Chris Matthews dismisses Carol Hunter of the Des Moines Register because of Hillary Clinton endorsement
Chris Matthews' obsession with Hillary Clinton in recent weeks got even more bizarre after he attacked Carol Hunter for endorsing Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party because she's a woman. Yep, that's all. And in Tweety's inane and simple mind, that's the only reason the Des Moines Register would have selected Hillary for the job. Insulting much, Chris? I guess their endorsement of John McCain wasn't enough for him.
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Matthews: ....she may have gotten the Des Moines Register's endorsement the other day thanks to her husband's lobbying, with its female editors and publisher, but voters have spotted the dagger. They don't like what it looks like.
C&Lers may disagree with Hunter's pick, I leave that for you to decide (I like the Democratic field), but Matthews owes Carol Hunter an immediate on-air apology for his misogynistic outlook and very feeble view. The way the media has treated Hillary has been disgraceful since she has been ahead in the national polls, but Matthews couldn't contain his hatred of Hillary to her alone this time. What does Carol know anyway, right Tweety? She's just a female, probably with a shrill voice too... Chris should just announce his support for the cop on the street or the Aqua Velva man already and be done with it.
For more on the Clinton Derangement syndrome in our media check out Bill Moyers and Kathleen Hall Jamieson discussing this topic:
KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: One of the complications of this is we're moving into new linguistic territory. And we haven't found a way to discuss this. When a woman stands up and asks Senator McCain, "How do we beat the bitch?" and there isn't a clear statement by Senator McCain that that's not the way one characterizes, you know, my opponent on the Democratic side. And there's not a public commentary that surrounds it the way there was a public commentary about the statement by Imus or about the comedian from SEINFELD. Essentially what we say to the culture at large is that must be appropriate discourse to apply to a female candidate running for office — or at least this female candidate. BILL MOYERS: It's okay to talk this way.
KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: It's okay to talk this way...read on
Is it OK to say "F**K them all and let God sort them out"?
Oh, sorry, I was sounding like Cheney.
she is endorsed because she is an approved, branded, corporate product!! just like most people like to buy!! she is bought and is now being sold yo YOU!!
we should be screaming for kucinich but EDWARDS is the obvious choice!!
CHRIS-HARDBALL SEEMS TO DEGRADE SENATOR CLINTON AT EVERY TURN. I CAN'T LISTEN TO HIS PROGRAM ANY MORE.
GAH
I'm sorry, but I actually think people's strong dislike of HRC most often has very little to do with the fact that she's a woman and usually has much to do with the fact that she's HRC. The hatred is real and it's politically relevant because - bottom line: lots of people refuse to vote for her because the plain don't like her - but it's a complete cop-out if you credit sexism for the hatred and thereby suggest it's a baseless feeling held by objectionable people.
Well, to be honest-- I've yet to hear a Hillary Clinton supporter offer anything other than 'she's got female genitalia' as their reason for supporting her. Granted, I've met exceedingly few members of that legion of support the corporate media assures me she has, but still.
Is there any reason to support Hillary Clinton over any of the other candidates? "She's a woman" just doesn't fly for me, especially since it usually comes from people who claim to oppose sexism.
Chris was right.
Maybe not so much about the endorsement, but about her political wriggling.
This pathetic corporate/republican cocksucker lost his credibility with the Dubyah in the flight suit incident and the interview(?) with Coulter(one of the worst interviews ever). He is simply MSNBC's O'Reilly. I will never watch or listen to this sorry fucker again.
I don't mean to defend Tweety in saying this, but the program is called "Hardball" and the comment, while skirting the edges of mysogyny, aren't really directed at Hillary as much as at Bill's behavior.
But, I have to admit this is all more a form of entertainment than an adventure in critical thinking.
I found a surprisingly well reasoned assesment of "The Obama-Clinton Issue" from David Brooks (of PBS' "Brooks and Shields") at his NY Times Opinion page, here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Cat Atomic @ 5:
Right on, Catatomic. Even my wife can't give me a better reason for supporting Shrillary.
Some times I wonder if Chris is jealous of all women. What would that say about him?
Damned librul media!
How 'bout an Edwards/Dodd ticket?!!!
She sounds exactly like Bush.
That's a good question, and questions are great, and I welcome these questions, and
historyvoters will decide...Dr. Matt @ 11:
This is what CNN considers "Breaking News" I just received this email from them
"Aruban prosecutors office says the three suspects in disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be not charged."
Didn't get anything like this from them yesterday when Sen. Dodd was talking his head off trying to save our Consitution.
More like the entertainment media than news media. It explains why so many people don't know a damned thing important about this election and the candidates.
Personally I feel Obama is more ideal than concrete. And I'm an African American, though he does show a lot of hope, I think Clinton is better for the job. She been in the playing field during her husband terms, and became Senator by herself. A lot of the the people gonig for the election haven't really been in the white house... she actually did, so I'll say she has experience. On both sides of the field...
I do want to understand 'why' so many people hate her. The only reason i can think is the smeer on her through the years. Though I can understand if people prefer other people.. but irrational hatred and favorism isn't going to do this country any good... I mean.. look who GOT into office based on that.
But.. i'm also for their proposal and how they acted.. not these 'little' tidbits of fluff.. such as he says she said etc.
Dr. Acula @ 9:
eh.. she been in the white house with her husband for 8 years, and also managed to be Senator, slightly more experience than the other people running? I think that's a reason.. you don't even need someone to tell you.
Chris Matthews:
"No wienie... no likie"
Notice how the Hillary campaign's attention to background props is eerily similar to Bush? Hillary is just like regular folk - she's coming to us from a Diner!
First they exclude Gravel and Kucinich, then they endorse America's Margaret Thatcher. This in a State where gay marriage, pornography and immigration are more important issues to the locals than ending the Iraq occupation, torture or the erosion of basic civil liberties. There's a reason for people leaving Iowa.
I truly feel sorry for the person on your staff who has to watch these programs...their therapy or liquor bills must be astounding...
This is just a test. I couldn't post yesterday, and I wanted to congratulate Dodd in the worst way.
Well ... Chris is ready to state Mitt Romney looks presidential because of his chin, and Chris thinks he's defying the aging process by being an eternal platinum blond, so cut 'em some slack.
I can't stand Shillary, but Tweety is annoying with this and just about any issue he talks about. He needs to apologize but he will never do so.
I like Kucinich and Dodd, if one of them doesn't get the nomination I will not vote for a Dem, the rest are pathetic. Where were the other candidate yesterday? What Dodd did was brilliant, what Obama and Shillary did by not showing up for such an important debate makes it clear they're not leaders just whores. Shillary is not even close to the progressive we need to lead us out of the cold winter the Dumbya Regime has created, she is pathetic.
Question Blog @ 2:
I agree on all counts,but that still doesn't excuse Tweety's macho women hating behavior.
This is such a bunch of crap. Hillary isn't being attacked because she is a woman. She is being attacked because she is a crap candidate. She wriggles, she squirms,SHE NEVER ANSWERS A QUESTION.
We need turds like her representing the Democratic party like we need Joe Lieberman...who by the way SHE ENDORSED...remember. Remember her fundraiser of good ole Joe?
This post was not focus group tested. Unlike Hillary.
Thanks for raising this point, C&L. Whether or not one supports Hillary or agrees with her positions on healthcare, the economy, or veterans' benefits, it is fair to point out that the MSM has been wildly inappropriate with characterizations of her laugh (referring to it as a "cackle"), her clothing, her sounding "strident", her seeming "cold". These characterizations are sexist. None of the men running in either party are subjected to the same demeaning analysis.
CLINTON SUPPORTERS: please take note.
If mushy brained mid-roader types like Tweety go ballistic over Hillary, you need to ask yourself, how is this going to play with the rest of America, most of whom are VASTLY less informed than Tweety and a frightfully large number of them believe in fairytales like resurrection and the Rapture?
Face it: She's not going to win. The Hillary obsession syndrome is already making their little brains boil. If she gets the nomination, it'll be all out war. A war she will lose. And if the Dems don't win in 08, the USA will cease being even a dysfunctional democratic republic, nad simply collapse into a twitchy fascist nightmare.
So: hold onto Hillary and walk into the ovens, or, dump hillary and take the country back from these fascist pigfuckers.
It's up to you.
As for the hatred towards HRC, it's a mystery. She has done nothing to warrant it other than be an active participant in the system while First Lady and an exceptionally strong and focused politician as a US senator and presidential candidate. The qualities she possesses would be admired in any man. The problem is that the media have not found the proper linguistic footing on how to deal with her candidacy. And neither have the candidates. When the woman asked how to "beat the bitch" not only should McCain have verbally bitch-slapped her, but should have taken the opportunity to say that such characterizations are not only an insult to HRC but to him as a presidential candidate. This is the sad state we live in today's political climate. Whoever has the edgier, more inflammatory soundbite gets noticed. It rubs off on voters who want to be heard. We allow this kind of thing to happen. We actually praise it by publicizing it without condemning it.
http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/
Pawsie @ 15:
There are definitely a lot of people that hate her, but there's also a lot of people that are just tired of her. She's been hogging the spotlight for 15 years now. As for her white house experience, check the parody of Sicko of her after the health care debacle. It's a joke of course, but all indications are that after the early years she eased into a more traditional first lady role. Meanwhile, Obama was doing substitantive work during his entire professional life as far as I can tell.
I dismiss Chris Matthews.
I dismiss Chris Matthews and Hillary Clinton
liberalista @ 26:
And about her healthcare ideas?? They REALLY suck. She is in the pocket of Big Pharma and the health insurance industry. Of course Tweety has zero capability to discuss the issues and just spews his dislike for women, what a complete putz.
Matthews' anti-woman bias has been evident to me for a long time. He talks over his female guests consistently (watch him for a while and you'll see it) in order to let his male guests go on and on-
after all, they're the only ones who matter.
Matthews entire show is now based on his hatred for the Clintons. They can do nothing right in his eyes. He, in his demented way thinks that they are the major issue of the day.
The entire time, he lets the neo con war mongering idiots get by with murder.
He should be fired....
He doesn't deliver the news...he just bashes the Clintons. We have an entire network set up for that already.
well after all... carol hunter is from iowa and is therefore completely unimportant. tweety lives inside the beltway and shares cocktail wienies with all the other villagers. that obviously makes his opinion more valid and much, much more important!
James Izzard @ 34:
And if Shillary gets elected she will also let the neocon warmongering madmen do their thing, she is so far from progressive why any good patriot would support her is astounding.
Like water is wet, fire is hot and and bears are hairy,
CHRIS MATTHEWS IS DISHONEST SCUM.
Fact, that.
Vic @ 36:
OOps ....why any patriot would support her is annoying.
hillary is delusional a la LIEberman. She still tries to hide behind operatives a la boosh. our commentator/lady is as flipfloppy as they come. that is quite fitting for hillary. nebulous, non-committal, disingenuous, equivocating.
I don't hate her.
I hate her politics, pretense and it's obvious that cnn and the desmoines register did what they could to promote hillary as the de facto pre-winner.
dodd and kucinich are the only ones who appear to actively support the Constitution.
hillobamiden doesn't come close.
I hate timmeh, but I admit he is right for calling hillary on her shit. she keeps trying to duck criticism while her people toss daggers at the opponents.
matthews in nothing more than a used piece of repiglican shit paper ..
CoIntelPro @ 39:
can't argue with that!
Oh, and another thing. My sister, a Republican, detects an anti-female bias out there in some attacks on Hillary. And she isn't voting for Hillary. But she thinks it's there. As a female in a once-male dominated industry, my sister saw subtle and not-so-subtle misogynistic stuff out there for years and became very attuned to it.
wtf dont you understand about hillery? she dont bake cookies , shes not like tammy winett , she dont stand by her man! but she has prommised to leave troops in iraq to defend that piece of shit embassy, and to train more iraqys and to keep an quick reaction force to go after alkida , and shes sucks off the corporations fer them green bucks , while old horndog bills out playing the back nine with his good friend poppy bush! babs is planning on adopting both bill and hillery when they become the first familly and shoveing gw in a shit shute at kenny bunkport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, I thought all the Neanderthals had died off. Guess not.
Face it, the Tweety-watching and BOR-watching folks don't have to have a good reason to believe anything, they hear "Hate Hillary" and their knees jerk in reaction b/c it fits their biases and fears.
There are way plenty of men in this world who can't stand the thought of being "ruled by a woman" (goes against the Bible) and will dump all over her just b/c she's a she. They go no farther than that.
I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet, prob. Edwards or Kucinich or Dodd, b/c of what they stand for.
See, "they" have ruled out Kucinich JUST B/C HE'S A SHORT MAN!!! I swear that's the main reason. Personal perceptions and biases are extremely powerful. Underestimate them at your peril.
Judge Hillary on her record, not her 'nads.
jamieson is right. One of my big concerns about Clinton is the right's ability to traffic in sexist language with impunity for exactly the reasons Jamieson identified. This, in my view, will cost Clinton in the general election in ways that Obama's race will not cost him.
Whether you like or don't like Clinton, comments like Matthews' are truly contrary to progressive politics.
This is amazing, from redstate.org:
Rush, you are my HERO. I love you. And I mean that in a completely non-Senator Craig sense.
I mean, you can hear liberal heads exploding from one end of the country to the other after these words on today's program:
In politics, perceptions are reality. So there will have to be steps taken to avoid the appearance of aging. You know, politics is not for sissies. Now, I'm looking at people on the other side of the glass here and they're laughing and they're smiling. They think I'm making a joke here and there's some big punch line coming. I'm not. You're not laughing at that? What are you laughing at? You're laughing at how...? (interruption) He's smiling because it's true! Okay. Maimone is smiling because it's true, and what also happens in this country when you say something that's true that people don't want to hear, man, do you catch it. I am fully prepared. I'm going to catch it here. That's really why he's smiling because he knows I'm going to catch it, but you're also responding because you know I can take it, you know that I can catch it, and throw it right back. So, politics isn't for sissies, and being president ages men faster than normal.
That's just one of the best things any American political commentator has had the guts to say in the past 50 years. The whole thing is worth a read, and I'm not being facetious. I admit that one of the reasons I like Mitt Romney is because he looks young, and one of the reasons I have doubts about Fred Thompson is because you could store Tiger Woods' golf kit in the bags under his eyes. That's not the only reason I like Romney, but it is one of them.
JudyLou @ 44:
What part of the Record?
The Iraq Authorization Bill
The FISA Bill
The Iran/Kuds Terror Bill
Hmmmm...I have judged her and she sucks.
Eeew... C&L smells like a Hillary supporter. Leave this kind of stuff to Media Matters.
Chris has been spot-on about Hillary over the last several weeks. It's about time someone resisted bowing down to Hillary's campaign and praising her for everything she does (a la the entire CNN network).
What has Hillary done. Voted for War every time. Voted to designate Iran military arm as terrorists. Voted for Patriot act and Military Tribunal bill eliminating the writ of habeas corpus. Yesterday as I watched Chris Dodd fight against immunity for telecoms Hillary was campaigning in Iowa with Biden and Obama. They could have jumped on planes and stood up for us too. Kucinich is the best. Dodd is too. I think John Edwards is probably the best shot at winning and still having a voice for the working class although he is a member of the CFR. Ron Paul is the Republicans best shot. I would vote for him over most Dems other than Kucinich. He is small on government but big on the constitution. He has stated that he would not just cut social security. He said if we brought our troops home from all over the world we would have a huge amount of money that could be used for health care and social security. We need president that defend our rights.
JudyLou @ 44:
Play the gender card much?
There are tons of reasons not to trust Hillary (many given above), just as there were myriad warnings about Reid and Pelosi. The goal isn't to have "our turn" being the autocrats (which we suck at, anyway). The goal is to cease taking turns.
i watched that program and i thought mathews was implying a criticism of bill rather than hillary, suggesting that bill the "womanizer" wined and dined this female editor into an endorsement of his new campaign. take it as you will mathews is obviously not supporting hillary and i thank him for that. she's the least progressive of the democrats.
Hillary Clinton has no message other than inane talking points and her record suggests she is a hawk on Iraq, a hawk on Iran etc. and influenced heavily by special interests. Yet despite saying NOTHING in any debate at any time and being so similar to George W. Bush, partisan supporters want to dismiss charges against her as sexist.
Could Matthews have stated his view better? Surely - but the crux of his argument is that she is essentially George W. Bush part 2 and that she hasn't given voters any substantive reasons to support her. Also, much of her support is shown to be due to her gender exclusively and that is hard to overlook.
Comparing McCain to Imus or Seinfeld dude is a joke. I think he should have said something, but he didn't go on a n'r rant and he is not the one who called those young ladies nappy headed hoes.
She is condemning McCain's response to a rude statement by some old bag of shit as equivalent to actually being the one saying these things.
Come on, that's just stupid.
kissMAN@48 Yeah but why won't that inconsistent jackass go after the various types of vomit that the Republicans have offered the nation? And where has Matthews been all these years with the MANY scandals that have fucked up the country?
"SPIT matthews" has a HARD-ON for "MANN COULTER" and her rightwing ELKS. ..... So a real powerful woman like Hillary Clinton scare the gaytosterone out of him.
Jay @ 41:
Except this post is about Tweety, not Timmeh.
Dr. Acula @ 9:
Lucky for you guys and Matthews, when a newspaper endorses someone they actually publish an article stating the reason why. Here's a link for you guys assuming you have the ability read and think critically. Really, take time from your bashing and patting each other on the back and read it. Hint-it has nothing to do with her vagina. http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71...
I thought it was a mistake in judgement when he have over a whole hour to Ann Coulter, but it would seem that he's right in line with her beliefs. Tweety has seriously jumped the shark.
soup @ 57:
want eight more yrs of war in iraq? vote for hillery. want eight more yrs of the patriot act? vote for hillery!want another bush bot in the whitehouse ? you guessd it hillery rotten clinton!
Vic @ 32:
Actually, I like some of her ideas. I like the way she approaches the idea of universal healthcare as a necessity and requirement, much like public education. I like that large employers will be required to share the cost. I don't expect to change your mind. I can tell from your posts that you are staunchly against Hillary. That's okay. It's persistent voices like yours that get all of the candidates to take notice and appreciate all sides of an issue.
I turned Chris off a few months ago. He is obsessed with the Clintons in a very disturbing and unhealthy way. All he wants to know is if Bill will fool around. And I am not a Hillary fan. Chris definitely has personal issues and sometimes I get the impression he is still on the bottle. Turn him off! Maybe MSNBC can give Davis Schuster his own show and get rid of this idiot Matthews.
And another thing I don't like about tweety, he activates slobbery trolls!
The truth is that many Hillary haters hate her because she is a woman; they just don't want to admit it to themselves, so they find other reasons to demonize her and make her look like the antichrist. Similarly, many people I know who hate Obama do so because of his race; they just don't want to openly admit that they are racists either.
soup @ 57:
Perhaps you didn't read it yourself. The closest they came to any concrete reason for supporting her was that she "strengthened the Children’s Health Insurance Program". How's that going right now?
The rest was the usual vague twaddle you hear from Hillary Clinton's supporters. "She was First Lady for eight years" isn't really compelling, sorry.
despite matthews current thoughts on this matter, he has done more than almost any other pundit/news model/media whore to catapult hillary to the top of the democratic heap. his constant discussion of hillary, his frequent references to her inevitability, his tendency to inject a dose of hillary in nearly every single topic, etc. has all kept her campaign in the news, and given her night after night of free exposure.
that said, not liking hillary because she is a woman is shameful.
not liking hillary because she is an awful leader and not to be trusted, is just being astute.
I won't watch Chris Matthews and I don't watch MSNBC much anymore, I'm watching much more of CNN... This hatred he has for the Clinton's is ridiculous and I will not watch it.. I think that he is anti-woman and he really can't stand a woman that makes him feel inferior, so he is out to destroy her..
Also, the men that he has on his program that go along with it are just as responsible, you can see on their face they are embarrassed but won't speak out against it.. But that's the "good ole boys club" alive and well....
I'm more scared that Bill and Herbert Bush are going to team to work on American credibility as reported by CNN... what is it with the Bush and Clintons?
I think Matthews was taking a shot at Bill as well. He likes to imply things about Bill and women. That was part of his smear, I believe. That Bill was up there talking to women. Implication - he was charming these women (or worse) and they swooned for him and endorsed Hillary. It's a stretch but it's not beneath how Matthews thinks.
tweety is just suffering penis envy with carol and hillary.
or maybe he has been practicing those hand signals for the men's room when he covers the
rnc in minneappolis next year...........just in case he runs into larry craig. lol
lucid fiction @ 1:
Hillary Clinton and Carol Hunter?
Did Carol Hunter wax on and on about the aroma of Hillary's perfume?
liberalista @ 60:
She isn't for universal health care, she is for the same crap we have now. If her plan called for the elimination of the middle man, the health insurance corporations, it would be OK. But she is all for the continuation of health care as a for profit industry, this is nothing but regressive.
I'm sure that editor claps like a Chinese person--just like Hillary! (Seriously, Matthews said that)
I can't stand Hillary myself (Edwards supporter), but his anti-female bigotry is outrageous.
Davidson @ 73:
Clinton is more republican than republicans!
honestly, i dont see the difference between the two parties anymore,
both want more war
both want more power
both dont give a sh*t what you think!
F*ck it, i'm voting for Ron Paul!
JTM @ 50:
I'm not for Hillary. She deserves a fair shot, aside from her sex. BTW, surely there were female Neanderthals too.
soup @ 57:
Sorry, Soup. I don't like the fact that she was annointed the reichwing's pre-ordained dem candidate 4 or so years ago. I don't like her position on the war. I don't like the way she (like too many politicians) doesn't answer questions. I don't like the fact that she's so beholden to special interest groups. I don't like her robotic performances. By the way, I don't have anything against her having a vagina.
Jay @ 47:
Good. Then you're judging her on her record. I don't like her record either.
Hillary Clinton 2003
"This vote puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our president"
"I make this vote with great conviction"
Bitch.
I applaud your courage for crying out that the emperor (AKA Tweety) has no clothes. Those egomaniacal rejects from the National Enquirer who work at MSN think of themselves as king makers in this election and have clearly made the take down of Senator Clinton (who I don't necessarily support) their objective. Such shabby professionalism is beyond belief.
Thank you for your pointed criticism and I just hope those idiots over there will get a chance to read it. Some people in the media (Mathews and Russert included) are on way too much of a power trip during this election. I'm glad to see you recognize it and that some viewers have the good sense to stop watching their babble.
disillusioned @ 75:
It is simple, we live in a plutocracy and if the wingnuts get their way it will be a plutocratic theocracy. That is the regressive wingnut wet dream.
Who Chris Matthews wants to vote for president:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Rqa_vSzhs
Cat Atomic @ 64:
Rest assured, I read it. Fine, you don't agree with their reasons- neither do I. I don't agree with their reasoning behind the McCain endorsement either. I'm glad we raised the level of discussion.
unfrozencaveman @ 29:
well, if she doesn't win the primary, that would make it understandable.. but if she does.. will teh other people not vote, or vote for the other guy? Even if people are tire of her.. they should still keep the goal.. of getting what the democractic people are proposing into law.. not this interpersonal crap.
I sense a time coming when it's not okay to dislike Hillary as a candidate because she is a woman. This is a two-way street here. I honestly don't like Clinton because she's never said anything that doesn't sound like it was washed through a PR department and 4 focus groups first.
Sex has nothing to do with it. But the closer she gets to the nomination, the more you're gonna hear about people who dislike her because she's a woman, fact or not. Mark my words.
Dr. Acula @ 77:
Apology accepted. Thanks for raising the level of discussion. If i was a Hillary supporter we'd have something to discuss now, but I'm not. Also,I did not mean to imply you have a problem with her vagina, only that her or anyone else's vagina was not the reason for the endorsement.
Martin Prince stunt double tweety has daydreams about working for Fox and uses the Ailesian talking points as an audition for when his contract is up in 09
Pawsie @ 15:
Greater Internet Law #451
"When a commenter states what demographic they belong to in the first 3 sentences, you can be pretty sure they're not actually part of that Demographic."
Matthews is just another of the many media people trying to change the fact that he "swallowed" what the Republicans gave him. He is no leader and he shouldn't be admired at all. Between 2001 and 2006, he completely failed the nation when we really needed to be told the truth. When Bush's approval plummeted, he felt safe to then question things. He's a coward and a follower. If I ever want the truth, I'll avoid this weak ass punk.
holy crap... he also has the music in there... isn't this a bit 'fauxish'?
Ronin Tetsuro @ 88:
so I'm not black... okay...
i've been visiting c&l for over a couple of years now and one thing that i definitely see this election cycle is a hilary bias- which is your perogative- but i also see a sneaky bashing of obama which becomes more obvious as he starts to become more and more of a threat to her. i'm under no illusion that many progressives have in their mind a route that they see as the most probable for regaining that white house and most of those who consider themselves pragmatic authorities(ie pundits, mainstream bloggers, editorialists) figure hilary clinton as the driver. it seems that a deaf ear is turned to the fact that SHE DOES NOT ANSWER A DAMN QUESTION OR TAKE A PRINCIPLED UNPOPULAR STAND ON ANYTHING! is obama perfect? no, but i do think he is more principled than she is and has a higher moral fiber. if his actions aren't perfect, i do believe his reasoning is well-intentioned and benevolent. i increasingly don't feel that way about hil and bill. i'm a 30 year old black man working at the headquarters of a national union in DC. about 4 or 5 weeks ago, i told a coworker of mine that if hilary clinton wanted to lose then she would go scorch earthed policy on barak obama which would turn black voters against her. in my opinion, i thought it was extraordinary luck- and a little bit of tall-tale weaving by bill amongst the black electorate- that had her running at better than even amongst black voters. but last week, as if on cue, an attack on obama came from her camp that had a racial subtext(no democrat contender questioned gwb's drug use). it was stupid and it was all over urban radio stations morning shows. if not fatal, it wounded her greatly. i just get this ominous feeling that hil and bill will say anything to get back in the white house and i don't want to vote for someone who takes that approach.
While I believe that Matthews' show should be renamed "Oddball" because that is what he is, I take exception to your comment:
"The way the media has treated Hillary has been disgraceful since she has been ahead in the national polls..."
Since when does being ahead in the national polls grant you immunity from criticism and scrutiny?
Vote Edwards!
Wow! Matthews 'dismisses' Hunter?!
What's next, it he going to 'suspend' her?
Then 'eject' her?
Then 'banish' her?
Does Chrissie still think he's Pope?
I support Hillary Clinton.
I really don't care about her gender.
Those who attack her for it though like Rush, Drudge and Tweety are disgusting and I think will end up helping her get elected. Most women aren't going to stand for attacks based on gender.
If someone started to attack Obama for his race I believe the tide in African American votes would turn.
This is just typically locker room BS on national TV.
It's so strange to here Americans talk about how they wouldn't vote for Hillary even with her experience and her qualifications. What does it take for a woman to lead a country as she already has succeeded in leading an raising children. The new female President of Argentina used Hillary as a role model to win. I don't look at Tweety has an honest opinion on this election because he's a paid loyal Bushie. Now we all know if Senator Obama becomes the Dems candidate the race card will come out full force. That's what Tweety is hoping for. My son told me after he went to one of the Dems Debates this:
Hillary knows her stuff, but Obama is like a person with 4 Aces but doesn't know how to play poker. Enough said.
If you don't like Hilary Clinton and use words to describe that, you hate all women and think they should be back in the kitchen. That is what I got from the PBS article, and it is bullshit. I don't get why people think that hating Hilary means you don't want a woman in the Whitehouse. I want the best person in the White House, regardless of their reproductive organs or skin color. A criteria for being an effective leader (for me) is someone who will not divide the nation just by taking the oath of office. Hilary will do that. Sorry, but the hate for her is just too strong. Regardless of your own views on her ability to lead, you cannot argue that a large chunk of the population hate her and will always hate her.
Jackie @ 96:
I feel the same... all of this tidbit in the middle isn't important.. but people draw attention to it.. and almost have a prejudice aganist her... which is illogical.. but that's america for you.
You idiots have the same mentality that elected Bush and got us eight years of hellish leadership. Do your research and understand what you're talking about!! Hillary Clinton is known for being a work horse and as smart as a whip in the political circles. She researches everything and knows what she's talking about--whether you agree with her conclusions or not. Obama didn't even vote for the Kyl-Lieberman bill. Check out the No Quarter Blog by former CIA worker Larry Johnson. When it came to voting on General Casey, Hillary did her homework and rooted out Casey's incompetence as a leader—Obama blindly voted for him. Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a leader who is SMART for a change?
soup @ 83:
How did we raise the level of discussion? Just by dropping the word "genitalia"?
I remain convinced that Hillary Clinton's support, such as it is, mostly rests upon her gender. The only HRC supporters with whom I've spoken have all cited the potential novelty of having a female president as their reason for supporting her. They're willing to ignore things like the Iraq occupation, torture, domestic spying, etc. because they think it'd be peachy keen to have a woman in the Oval Office.
That's basically what it boils down to.
Sharon Y @ 99:
Voting for the Kyle-Lieberman bill is a positive thing for you?
I have always liked Hillary.. And I have always admired her.. She started in politics very young, not for political office but because she thought it was important.. Now, why HATE her, why not just not like her like other people you don't like.. Then why blame her because you hate her and could never vote for her because she is so hated? For these people, the problem is not with Hillary, it is with you...
you know.. people are going to vote for the one that they think should lead.. let's just leave it at that... and pretend people aren't that impressionable. amongst us aren't the undecided.. but people who already decided.. arguing for someone is pointless here.
It's about time they put this misogynist prick out to pasture. I wish that some of the women he talks down to would "put him in his place" on this type of shit.
Voting for someone because of their sex is no different than voting against someone because of their sex. Basing your choice on such gross categories is also stupid. I can't imagine that African-Americans find any comfort in Clarence Thomas's skin color. Would people who support HRC because she's a woman say the same thing if Phyllis Schlafly was in the race?
okieguy @ 95:
#95 you are right on target. Brilliant amalysis and perspective.
Since Hillary is making a big deal out of being a female candidate (not the first, by the way) then it is not completely out of line for Chris to raise the fact that the editorial board we mostly female. I don't see C&L jumping up and down when the media points out that this or that Obama endorser is African-American.
The larger point is that Hillary is an amater who is riding on the coattails of her husband. That is not a sexist comment, it is true. I doubt that the Chicago-born wife of an Arkansas law professor would have become Senator from New York if her last name wasn't Clinton. There are plenty of better-qualified and less divisive women in politics (my own govenor is one), it is sad that the only one with a chance is there because of her husband. Look at "travelgate" to see how inept and divisive she is -- nobody would have blinked had she said that she replaced the WH travel agents which is the right of the incoming party. (Look at what Bush gets away with without any critical comment even from liberal blogs.) Instead she almost gets indicted for lying about it.
Now that her polls are down she is lashing out and causing as much damage as possible to the other democratic candidates. Her latest shill even repeated the Madarassa lie about Obama. When a Democratic candidate's supporters start sounding like Fox News, you know something is not right. You don't even have to know that Clinton is pals with Bush Sr. as they rake in millions selling speeches to lobbiests and corporations.
Sorry folks but I see Hillary as electable. All you rabbid Hillary knockers are in for a rude awakening in '08. You can all align yourselves in the "Tweety" queue.
wlgriffi @ 108:
Why? Because YOU see her as electable? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Matthews is clearing either missing part of his brain or is brain damaged.
The part that facilitates logical thought.
Or is he just another damned White Christian Male protecting his testicles?
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Sharon Y@99 Agreed. Remember the fall of 2000 when (through skillful manipulation by the MSM ), many people (fools) decided that based on the info they were fed, LIKED Bush and HATED Gore? Hey lemmings, sure she makes mistakes, but she ain't no God Damn Bush. Take a good long look at the other side.
Left&Left @ 111:
say i did and she looks the same! kucinich08
wlgriffi @ 108:
As a Hillary supporter, your comment does nothing to bolster her. There are still 7 other Democratic candidates in the race, not one primary has been held, yet you want to bash anyone who doesn't support her at this point!?
BTW, Dr. Acula @ 12--I could really get behind an Edwards/Dodd ticket or even an Edwards/Feingold ticket?
It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.
dump Hillary and you win
Wake up people! Anyone who supports Hillary should be aware of at least 3 irrefutable facts:
1) She'll do anything to win - anything.
2) She's not liberal in temperament or political decision-making. To be frank, her ideology (if you could call it that) rests with each opinion poll telling her what other people want her to believe (i.e., Iraq, religion, etc.,).
3) If elected, she will not - NOT - alter anything that is currently wrong with the US based on the 2 aforementioned points.
Therefore, the fact that Mathews may have something against is irrelevant. Her evasive response concerning her attempted smearing of a fellow senator should be painfully transparent as to her (un)true character.
Matthews did the same thing to Gore in 2000, and more mildly to Kerry in 2004.
Democrats have a short-term memory with regards to the kind of damage that Matthews, Huffington, et al. have done, and can do.
Guy Fawkes @ 63:
Maybe some hate Hillary because she's a woman, but it seems to me that even more would vote for her because she's a woman. How is that any better? Her record sucks, and that's what matters.
I used to like BarackStar, but the more I see of him, the more I think, he's a good speaker, but is light on substance and action. If I actually thought he would get things done and change things, I'd vote for him.
Look at what happened yesterday. Clinton and Obama could have gone and stood with Dodd in the Senate, but they didn't. (I don't particularly think Edwards is what he seems either...) It turns out that the best candidates are white and male. Are we supposed to vote for the best candidate or vote based on their gender or the color of their skin?
Being a Cub fan(we have not won a World Series in 100yrs.) I'll use this analogy. We can't pick who we like or who is most liberal or we agree the most with. Its not personal. We just need to pick the best person of this very solid field of candidates and believe he or she is best suited to save this nation. It just may be Hillary folks. We can't afford to give up on anyone again like we did with Howard Dean, Gore or Kerry. The media is dictating our game plan.
Tweetie is so scared of strong, intelligent women because he doesn't know any.
All Reslug whores think it's perfectly OK to down grade any woman since that's all they know at home.
Why doesn't this clown Matthews spend a little time going after some of the other candidates? What about Rudy, or Romney, or Obama? If you watched Hardball you'd think there was only one candidate in this race for the presidency, Hillary Clinton! This diahrea mouth talks about NOTHING else and it's ALWAYS viscious. Pick on your damn friend Rudy or McCain occaisionally Mr. only so called liberal media guy to ever guest host for Rush Limbaugh.
Hey, they deserved that endorsement!
Bill Clinton had to do it with all three of those fuglies... how dare you demean his hard work!
Chris Matthews has recently insisted that he is being fair and evenhanded with his criticism of the Clinton and Guilliani campaigns but Media Matters investigated his claim and found that in the last 3 months he had made 10 negative comments about Hillary to every 1 about Guilliani and he made 3 positive comments about Rudy to every 1 he made about Hillary Clinton so this guys a lying sack-crap!
Cat Atomic @ 100:
How did we raise the level of discussion? Just by dropping the word "genitalia"?
YES! EXACTLY! You are finally starting to get it. The Register did not cite the novelty or peachiness of a female president. Obviously not EVERYONE who supports her supports her for those reasons. Do all Obama supporters back him because he is black? Of course not. Romney because he is Mormon? Of course not. Would you accuse newspapers of endorsing them for those reasons? Probably not. Your accusations are sexist. You raise the level of discussion by attacking Clinton and her supporters on little things called ISSUES and by not making uneducated assumptions based on a few people you have talked to. I'm sure even among the people you claim you spoke to, they had reasons besides gender.
I still can't think of a good reason to watch Cr ass show unless you are a Republican I won't even watch him on U tube
"BILL MOYERS: It’s okay to talk this way."
That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with Bill Moyers.
He has never learned not to say the opposite of what he means.
ed68 @ 115:
Doing anything to win.. you mean she flipflops on issues, or that she's going to kill someone. Winning is the goal of anyone running for president, but I think you need to add some negatives to that..
Now listening to opinion polls.. wouldn't that show that she respect the people and willing to do what the people want her to... instead of some big shot calling all the shots and being stubborn about it?
I believe you contradict yourself..Your two points aren't necessarily bad points.. I think that's what we want in a president.. Someone that listens to the people. Currently, I want someone like her.. I don't want extreme changes, but enough.. such as federal health care.. and someone who's willing to fix the international relationships that our currently president destroyed. At most, I'm hoping for someone that compromises.. not to try to make immediate changes.. but direct towards the ones that need to be change... such as the federal health care, equal rights for gays and lesbians, and putting the cap on these violations of the constitution.
pawsie @ 127:
Let me see if I understand you: you want to repair the abysmal state of US relations with the rest of the world AND implement federal health care, but aren't for extreme changes??? And you say I'm contradicting myself??? As for your quips about my points: First, I think it's very well understood that when I say Hillary will do "anything" to win, I'm clearly not talking about murder but the boundaries of acceptable political discourse - that includes, in case you were paying attention, not implying that your opponent is an inherent danger to the country if elected; Second, I don't buy - not even for A SECOND - that politicians read polls to satisfy the sincere desires of their respective constituencies. If that were even remotely the case, we would have been out of Iraq a long time ago. You read polls to determine what importance people attach to STUPID issues like prayer in school, belief in God, etc. That's called pandering and it's far removed from giving people what they need (besides, people don't always know what they need; you have to tell them - another attribute of a good leader). Notice Hillary has gotten religious all of the sudden...So my points do not, as you say, contradict each other. They mutually re-enforce one another.
Chriss matthews loves men and hates women give you any ideas folks
What is it about a certain subtype of Irish male from the NYC metropolitan area born between 1945 and 1963 that turns them all into simpering court eunuchs jealous for power, unable to equal who they deem as the "alpha-males" among and so slavishly obsequious but they get the daggers out for women who deign to try for power.
Damn! I am *not* a Hillary supporter. But Matthews makes me want to vote for her to spite all the assholes from my Irish Catholic NYC college that I refused to date for that very reason! Damn!
To hell with Hillary, Bill, and the lot. They are corporate lackies! Get Edwards in there if you want to get back America. Obama is gutless!
Callimaco @ 4:
I thoroughly, and completely disagree with this post.
Like it or not, America has sexism running through its veins; Pakistan has had a female president...PAKISTAN. Britain has had a female Prime Minister...
When people actually are slow enough to make the statement "she's just running for President because she was Bill's wife" Well..DUH. It's sad, but how many women do you see running for President? What do you HAVE to do as a woman to be taken as a serious Presidential candidate? This woman is an accomplished US official...oh wait, I guess most of you forgot that women in America just got the right to vote only 87 years ago...nooo, of course America isn't misogynist...
The comments I see uttered by people on a daily basis consist of a core set of complaints that call Hillary on character flaws that exist just as plainly in her male counterparts, but only she is called on them...because she's a WOMAN.
"ambitious" "plotting" "calculating"
And then the nation sat back and laughed when a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE refused to correct one of his supporters who called a sitting AMERICAN SENATOR a BITCH. No, there's no misogyny in America...but don't blame me, "I didn't vote for Bush" bridge players get wacked with punishments.
People can deny there are no subconscious tendencies to be programmed to dread that "motherly tone" but they exist...
As far as "corporate robot" I challenge people to point to any "serious" Presidential contender who is not forced to accept money from lobbies. Until that's changed, it's the way it's going to be.
UNTIL THEN, I challenge you to read the ABA's report on signing statements...thoroughly. Pay attention to Bill Clinton's record...he chose to follow the rule of law, and was concerned with supporting Civil Liberties...Hillary might take money from corporations, but I believe that she will at least consider the little people in her decisions.
There are so much slander against her, even progressives are buying into the lies.
As for me, I'll vote for ANY dem over ANY republican.
Well Hilary just re-took the lead in Iowa, so it flies in the face of Matthews statements about the "voters have spotted the dagger, and they don't like it." Obviously little Chrisie, they do like it.
Hillary is a corporate and AIPAC shill, without the guts to stand up to Bush on ANYTHING, and will never get my vote.
Josh @ 132:
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