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The McLaughlin Group did the expected Year In Review episode. Panelists Pat Buchanan, Eleanor Clift, Monica Crowley and Clarence Page give their nominees for the Biggest Winner, Biggest Loser, Best Politician and Worst Politician. Question: who do you see as the biggest partisan political hack in the bunch?

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crazy guy's picture

ron paul

crazy guy's picture

is the craziest political guy in politics if there ever was one

L.A. Confidential's picture

Monica Crowley

StirFry's picture

Pat! THE YELLER!

canadian visitor's picture

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde??? She was something else!!! Besides seemingly stuck on her own importance, and her cutesy little sentence structures, she sounded brash, crass, and overbearing.

steambomb's picture

The blonde is on crack. Probably uncut crack.

Blue Buddha's picture

canadian visitor @ 5:

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde??? She was something else!!! Besides seemingly stuck on her own importance, and her cutesy little sentence structures, she sounded brash, crass, and overbearing.

That would be Monica Crowley. The older woman is Elanor Clift.

crazy guy's picture

canadian visitor @ 5:

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde??? She was something else!!! Besides seemingly stuck on her own importance, and her cutesy little sentence structures, she sounded brash, crass, and overbearing.

shes the newest model "newsmanoid 2008" communications unit neutron thinktank

their the latest fad in newsanchors

ww's picture

Monica, hands down

D to the Izzle's picture

I enjoyed that discussion actually. Monica would be a great sidekick for Stephen Colbert! She's very funny (she was kidding right??)

Blue Buddha's picture

crazy guy @ 8:

canadian visitor @ 5:

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde??? She was something else!!! Besides seemingly stuck on her own importance, and her cutesy little sentence structures, she sounded brash, crass, and overbearing.

shes the newest model "newsmanoid 2008" communications unit neutron thinktank

their the latest fad in newsanchors

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D0pubgjW3yw

Davey's picture

Eleanor Clift wins as both the biggest hack and the biggest hag in politics. You can see it in her face that what she's saying is bullshit, but...she's got a job to do.

underdog's picture

canadian visitor @ 5:

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde???blockquote>

I you were looking for the most obvious identifiable lable for her, rather than blonde, you should have said shameless republican tool. (or fool, works both ways)

A.Citizen's picture

What a collection of morans. Biggest loser of 2007?

That would be the corporatist media.

Stik a fork in 'em. They are dead meat.

And....

Murdoch owns a lot of that rotting flesh.

noonan's picture

Is this a rhetorical question? How can you watch that and not wonder what ward Monica escaped from?

sulphurdunn's picture

Monica Crowley for her reference to Hugo Chavez as a dictator who lost his own rigged election. Dictators don't loose elections.

FitterDon's picture

I enjoyed that discussion actually. Monica would be a great sidekick for Stephen Colbert! She's very funny (she was kidding right??

Unfortunately, she's not kidding. Kinda takes the humor right out of what she said. She seems to dislike any woman in the public eye. Her main function is to make Tony Blankly look reasonable when he comes back.

Mark's picture

They'll lose me if they keep Crowley on. She really cheapens the show (one that I TiVO every week).

Favorite moment? Eleanor's catty comment to her.

President PNACcio's picture

Monica Crowley, hands down.

grw's picture

Monica Crowley's sister is married to Colmes of hannity and colmes. huh?

theWalrus's picture

I never use this word, and I hesitate to use it, but Monica Crowley is a complete and total douchebag. Absolutely the worst! There just aren't enough negatives to describe her.

tdushane's picture

Much as I'd love to swear at her and use whatever invectives I can come up with, she is so bad that she's beyond that.

Here's the difference: Kate O'Beirne (spelling, sorry) is an actual editor of the National Review, a writer, a THINKER

Crowley is a low life TALK-SHOW-HOST. And that's why her simple minded "opinions" sound like whatever stuff from Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Palin, etc. give hardons to the idiots of the right.

This show has had major right wing journalists. This woman is a joke.

I wrote to the show and suggested, if they wish to continue to be popular, that she be replaced by a real conservative.

How about Tony Blankley or Kate O'Beirne?

TimeForNewLeadership's picture

Monica Crowley for predicting Iraq will be a feather in GW Bush's cap when its all done, in effect saying that we will forget about the 20,000 plus U.S. soldiers dead or severely wounded in Iraq, the 200,000 plus soldiers with PTSD, the Trillions of dollars spent, the loss of US prestige as a result of obliterating a nation for oil, the declining dollar due to a huge debt incurred fighting it, the incompetent way in which we went into it thinking it would be a cake walk, etc, etc. OMFG!!! How much more partisan can you get? And no terrorist attacks in 6 years? What planet is she on?

Captain Kangaroo's picture

That Monica person is a Michele Malkin wannabe.

tdushane's picture

Malkin is obviously a person with a very disturbed past. Who knows what horrible things were done to her - she acts as though she has been through a lot. Her ugly hatred of so many people, so much disdain for the poor - in fact, for anyone who hasn't been lucky enough to be born where she was.

Monica doesn't appear to be so personally damanged, but the opinions are more or less the same.

oscarfrye's picture

i'm done watching that show if MC contiues to be a panelist
what a hack

nibbler's picture

Who did Crowley blow to get that gig?

That aside, the most revealing moment of that episode happened when they all giggled, tittered and laughed at Lawrence O'Donnell's Mormon-blast one or two Fridays ago.

swarmofkillermonkeys's picture

I <3 that anry ol' McLaughlin! I hope he lives forever. BTW, truly AWESOME jacket. I want one!

Most Partisan? Lady in the red shirt, whoever that is. Crowley? Any relation to Aleister? Though I agree that her Hugo Chavez crack was pretty clever. She doesn't flow. Too much script, too little thinking. Though Pat and Elanore each had their moments (as always), Pat is so pissed off at his fellow conservatives he makes a lot of sense lately, and Elanore wasn't as condescending as usual.

But McLauglin, as always, is the best. He takes Pat's Putin/Russia as "biggest winner", Elanore's Fredo Gonzales as "biggest looser", yet blows off all the partisan replies to remind that King George II is in fact, still the WOST POLITICIAN of the year. Obama as "best politician" though? Hmm... hopefully not. I mean Obama no harm, but hopefully the progressives take the Dem party back, which would leave Obama stranded in the Hillary wing of the party.

It doesn't matter as Obama will be the next confirmed Supreme Court Justice if/when there is a Democratic president. Huh, so I guess John is right after all, that savvy old bird!

ms b's picture

they couldn't do better than this group. we don't care what they think. and why is pat buchanan on everything we did not elect him when he ran for president. so why would we care about his political opinions.

wrhale's picture

Monica Crowley.....jeez what a twit

Smartpatrol's picture

Attention Mr.McLaughlin: Don Cherry called. He wants his blazer back.

David Elliott's picture

People actually watch this choreographed shoutfest?

mudshark's picture

the blonde bimbo

do-si-do's picture

Ever pay good money at a nice restaurant only to be stuck with a McLaughlin yelling at the next table? It sucks.

Invasion14's picture

Monica "I'll say anything to get invited to the White House holiday party" Crowley

Invasion14's picture

Oh, did I here ask who is the biggest racist on the panel? Yeah that would be: Pat Buchanan

purvis ames's picture

Pat Buchanan is the obvious winner for announcing that George W. Bush has achieved "victory" in Iraq. What a turd.

swarmofkillermonkeys's picture

nibbler @ 25:

Who did Crowley blow to get that gig?

That aside, the most revealing moment of that episode happened when they all giggled, tittered and laughed at Lawrence O'Donnell's Mormon-blast one or two Fridays ago.

What that wasn't funny? The guy was throwing a temper tantrum on air! I sure giggled. It was a meltdown...

I sure wonder where all the normal Republican women are. Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, I suppose. There are all these insane, living dead types that I've seen so far (Goodling, coulter, the Canadian stalker). Surely there must be at least ONE reasonble one that could go on McLaughlin to round out the perspectives on the show? Judge Judy? Conny Rice's retirement plan? Anyone? Have they lobotomized all there women?

GF's picture

CROWLEY...makes Blankley sound rational...why doesn't she have her own show on FOX Noise Channel? She could be the "Fair" to O'Reilly's "Balanced"!

bob smith's picture

Crowley cites Spitzer as biggest loser for having a poll rating of 27% right after mentioning Bush as the biggest winner. Does she know Bush's poll rating? LOL.

Bryan's picture

This is Crowley at her neo-con, Ann Coulter wannabe, Orwellian best:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-MonicaC-Iran-Nukes.wmv

Mark's picture

I watch this show every week, as I said above. Pat Buchanan, to my chagrin, makes some sense sometimes. He cops to feeling disappointed in the Repubs and rightly/often calls the Dems out sometimes.

I never thought I'd miss Tony Blankely, but I do. Oh, and Clarence Page is an inconsistent jerk. Not a fan.

Eleanor, I love.

John's jacket is purposely noxious -- he wears it every year for this particular show.

But, again, they'll lose me for good if they have Crowley back.

Neil's picture

Who cares what comes out of her mouth..I'd do her..

jr's picture

how do people like Monica Crowley keep getting jobs in the media? the more wrong you are the more right you are to the beltway bumpkins

NovaNardis's picture

George Bush is the biggest winner? Bwahahahahaha!

do-si-do's picture

I forgot to answer the question.

Biggest hack? Monica "Teacher's Pet" Crowley. Too precious, really.

NovaNardis's picture

Hello. My name is Monica Crowley. I come pre-programmed with over 100 Republican Talking Points. Please buy Mc-Giuli-Romne-Bee expansion pack in Fall '08!

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jr @ 43:

how do people like Monica Crowley keep getting jobs in the media? the more wrong you are the more right you are to the beltway bumpkins

um, because the 'media' is owned by, GE, Westinghouse, and rupert murdoch.....

Anonymous Source's picture

Yeah when I saw this I definitely thought Monica Crowley was at least somewhat lit. She was an embarrassment and miraculously made me miss Tony Blankley. Though his views are atrocious, he's not constantly trying to yell out punchlines. I don't mind Pat on the show, Clarence is kinda dull, and Eleanor has the shrillest, most annoying voice in the world. John might be my favorite person on television.

David M. Quintana's picture

It's definitely got to be that hack. Monica Crowley...Lets remember that Monica worked for Trickie Dick Nixon as his 22 year old Foreign Policy Assistant, a post she held from 1990 until his death in 1994...She's had Republican talking points thrust into her mouth for years now...and she endlessly spits them out, expecting the viewers to swallow it all...

StirFry's picture

Never mind that empty headed Bushbot Crowley. Her statements are obviously ridiculous. But still, I'd impeach her bush as long as she keeps that yapper shut.

UnEasyOne's picture

FitterDon @ 17:

I enjoyed that discussion actually. Monica would be a great sidekick for Stephen Colbert! She's very funny (she was kidding right??

Unfortunately, she's not kidding. Kinda takes the humor right out of what she said. She seems to dislike any woman in the public eye. Her main function is to make Tony Blankly look reasonable when he comes back.

I have watched this program every week for years. Some of the stands JM is taking recently are surprising - to say the least. He was one of Nixon's staunchest supporters
to the very end - not surprising as he is a former Nixon speechwriter. Has always been pretty much to the right of Atilla the Hun (and the composition of his panel pretty much demonstrates that - MS "I'm not a liberal but I play one on TV" Clift is often outnumbered 4 to 1 on a panel where Buchanan often comes off as the liberal voice.

John Mclaughlin has obviously turned completely against this stupid war though and Bush
is the first Republican I can remember him not being completely gaga over.

At least Crowley didn't try to shout down Page (another "media liberal") and Clift every time they opened their mouths as Blankley does.

Why do I watch that stupid program? Hell, I'd be more comfortable trying to justify a huge porn collection.

Son-of-Bruce's picture

Where does Crowley get Martha Stewart for Biggest Comeback? She would not be too off base if this was 2005, or even 2006. But this is 2007.

Just being nitpicky.

John Palcewski's picture

There are probably some psychotherapists out there who could do a great piece on how that group resembles a family with some very serious issues. There's a very smart daddy figure who indulges with amusement his constantly fighting and shouting children, each one of them desperate to get his attention and approval. As for Monica, well, a couple of people here said they'd do her as long as she kept her mouth shut. But wait, guys. If she were to do that then forget the blow job.

budda's picture

First off it is so awesome to know other people watch this show. It is the only show I can't wait to see. McLaughlin's messing with Pat Buchanan is awesome, but Pat got him back a few weeks ago when McLaughlin asked him when the end of the world was and Pat said "John, for you ... soon." And Lawrence's meltdown was actually very truthful. The Mormon cult must be exposed for what it is.

I wouldn't mind spending a night with Monica Crowley, but she is terrible on this show. I agree if they keep her on much longer I won't be able to watch. She's always trying to be cute and funny when she just sucks. Really, did she give Pat and John head to sit there?

Eleanor can be annoying, but she just belongs there for some reason. I love when she makes some stupid comment and Pat just laughs.

The black guy doesn't add much and I wish he would go too in favor of a funnier liberal to back up Elenor's shrillness.

TC's picture

Bryan @ 40:

This is Crowley at her neo-con, Ann Coulter wannabe, Orwellian best:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-MonicaC-Iran-Nukes.wmv

THANK YOU!!! My buddy told me that the new CLOVERFIELD trailer was out, and let me tell you it looks AWESOME! This movie is goona' ROCK! I gotta' tell ya' though, from the first trailer I thought it would be about some giant monster attacking New York. I never guessed it was an Iranian attack. Still though...can't wait!

Le Kid's picture

What's pissing me off about that babe, Crowley. Nobody seems to want to question or argue about any of her fox news crap. What's with Eleanor? She should go after her like she takes on Tony. I'm thinking they might be friends or something.
It's actually the only show I record every week. It's great, but Crowley has to go. Please!!!!

do-si-do's picture

why does that coffeetable look like the head of a screw?

johnny canuck's picture

do-si-do @ 58:

why does that coffeetable look like the head of a screw?

because the giant nail they used to use kept wiggling around.

facta non verba's picture

Well the answer to your question is Monica Crowley. Honestly, what planet is she living on to say Bush will see redemption in 2008?

I must say I was surprised to see myself in concurrence with John McLaughlin so often. If he is calling the Republicans "wingnuts" well then I am speechless.

DennisQ's picture

The reason these established pundits don't take Crowley on is that they can see she doesn't have a lot of talent. She's pretty and she has a Ph.D. from Columbia, but she lacks personal appeal. She's not going anywhere, even with the pandering to the far right.

Crowley should stop listening to her sister (the one married to Colmes) who is telling her she can succeed in show biz. It's a little sad to watch her career train-wreck in slow motion. By the way, her statement that Bush is a big winner because he's turning the war around is an act of desperation. Nobody believes it, and if Crowley sincerely thinks it's true, she has a political tin ear. I don't think there are many openings for tin-eared pundits any more. Krauthammer and Kristol spoiled it for a new generation.

Honuman32's picture

Monica Crowley....she's like Ann Coulter's slightly nicer younger sister who's knee jerk republican talking points mouth piece is ripe for a donkey punch. Why do people like her deserve air time?

MM's picture

That blonde Crowley was the absolute worst. Usually staunch Republican women like her are into deviant sex.

Edwin's picture

When that blonde chick came on I was thrown aback. She looks like she just got up from (naughty) sex, and hasn't had time to throw on anything but a silky robe. Her hair is still tossed from whatever it was she was doing down there. It looks like she's wondering when she can rinse her mouth out and have a cigarette.

Edwin's picture

canadian visitor @ 5:

I watched that this morning and who is that blonde??? She was something else!!! Besides seemingly stuck on her own importance, and her cutesy little sentence structures, she sounded brash, crass, and overbearing.

Total slut too.

Edwin's picture

Invasion14 @ 33:

Monica "I'll say anything to get invited to the White House holiday party" Crowley

There's the ticket. Right on!!

Gene D. Zizis's picture

In response to your question concerning the McLaughlin Group: Who's the biggest partisan political hack in the bunch? That award has to go to Monica Crowley. When Don Henley sang, "Bubble headed, bleach blonde on the daily news, just give me something, something to use." Surely, he had her in mind.

On her radio show, where she is unable to rely on her pleasing facade, her Lilliputian intellect cascades forth, usually in the form of some sort of Clintonian critique. She beats dead horses, swallows camels and squints at George W. Bush's and Ronald Reagan's gnats.

She claims to deliver a fresh perspective, or some such nonsense, when in reality she fills the air waves with the same verbal vomit as her contemporaries, when she says, "You heard it her first," I want to vomit.

The woman is without substance and conscience but unfortunately not without listeners. Mark her in the skin crawling category. Gene

whizkid's picture

Crowley reminds one of Mona Charen, who once ejoyed a wide audience till even the Right found her repulsive.

DuepefromPrague's picture

Question: who do you see as the biggest partisan political hack in the bunch?

my answer: that Monica character without doubt. I saw this on tv like two days ago, and I really wanted to throw something really destructive on my screen whenever that horrible woman opened her mouth!
PS: she has the most annoying laugh I have ever heared.

negoldie's picture

In the clip with Scarborough (sp) she says that Iran backs Al-quida (sp). For her info Iran is Shia......Bin laden and his thugs are sunni. dumb bit....

klyde's picture

Tough choice but I have to go with Crowley.

Jack Leary's picture

i cant believe this is real

Koshchei's picture

How did Monica Crowley crawl onto that show? Tony "No Neck" Blankley was bad enough. I guess he is off recovering from plastic surgery. Does Monica have a wide stance?

moondancer's picture

I thought uber-conservative McLaughlin bordered on moderation.

marc's picture

Will someone please order Monica Crowley a year's supply of Kool-Aid.
She's drinking it faster than it can be delivered! Only a die-hard neocon flak would pull out Elliot Spitzer's name for worst politician. 90% of the country doesn't even know who he is. But, Monica will walk a mile to find some Democrat who may or may not have caused a gaffe. George W. Bush will be vindicated? By whom, Monica? Barbara Bush? A mind is a terrible thing to waste isn't it, Monica?

Texas Vet's picture

Monica's comments are undiluted hackery, the rest are as fun to watch as they usually are.
While McLaughlin's group seems permanently biased towards conservatives, it's always nice to see them put on their thinking caps- except for the Tancredo comment - gimme a break.

Enjoyable segment.

William &quot;the bloody&quot; Kristol's picture

The losers of '07 are the America people (and the people of the world really) because we have had to put up with 6 years of this nonsense that Dubya is going to have a favorable view in history. I saw in CNN yesterday it said Dubya's legacy is a mixed back...Mixed? Mixed with what Failures and Catastrophes?

Texas Vet's picture

TC @ 56:

Bryan @ 40:

This is Crowley at her neo-con, Ann Coulter wannabe, Orwellian best:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-MonicaC-Iran-Nukes.wmv

THANK YOU!!! My buddy told me that the new CLOVERFIELD trailer was out, and let me tell you it looks AWESOME! This movie is goona' ROCK! I gotta' tell ya' though, from the first trailer I thought it would be about some giant monster attacking New York. I never guessed it was an Iranian attack. Still though...can't wait!

Unbelievable fearmongering. I can hardly believe that this is a national news program, and not some total hack site. I could not finish even this brief clip - it is so over the top. How can they say things like this and keep their jobs? It's not news, but pure fearmongering propaganda. Sociopaths in action.

swarmofkillermonkeys's picture

Whatever else McLaughlin is... he's pretty damn sharp.

If the Republicans had brains, they'd quickly get people like McLaughlin, Ron Paul, and Buchanan (who used to be the radical right, before the whole party even passed him into crazy land) to put the party of "conservatives" back on track! No more giant bloated ineffective government as the current Republican senate (and Bush) are making happen. Maybe even considering state's and individual rights over a fascist federal behemoth... now wouldn't that be refreshing for a Republican?

Preacher Boob's picture

That blond hag Crowley wouldn't be so bad if they turned her chair around, so she faced the other way, put a bag over her head, and a muzzle on her mouth.

That would give the others the opportunity to have a relevant, humorous, biased conversation with no rude interruptions.

Incidentally, wouldn't his election campaign be more fun if Pat Buchanan and Al Sharpton were in it?

scootmandubious's picture

I used to watch the McLaughlin report regularly, but stopped when I realized that shouting soundbytes over each other became the standard for political discourse in television news. It is NEVER substantive.

Having said that, I was actually relieved when Bush finally got his comeuppance from John at the end of the show.

Some sanity after all.

As for Monica Crowley...how low can the standards get when she is a respected panelist?

And....as far as left-wing blowhards (though a progressive, I am equal opportunity)....I was glad to see Mr. O'Donnell absent. He is way too much of a bully for my taste.

Daryl's picture

That jacket was crazy and where can I get one?

Dr. Richard Blackmoor's picture

Monica Crowley.

Charles's picture

TimeForNewLeadership @ 22:

Monica Crowley for predicting Iraq will be a feather in GW Bush's cap when its all done, in effect saying that we will forget about the 20,000 plus U.S. soldiers dead or severely wounded in Iraq, the 200,000 plus soldiers with PTSD, the Trillions of dollars spent, the loss of US prestige as a result of obliterating a nation for oil, the declining dollar due to a huge debt incurred fighting it, the incompetent way in which we went into it thinking it would be a cake walk, etc, etc. OMFG!!! How much more partisan can you get? And no terrorist attacks in 6 years? What planet is she on?

Don't forget: Bush has resolve.

Charles's picture

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 79:

Whatever else McLaughlin is... he's pretty damn sharp.

If the Republicans had brains, they'd quickly get people like McLaughlin, Ron Paul, and Buchanan (who used to be the radical right, before the whole party even passed him into crazy land) to put the party of "conservatives" back on track!/blockquote>

When Pat Buchanan become the voice of reason, you know we're all in deep shit.

Toby's picture

Monica actually makes Tony Blankley sounds nonpartisan.

YellowSnow's picture

Daryl @ 82:

That jacket was crazy and where can I get one?

Try Pimlico, late at night. That's where McLaughlin got his.

Ali's picture

People watch this shit? I'm sorry I did.

Neil's picture

FitterDon @ 17:

I enjoyed that discussion actually. Monica would be a great sidekick for Stephen Colbert! She's very funny (she was kidding right??

Unfortunately, she's not kidding. Kinda takes the humor right out of what she said. She seems to dislike any woman in the public eye. Her main function is to make Tony Blankly look reasonable when he comes back.

Tony Blankly's job is to inhale Monica Crowley when he returns, sit on the right wing chair like Jabba The Hut, and sputter apoplectically when anyone states an opinion that he finds critical of the clusterf*ck in the Republican governemnt.

Flat Earth Friedman's picture

that dirty little whore named monica

Mr. XXXX's picture

The McLaughlin Group has a very pathetic loser host running the show and his name---John McLaughlin!!!!

Dr. Bombay's picture

Funny, but not one of these comments mentioned that John McLaughlin named Ron Paul
his "Person of the Year". That jacket? McLaughlin must have stolen it from a D.C. pimp!

Abigail Francis's picture

International Herald Tribune

Hillary Clinton puts her experience first
By Patrick Healy The New York Times
Tuesday, December 25, 2007

As first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton jawboned the president of Uzbekistan to
leave his car and shake hands with people. She argued with the Czech prime
minister about democracy. She cajoled Catholic and Protestant women to talk to
one another in Northern Ireland. She traveled to 79 countries in total, little
of it leisure; one meeting with mutilated Rwandan refugees so unsettled her that
she threw up afterward.

But during those two terms in the White House, Clinton did not hold a security
clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not
given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert
herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti or Rwanda. And during one of President
Bill Clinton's major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan
in 1998, Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as
the Lewinsky scandal dragged on.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton lays claim to two
traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from
New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She
has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her
husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more
experienced for her "eight years with a front-row seat on history."

Her rivals scoff at the idea that her background gives her any special
qualifications for the presidency, and on the campaign trail have increasingly
been challenging her assertions of unique experience. Senator Barack Obama has
especially questioned "what experiences she's claiming" as first lady, noting
that the job is not the same as being a cabinet member, much less president. And
last Friday, he suggested that more foreign policy experts from the Clinton
administration were supporting his candidacy than hers. (Hillary Clinton quickly
released a list of 80 who were supporting her.)

Clinton's role in her most high-profile assignment as first lady, the failed
health care initiative of the early 1990s, has been well documented. Yet little
has been made public about her involvement in foreign policy and national
security as first lady. Documents about her work remain classified at the
National Archives. Clinton has declined to divulge the private advice she gave
her husband.

An interview with Hillary Clinton, conversations with 35 Clinton administration
officials and a review of books about her White House years suggest that she was
more of a sounding board than a policy maker, who learned through osmosis rather
than decision-making, and who grew gradually more comfortable with the use of
military power.

Her time in the White House was a period of transition in foreign policy and
national security, with the Cold War over and the threat of Islamic terrorism
still emerging. As a result, while in the White House she was never fully a part
of either the old school that had been focused on the Soviet Union and the
possibility of nuclear war nor part of the more recent strain of national
security thinking defined by issues like nonstate threats and the proliferation
of nuclear technology.

Associates from that time said that she was aware of Al Qaeda and Osama bin
Laden and what her husband has in recent years characterized as his intense
focus on them, but that she made no aggressive independent effort to shape
policy or gather information about the threat of terrorism.

She did not wrestle directly with many of the other challenges the next
president will face, including managing a large-scale deployment - or
withdrawal - of troops abroad, an overhaul of the intelligence agencies or the
effort to halt the spread of nuclear weapons technology. Most of her exposure to
the military has come since she left the White House, through her seat on the
Senate Armed Services Committee.

When it came to the regional conflicts in the Balkans, she, along with many
officials, was cautious at first about supporting U.S. military intervention,
though she later backed airstrikes against the Serbs and the NATO-led
peacekeeping mission in Kosovo.

Her role mostly involved what diplomats call "soft power" - converting Cold
War foes into friends, supporting nonprofit work and good-will endeavors, and
pressing her agenda on women's rights, human trafficking, and the expanded use
of microcredit, tiny loans to help individuals in poor countries start small
businesses.

Asked to name three major foreign policy decisions where she played a decisive
role as first lady, Clinton responded in generalities more than specifics,
describing her strategic roles on trips to Bosnia, Kosovo, Northern Ireland,
India, Africa, and Latin America.

Asked to cite a significant foreign policy object lesson during the 1990s,
Clinton also replied with broad observations.

"There are a lot of them," she said. "The whole unfortunate experience we've had
with the Bush administration, where they haven't done what we've needed to do to
reach out to the rest of the world, reinforces my experience in the 1990s that
public diplomacy, showing respect and understanding of people's different
perspectives - it's more likely to at least create the conditions where we can
exercise our values and pursue our interests."

There were times, though, when Hillary Clinton did not appear deeply involved in
some of her husband's hardest moments on national security. He faced a major one
in 1998 - the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and
subsequently whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan. Just days after he
acknowledged to his wife, the public and a grand jury that he had had a
relationship with Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton ordered cruise missile strikes
on a suspected terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical
weapons factory in Sudan.

"It was the height of Monica, and they were barely talking to each other, if at
all," said one senior national security official who spoke with both Clintons
during that time.

Asked whether she talked to the president about the military choices or advised
him, regardless of their personal problems, Hillary Clinton was elliptical.

"I was very proud of him," she said "He did what he thought he was he supposed
to do as president based on the best intelligence he had. And he was well aware
that there would be those that would certainly criticize him for it."

Friends of Hillary Clinton say that she acted as adviser, analyst, devil's
advocate, problem-solver and gut check for her husband, and that she has an
intuitive sense of how brutal the job can be. What is clear, she and others say,
is that Bill Clinton often consulted her, and that Hillary Clinton gained
experience that Obama, John Edwards and every other candidate lack - indeed,
that most incoming presidents did not have.

"In the end, she was the last court of appeal for him when he was making a
decision," said Mickey Kantor, a close Clinton friend who served as trade
representative and commerce secretary. "I would be surprised if there was any
major decision he made that she didn't weigh in on." (Bill Clinton declined an
interview request.)

But other administration officials, as well as opponents of Clinton, are
skeptical that the couple's conversations and her 79 trips add up to unique
experience that voters should reward. She was not independently judging
intelligence, for the most part, or mediating the data, egos and agendas of a
national security team. And, in the end, she did not feel or process the weight
of responsibility.

Susan Rice, a National Security Council aide and State Department official under
Bill Clinton who now advises Obama, said that Hillary Clinton was not involved
in "the heavy lifting of foreign policy." She also took issue with a recent
comment, by a Clinton campaign official, that Hillary Clinton was "the face of
the administration in foreign affairs."

"Making tough decisions, responding to crises, making the bureaucracy implement
decisions that they may not want to implement - that's the hard part of foreign
policy," Rice said. "That's not what Mrs. Clinton was asked or expected to do as
first lady."

Hillary Clinton said in the interview that she was careful not to overstep her
bounds on national security, relying instead on informal access.

During the pre-inaugural transition, for instance, she sat in on some meetings
about presidential appointments at the invitation of Warren Christopher, who
directed the transition and became secretary of state during the first Clinton
term. Participants recalled that she would mostly speak when Christopher called
on her, and tended to make points about placing more women, minorities, and
allies in key jobs.

She said she did not attend National Security Council meetings, nor did she have
a security clearance - though she was briefed on classified intelligence before
going on some sensitive diplomatic trips.

"I don't recall attending anything formal like the National Security Council,"
she said, "because I had direct access to all of the principals. I spent a lot
of time with the national security adviser, the secretary of state, other
officials on the security team for the president. I thought that was both more
appropriate, but also more efficient."

She declined to say whether she ever read the President's Daily Brief, a rundown
of the latest intelligence and threats to national security provided to the
president each day.

"I would put that in the category of I-never-talk-about-what-I-talk-to-my-husband-about,"
she said. But she indicated, and other administration officials confirmed, that
Bill Clinton would sometimes talk to her about the contents of the briefing.

"Let me say generally, I'm very aware of and familiar with what the PDBs
actually are, how they work, what they include," she said.

"And it wasn't always through the Clinton administration - when I went to
Bosnia, for example, I had a full briefing from the military commanders there
about what the situation was like."

Hillary Clinton said she was "only tangentially involved" in Bill Clinton's
first major overseas test, whether to send U.S. soldiers after Somali warlord
Mohammed Farah Aidid and his forces - a raid that ended in 18 American deaths.
Asked whether she pressed for invasion, she said she acted "more as a sounding
board" for Bill Clinton.

The same was true during the military confrontation in Haiti in 1994, over
restoring the exiled president Jean-Bertand Aristide, which she favored and drew
lessons from about joint command of American armed forces.

Asked about her role in Somalia and Haiti, Christopher said in an interview,
"She wasn't at any of the meetings in the Oval Office or cabinet room, and
didn't take any formal role that I saw." Christopher is supporting Clinton for
president.

Nor was Clinton a memorable player on Rwanda. Former White House officials say
that no one - not the national security team, not the president, not the first
lady - was seriously pushing for American military intervention to stop or slow
the unfolding genocide there; the administration's focus was on confronting the
ethnic bloodshed in the Balkans. Mrs. Clinton declined to comment on Rwanda.

The foreign policy achievement most often credited to Mrs. Clinton came in 1995,
with her speech to the United Nations conference on women in Beijing, where she
declared that "human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human
rights." She also tangled with Chinese officials, she said, and refused to bow
to pressure to soften her remarks.

"She had a good balance of being firm on these issues, even if they clearly
covered Chinese sins, but also understanding the need for good relations with
China," said Winston Lord, then the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian
and Pacific Affairs, who briefed and accompanied her on the trip.

In visits to Bosnia and Kosovo after the American-led bombing of Serbia, she
entered war zones before officials believed it was safe for her husband to go
and acted as a spokesperson for American interests rather than as a negotiator.
Mrs. Clinton had become a champion of the bombing campaign, and many officials -
from Madeleine Albright and Richard Holbrooke in the administration, to
then-Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain - turned to her at times to stiffen
Mr. Clinton's resolve to take on Serbia.

"Bill, you're the president," was a refrain that several administration
officials said she used when Mr. Clinton was torn between his advisers.

Mrs. Clinton has disagreed with Obama's support for presidential-level talks
with leaders of nations such as Iran and North Korea, but she said that the
Balkans taught her another lesson: Know your enemy. She praised General Wesley
Clark, the NATO commander, and Holbrooke, the administration's envoy on the
Balkans, for socializing and drinking with the leader of Serbia, Slobodan
Milosevic, as a means of gauging his strengths.

"He's there - you don't learn something about him by pointing at him across the
ocean," she said. "If you do have to engage in a bombing campaign, you're going
to have a much better idea of how much pressure it's going to take to finally
break him."

Her personal interests also drew her to Northern Ireland, where she believed she
could help foster peace as a female leader bringing together women split by the
sectarian divide. She hosted a memorable meeting, one of the first of its kind,
of Catholic and Protestant women in Belfast.

"It gave everybody a safe place to come together and start talking about what
they had in common," Mrs. Clinton said.

As she prepared to run for the Senate, Clinton took increasing interest in
Israel and Middle East peace, touchstones for Jewish voters, among others, in
New York. She was not at the Camp David talks in the summer of 2000, but she did
pepper the Middle East peace envoy, Dennis Ross, with questions, like whether
the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was too much the revolutionary to ever make
peace, Ross recalled.

The Middle East situation led to Mrs. Clinton's first big foreign policy-related
problem as a political candidate. In 1999, she sat silently, but with apparent
discomfort, through an event on the West Bank as Suha Arafat, the wife of
Arafat, accused Israel of poisoning Palestinian women and children with toxic
gases.

Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York, who at that point seemed likely to be her
Republican opponent in the 2000 Senate race, assailed Clinton for failing to
confront Mrs. Arafat over her remarks and for kissing her goodbye afterward; the
incident also led some Jewish groups to be critical of Mrs. Clinton.The New York
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Dr. Bombay's picture

Abigail Francis: Do you have an opinion of your own or are you just going to spout
whatever some columnist tells you to think about Hillary? Hillary will sell her ass to
whomever she thinks will get her elected. Period. She has ZERO integrity and is quickly
becoming a has-been in Democratic circles. Obama is more electable than Hillary right now.

Smarmy's picture

Monica Crowley - biggest loser.

Tom's picture

MC hands down. Any relation to the infamous AC?

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