Hoyer, just say the words!
Here's Steny Hoyer's response to John King of CNN a few days ago about Joe Lieberman's endorsement of John McCain:
Hoyer: Let me say that I'm sorry that Joe felt called upon to do what he did, but our Democratic candidate, as we have done in the Congress -- the first bill that we passed through this House of Representatives was the 9/11 Commission recommendation bill to keep our country safe. Last night we passed $31 billion in additional funding so that we could confront terrorism and defeat the Taliban which was, after all, the site from which this country was attacked and which, frankly, we have distracted our attention from.
And as far as Iraq goes, we need to defeat terrorists. When we've said we ought to redeploy, we have made the caveat that we ought to make sure that we continue to confront and defeat terrorism. So I think Senator Lieberman, who I -- is a good friend of mine, I respect him, but I think in this instance he is wrong. And our Democratic candidate is going to make sure that the American public knows that we are going to be committed to the safety of this country, to the safety of our people, and to the defeat of terrorists.
With friends like these, who needs____ (fill in the blank) How can Hoyer respect a man that has turned his back on the party that nominated him as their Vice Presidential candidate in the 2000 election? He is a traitor---plain and simple. Why does Steny still suck up to him? It only makes it that much worse. Call him out for once. Tell the world that Lieberman betrayed you. You'll feel better and so will we.
With friends like these, who needs colon cancer.
I lived in the DC area when Hoyer was first elected to congress. He was a bright and shiny liberal with an unlimited future. What a disappointment he's turned out to be. He is "The Candidate" embodied. Just another whore in a suit.
But but but if we attack Joe.....Jonah Goldberg is going to call us FASCISTS !!!!!!!!
so the democrats won't count Florida's votes for the nominee, but they'll stick with Joe even when he won't support the nominee (whomever that might be some 6 months from now). And the DSCC can't understand when they call my house why I'm a little ticked at how they're handling themselves.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Throw the bums out!
A basic introduction to the art and science of political semiotics in two pictures:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2007/12/basic-political-semiotic-theo...
One of the pictures is a tree!
OT, a very interesting program from the BBC:
Baby It's Cold Outside
in six parts.
when i reflect on l-man as the VP canidate in 2000, I wonder if he was a manchurian candidate set up by the corporatists, what does he know about the 2000 campaign that he is nt sharing??
I cannot respect anyone who respects Lieberman.
Traitor Joe....Karma is gonna get him.
Putz!
When Aggies go golfing.
Hoyer has beltway bumpkinitis. Lieberman is part of the establishment so Steny carries his water
John, John, John. Really. Snap out of it. Steny didn't say what you want him to because he doesn't feel the emotions and reasoning that you're transferring on to him. You and I might feel betrayed, but as far as Steny is concerned, it was the Democratic voters of Connecticut that betrayed Lierman. Lierman has ALWAYS been loyal to the party that Steny is member of - the Money Party, The Beltway Boys, whatever you want to call it.
It's because Lieberman's a senator. The Senate has this "don't call your brethren out" tradition -- even if they're scum like Jesse Helms. And Reid thinks they can still count on him! Hah!
That said, Steny could have been scrupulously polite and still called Lieberman a traitorous whore-monger, i.e. "I regret that my colleague has joined the forces of darkness..." That sort of thing.
John, when you say things like 'call him at once', you should follow it with something useful like maybe his phone number
I gave up on democrats months ago. When they were the minority they used that as an excuse to not stop anything the GOP was doing. Now that they're the majority they blame the GOP for fillibusters that they never attempted themselves as the minority.
They roll over to everything. Dodd, Feingold and maybe a couple others are doing their jobs but the rest are beyond negilgent.
I don't even think I'm going to waste my time voting this year. Frankly, I don't think it matters who is in office. Not a one of the candidates who actually has a chance of winning is going to do anything to make things better. What's the point of taking my time and being frustrated by the outcome anyway??
HOYER, EMANUEL, PELOSI, REID, FEINSTEIN and many more are as deep in the fat of TREASON as is KISSIN'JOE LIEBERMAN, GEORGE W. BUSH, DICK CHENEY, SCALIA, and the rest of the BELTWAY CABAL that is rapidly destroying what little is left of this once great nation. and it looks to me like they are going to keep going until we are ALL WEARING SLAVE CHAINS!
I heard Harry Reid saying the same on Lieberman. Kept calling Lieberman 'my friend'. What are they smoking?
I think Hoyer said what he could with respect to his party and his friendship with Joe Lieberman.
While I think Lieberman's actions are despicable, let's not forget *we* did our best to keep him from being re-elected by running a very strong opposing candidate. I think it only human nature that Lieberman should try to "repay" us for that.
I don't excuse it. I just understand it.
PLEASE HELP!! This is a very critical time for the Democrats...something has to be done and done NOW before it's too late! Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have got to go!!…
If Democrats continue with these two charlatans in Leadership Positions, the chances are increasing even more than what they already are that voters will view Democrats as weak leaders on just about anything and everything! And of course this translates into fewer pickups in both Houses - if not losses…
It’s past time to dump these two idiots NOW!!…Chris Dodd would be a GREAT leader in the Senate- he's already proven that!!…and Dennis Kucinich in the House - u talk about a fighter! - Republicans would have finally met their match!!
A Democrat leader who sells The Global War On Terror and all that it entails.
Holy Joe is less than a year away from becoming irrelevant. He is making the most of the time he has left.
Payback will be a bitch, I hope.
"our Democratic candidate is going to make sure that the American public knows that we are going to be committed to the safety of this country, to the safety of our people, and to the defeat of terrorists"
That's a bold stand.
What about at least questioningthe $4 billion a week we're dropping into Iraq and Afghanistan? Congressman Courageous.
Because Steny needs to go! That's why. If you can make sense of that first paragraph, well, you've got one over on me.
Hoyer: Let me say that I’m sorry that Joe felt called upon to do what he did, but our Democratic candidate, as we have done in the Congress — the first bill that we passed through this House of Representatives was the 9/11 Commission recommendation bill to keep our country safe.
WTF?? Democratically thinking people do not talk like this.
Joe L. is loyal to Israel first, so I don't think he has the best interest of the U.S.A. at heart. Iran and Iraq are Israel's arch enemies. So when John McCain wants to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.." He's got a friend in Joe.
duncanidho @ 9:
Wow!! Someone finally said it!! I wonder if he provided important information to the Bush Camp that allowed them to steal the 2000 election. Thanks duncanidho
Why all the hatred, he seems to stand up for what he believes? He doesn't believe what most people on the board does, but Joe Lieberman has always been a man of his word.
He seems to stand on pricipal, you can't hate a man for that even if you disagree with him.
I wish more people would stand up for what they believed in, even if I disagree with it. Better than changing with the latest poll.
As a Senator he is only responsible for the people in Connecticut. People are mad because he ran as an independant, but that is what a Democracy is.
I like Joe, even if I disagree with him on a lot of issues. It does nothing to hate someone just because they believe something different than what I believe
Hoyer, just say the words!
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Who the fuck is Steny Hoyer? I vaguely remember hearing his name when Nanna Nancy Pelosi was named Speaker of the House, but there hasn't been a word from him or about him since. Maybe he's the guy in the frilly apron serving Grampa Harry Reid's weak tea.
I truly believe that "data mining" has reaped its reward for Cheney and the boys! I think that they "got the goods" on all these demo's (tapes, transcripts, film?) and they are using evidence of wrongdoing to continue on the road to facist state.
O/T Great movie: http://www.zeitgeist.com/
hoyer... phhpt!!!
one more reason why i am a proud independent and not a registered democrat
With friends like these who needs an enema?
Samson- @ 32:
We have to register our party affiliations but not our guns?
Gawd I love this country!
Jo Lieberman was endorsed in '06 by Hillary Clinton -- Right?? He has made his last mistake!! If she is the leader she portends to be, she will jump on this and annihilate Jo (at least criticize him?)
Dave @ 28:
JOES JUST PICKING HIS COUNTRY OVER PARTY!HIS COUNTRYS ISRAEL!
With friends like Joe Lieberman, you already have a ready-made enemy. Why is everyone still sucking up to Droopy Dog?
I like Joe, even if I disagree with him on a lot of issues. It does nothing to hate someone just because they believe something different than what I believe
So you don't hate Bush?? That is wonderful. I am not that good.
Your wrong, Amato. Lieberman is no more a traitor to the democratic party than is Hoyer. Indeed, they epitomize it. And, yeah, I am aware that Lieberman is currently an independent.
I've mouthed off (to my congressional reps and online) that should the proposed TelCom immunity be made law, I'll be finished with that party forever (and I've voted democratic for decades). I mean it, too.
Be that as it may, I'm at the point where I believe it would be best if the democratic party- as currently constituted- splintered and renewed itself. It strikes me as funny that so many who would otherwise welcome a third party to the national mix nonetheless tremble at the thought of such an occurrence. Even those willing to acknowledge there exist a fatal schism within that organization that's rendered it impotent recoil.
The thought of the Hoyers' and Feinsteins' being forced to furl their false colors holds no terror for me. Let those who already belong to the GOP flock to that banner, or peddle their philosophies in a party of their own creation. Because they sure as hell do not represent the heart-and-soul of decent democrats.
Jeff, my boy, allow a Ct resident to make an attempt at educating you. The Dem Party of Ct. threw Lieberman OUT. Many Independents, myself included, switched parties (to Dem) in the primary in order to join in the effort to throw him OUT. Joe Lieberman was re-elected by a minority of non-progressive gray-haired Dems, most of whom (hopefully) now reside in HELL, and REPUGNICANS who turned their backs on their own candidate, who got 10% of the total vote. These same REPUGS recognized Lieberman as the Israeli Senator and war monger that he is. To them, as usual, sticking it to the Dems was far more important than supporting their own candidate and their country. It was all just a big joke for them. Got it?
The AIPAC Eleventh Commandment is to never speak ill of a fellow AIPAC tool.
I don't hate Bush, disagree with him on many issues, agree on some. I think for myself and thus don't toe any party line.
Unlike 99% of people on this board, I think Bush really believes he is doing right for the country. Most people think he is just trying to line his pockets, but I don't agree with that.
I think he really truly believes he is doing the best he can for the majority of Americans. He has been wrong more times that he has been right but I don't think he is an evil man. He his just a man who has made decisions that he thinks are right that I don't agree with.
Dave @ 42:
I don't either. He keeps his lines on his desk top near a rolled up dollar bill.
If you really want to stick it to Steny, you will make do as much for Wexler's petition as you did for Dodd‘s filibuster. Impeachment is the solution to both weak dems and strong (smelling) repubs. Readers, please sign the petition and bloggers, please ask your readers to sign. This is the one definitive act that can start us on the road to regaining a democracy. I can understand why the dem leadership fears it, but not why so-called lefty bloggers have decided to ignore it. If you are a regular reader of any political blog, ask that blogger to get with it.
here's Glenn Greenwald's article, telling how much a few bloggers can do:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/18/victory/index.html
and here is Wexler's petition
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http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/
"I think he really truly believes he is doing the best he can for the majority of Americans".
Dave: You will make your fortune if you pony up the dough to buy my bridge. It spans the Golden Gate, and is the only roadway that connects San Francisco (and its peninsula!) with Marin county (and points north).
Dave @ 42:
Okay, this makes me crazy. One doesn't "toe" party lines. They "tow" party lines. (or don't). This "toe" is a part of your foot.
Steny Hoyer, just say the words:
"I love you Holy Joe Lieberputz! Give me some bukake, Joe!"
Dave, I think for myself and the underhanded implication that I don't think for myself represents intellectual "hate" so don't tell me you don't hate!!
The decisions Bush made that you don't agree with in your very civil manner, led to the very uncivilized deaths of almost 4,000 military, 20,000 grievously injured military, 100,000 "dismembered until they are dead" Iraq Civilians (mostly women and children) and total demolition of the Iraq infrastructure. I think this deserves hate!!
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 46:
Actually, "toe the line" is correct. Dave is hopelessly misguided about everything else, but he got the cliche right.
Dave @ 42:
I guess we could argue all day about the inherent evilness of sociopaths.
Joementum @ 49:
Wow. Your feelings for Bush is, well - what can I say? "He is he is doing the best he can for the majority of Americans? Ok,,,, Joementum, you must be a very understanding person. I respect that.
I thought it was, "toe the line" as well. In other words, both feet lined up on the line with everyone else.
I never have a dictionary around when I need it. :)
Bush isn't doing what he thinks is right for the country. But he's not doing it to line his pockets either. He doesn't need money and I doubt he even thinks about money much.
He's been a failure all his life. He has disappointed his father at every turn. He decided he was going to show everyone and become one of the greatest presidents in history. And most of the greatest presidents in history presided over war and won.
So Bush decides to be a "war president." The problem is that it's his very nature to fail. He's never gotten anywhere on his own merits so he doesn't know what it's like to actually fight for something and win because he's never been allowed to lose on his own merits.
Now that he's the "most powerful" man in the country it's very hard for others to bail him out like they have in the past. They're keeping his head above water for now but like ALL GOP policy, it's short-sighted only to affect the now.
When it's all said and done Bush will be historically remembered as the most incompetent president in U.S. history. I don't think he'll personally be remembered as being corrupt but his administration will. That will fall on Cheney for the most part and the grand old part in general, particularly those in the congress and senate.
Who I really hate are W's parents who created him. They're the ones who kept moving this little loser up the chain and never letting him feel the consequences of his failures. They're fully to blame for what he is.
I'm not a fan of Jeb, but at least the man is competent. I have to wonder if one of them were raised by different parents.
[Quit spamming the threads with the same off topic message. Thank you-Sitemonitor]
Mr. Amato, I'm pretty sure the Democratic party and the netroots turned it's back on Lieberman first. As a matter of fact, I think you were one of the cheerleaders for defeating him.
I respect Lieberman because he honestly feels he's doing the right thing.
For a more complete understanding of these endorsements and please see the document below.
http://dearoldhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/laurel_hardy.jpg
By the way, if anyone was looking for a candidate, Cynthia McKinney is now running for the Green Party nomination.
Good luck with that, Cynthia.
"traitor"? hmmm, boy that sounds an awful lot like GW Bush talk. Is he unamerican too? Is he with us, or against us? Are you going to smoke him out?
I have always thought that Lieberman was a joke and I say good riddance. Want to look to why Gore lost? Look to Lieberman. Everyone who said that the Republicans and the Democrats were the same, were clearly right in Lieberman's case. But really, you taste a little blood and you morph into Karl Rove.
Phyllis Culbert @ 48:
Congress backed him up too. Its not all Bush's fault. And want infrastructure are you talking about in Iraq? You mean the one where you have no rights as a human?
GREG @ 51:
Thanks, Greg, but I think you're refering to Dave's comment.
Bobaloo @ 54:
What total crap! "Honest feel(ing)" you're doing the "right thing" means absolutely nothing...Unless it is.
Look. The entire Democratic leadership is a dismal failure and have not fulfilled their promises to the electorate. Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Harman, etc. need to go.
I don't respect him. Fuck him. He's a traitor to the American people. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing and he should be voted out at the next available opportunity.
Joementum @ 49:
Hmmmmm, I guess ignorance actually is bliss. Go figure.
comment by DIK: Congress backed him up too. Its not all Bush’s fault. And want infrastructure are you talking about in Iraq? You mean the one where you have no rights as a human?
No silly boy, infrastructure usually refers to things like electricity, streets, buildings, roof over your head -- the things needed to sustain life.
Every Dem I've heard confronted with the news about this asshole always has to say how Joe's a friend of his, how he admires Joe, but, but.....
What a bunch of clueless, souless cowards!
My other big pet peeve is when confronted with the Republican line about them being a "Do Nothing Congress" they always cringe and whine about how since they don't have the number in the Senate they can't do this or that instead of coming out strongly and just saying "IT'S THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE OBSTRUCTING THESE BILLS!!!"
When are the Dems going to grow a set of cajones? When it's too late to do anything about the destruction of this country and its decent into Facism?
"How can Hoyer respect a man that has turned his back on the party that nominated him as their Vice Presidential candidate in the 2000 election?"
Because Hoyer is cut from the same cloth as Lieberman? Because they're working for the same team (the Bush WH)?
Connecticut has been dead to me for quite awhile now.
Dave @ 28:
The hate, if that's what it is, isn't about what he believes, it's about what he does and is: a vain, duplicitous, two-faced, lying opportunist whose words never match his deeds, who has shown by his deeds that the only person he serves is himself. He is a man of zero integrity and trustworthiness.
WOW! I had to watch this one to believe it.
I have no problem with people being bi-sexual and all but damn... are all Neo-cons closet gays?!
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Steny and Pelosi have done nothing to get us out of IRAQ. They are weak, feeble and irrelevant. Pelosi appears on the tube in her botoxed face and to me, just for laughs while the military contractors in her district pull in billions. HER TENURE HAS BEEN OFFENSIVE since the Dems won in in 06. Steny is her puppet-no wonder she did not pick the other guy. You know who I
Dave troll @42, get a white cane with red tip...how blind can you be. Wishing is not REALITY.....the new repub. party is not like,and never will be like the 50's.
Hoyer and Lieberman are one of a kind.
The weekly "thou doth protest too much" post from C&L is by now wholly predictable. I thought you were going to say at the end that Hoyer had made an articulate, forceful, effective case that Lieberman was wrong to back a Republican for President. That was my reaction. The little phrase "I respect him" was a very small courtesy, practically a throwaway, and in fact is often used as a precursor for an attack. See how many times members of Congress refer even to members of the opposing party as "my friend" before attacking their views. Why do you harp on those three little words when everything else Hoyer said was critical of Lieberman's action? Did you really want Hoyer to personally insult Lieberman publicly to boot? If so, then surely you don't understand the way Congress works.
OK, you have been beating Joe Lieberman to death because you say he is a "traitor" to the Democratic Party-as if the Democratic Party is a nation all its own. Since Republicans and Democrats are both American, I find the use of the word "traitor" a little misleading.
I am a Democrat myself; and I have opposed this war from the get go. However, I am hopeful that the surge is working; because that will guarantee that the next President will bring the troops home. The extremist rhetoric that anyone who supports this war is a bad person, or can't be a Democrat, is garbage. People are different. I do not agree with the Democrats on every issue either. Does that make me a traitor, too?
Let Lieberman have his opinions. Under our current administration, it does not really matter what our opinions are at this point anyways. Congress is not doing anything about it.
Personally, I am tired of hearing all of the Lieberman-bashing. I could care less. He is an American, and he has the right to disagree with his political party on any issue at any time; just as I do.
Arch.
Dave @ 28:
A man of his word...hm...
"No one wants to end the war in Iraq more than I do"
"I want Democrats to be back in the majority in Washington and elect a Democratic president in 2008"
"I promise to investigate White House failures in the lead-up to Katrina"
"Ned Lamont hacked my website"
Can I just say how useless Lie-berman is?
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Wow! a lot of people from Conn. on his site. you fucked up, get over it!
scarlet p. @ 7:
As I have learned from [I think] the good people at Firedoglake, "God bless his soul" is Southern Belle speak for "[bleep] him". Hoyer's "I respect him..." should be given the same interpretation, which, BTW, should be given to any other statement by a politician. At best, it just fills the airtime, but really, it means something quite the opposite.
Hoyer, like Pelosi and Reid, is a Pussy! My cat has more spine.
I DON'T feel "betrayed" by Lieberman.
He was a pinhead in 2000 - and Gore's idiotic pandering choice of Lieberman for V.P.
probably cost him the election.
Next to bulldog Cheney, Lieberman came off as the groveling, sniveling slug that he is.
with friends like these.......who needs a colonoscopy....either way....you don'treally want one.
We (the good ones) can't do anything to offend Joe's tempermental sensibilities because of the way the senate stands now numerically. 51 (the good ones) to 49 (the bad ones). Ol Joe believe it or not can make this congress even Less effective (hard to believe) than it is now. In 08, when we (the good ones) have 60 votes on Our side, we can encourage ol joe to go with his heart and Join the Republicans (the bad ones). as he's leaving we (the good ones) can tell him... "Good riddence to bad rubbish"
I think Joe Lieberman is a traitor. I think he has always been a traitor. He might have even stabbed Al Gore in the back. He might have been feeding campaign secrets to the Republicans during the 2000 election that helped the Republicans beat the democrats. People like him you can't trust.
More proof of why Steny Hoyer needs to be replaced in his leadership role in the House
From this statement, I would say that Steney Hoyer is as much a fucking moron as my bro-in-law. I would also say that from this statement,unless I hear something to the contrary from Ms Nancy, Ms Nancy's confidence in him is based in total fantasy and is thusly moronic.
I do not live in either of their voting districts. I have heard that Cindy Sheehan is running against Nancy, and at this point I hope Cindy kicks her ass.
With friends like these, who needs____ (fill in the blank)
Rectal prolapse?
I live in CT and I have to put up with Lieberman as a Senator - I write him respectfully about different concerns - I don't like him and I don't respect him or his motives. Thank God he was never our Vice-President. I'm almost positive that his endorsement of McCain is because he has a foot in the door for being McCain's running mate if by some miracle McCain could get the GOP nomination. Reminds me of Aaron Burr who came close to being VP then became a traitor aiding the British. If Hoyer or Reid or Pelosi or any other Democratic leader values Lieberman's friendship more than their position as party leader maybe they should get out of the leadership position. I'm a little tired of the Democratic leadership fighting tough battles with one arm tied behind their backs.
Hoyer is never to be trusted, he and LIE-berman belong to the same party (REPUBLICAN). Hoyer would rather talk to a republican then a real democrat, I know I have saw this up-close and personal, he was invited to a DEMOCRAT picnic and who did he bring with HIM a REPUBLICAN, for I live in MARYLAND GARRETT county and was at the picnic. Garrett is so REPUBLICAN that you can never find more than a couple dozen DEMOCRATS here. Hoyer is second behind PELOSI and is in a leader ship position, it was a job that JACK MURTHA went after and was defeated by LIE-bermans help ond other SO-CALlED DEMOCRATS. So I say it is time to DUMP these REPUBLICANS that RUN AS DEMOCRATS.
86 eff'n dittoheads - would make Rush proud. Are there any adults in the house beside tistheseason and MediaConcepts?
IIRC, the Senate has a loooong tradition that stresses public politeness amongst its members. So everyone, even if they hate each other, are "good friends." The Junior Senator from Missouri isn't a crook and an imbecile, he is "misguided in his obviously altruistic intentions."
Hoyer isn't going to go plant a proverbial dagger in Lieberman's chest unless Joe has done something obviously criminal and is on his way out of the Senate.
Joe who??? If anyone thinks that this idiot's endorsement can help them win an election, they are just as stupid as he is. How many votes did traitor Joe bring in for Gore, who made the biggest mistake of his political life by picking that jackass as his running mate.
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