the first drafts of the Gospels. Jesus didn't write anything down, and his apostles were most likely all illiterate (farmers and fishermen) ... the Gospels weren't written until a century or more later, by people who couldn't possibly have known anyone who was even alive at the same time as Jesus of Nazareth. Add to that the fact that the process of determining what was to be included in the New Testament was purely political, amounting to a series of power struggles between various factions and sects within the early Church, and had very little to do with the actual content of the various gospels, letters, and apocalypses considered.
In short, Christianity couldn't have less to do with Jesus' teachings if it tried.
I think there should be a nativity scene on the lawn of the capital building. I think this guy is a natural to lay on the ground and pretend to be what the animals leave behind. You cannot get much closer to Jesus than that.
Since the US Congress has gone on the record proclaiming Christianity important, if I were a congressman, here is what I would do. I would draft legislation making the following points in addendum to this resolution:
HR 1324; The Freedom, Love, Puppies, and Babies Bill
The teachings of the profit Jesus Christ are important and wise with regard to:
1) how we should treat the sick and the poor. We vow as a nation to better serve those who are less fortunate in accordance to these teachings.
2) the evils of wealth. We vow as a nation to take steps to equalize the distribution of wealth from the obscenely rich to those in need.
3) peace. We vow as a nation to end all war.
. . . well, you get the point. I'll let others add to it if they so choose. But I would specifically and intentionally keep this focused on the Christian faith. No mention of other profits of wisdom, just the Christian faith. If they want to use Christ's name to manipulate the electorate, then I say force them to make the full commitment to the teachings of Christ.
Let's see just how far that goes. They'd scream like stuck pigs. What a bunch of assholes.
... and Jesus wept.
Lex Talionis @ 10:
So we all know that 30% is basically 1/3,but for some reason 1/3 is a lot more scary than 30% I know its just psychological but still.
Part of this is from the constant assault on conservative cultural values from the far left for 25 years. Liberals have been baiting conservative America since the 60s and it simply goes against everything these people value.
I learned at a young age that when my Aunt would start going off into religion during family Holiday gatherings, everyone would suddenly have something they needed to do.
Well, I'm off to do the dishes.
I need to go out to the car.
Let me go put on the game.
I need to go to the bathroom.
I'm going to run to the store.
Time to get the desert ready.
Well I guess I should take the kids for a walk.
I better put the dogs out for a while.
Etc, etc.
No one ever said, Will you PLEASE shut the f' up and go jump off a cliff!!!!
Let's worship Christ...or else.
Spot on, brother. The U.S.A. as originally envisioned is over. Done, finished.
I date it two ways: 1776-1963, or 1776-2000.
"Worship Christ"? Uh, no, pal. Ain't gonna happen. So retreat into your little room and pray, and leave us clear-headed individuals alone.
Scytherius @ 6:
FUCK this idiot. no one has the right in this country to determine what religion is more important than any other. like the lunatic reichwing "conservative christians", a dangerous group at the least, this is going to far. they are so hypocritical.
I celebrate winter and Santa Claus and I like Christmas carols. I hope I'm not gonna be waterboarded.
How about we get Rep. King to celebrate Christmas the way the Pilgrims did? We already do Thanksgiving their way. Why not Christmas, too?
"We" is indeed FAUX news. The rest of us just know how to enjoy Christmas without making a big deal out of it!
I might point out that King himself couldn't be bothered to vote for his own measure celebrating the importance of the only religious holiday that's also a federal holiday.
brian @ 54:
I would think think they go with the pliers on the testicles treatment to get you to full and complete compliance.
bobaloo @ 27:
Both of those resolutions stressed the importance of religious pluralism. The Christian one only proclaimed how great Christianity is.
But I agree - all three, waste of time. We've got a war in Iraq and children without health care, people!
brian @ 54:
Nope, sorry. Jesus knows that you only said that to avoid torture, so you'll have to take your water-boarding with all the rest of the Crooks-n-Liars comment-posters.
Oh, and did I mention that photo of King scares the Devil out of me?
Sarah @ 59:
What!?! You're not supposed to be thinking about those things, Citizen!! We've got illegal immigrants and celebrity scandals to worry about... what are you, some kind of America-Hating Nazi-Appeasing Terrorist-Sympathizer?!
Report to Room 101 for your rat-mask.
casam @ 40:
Christmas is a romantic (Dickens) fantasy, and was never of any special importance as a Christian holyday like Eastern used to be.
Today's "christians" are not your fathers Christians. Today's "christians" walk around with a huge chip on their shoulder trying to pick fights with everyone and anyone, even each other. They are the least Christian people I have ever known. They have blasphemed the name of Christ and turned him into punk itching for a fight. If this is "christian", then I will have no part of it.
Only 48 of you gave a damn what Bishop Tutu said.
rasta @ 37:
Thank you for your Hitler quote. Unfortunately they are as relevant again today as they were useful then.. Here's another one..
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Suits the Bush Adminstration/Cabal perfectly
proud atheist @ 33:
More religious insertion. I am disappointed that my congressman voted yea..Steve Israel. He'll be getting a(nother) letter from me.
Cas @ 63:
So is in line with other romantic crap, which does always well for simple minds, like whitchhunting, fascism and neo-conservatism.
Question is, WHY did he seek this legislation. For what practical purpose.
Christianity is a rip off of greek mythology.
Steve King's 'we' sure as hell does not include 'me'.
He can take his ignorant, bigoted bullshit and jam it up his ass with a talking-head jesus doll.
Then he can mount his next forthright campaign for motherhood, and I'll tell him in advance, he's a 'Fuc*er Mother'. (Did I get that wrong?)
casam @ 40:
All the Christian holidays have a Christian relevance. Christmas, of course, celebrates the birth of Christ and Easter His death. What's "man made" about them is the dates of their observance.
Jesus wasn't born on Christmas Day any more than He rose from the dead on Easter. The early church placed these holidays and others where they did in order to supplant pagan observances held at those same times. Christmas was placed in opposition to rituals in honor of the Winter Solstice and Easter went after the Vernal Equinox. There are other examples but you get the idea.
ralph @ 23:
exactly right.
the closest representative of the republican principles would be lucifer himself: hypocrisy, lies, war, greed, selfishness, deceit, destruction... tell me one christian thing any modern republican representative has every done (not said) for this country or this world and then they might deserve the title "christian".
if lucifer really were trying to take over again... do you think he would readily identify himself as lucifer? no. he would pretend to be a republican representative masquerading as a christian.
lp @ 74:
Bush turned Bin Laden the other cheek..
I've met Rep. King -- before I moved he was my Congressman. His election to Congress initially, in a heavily Republican district, was somewhat of a fluke. In a five-way primary (and I don't think King was the most right-wing of the lot, either) for an open seat, none of the candidates won enough votes to win the nomination. So, they decided the nomination at a GOP convention. From what I've heard about that convention, King wasn't the first choice, but as other candidates support dropped, King picked up more votes until he had the needed margin for the nomination. He then won the general election rather easily...and the rest, bless his little heart, is history.
Honestly, Steve King is the type of self-assured, fervent believer who makes it very, very difficult for me to believe anything.
Funny, since Christianity is a feudal hierarchy with God as king, and the US is a democracy in what way is America a Christian nation?
The Greeks thought up democracy as a form of goverrnment 500 years before the baby Jesus was born, so aren't we more Greek as a nation than Christian?
crazytown @ 70:
This is simple incrementalism. It's what the Cons have been doing ever since Goldwater got his head handed to him in '64. One little thing, one grain of sand at a time, over and over again until we end up living in a theocracy, just as we now find ourselves living in a fascistic state that very few of us ever saw coming.
King is absolutely batshit insane. He can be found on Cspan late at night with his poster's and his patent bullshit. He turns my stomach--what kind of people would elect an imbecile like him to Congress?
His district must be made up of some real beauts!!
Now if this "Christian" would propose legislation to feed the hungry, house the homeless and abolish the death penalty, he would actually be following Christ's teachings... why don't these "Christians" follow Christ?
sofla @ 80:
The modern day Christianists are far too busy worshipping EGO than to ever worry about GOD. GOD is simply something that they hide behind, use to discriminate against others, proclaim themselves to be perfect and use as an excuse for their greed.
Reading about imperialism at the end of the 19th century strikes me as quite similar to the current flavor, only today's version would have killed many more Filipinos.
But anyways..
And was Bill O'Reilly a co-sponsor?
When the government gets around to installing the always-on, no off-switch, radio receivers in every home, before the daily morning invocation by Robertson,before the 'Praise Jesus' choral shouts from MaGoo's San Antonio CUFI cult, we ought to insert the theme from 'Twilight Zone', just for old time's sake, a small touch of reality.
It is so funny...
The more the Christians try to tie Jesus Christ to this time of year... The more they paint the historical Jesus into a mythological corner...
One that turns Christ into a 10,000 year old recurring cultural anthropomorphically "pagan" tradition.
The mere fact that they continue to do so ...simply exposes their utter ignorance to those that know... (even if we are very few amongst the populace)
I can write tomes.. but I will not bore you with a whole entire book of historical mumbo jumbo just to prove what many of you already know to be bullshit in your own hearts.
3 things of import:
1. King, the sponsor of this resolution (i.e. the one from Iowa and not NY) did not even take the time to vote. Check the link out above. Must not have been too important, I guess.
2. The resolution recognizes the role of Christianity in the founding of the country. really? what role was that? did King lose his copy of the first amendment?
3. If you read this resolution closely it is markedly different from the other two resolutions mentioned above and may explain the differing votes.
casam @ 40:
They are ALL creations of man. Oh, and Happy Kwanza.
How is this even on the agenda? The Democrats supposedly took the House by a significant margin yet Pelosi keeps giving the conservatives control of the schedule (think MoveOn/Petreas ad). Impeach now! (and start by ditching Pelosi & Reid).
At LAST! We now understand why impeachment is off the table. We do not DARE allow Congress to be diverted from such VITAL, NATIONAL business as this.
NOW, AT LAST, I can sleep at night, THANK YOU!
L.A. Confidential @ 44:
Or Masgreed.
fuck these rapture bunnyist chomping on carrots on Cyrus Scofield's farm
ashton @ 81:
Exactly. Their real "god" is the god of hubris and deceit.
#37 & #66 & #92 etc are on the right track. This is pure GOP distraction. Talk about anything but healthcare, jobs, and education. Decent people fret over the chaos in Iraq. For some in GOP, chaos in Iraq is the plan - if their company is making money there. Even here at C&L we expend 100 posts on this fluff.
"It’s time we stood up and said so..."
Am I missing something there, or has Christianity been America's best kept secret all these years?
I wish somebody had the balls to tell this ass-hat (King) that this nation is not a Christian nation - it is a secular nation. A nation that stays neutral with respect to religion.
Somebody should shove under this ass-hat's nose the U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, unanimously approved by the senate in 1796 and signed by John Adams:
Of course, that assumes the ass-hat can read.
In short, congress is just holding the religious-right by the hands with King's little petulant display.
I only say this because King would not even vote to acknowledge any other religious celebration let alone religion in the U.S. Just like most of the religious-right, it is all about them.
crazytown @ 70:
He had the illusion it would cure his delusion.
.
Question for Congressman King:
Can I be a Muslim AND be an American?
.
still waiting for the pagans to sue the christain churches for mis use of their holiday, christmas was a pagan holiday way before it was borged by the christians just like ever other holiday they say is theirs. come to think of it is there anything originally theirs that is celebrated besides torture witch burning, and conformaty hmmm
AMERICA, F*CK YEAH!!!
Next we should vote to Love Our Children! You hear that Democrats? Go ahead, vote against loving our children!
Then we should hold a vote on whether to preserve the American Way of Life! Nevermind what that phrase means, it's the L'il Home On the Prairie warm feeling it gives you that you're voting for! Go ahead, Democrat party, vote against the American Way of Life!
Then we should have vote on whether Mom's Apple pie is good! Go ahead Dems, vote against Mom's apple pie!
That's enough work for a three-day Congressional workweek, ya think?
In the immortal words of Lee Ving and Fear: Fuck Christmas!!!
Spoons!
That's another thing we should clarify; Americans' unanimous appreciation of spoons.
Spoons are important, perhaps the most underrated and underappreciated of all cutlery.
It's time we as Americans recognized spoons as an important contribution to our daily lives.
Let's put it to a vote; all in favor of the 'American Patriots for Spoon Recognition' Amendment, say aye. (and if you don't vote for this, then you're a DFH terrist)
proud atheist @ 33:
I thought Jews had a trademark on "God's chosen people" as a marketing slogan... maybe that is why Christians are so insecure?
The Dude @ 102:
"God's other white meat"
I guess MANY of us are not a part of "WE"....OUR America needs to be reclaimed before this gets worse....( okay what a joke....like it is not bad enough...horrendous...)
Struggles with Heaven and Earth: a polemic rant.
".... The policy of the emperors and the senate, as far as it concerned religion, was happily seconded by the reflections of the enlightened, and by the habits of the superstitious, part of their subjects. The various modes of worship which prevailed in the Roman world were all considered by the people as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful..." Ed Gibbons / Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
The Hillary Clinton who took part in NPR’s Democrat Candidate Q&A last week walked off with Best of Show. Her extemporaneous responses were clear, concise, and bundled in polite, informed brevity — she stayed with what she knew and responded on-topic with ease. Hillary was different. Dunno why, but it looked good.
Then Sunday, Wes Clark went public with his endorsement: a relief because Hillary’s campaign is not showing the stones required for experience necessary as CINC (Commander In Chief) — her past toughness works on domestic and soft power foreign policy issues, but has not translated into military bearing — not convincing. It is imperative that Senator Clinton’s choice of Presidential Admin people includes a few competent, experienced warriors…. General Clark’s recent book, A Time to Lead, locks-in credentials tempered with political philosophy demonstrating viable attributes — Wes Clark / Veep.
[Edited for length-Sitemonitor]
This was a stunt. For those Fux viewers with two teeth in your shaved head who can't quite figure out why Xma$ is under attack from the left, let me draw you a picture (in crayon) that you may understand.
1. Rep. King knew that at least one person would abstain from his motion, while 99% would be too stupidly afraid to object to the unconstitutional support of a religion.
2. Rep King knew that Fux would invite him on to rant and rave about the one person who didn't vote for his resolution. When he got 9 NAY votes and 10 present votes he jumped for JOY. Yes that's right, he was HAPPY that people voted against his unconstitutional resolution. The more people who actually vote against him, the more offended he can pretend to be and make a bigger issue out of nothing.
3. After the taping of his Fux Noise interview, Rep King went back to his DC apartment and ate Beluga caviar (fish eggs for you fux people) out of the butt crack of an underage male hooker.
I could be wrong about #3, it may have been Osetra instead of Beluga, it was kind of dark and there was quite a lot of pot smoke in the room.
I am who I am, and I am confident. As for the rest of that guff, fuggetaboutit!
John Barringer @ 78:
Those were my thoughts exactly. Look how many ways the exits are being sandbagged,
this one will probably be used to set down a 5-ton ten commandment grotesquery on the steps of some other courthouse, or a bleeding cross rammed on the lawn of a public school. Amazing how these brutal and crude these christers are, they just don't stop.
Those charter schools too are getting out of hand with christer's spawn bullying kids of unsuspecting families right here in colorado. At least we got rid of Bill Owens finally, freakish governor worked hard at dumping children from healthcare and succeeded.
Let's all present OURSELVES as DEMONIC and house the homeless, return real educational opportunities, feed the hungry, and tell panhandlers to NOT say "god bless" when you give 'em a fiver.
The irony here is that if Jesus Christ were to come back today, these same “Christians” would crucify him all over again. . . probably after waterboarding him
Naw, they wouldn't crucify him. They'd execute him with a more modern "humane" method.
And then afterward there would be a religion where people would be wearing little electric chairs or lethal injection needles around their necks.
"In Colonial America, the Puritans of New England disapproved of Christmas; its celebration was outlawed in Boston from 1659 to 1681. At the same time, Christian residents of Virginia and New York observed the holiday freely. Christmas fell out of favor in the United States after the American Revolution, when it was considered an English custom."
Attributed to Andrews, Peter (1975). Christmas in Colonial and Early America. USA: World Book Encyclopedia, Inc.
ha! The Puritans (Protestants) disapproved of Xmas because they saw it as a Catholic celebration. For people looking for religious freedom, ironically they prohibited most of it if it wasn't theirs.
Personally, I've come to despise xmas, its greed, commercialism and phony caring for others that comes to an abrupt end after New Years. If this is what Christians are all about, let them have it but don't force me to participate in it. Just as Christians hijacked the pagan rituals, I'm reconstituting some of them back into my life. Celebrating the rebirth of the sun (not "son") is much more empowering to me.
I don't give a shit what the wingnuts celebrate in their own homes. When they bring it into the government sphere, that's a major problem.
Ha who is this we white man ??? I hate batshit neo nazi christians
Wow... I didn't know that genocide and slavery were "Christian principles" that this nation was founded on, Rep. King.
The Treaty of Tripoli that the congress ratified SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION.
ENUF SAID!!!!!!
I just called King's Washington office -
Washington, D.C.
1609 Longworth Office Building
Washington D.C. 20515
Phone: 202.225.4426
I had a long (polite) discussion with a staffer (Jeff, I think) who was as confused and misinformed about the founding of this nation as Mr. King is. I urge you all to call and voice your concern (politely) about a politician using his position to further a religious agenda. He needs to be reminded that elected officials serve all constituents, not just the Christian ones, and that despite his ignorant comments, the US was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Refer to the Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 specifically.
Thanks
Did anyone notice that King didn't even vote on his motion? He must be a self-loather and anti Christian as well.
BTW...as a resident of the state of Iowa, King makes me want to vomit everytime he opens his yapper.
I know I shouldn't be surprised by Rethuglican tactics or Democratic spinlessness, but how come only 10 nays???? When I heard this theocratic resolution, I still gasped WTF, even though I shouldn't any longer. Then I gasped when I heard that our party of theocrat enables only mustered 10 nays. Sigh for our Constitution and secular democracy, which was not founded on Christian beliefs or principles.
So that means I gotta do my Christmas shopping?
I suggested to my congress person that someone should sponsor a resolution recognizing the First Amendment and separation of church and state. Let's get folk on record to see where they stand.
Maybe if others write their congress people and suggest the same thing it might happen.
King is one of those guys that worships a homeless man on Sunday then ignores one on Monday.
The Dude @ 17:
Actually, for King this was brain busting work. worth 150K a year. Most people don't have enough time and money to celebrate anyway, even if they wanted to.
I'm getting fuckin sick of all these damn churchies pushin their beliefs on folks like myself...while in POLITICAL OFFICE no less! Assholes! War on xmas my ass! Fuckin xtians have declared war on everyone that doesn't follow in lockstep with their narrowminded beliefs!!! FUCK THEM!
Goddamn motherfuckin xtians of convenience!
George Washington was head of his Freemasonry chapter.
Are all Americans Freemasons?
Eternal Vigilance @ 103:
Does God beat his meat?
Hey Steve,
When I go to hell, I'll make a spot for you, buddy.
Nunsense!
stop bloviating on internet forums and write your congress person! Give them backlash! Suggest they sponsor a resolution recognizing the First Amendment and the separation of church and state. Your silence on this matter implies consent.
Take action!
What's with that fixed glassy stare?
Is he a taxidermist?
With all the problems this country faces, that our Congresscritters can focus on something this trivial just puts me off Christmas, and I wasn't on to start with. Such a waste.
debaser71 @ 126:
You're absolutely right...silence does indeed implie consent...thanks for the reality check.
Sorry, Christmas and Christians are about as unimportant as something could possibly get....
jerzeylady @ 128:
I like getting wasted on Christmas.
We?
My employer is a Hindu doctor, another staff doctor is Jewish and another Christian, one fellow worker is a Buddist, another fellow worker is agnostic, still another is Morman (not sure if Rep King classifies Mormans as Christian), an accquaintence I have is Muslim, and yet another accquaintence is atheist. Last I learned serveral "Founding Fathers" were not Christians.
Don't know what country this guy is representing; but, it doesn't sound like America.
Just popping in to say how proud I am that my Representative, Yvette Clarke, voted Nay. Go, girl!
ysbaddaden @ 123:
Hope so. Otherwise, he tends to get a little cranky.
Between this story and all of the bullshit our wack-job of a leader has caused... Im moving to Canada and beoming agnostic. Stories like this really make me consider suicide. I think it's the only way to stop the pain
Faith haters suck.
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