Tweety's analysis is a sight to behold: If Edwards wins he loses. Obama!
This is from The Scar's show yesterday. I haven't seen CM's response to Bhutto's assassination yet, but Morning Joe thinks it helps Rudy and Hillary for some weird reasons.
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Matthews: The biggest American political story of modern times if Obama wins the Iowa caucus. It'll be all over the world. It will be the third world story of the century, of the last century...the biggest story of modern world history if Obama wins the American presidential caucuses in Iowa..
Yea, I think it's a possibility, a 50-50 shot. If however Edwards wins it, the headline is Hillary Clinton loses.
I think there are a few stories that the "third world" might believe are a little more important to them then an American presidential primary. It will be a huge story if he wins Iowa though.
In Tweety's mind---if Obama wins in Iowa, he's the Democratic nominee for president. If Edwards wins, it's all Hillary and he's still a loser. But what happens if Edwards wins Iowa and that propels him to take NH?....Is your head spinning too?
Tweety is just worried about Edwards being on time. he can only focus on one thing. Minutiae for minibrains. If Edwards wins Iowa, the country might have a fighting chance of winning after being a big loser for the last seven sad years.
for what its worth, I think 3rd world people pay very very close attention to us. an Ethiopian immigrant next door to me was breaking it down. you go to sell grain for dollars, then swap those dollars out for local currency. one day out of the blue, you get less money for the same amount of grain. why? the dollar dropped against local currency. why? because Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern.
wow, do I have firsties?
Who cares what this moron thinks?
every time I see Matthews I think of the Simpsons episode when Martin Prince had the Wang Computers t shirt on
He is passing on what is fed to him.
Great media strategy to diminish an Edwards win in Iowa....
burnt---great analogy----we're (US) like the elephant in the room, hard not to notice----
What a freaking tool. Tweety only has eyes for manly men like W and Rudolf.
It's not just Tweety who's confused. The RNC isn't sure who to slime right now. One second it's the twp year old e-mail chain letter accusing Barack Hussein Obama of being an Islamist Manchurian candidate, the next minute it's the tort weasel with $400 haircuts, and then suddenly it's the shrill crone who will age before our very eyes.
If Edwards wins Iowa and NH, I think Matthews's head will explode.
Mission Accomplished
Many, still have mixed notions that, how possibly could our Commander and Chief be complicit with the Bin Laden family which is directly connected to Al Qaeda. Looking at the current situation, again it begs the question is Bush sharing strategic policies and military operations in the Middle East with their close friends and business partners, the Bin Laden family who is Al Qaeda.
Out of all the advice and Intelligence, Bush and Company create a Media circus surge of troops into Iraq. Weeks, months, day after day, debate as is it right , is this the best thing to ? Where is the risk, the most risk ? Send thirty to forty more thousand troops into Baghdad. Killing goes down, hey it is working, and the surge is working. American troops are hero’s they killed the last throws of the enemy. Al Qaeda is defeated. Troops are coming home, we won the war Republican’s are the best.
Oops, Bhutto gets whacked in a risky environment. Now we are sure Al Qaeda is not in Baghdad, no wonder the surge is working Al Qaeda is in Pakistan gaining control of power and likely in control of our gifts of nuclear weapons. No one, no one, in the Bush and Company Media is going to even analyze the political news with that Bush - Bin Laden connection.
Hey, here we are American troops layed back, Baghdad is secure now, having a smoke, thinkin about goin home. Now, likely Al Qaeda is studying our military nuclear manuals to operate the toys got now. Sheezam, sargent you really think so ? Shut up Pile, and don’t forget to pack all the rounds you can this is the second most populated Muslim country in the Middle East, we got orders to spread freedom to Islamabad. Get crackin trooper, yes sargent!
The Third World does pay attention--Obama gets major press and media exposure--his victory in Iowa will be huge for the Third World Street. It'll be seen as a significant blow against Imperialism, etc., and please understand that perception is the reality.
C&L sure loves to rip Chris Matthews don't you?
Can someone tell me 1 single thing that is not correct about what he said??
"If Obama wins it is going to be a huge story"
Yep
"Obama has about a 50-50 chance of winning"
Yep
"If Edwards wins, the story will be that Clinton lost in Iowa"
Agreed
So now, what are you all complaining about?
Mike S @ 9:
Don't tease. Oh now that would be great TV...it would be on his show right?
Who would actually buy, let alone read, Tweety's book?
This is the media's latest TRICK to try and smear Edwards.
"A vote for him is a vote for Hillary." They are repeating the Obama campaign's talking points.
[sarcasm] Gee, the Obama campaign wants you to believe that voting for Edwards instead of him helps Clinton? Who would have ever thought they would want you to feel that way...NOT. [/sarcasm]
Chris May @ 12:
The problem is that he's correct because the MSM (which he represents) are complicit, corporate, fascist a-holes who want nothing more than to keep people out who are talking the talk (and probably meaning it) about shaking up the system.
"The Scar" is right on the money.Like it or not,the American people will run for shelter to a neo-con if a percieved notion of increased terrorism exists,that's why people like Hillary ride the fence
I think Chris makes a good point concerning the headlines.
as much as i dislike matthews, he's right on this one..
edwards is another good ol' boy in the millionaires club....he had time in DC, and affected no real change, provided no true leadership...
Bush was the last guy in the good ol boys club to buy his way into the whitehouse, and an Obama victory would be a huge story, as it would confirm that Bush's administration will indeed mark the end of that era in american politics, as most people feel it should
Chris May @ 12:
How about if Edwards wins and the story reads: "Edwards scores Huge Upset win in Iowa!"
Isn't that a possibility? Do you think that might give his campaign a huge lift?
Chris Matthews is the poster boy for the political elite stuck in a bubble with his head up his ass.
I wish he'd just say what he means. "If this uppity negro wins, the 3rd world Muslims will follow us home."
Chris May @ 12:
Your soprano pitch level, Chrissy.
Tweety is right. Kerry had nothing in numbers until the media blitz he received from the Iowa win. The media gave the nomination to him. Clark was ahead in NH.....until the media blitz from Iowa. Kerry was the most unremarkable candidate from day one, by that I mean he was completely unremarkable, nothing good nothing bad, he was so very forgettable. But that win and the media coverage it received ( because he was so unremarkable to that point- America loves an underdog story ). Pay attention to your history folks.......
Chris Matthews is saying this because he lived in a third world country in Africa as a Peace Corps Volunteer. Will Africans notice a black American winning over Hillary Clinton in Iowa? You bet. Also, if John Edwards wins, the big story will be that he beat Hillary. Matthews is right on both counts.
If Matthews wasn't an indoctrinated tool, he be reporting that Hillary is really a Republican. Kucinich '08.
ShouldBeWorking @ 16:
You're absolutely right. Tweety is nothing more than an asshat- corporate -fascist shill.
John Amato @ 20:
Yes John you are ight, this could happen, but not nearly as likely. Edwards has lost this part of the race before, he isn't as big a story as Obama Wins Iowa- First African American President? I don't know who I'm for here, but Obama is the bigger story hands downn....
Tweety proves that without question this country admires and rewards rank stupidity.
David Ehrenstein @ 28:
He pales in comparison to Busholini.
No W Now @ 27:
Not as big a story as "McCain Crushes Obama...Four More Years of Republican Rule.". Now that's big.
Mike S @ 9:
If I weren't already an Edwards supporter, I'd become one - just to see the explosion.
Tweety is for any candidate that will make him look smart - and that ain't Hillary or Edwards. He is the one of the most one-dimensional, shrill people I have ever seen.
(And honestly, if I weren't supporting Edwards, I'd support Hillary just to piss off Tweety. 'cause his anti-Hillary stance is so annoying.)
Tweety was just on the Boob Tube saying that the Bhutto Assassination by the "Terrorists" is great for Rudolph and the GOP because it reminds Americans of "The War on Terror"??? It has been 2,292 days since WMD said he'd catch UBL? There is something terribly wrong with this country isn't there. The dark cloud of cognitive dissonance hangs heavy over the U.S. Homeland! Chris Matthews is disgusting. This is so inspiring!
Rudolph Reacts Quickly to Bhutto's Assassination
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/12/does_bhuttos_death_give_ru...
"We must redouble our efforts to win the Terrorists' War on Us." WTF????
And just as unlikely.
Tweety is for any candidate he can make money off of by turning them into entertainment. It's why his commentary is fairly pointless. He's the Perez Hilton of politics.
Edwards/Obama in '08!
come on, people!!!
This goof Matthews reminds me of that ESPN football commentator Chris Berman. Berman prognosticates who will win the games each week but yet his record is like 76 wins and 121 losses. Tweety is wrong most of the time so who gives a shit what he thinks?
Sounds like Chris has been into the brown acid again.
Matthews may smile real pretty but I don't trust him.
Mike S @ 9:
Finger-crossed....
hoping, hoping, hoping....
(That would be great)....
I can't bear this phony baloney media jive.
That things will only get worse seems unthinkable,yet thanks to a completely neutered FCC, an out of control president and an insatiably power hungry corporate cartel,they probably will.
I watched this and what floored me was how Tweety couldn't let anyone (especially, 'the girl') finish a sentance! Even if it was a question, he continued to prattle on! David Schuster gave up and sat back in his chair. Mika Brzezinski couldn't get a word in edgewise. He only acknowedged her to essentially leer at her.
Although I found his thought midely interesting, his performance on Morning Joe was rotten.
I think Tweety's mom forgot to lock the liquor cabinet again...
As much as I hate to agree with Tweety, from personal experience, I have to say he's right on one thing. People in the 3rd world ARE watching this race closely. I'm living down here in Costa Rica where GWB forced the CAFTA treaty on this NEUTRAL country. He threatened the economic sovereignty of this country by saying that if Costa Rica didn't sign on to the treaty than neither could neighboring Nicaragua or El Salvador. Basically isolating the whole region economically. If you have ever been to this part of the world, you'd know that's the LAST thing these folks need. So essentially it was like holding a gun to your neighbor's head to get you to comply with something.
I watched our flag burned in the streets and as much as I liked the burning GWB pictures too, I felt so ashamed. It got very little press, but I watched the fires burn and heard the curses aimed at our country.
http://nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/imf/america/txt/2007/1006no_to...
http://nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/imf/america/txt/2007/0307why_w...
Both Obama and Edwards have both said they will make special concessions for CR in regards to it's neutrality policy. It's the same reason the Swiss won't join the EU, but no one is forcing them. Hillary Clinton has not commented on what she would do, but from what I heard, the GOP is pretty much "go pound sand" on this issue.
Believe me the 3rd world is watching, but I doubt Tweety put in the research to back up what he said. Much like chicken fingers, stuff just flies out of his mouth...
Chris May @ 12
How can Obama have a 50-50 chance of winning when there are more than 2 people in the race?
16. Chris Matthews
Charges: Calling his show "Hardball" is like rechristening ping-pong "Thermonuclear Warfare." Displays the slurred, unmodulated speech and unfocused antagonism of an aggrieved middle-management drunk. Can read a scurrilous political attack into any paragraph at twenty paces. Continues honing his pointless questions as his guests attempt to answer, cutting them off with an affected imperial weariness when their responses are insufficiently inane. Apparently ignorant of the implications of satellite technology, Matthews shouts louder at geographically more distant guests. Has repeatedly called Ann Coulter "brilliant." Referred to Gerald Ford's yuletide demise as the former president's "Christmas card to the country." Unable to laugh like a normal human, Matthews compensates by simply shouting "ha!"
Exhibit A: "This country is based on generalizations!"
Sentence: Hillary's White House Press Secretary and personal toilet steward.
The BEAST 50 Most Loathsome People in America, 2007
If Hillary wins its Socialism
If Edwards wins if full on Commie!!!
Lets not talk about Obama winning, does not know enough about realpolitik
this is such idiocy, and it is probably part of the clinton campaign's classic disinformation,
referred to as clintonian "lowering of expectations."
edwards has always been the real enemy of the clintons.
their camps fought at bilderberg, and edwards had to come home and coozy up with national interests because the multinationals rejected him.
the clinton camp propped up Howard Dean just to prevent Edwards from gaining any traction,
and we all know what a sham that was.
then they handed Dean the DNC chair, and he has done everything he can to help pave the way for hillary.
Obama may very well be part of camp clinton.
His campaign is run by all former clinton people,
and David Axelrod can hardly be called a "former" clinton teamer.
Similarly, George Soros has been and is in bed with the Clintons.
Like the Clintons, Soros is tight with the Bush family (and the bin ladens), as they all made huge profits warmongering
through the Carlyle Group.
Obama's other big supporters are all Clinton people, and he comes from a Clinton state: Illinois.
I hope that Obama is the next JFK: and that he will become a rebel after he is put in power (quite possibly VP).
But it is very possible that Obama is just a Clinton tool. That is how camp clinton works.
They fooled the idealistic liberal youth with Dean last time. Seems like Obama is reading similar lines. Let's hope not.
Mike S Says:
If Edwards wins Iowa and NH, I think Matthews’s head will explode.
that is not a head on Matthews shoulder .. that is in fact a hemmroid ... simply needs a tube of preparation h put on it: problem solved
and don't forget that ruppert murdoch is raising huge amounts of money for hillary,
while G.W. is appointing Hillary friendly candidates to important executive positions.
and hillary's Karl Rove is lynn forrester rothschild, wife of the head of n.m. rothschild and sons.
Their ace card is deception, and they are brilliant at fooling young, idealist liberals.
They did it with Dean. Don't let them do it with Obama.
I think Obama's campaign slogan is telling:
"A hope we can believe in" might be a psy-op.
haha last thing...
if either edwards or obama bowed out,
hillary would lose.
camp clinton NEEDS obama's popularity.
Lets not fool ourselves into thinking they are terrified of Obama.
Hillary is currently winning 50-0. At best, it is 49-1, and Obama only has it close in 3 states.
The media lied and pretended it was close in 2006, when Obama was close in the national polls:
even though everyone that had anything to do with intelligence knew Hillary was a near lock.
Chris Matthews is the most full of shit pundit out there. His hatred of Hillary Clinton fuels this guys Pavlov bullshit response to take off into the stratosphere. He must think democrats are as stupid as conservatives.
it must be rough to be a national network media star that shows the world his ASS day after day. This guy is FULL of himslef... it really doesn't matter what he thinks... AT ALL.
If Matthews makes a correct analysis, the headline will be 'TWEETY'S RIGHT!!'
If he makes an incorrect analysis, page 62 will note: 'nothing happened today'.
matthews doesn't actually hate hillary.
she is G.O.P. folks.
the myth that hillary hatred will prevent her from being president has been an essential component of the camp clinton strategy.
they have not marketed her as innevitable, only very very late in the game did Mark Penn use that phrase.
Instead, they have used the classic "lowering of expectations." At first they said she was unelectable, then they pretended Obama was winning or close, then they pretended her campaign was floundering.
The G.O.P. wants hillary. They know she will be a one term disaster and hand the reigns back over in 2012.
McCain's "surge" in NH is for the benefit of camp clinton. McCain has 0% chance at the GOP bid. His "surge" is predicated on the endorsement of the long-time Clinton ally, Lieberman. McCain's surge takes many undecided voters out of Obama's range.
We need to see through the false right-left paradigm. Its a one party system.
The G.O.P. kingpins pay for the Hillary bashing, because they know that it will cast her as both tested and unfairly attacked,
thus strengthening her hard-core base, especially amongst women.
They are not trying to hide the conservative support for Hillary: instead, they are anxious to see how much they can get away with in plain sight. Clintons have worked with the Bush family and the CIA since Iran Contra: and they are bilderberg superstars.
Matthews: The biggest American political story of modern times if Obama wins the Iowa caucus. It’ll be all over the world. It will be the third world story of the century, of the last century…the biggest story of modern world history if Obama wins the American presidential caucuses in Iowa..
In Tweety's pea-brain it is the biggest news... evvvvvehhhh! Yet...if Obama becomes the president of the United States it would certainly be bigger...still not the biggest news to ever hit the third world or even the modern world...Might come in 369th or so. But in Tweety's nest... it'll be huge!
Chris May @ 12:
Is it beyond you to pick up on inference?
We're complaining about this: Whoever wins will be a big story, why single out Obama? Everyone has a 50-50 chance of winning, why single out Obama? Unless Tweety's implying something else. Tweety likes to manipulate his delivery to make implications. Since he has repeatedly refered to Obama as Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and since he recently linked Obama repeatedly to "third world countries", he is making an unspoken reference to Obama's "foreigness", code for his being non-white.
Tell you what, the minute Tweety starts gushing his bizarre man-crush absurdities, like: "Thompson smells manly, like English Leather, Aqua Velva and cigars, which people like", or, "Rudy has that Daddy thing going for him. dad the big protector thing", or, "everyone likes Bush, except for left-wing loonies", at Democrats the way he does with Repugs, then you can ask what we're complaining about.
But if you don't look at the totality of how he presents all the candidates, or how he constantly mixes up genuine assessment of a candidate's qualifications with wierdly gay, emotional, subjective gushing over any of the Repugs juxtaposed against his constant obssession with tearing down Hilary and Obama, along with his out-of-hand dismissal of Edwards, (when he isn't bringing up his haircut), then you are cherry-picking only what you can pretend is innocuous.
Those of us paying attention know that Tweety is a really bizarrely closeted queen looking for some tough guy to dominate him. And he focuses on Hilary like a jealous drag queen lusting after another queen's Manalo Blahniks.
Actually, though I agree Obama's candidacy is a major story (particularly in the Muslim world if the smear against him takes enough of a hold), there is another substantial story if Edwards becomes the nominee.
As I understand it, both he and McCain are taking matching funds, so if they are paired off against each other, it would be the first real test for the McCain/Feingold bill.
No matter what you want to see changed about the government, the first and biggest barrier has always been the task of getting a reformer elected, and the fact that politicians inevitably feel obligated to the big-money interests that paid their way. This election could turn that on its head.
Johnny2Bad @ 30:
god i'd love to see an obama/mccain debate. all obama'd have to do is get the little twerp to lose his temper on tv. and i doubt it would take much.
remember mccain's hysterical letter to obama a while back?
" ... third world story of the century" This is such a racist characterization. Obama as you point out yourself is an American story. Matthews is basically saying "black"="3rd world." Now we know that is how the US treats its black citizens (ref. katrina, inner cities, race and class inequality) but this is such a difference, objectionable use.
When has Tweety been right about anything?
"Hillary Loses" would be Mr. Matthews headline. All those in the MSM are just a little scared they might lose a bit of power if Edwards wins the Presidency.
??? Your post doesn't make any sense.
Fanon @ 44:
John @ 62:
Statistically speaking, if there are more than 2 choices you can't have a 50-50 chance of something happening. I guess I am being picky, but it's not really accurate. Depending on the number of candidates you could say he has a 1 in 5 chance of winning, but not 50-50.
This is one of the few times I agree with Matthews. I am an Iowan and a disabled vet that is involved with the Obama campaign. I can tell you that soooooooooooooooo many Republican and Independents will be voting for Obama. While the polls may look tight it is going to be a slightly high margin victory. We have so many vets that are going to walk in Thursday night and articulate to the crowd Obama's military support. One last note...Hillary might lose to even Richardson...these Republicans that don't like Huckabee are voting with us...they figure that they won't be able to convince a bunch of religious nuts to change so why not help Obama.
Peace from Cedar Falls...OBAMA 08.....OBAMA 08.....OBAMA 08
rooth@56
You hit it out of the ballpark!
Splitting Image @ 57:
You mean the smear you just perpetuated?
heathenish @ 66:
Couldn't agree more with you heathenish!!!
John Amato @ 20:
Two words, Amato: white penis.
It wouldn't be that big of a shocker if the white guy- no matter that he'd been quietly makin' up ground behind the other two- made no gaffes and won. Just like Iowa in '04, it'll be "What did the leader do to lose these caucuses?" Hillary was the darlin' comin' in, remember. Doesn't matter that Edwards' message resonates with the voters in the end. He's just the white guy who made no mistakes.
But if Obama won in either of these two states, neither with much of an African-American presence- it would be HUGE!
John @ 62:
Let's see, candidate #1 has 50-50 chance of success. That translates to 0.5 probability of success, candidate #2 has x probability of success (0<=x<=.5) and candidate #3 has 0.5-x. Hmm, candidate #1 has 50-50 chance of winning and there are three candidates.
Leo Africanus @ 59:
I disagree.
The perception around the world- 1st, 2nd and 3rd- is that the very wealthy and powerful US of A is equally racist both at home and abroad. If they perceive that the US is shakin' off its racism at home than it may do the same abroad. An Obama win would put him on a pedestal throughout the non-caucasian world.
Geez, just look at the way that the 2nd and 3rd world idolized Muhamad Ali- and he was just a boxin' champ, not a candidate for the presidency of the most powerful nation on the globe.
STEVEinSC @ 69:
I'm not great at math (which may be obvious) but you are starting with the assumption that candidate one has a 50-50 chance and working your equation from there. Doesn't candidate one have a 1 in 3 chance of success, not 50-50, and so a .33 probability of success?
Bhutto is assassinated today and is in his typical self-serving Crass style Mathews asks " WHO WINS " , are you fricken kidding me ? " WHO BENEFITS "?
A much admired women from Pakistan is cut down and this motor mouth clown Chris Mathews juxtaposes her tragedy with some kind of demented advantage for JOHN McCain and Rudy or Clinton and of course he made sure he played McCain's response over and over , over her assassination . The audacity of these media clowns never ends .
It's as if Mathews was hoping for something like this to happen , in order to resurrect McCain's failing campaign , and blather about how well he knows P.M. and Bhutto . It makes your skin crawl , the way McCain desperately trys to project some relevancy and exploit the death of a great women .
And if ANYBODY , even ex CIA boss McLaughlin gets on TV , and makes the absurd statement that Al Qaeda was responsible , minutes after the killing , BEFORE any investigation , run for the hills, THEY ARE LYING . Specially given the fact that Bhutto wrote in an unopen letter ,that if she were killed, MUSHARRAF IS RESPONSIBLE
Chrissy Chrissy Chrissy....
He wants a candidate who smells like Aqua Velva!
Has he given up on Gulliani?
Chris Matthews does annoy me, but he is likely correct on this one. A win for Edwards in Iowa will still have almost no chance of propelling him to a win in NH. They never vote for the Southerner. Never. Ever. IF Edwards won NH, it would be a vastly more unlikely upset than it would be for Barack to win Iowa...
If I had the choice to watch joe/tweety or watch paint dry....paint wins.
I rarely agree with anything Chris Mathews says, but he has stricken a cord on this one. It will be like a dream come true for many non believers and definitely a plus for America in the eye's of the entire world, who also never believed it could happen.
No matter how many candidates are in the race, any single one can have a 50% chance of winning. Actually, he can have any chance of winning from 1% to 99%. In this case Obama can have a 50% chance, Hillary a 30% chance, Edwards a 15% chance, Richardson a 3% chance and Biden a 2% chance.
Fanon @ 63:
STEVEinSC @ 69:
John Amato @ 20:
Even if Edwards wins, he's so far down in the national polls he won't be given much attention. It won't give him enough momentum to get him back in the race. Hillary losing will be the bigger story.
Mike S @ 9:
And I would pay my hard earned money to watch that!
As I predicted a couple of weeks ago, Edwards is gonna squeak by with about a 1 to 2% win.
And Tweety better pick out the hind tit he'd prefer to suck.
My prediction: Obama will barely win out in Iowa and then win the nomination. I, for one, am a staunch Edwards supporter, but his press attention has been anemic at best and people fail to see past Obama's hype to see the man's policies are lacking, he only musters a fight against progressives, and that his foreign policy "judgment" is flawed (see: his voting record on Iraq, which is identical to Clinton; his co-sponsorship of an Iranian counter-proliferation bill earlier this year that labeled the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists just as Kyl-Lieberman did, a bill Obama described as "reckless" and yet he conveniently wasn't there to vote against; and boasting earlier this year that he'd violate the sovereignty of Pakistan if Musharraf wasn't effective in rooting out terrorists, which is not only outrageous but also goes against his 2004 statement that he'd launch missile strikes on Pakistan if Musharraf was ever deposed in a coup). This man is no better than Clinton and yet people believe the lie that he's change we can believe in.
2007 Pakistan statement: http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php
2004 Pakistan missile strike statement: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0409250111sep25,1,45...
Chris, The All Mighty, Matthews Crates Presidents
Of course there will be those who watched Chris Matthews go from asking whether Barack Obama can beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa, to trashing her everyday to make sure it happens. Matthews is on a power trip; the likes of which this country has not scene since Joe McCarthy's communist scare in the 1950s.
It is sad when host of Matthew's caliber has to tie every event to a Clinton negative. After Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, Matthews posed the question: "who benefits from this unfortunate event?" This question was a transition to, yes you guested it, "the lets beat up on Hillary segment of his show." Matthews took the time to say "Bhutto was not made up like Bill Clinton." She was a real Democratic leader.
Whatever happens in the Iowa primaries, you can bet Matthew's face will tell the story. If Hillary wins the state, Matthews will say very little about the victory, and attempt to influence the New Hampshire primary. Or, if she loses, he will not stop talking about Obama's victory and move to influence the New Hampshire primary.
At the root of Matthew's scheme is power. This guy wants to know HE can make and break those who don't dance to his tune. It's not the power of television, it is the power of Matthews. This bastard is sick and belongs in a clinical setting for an obsession compulsive disorder.
Joseph
Nathan @ 81:
In favor of our Edwards preference, is that the MSM is not as important in Iowa as face-to-face contact, direct contact with the caucus folks, where Edwards excels.
I've got to admit, i do think Hillary and Rudy benefit, and the idea scares the shit out of me.
Isn't ruining one show enough for this imbecile? Honestly, he has the intellect of a flea. I am glad to see that he has officially demoted the US to a 3rd world nation. Oh, I get it, because Obama is black and anything black is bad and has to be associated with the third world. Ah, it's all making sense now, in a tweety sort of way. You just have to close your left eye and turn off your brain. Then it's crystal clear.
Matthews is really a crackpot. A strange, strange man.
Tweety, like all MSM bobble-heads is an asshole! They just don't get it. Which is why I never watch any of these corporate losers anymore. Not good for the blood pressure, and all they do is give us the "parallel universe" perspective.
John @ 62:
There is a 50% chance he will win, and a 50% chance he will lose.
Fanon @ 71:
No, you are assuming that all candidates have equal chance, which they don't.
John Edwards right now is about a 1/10, Kucinich is 1/100000. I think Obama has a 50% chance (50-50) of winning.
So skin color still means everything in America?
I have news for you.
If America were to elect a responsible, truthful, true leader instead of a puppet of big business and lobbying interests, THAT would be the biggest American political story of modern times.
If you elect leaders based on superficial properties (like skin color, hair style, height etc.), you get superficial leaders, and you have no guarantee for how they will really conduct their presidency.
I both laugh and cry a little every time I hear someone say that getting "a woman" or "a black man" in the White House would make things different.
Did Margaret Thatcher in Britain radiate feminine ideals and rule accordingly?
Sigh, people just WANT to be deceived.
"the biggest third-world story of the century"? ROFLMAO
Why!? Because Obama is black his father from Africa and his middle name Hussein?
Yeah most important thing for people in the "third world" is the color of the US presidents skin and his middle name. I bet all palestinians'd be thrilled if Obama became president.
what an ignorant prick
Does diabetes, which Matthews has, eventually cause brain dysfunction? Tweety gets nuttier by the day. Who set him up to be such an authority on everything? Better yet, why does MSNBC and NBC allow this?
The "statistics" discussion that has taken place on this thread is embarrassingly bad . . . and pointless.
Chris May @ 88:
Obviously, I was criticizing Fanon's post.
The only "embarrassingly bad" post is whoever originally claimed it's impossible for Obama to have a 50% chance of winning. If you feel otherwise, join the debate.
Cantor de Mambo @ 95:
Why is everyone so enamored of Obama and Hillary, as if it's an either or? Edwards is the true Democratic candidate in the top three. I truly like Kucinich but I want to wqin in November '08. I also like what Obamam says, but there's not much sunstance to it yet so I can't be comfortable supporting him. So far it's like cotton candy. tempting, but mostly air. Edwards has put flesh on the bones. You know not only what he stands for, but what he'll do about it.
And, as far as electability goes, poll after poll in general election hypothetical matchups has Edwards defeating every Republican candidate by significantly wider margins than either Obama or Clinton, plus he beats McCain, whom Obama only ties and Clinton actually loses to.
Don't let this opportunity slip away. Edwards/Obabma which then sets Obama up for a future run.
Tweety! ha ha that's a good one!
I'm still laughig ..........Tweety!
"SPIT" Matthews ... can you say "souoffering sackuutash". ...... What a waste of 5-6pm and 7-8pm airtime on MSNBC.
heathenish @ 66:
Har de har.
If Clinton does win the election, don't be surprised if that little smear ends up sabotaging her entire Middle Eastern policy for four to eight years, and ditto for any Republican who doesn't cut ties with Rush Limbaugh.
In the middle of a campaign, it may only have been one dig among many, but to many people, there will be a world of difference between someone with even a tenuous connection to the Muslim world winning the Presidency and someone willing to use that connection to keep him out of office.
In terms of their domestic policies, all three Democrats may be a wash, but in my opinion Clinton's move made Obama a more appealing choice to represent the country, especially if Muslims in other parts of the world (who were not the intended listeners) believe the substance of it.
Like it or not, appearance is as important as reality in politics. Look at Ronald Reagan. Even today, evangelical Christians are extremely loyal to his name even though I can't think of one thing he ever did that marks him as a Christian, simply because he was presented as one.
Intentionally or not, Clinton has helped to create a situation where Obama is more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by people in the most volatile part of the world at the moment. Considering that Junior has thrown away about 20 years worth of political capital for whoever succeeds him, we have to find small positives where we can.
That, to me, is the potential Obama story. My original post was merely to point out that a McCain/Edwards contest contains another one.
It should be clear to everybody why the media have been so heavily pushing Clinton and Obama. It's because they know neither can win against whoever happens to be the Republican nominee.
This is why they have to diminish John Edwards by either ignoring him or smearing him with trivialities.
It's less the man than it is the message. Economic populism and mentioning the 30-year war against working people by the economic elites and corporations is not something those same elites want mentioned.
Come on: Obama has NO appeal whatsoever. He was rammed down people's throats by a Republican/corporate-owned media who just HOPE that Democrats are so stupid they will vote for somebody who is really nothing more than an (unwitting) ringer for the Republicans.
There is no real oratory skills there, no charisma (he's just like Gray Davis, and I've seen Barack in person, by the way), no nothing, just a Democratic version of GWB. It's transparent, and anybody who doesn't see the obvious is a fool.
Nathan @ 81:
Oh, nonsense. Obama isn't going to win Iowa. Edwards is.
onceler @ 74:
Tell that shit to John Kerry.
tweety has a great second career of him as a bill clinton impersonator. Bwaahaahaa
oops that should be ahead of him.
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