flipit de flop.........God talked to him and told him to send them home.....so they can come back.

I think Huckabee would rather take the children out into a field in Iowa and hunt them down. Nothing would inspire the GOP base more than hunting Chicanos for Jesus.

Huckleberry: "Let’s thank God we live in a country people are trying to break into, not one they’re trying to break out of."

Not if the Republicans have their way.

Huck didn't flip-flop; that would imply that he had some idea what he was saying in the first place. You can't change a mind you don't have.

This guy is a mess. He will say anything to get a single vote.

"I mean, I can't imagine a parent not taking their children..."

cute. presidential candidates who presume absolutes. what about the dozens, or hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands or more, who DON'T go home with their parents Mike?

what about the children who don't want to go back to Mexico, Mike, but the parents attempt to force them?

he really hasn't thought this one through, has he. Mike Huckabee's a damn moron. short sighted moron, with no backup strategy.

is he seriously suggesting people have 120 days, to leave the country, then re-enter the country, with 100% of them taking children who all willingly want to temporarily turn their backs on their US citizenships and educations?

moron.

I hope Huckleberry gets the nomination. He won't carry one blue state Kerry carried in the last election plus he'd scare off a couple of the red states putting the election out of reach of the anti-democratic conservative activist judges on the supreme court.

RichStraightWhiteAmericanMale @ 13:

"Let’s not forget that our federal government has made a mess of this."

Excuse me, WHO'S federal government made a mess of this? You mean, the REPUBLICAN federal government? Oh, that's what I thought you said.

It's the Republican/Norquist doctrine. Gut government down to the size to "drown it in the bathtub" and then when the cuts you made cause the government not to function you use the ineffectiveness you caused as an excuse to blame the government for not functioning allowing you to justify further cuts.

These sinister bastards know exactly what they're doing.

the huckster has signed on bush foreign policy disaster john bolton to his campaign, looks like another neocon in sheeps clothing...well, at least now it's out in the open.

The greatest commandment from the Good Book. From the Gospels of Mark (12:28–34) and of Matthew (22:34-40):

1.One should love God with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength.

AND

2. One should love one's neighbor as one would love oneself.

Maybe Huckabee never finished reading.

I think Huckabee

is starting to collapse

heh...

kaT @ 11:

foolme1ns @ 3:

there has been at least one instance of a town getting what it wished for by driving out all of the immigrants, illegal and legal. Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.

This is just another hateful republican issue. The mexicans are the new blacks. Use them to stir up the hatred of white people, (because that is what republicans do) to get votes.

Mexicans are not the new blacks. They were not forced to come here, they pay smugglers to sneak them in here. If Mexicans don't like white Americans, they should go back to Mexico. Your last phrase is very telling, "the hatred of white people."

How are Mexicans going to live in the U. S. if they think all white people are hateful? I'll tell you how, they think they are going to take over the United States because they are really the racist bigots, they don't like Americans or American culture.

BTW: There aren't any jobs Americans won't do. That's just a stupid framing technique perfected by La Raza.

"There aren't any jobs Americans won't do???? How many Americans do you see lined up in front of the chicken plucking plants to get less than minimum wage? Hell, teenagers think they are too good to work at McDonalds, you think they are going to pluck chickens, or slaughter pigs on slave wages? Yes there are jobs Americans won't do.

All Huckabee has to do is deny the holocaust and he'll be the next president.

I seig Huckabee.

The funny thing is Huckleberry will get the nod before RP does......which is a good thing....either way it would be easy to rip them up in the general election....but Huckleberry seems easier to me.

I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.

I wonder what his little imaginary friend Jesus thinks about his lack of compassion.

foolme1ns @ 24:

kaT @ 11:

foolme1ns @ 3:

there has been at least one instance of a town getting what it wished for by driving out all of the immigrants, illegal and legal. Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.

This is just another hateful republican issue. The mexicans are the new blacks. Use them to stir up the hatred of white people, (because that is what republicans do) to get votes.

Mexicans are not the new blacks. They were not forced to come here, they pay smugglers to sneak them in here. If Mexicans don't like white Americans, they should go back to Mexico. Your last phrase is very telling, "the hatred of white people."

How are Mexicans going to live in the U. S. if they think all white people are hateful? I'll tell you how, they think they are going to take over the United States because they are really the racist bigots, they don't like Americans or American culture.

BTW: There aren't any jobs Americans won't do. That's just a stupid framing technique perfected by La Raza.

"There aren't any jobs Americans won't do???? How many Americans do you see lined up in front of the chicken plucking plants to get less than minimum wage? Hell, teenagers think they are too good to work at McDonalds, you think they are going to pluck chickens, or slaughter pigs on slave wages? Yes there are jobs Americans won't do.

Ummm...not so much anymore. I know many young adults with college educations who have not been able to move up from a Starbuck's job. It's very different today from a generation ago where, even if you weren't able to have the career of your dreams, you could often depend on getting a job with a company that would allow for promotions within that company.

Huckabee don't know What The F**kabee he thinks!

Lack of respect for the rule of law vastly increases the possibility of tragedy. That axiom was proven on a fateful day in October after one American family’s tragic encounter with an immigrant who had made a mockery of the rule of law by coming to America illegally. Because of that choice to evade the law, lives were shattered.

In a letter in the editorial section of the Times-Republican, Mona Kilborn of Marshalltown, Iowa described the tragedy her family suffered. In her own words:

Looking for a better life? By Mona Kilborn

Many of us have heard the often repeated phrase, "They are just looking for a better life" referring to the illegal aliens flooding into the U.S. That may be true for some — we don’t know — but for some it is absolutely false. Case in point — our family’s experience with an illegal

The date: October 7, 2007. Place: 18th Ave. and Anson St., Marshalltown. Event: An illegal alien with a fake driver’s license ran 2 stop signs, crossed 3 lanes, and broadsided us at a high rate of speed and rolled our van over. My Mother: Dead. My husband: Broken back, broken hand, 4 broken ribs, many lacerations including glass still embedded in his face. My Dad: Eight crushed ribs, abdominal injuries and surgery, dead spouse. Myself: Dead Mother, lacerations, broken ribs. Another passenger with us — lacerations.

Now for the consequences. For the illegal alien driving — a stop sign violation. The fine — $0. Apparently when one is looking for a better life there is no money for fines! For the owner of the vehicle allowing someone to drive without a license — fines and court costs totaling $182. Apparently ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) took the driver and we assume she was deported. We have no closure as we don’t even know what happened to the woman who killed my mother. The court record states that she no longer requires supervised probation (for a prior charge) since she is out of the country. We do wonder if she is back in the US with new fake papers. We probably will never know. When others have been deported we hear wailing about families being separated. Our family was broken. In our case the illegal alien was into family disruption — our family. So we are left holding the bag — medically, emotionally and financially.

The consequences for our family have been somewhat higher! Already the medical costs are approaching a half million dollars. The amount of pain, both physical and emotional is beyond description. Family and friends have to deal with the loss of my mother — a very vibrant and active woman. My Dad has lost his soul mate and now lives with us as he recovers. Dad spent 2 weeks at the University of Iowa and endured surgery, ICU and unbelievable pain. My husband had surgery for his broken back, spent 2 weeks in the hospital and now 2 months after surgery is still working hard to recover. The lifelong implications are still unknown. I took a month off work and still provide care for my Dad and husband. As for the teen with us — who knows what the psychological consequences are? Plus the amount of paperwork for insurance is nearly a full-time job. Another hidden cost is the disability that my husband’s employer pays while he can’t work.

So the next time you hear the phrase "they’re just looking for a better life," you might just wonder at whose expense. We accessed the Iowa Court online public information. What a list of charges we found for the driver and the owner of the vehicle that hit us. There was a long list including but not limited to methamphetamine, OWI twice, assault causing bodily injury, child endangerment — multiple charges, passing a stopped school bus, disorderly conduct, failure to have a valid license — the driver of the vehicle (to solve that she got a fake license), failure to have a valid license (multiple charges for the owner of the vehicle), serious assault, no insurance, failure to have vehicle registration, etc. When illegal aliens br

6. 12/30/2007 11:41:12 AM, enforcemnt, tulsa
I would be very concerned as many think they can keep a low proffile here in a state with many small out of the way towns and lots of rual unchecked jobs. In addition to the floods of illegals leaving Arizona becasue of its new employer laws which every state in this nation need to adopt. . Just imagine how many good legal citizens are being pushed to unemployment becasue illigals work for a lower wage and dont complain about insurance and like to be paid under-the-table as employers then dont have to report all of their earnings or payments. We as a state need to follow Arizonas example and put into place simuliar laws for operating license revocation for illigals being hired into the company. hit the illigals in the money hole without creating profiling all people having to prove citizenship for employmnet and hit the employers that take advantage of that work force. take a look at Arizonas new laws they are quite impressive in regards to illigal immigration supression.Added to the laws better documentaion less forgery prone documents bio-metric data included and removing the social security form of identification from usage are still needed to avoid fake or forged documents but its a huge start if they cant earn the money to buy the documnts by working illigaly then they cant buy the forged documents.

Beyond the whole totally terrifying mega-religiosity angle, the more I read and listen to the "substance" of Huckabee's words, ideals, message, etc., the bigger an idiot he appears to be. It says everything that he's gaining traction.

Larry.....sorry bud....sorry for your loss.......

Cantor de Mambo @ 41:

Canuknotusa @ 30:

I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.

I know what you mean. I think they're about on the same level of simplemindedness, but Georgie now has experience that I hope Huckabee never gets.

Do you really believe that Bush is in control? He's the marionette. The puppetmaster is the brilliant one. The "machine" that puts the blank face on the devilry that drives the vehicle of control. This is what happens when democracy runs afoul with the soil of organized religion.

I dunno...Huckabee sounds to me just like all the other politicians - say whatever it takes to appease the base and get the nomination, then say whatever it takes to please the voters and get elected, then once in office, do whatever it takes to stay there. All candidates on both sides are doing this. And all the candidates get tripped up sometimes.

MS @ 44:

Cantor de Mambo @ 41:

Canuknotusa @ 30:

I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.

I know what you mean. I think they're about on the same level of simplemindedness, but Georgie now has experience that I hope Huckabee never gets.

Do you really believe that Bush is in control? He's the marionette. The puppetmaster is the brilliant one. The "machine" that puts the blank face on the devilry that drives the vehicle of control. This is what happens when democracy runs afoul with the soil of organized religion.

Well, he is the president and he is a simpleton, albeit a managed one. Nonetheless, I don't see the hand of a "brilliant puppet master" in his presidency.

15 Million people, given 120 days to register and leave the country...hmmmm. That's, approximately 125,000 people a day, or 5,209 per hour in a 24 hour period. That's gonna be one huge processing center, he better start building it now, and pray that the people who set up the Motor Vehicle Department are not the ones running the registration.

As long as Mike 'Jaaayyysus' Huckabee keeps saying GOD and keeps having xenophobia and myopia syndrome, he will do just fine with the white old-fart evangelical con-servative part of this country.

Well, I don't know about you, but if Mike is a woman, I would call him the dumbest white xenophic and myopic bimbo on the planet who is more than willing to kiss every white old-far evangelical con-servative's ass that walks in this US of A.

fuckabee needs to go back to whatever country his relations came from.....oh but he protests, he's an american citizen......well, fuck you fuckabee, so are all the children born in American. you and your fucking hypocrite compassionate christian bastards should just shut the fuck up and leave our country. fuckabee is just one more fascist neocon.

"RUSSERT: But that’s 15 million people."

Last week, while checking out RawStory, I came across a comment by someone who lives in the Northwest U.S.. This person said that they knew someone at Gunderson, a railway car manufacturer, who told this RawStory commenter that the U.S. government (Bush/Cheney/Chertoff) had placed an order for enough railway cars to handle "15 million" people...empty railway cars except for rows of shackles on the walls.

Shades of the Nazis and their use of rail cars to transport millioins of Jews, and others, to death camps, often separating children from their parents, just as Huckabee and the hardcore base of the Republican Party wants to do.

When I heard this "15 million" figure used by this commenter, I figured these railway cars were intended from transporting illegal immigrants out of the country, probably in the middle of the night, after they'd been arrested en masse.

Of course, based on one commenter and something they heard, there is no proof...but after the "secret rendition program" established by the worst and most corrupt administration in American history (which used CIA-flown jets), it is not hard to imagine this secret immigrant rendition program being in the works, especially since the U.S. railway system would be the only way possible to move "15 million" people out of the U.S. in a relatively short time.

We've all known for some time that the neo-con Republicans are really neo-Fascists, but if this story is true, then the neo-con Republicans are also neo-Nazis.

What a talent Huckelberry is... he can contradict himself within two sentences... and smile right thru it... and then say he was taken out of context... and THEN describe the same context he had taken in the first place!

This man is a DANGEROUS POL. "It was just a bookshelf." he said to Timmeh this morning... hiding his original agenda... closeting his real goals... lying about his positions... speaking in code for his base... JUST LIKE BUSH.

MS @ 37:

Canuknotusa @ 30:

I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.

Don't be so smug my friend. It is easy to stand on the banks and throw stones. Whoever leads our country, your leaders will be licking his (or her) butt. We are all at risk here.

Smug?
Am I the only smug one here?
If you aren't standing on the bank throwing stones, then am I to understand you are a candidate for your presidency?
A$$h*le!

mudshark @ 39:

MS @ 37:

Canuknotusa @ 30:

I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.

Don't be so smug my friend. It is easy to stand on the banks and throw stones. Whoever leads our country, your leaders will be licking his (or her) butt. We are all at risk here.

Canookistan......could you please give me an example of when Canada took the lead in international affairs.........when exactly was the first and last time Canada took the lead...I'm sure there are atleast 50 examples you can name.

How about when Chretien refused to aid you in your criminal invasion of Iraq.
That one alone trumps every action the U.S.A. has taken over the past 50 years.

Anytime Russert would tag him on one of his lies, distortion or lack of knowledge that the Washington Post printed today, he'd try to cut-off Russert as if to blunt the sting of the message.

kaT @ 11:

foolme1ns @ 3:

there has been at least one instance of a town getting what it wished for by driving out all of the immigrants, illegal and legal. Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.

This is just another hateful republican issue. The mexicans are the new blacks. Use them to stir up the hatred of white people, (because that is what republicans do) to get votes.

Mexicans are not the new blacks. They were not forced to come here, they pay smugglers to sneak them in here. If Mexicans don't like white Americans, they should go back to Mexico. Your last phrase is very telling, "the hatred of white people."

How are Mexicans going to live in the U. S. if they think all white people are hateful? I'll tell you how, they think they are going to take over the United States because they are really the racist bigots, they don't like Americans or American culture.

BTW: There aren't any jobs Americans won't do. That's just a stupid framing technique perfected by La Raza.

++

No kidding. The guy I know that pumps septic tanks? American (white if that matters... but I don't think we should hold that against him, do you?). Pig farmer I know (filthy, stinking job)? American (white also). Garbage men? Yep. Actually it is a big part of our culture. Americans will gladly dig through any muck, if it is profitable. It's one of our specialties. Similarity, Mexican immigrants that are legal, and learn English do just about anything in this country as well. Some of the brightest and hard working CPAs (accountants) I've worked with were either not American, or dual-citizens.

Basically, the bullshit about "American's won't do jobs" boils down to race baiting. And false. I wouldn't fall for it were I you. I say that having stood around in Colorado for day labor pickup with no one, I mean NOBODY, that spoke any English at all. Seemed like a good bunch of guys. I'm 100% positive that none of them were legal. Of course, I speak English (kinda goodly) so I was able to jump on a job that opened up after 2 weeks of that to pay for food and lodging. It was a tough time in my life, and no, there wasn't any goddamn job I turned down. It was hard, honest work, and my body could take it then. If I hadn't had that option, I'd have been in big trouble. I wonder if it would work for me now, without connections, and not being "in the group" (not that my back will take it). I doubt anyone would take me for fear of me "calling them in". So from the exploiter point of view, it's all illegals or none.

I grew up in a town with hundreds of years of hispanic history. Those families, even all this time later, managed to be very proud of and celebrate their cultural heritage (mostly Mexican), AND were also very proud to be American and play by the rules. Just like the rest of us. I learned to love a lot about the culture, it's food, people, customs... and some really shitty things about it, from Nogales to Tuxtla Gutiérrez. Incidentally, the locals in my town with family originally from Mexico were far harder on the illegals that complained about America (hating blacks, or women's rights) or used the fact that they were hidden from sight to pursue crime than anyone else was.

The main problem is illegal labor is essentially breaking the picket lines, in the argument between American labor and American management about fair wages, workplace safety, and health insurance. And let's face it, no one likes a scab, even if they are just as poor as the rest of us, because it means the management always wins and the exploitation continues.

I always wonder exactly who these people are that keep repeating this "Americans won't do dirty jobs" bullshit. It doesn't make sense for nationalistic Republicans, or Democrats that get how the labor system works. I think it mostly just reflects on the ignorance of the speaker.

(And Canada? Canada sold her soul to the neocons in the U.S. for a juicy soft lumber trade deal. Hardly the kind of thing I'd be really proud of. Let's not even get into Canadian oil interests, and how they tinker in the U.S. government. A little team effort here, kids...)

Kay @ 20:

The greatest commandment from the Good Book. From the Gospels of Mark (12:28–34) and of Matthew (22:34-40):

1.One should love God with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength.

AND

2. One should love one's neighbor as one would love oneself.

Maybe Huckabee never finished reading.

Evidentally Putzabee has the redacted form of Bible that the Bushco Politboro uses.

I don't trust this guy at all. His statements to the AP in 1992 as well as his speeches to the Baptist convention should make everyone run away. And his comments about Pakistan? Do we want to trust the US to this guy? He claims that Romney is running negative ads by stating Huck's positions. Have you read the news about fake Christmas cards being sent, supposedly from Romney or the local temple in Boston, but which are supposed to make Romney look bad? I think McCain is too smart for this, having suffered through such fake rumors in SC in the last campaign. I think that all the clues will lead back to Huckabee or his people.

IMO immigration is a non-issue. Up until the republicans started doing badly immigration was not on the national agenda. Now it is. Seems too fishy to me. Thumbs down to manufactured controversy but playing on people's (right wingers) dislike of "brown people",

debaser71 @ 72:

IMO immigration is a non-issue. Up until the republicans started doing badly immigration was not on the national agenda. Now it is. Seems too fishy to me. Thumbs down to manufactured controversy but playing on people's (right wingers) dislike of "brown people",

But thumbs up to your comment!

Anyone who thinks immigration is a major issue from the point of view of citizens and legal residents is full of shit. It's a pretty big issue to undocumented residents, however.

debaser71 @ 72:

IMO immigration is a non-issue. Up until the republicans started doing badly immigration was not on the national agenda. Now it is. Seems too fishy to me. Thumbs down to manufactured controversy but playing on people's (right wingers) dislike of "brown people",

I totally agree with that sentiment. Last time it was the "gay" issue. It is always easier to maneuver the populous against an idea rather than get them to support an idea. Its human nature. It is the last bastion of the desperate. (like using foul language) The republicans are specialists at marketing, note all those "catchy" phrases they come up with. Unfortunately most/many Americans respond to that.

I think illegal immigration became an issue when the US people started complaining about it along time ago and has been buried mostly by bush and his friends who wish to have an open border policy pursuant to nafta, cafta and all thoughs other free trade agreements. Closing the borders would put a damper on the free flow of goods which they purport to desire. People who make this a "race" issue just wish to obscure the facts that illegal immigration has become such a big issue because of crime and all the free services these invaders are getting which tax payers are having to pay for and they are not. I guess if people wish to make a race issue about this then maybe they should ask the immigrants who live here legally why they are being so racist about their illegal brothers.

huckabee may be an asshat, but russert is a fuckwad with that "it will destroy the economy" bullshit

has he been around lately? the economy sucks

wanna explain how competitive wages and people earning a true living wage with benefits without the fear of losing their job to some undocumented illegal is gonna hurt it more??

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 79:

Canuknotusa @ 67:

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 66:

(And Canada? Canada sold her soul to the neocons in the U.S. for a juicy soft lumber trade deal. Hardly the kind of thing I'd be really proud of. Let's not even get into Canadian oil interests, and how they tinker in the U.S. government. A little team effort here, kids...)

Best limit your comments to things you know, friend.

The softwood lumber argument has been going on for decades between the US and Canada, with the WTO and NAFTA boards ruling in Canada's favour time and again. Tens of thousands of Canadian jobs were lost as the result of the latest US illegal tariff on softwood lumber, and we only got back about 80% of the stolen money - so it was hardly a "juicy deal" for us.

As for Canadian oil interests tinkering in the US government, you have got to be kidding!! Again, the US is the big winner, benefiting from low royalties and a country willing to let itself be raped repeatedly by US multi-nationals!

I'm sure growing up with Mexicans has given you some insight, but if you want to discuss Canada, you're out of your depth.

(TFTFY -- that post was messed up!) A fair criticism of my lack of experience. But, er, your link linked back to this page. So, alas, I'm no more enlightened to how Canada has been some sort of Noble Crusader against the Evil Empire of America, instead of a sniveling enabler that profits from this war as well. My knowledge of Canada is about proportional to the length of my statement on it (not much). I certainly don't trust the WTO, but I also don't feel sorry for Canada for not being allowed to dump lumber anymore. Don't like it? Screw the U.S. in negotiations for any Athabasca crude (if you guys ever get that running at a profit). First you say you're not helpless, then you say you are.

I mean there is standing up for what is right, and then there is sitting down and doing a lot of talking about standing up.

You prove my point anyway. How is "a country willing to let itself be raped repeatedly by US multi-nationals" standing up to America influence, exactly? That's... uh, kind of the opposite! I mean, I do like Canada, but all this anti-US crowing about how Canada is so morally superior... I honestly think that's a load of bull. We are pretty close in this, especially when your conservatives are in power. They haven't looked any better than the idiots here to me.

Of all the things to be proud of in Canada, all this talk about supposedly preventing the war or giving Uncle Sam a black eye isn't one of them in my book.

True I spoke too soon about the lumber concession. Let's meet back here in a year, and see who's right! (I won't claim to be some expert, but here's the background so far as I see it: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/softwood_lumber/ )

The CBC says the two countries are like bickering siblings. I'd agree, nether has the high ground in a LOT of topics.

I call it repeated rape. Others would call it friendly economic co-operation.
Glad you found the CBC link about the softwood lumber issue. Still, you refer to "dumping", - maybe give it another read.
Know this is off topic - but how about explaining your comment about Canadian oil interests tinkering with your government...

mudshark @ 81:

I have no beef with Canada......my beef is with some of the commenters here riding high on their moral superiority........you are coming off as pompous and selfrightous......and it's getting old...you all know how we feel here about a wide variety of issues........so please stop with the bashing...your painting all of us with the same wide brush...

Opinion you may not like go hand in hand with the confounded international nature of the internets. By the way, it's damned easy to feel morally superior to the US these days. Sorry, buddy.

Thursday, December 27, 2007
Wait a Minute Mitt Romney has Mexican Roots?

When Tom Tancredo dropped out of the presidential race, he threw his support behind Mitt Romney. An article posted on AlterNet reveals Mitt's Mexican connection.

Mitt Romney's father George was born in Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907, the son of Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt. Three generations of Romneys lived in Mexico because Miles Park Romney, a polygamist, moved the family there in 1884 as it became increasingly clear that the U.S. government would not tolerate polygamy in the Utah Territory. The 1882 Edmunds Act stripped polygamists of the basic rights of U.S. citizenship, denying them the right to vote, serve on juries or hold office. Not dissimilar to current immigration raids, U.S. federal agents hunted and arrested polygamists. Polygamists were forced to leave the country or risk jail.

Mitt's grandparent's crossed back into the U.S. during the Mexican Revolution. But that hasn't made this candidate any softer on the immigration issue.

Source : AlterNet
Image Source : NY Press

Just to be clear, I'm not saying your PM Harper, for example, is WORSE than Bush. So oddly, I somewhat agree with the first statement: "I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong." Bush is horrible, and if anything, Huckabee is somehow worse. I don't agree with a lot of stuff that came after that, however.

Worse than Bush? That would take some doing! But is he really better than the average U.S. conservative? Not to my knowledge so far:

"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them."
Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.

"It [referring to calling a Minister "Idiot"] was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win."
Montreal Gazette, April 2003

"We should have been there shoulder to shoulder with our allies. Our concern is the instability of our government as an ally. We are playing again with national and global security matters."
Canadian Press Newswire, April 11, 2003

"On the justification for the war, it wasn't related to finding any particular weapon of mass destruction. In our judgment, it was much more fundamental. It was the removing of a regime that was hostile, that clearly had the intention of constructing weapons systems. … I think, frankly, that everybody knew the post-war situation was probably going to be more difficult than the war itself. Canada remains alienated from its allies, shut out of the reconstruction process to some degree, unable to influence events. There is no upside to the position Canada took."
Maclean’s, August, 25, 2003

OK, so I've meandered completely off-topic (uh, trade...NAFTA? Mexico's in NAFTA.. yeah, that's it). But oil... want do you mean? The U.S. companies import more oil from Canada than from anyone else. By a long, long way. Wait, you actually think those exporters of YOUR oil have absolutely NO contact with the U.S. oil lobby? Wow... we need to resume this discussion -- hold on a sec, I'm getting a bridge ready for sale -- you'll love it...

But so as not to stray too far, the comments I was responding to were the ones like:

"Canada takes the lead in “Minding it’s own fucking business.”
When are you guys going to take the lead?

because passive cooperation is still cooperation. I honestly believe this (the whole corporate/political war-machine) to be a cross-border problem.

Make that:

2) Despite what you may have heard on Rush Limbaugh, illegal immigrants are NOT self-contained Cylons. They need to, you know, buy things. Sending 15 million customers out of the country doesn’t do any businesses any good.

ALL THIS BULL ABOUT IF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GOT DEPORTED THE ECONOMY WOULD COLLAPSE IS COMPLETE BS. THE ECONOMY WOULD ACTUALLY GROW. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BS STORY THE CORPORATE MEDIA MAKES UP TO SCARE YOU IN LINE. THE FACT THAT SOME RICH GUY IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE MORE TO GET HIS LAWN MOWED AND HIS HOUSE CLEANED WOULD BENEFIT EVERYONE.

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The Ole' Huckster flips and flops slicker than a beached bass on a hot river bank.

There's something like 150,000 troops in Iraq, the logistics of which, according to the pundits, would take at least half a year to extract but Mr. Huckabee is proposing the deportation of 15,000,000 illegal aliens from America within a time-frame of 120 days.

broken link on the Windoze video link...again.

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 88:

Just to be clear, I'm not saying your PM Harper, for example, is WORSE than Bush. So oddly, I somewhat agree with the first statement: "I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong." Bush is horrible, and if anything, Huckabee is somehow worse. I don't agree with a lot of stuff that came after that, however.

Worse than Bush? That would take some doing! But is he really better than the average U.S. conservative? Not to my knowledge so far:

"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them."
Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.

"It [referring to calling a Minister "Idiot"] was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win."
Montreal Gazette, April 2003

"We should have been there shoulder to shoulder with our allies. Our concern is the instability of our government as an ally. We are playing again with national and global security matters."
Canadian Press Newswire, April 11, 2003

"On the justification for the war, it wasn't related to finding any particular weapon of mass destruction. In our judgment, it was much more fundamental. It was the removing of a regime that was hostile, that clearly had the intention of constructing weapons systems. … I think, frankly, that everybody knew the post-war situation was probably going to be more difficult than the war itself. Canada remains alienated from its allies, shut out of the reconstruction process to some degree, unable to influence events. There is no upside to the position Canada took."
Maclean’s, August, 25, 2003

OK, so I've meandered completely off-topic (uh, trade...NAFTA? Mexico's in NAFTA.. yeah, that's it). But oil... want do you mean? The U.S. companies import more oil from Canada than from anyone else. By a long, long way. Wait, you actually think those exporters of YOUR oil have absolutely NO contact with the U.S. oil lobby? Wow... we need to resume this discussion -- hold on a sec, I'm getting a bridge ready for sale -- you'll love it...

But so as not to stray too far, the comments I was responding to were the ones like:

"Canada takes the lead in “Minding it’s own fucking business.”
When are you guys going to take the lead?

because passive cooperation is still cooperation. I honestly believe this (the whole corporate/political war-machine) to be a cross-border problem.

Passive cooperation is just that...a classic American position on an out of control government
that neither you nor your liberal friends will get off their asses to fix.

haddanufff @ 100:

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 88:

But so as not to stray too far, the comments I was responding to were the ones like:

"Canada takes the lead in “Minding it’s own fucking business.”
When are you guys going to take the lead?

because passive cooperation is still cooperation. I honestly believe this (the whole corporate/political war-machine) to be a cross-border problem.

Passive cooperation is just that...a classic American position on an out of control government
that neither you nor your liberal friends will get off their asses to fix.

OK, now your trolling doesn't even make any sense. Or you can't read. Either way, I can't help you.

Remember the good old days when Hollywood mystery movies put a "double-cross" into the plot? When audiences tired of this type of surprise ending, someone invented the "triple-cross." It was no longer good enough for A to be double-crossed by B. Now, C had to double-cross A and B. Wild Things, with Kevin Bacon, not only had a quadruple-cross, the penultimate cross was gay, so it was a kind of quintuple-cross.

Now comes Gomer Shuckabee criss-crossing himself about six times during that portion of the Russert interview dealing with immigration policy. I defy any reasoning person to read the transcription you've reproduced on this site who can come away from it saying, "Oh, yeah, I know exactly what he means." This guy is as fishy as the Fulton Street Market. And, like most fish (oh, my, considering his calling, I realize I've made a double entendre), he's begun to stink real bad.

So the warm, cuddly, good ol' American values Shuckabee of the "we're-better-than-that" line at the debates was a big phony baloney, Shuckabee knowing all the time what the audience didn't have time to stop and think about: that if the Señor and Señora are sent home, little Juan y Mariana are going, too. We can't leave the niños in the States while Mama y Papa go back to Mexico, Nicaragua, or El Salvador now, can we?

But we need Juan, Sr. and Maria to pick our grapes, cause, see, if these indentured slaves didn't pick the grapes, the fruit would be going for about $10 a pound at the supermarket. And since Juan's brother, Jose, and his esposa, Luisa, butcher meat at Armour and Swift, we gotta have them stick around, too, lest a coupla poke chops go for $10 and broiler-fryers $3 a pound. Well, what the hey, I've got an idea! Send the children back across the border and let the parents stay here. That way, the kids can move into the hovels at the Mexico City landfill and pick over the garbage tossed by the other 19 million inhabitants.

Cantor de Mambo @ 47:

mudshark @ 42:

Larry.....sorry bud....sorry for your loss.......

Sorry for Mona Kilborn's loss, that is. Larry's just being anti-immigrant. Unfortunately, the driver could just as well have been a cranked up, uninsured citizen.

We need to make sure that people have licenses and insurance, irrespective of their immigrant status. Universal health care would also be a great thing.

We also need to change our immigration policies to reduce illegal immigration. If we really don't want to increase legal immigration to match business demand, we need to start putting business people in jail who hire undocumented workers. If we want immigrants to provide cheap labor, then we need to increase legal immigration and make sure immigrants are integrated into society with insurance, drivers licenses, and health care.

Anti..ILLEGALS...YES I AM!!!

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 93:

So JasonS, you're saying that you agree that we have Mexican illegals working as slaves, and it's a bad situation, but that's all OK, because it would cost money to fix that problem?

As far as I can tell he's saying that, except from the Mexicans' point of view, it's not an economic problem worth solving because the solution is more expensive than any gain--i.e. arguments that illegals need to be kicked out to save our economy are bunk.

Indeed the links are broken. I think it's weird that only after 100 posts, someone points it out.

One wonders if most people posting bother to watch the clip first. Did they all see it live on TV or was the transcript enough? (My guess is Huckabee face was enough to get the discussion started.)

kaT @ 11:

foolme1ns @ 3:

there has been at least one instance of a town getting what it wished for by driving out all of the immigrants, illegal and legal. Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.

This is just another hateful republican issue. The mexicans are the new blacks. Use them to stir up the hatred of white people, (because that is what republicans do) to get votes.

Mexicans are not the new blacks. They were not forced to come here, they pay smugglers to sneak them in here. If Mexicans don't like white Americans, they should go back to Mexico. Your last phrase is very telling, "the hatred of white people."

How are Mexicans going to live in the U. S. if they think all white people are hateful? I'll tell you how, they think they are going to take over the United States because they are really the racist bigots, they don't like Americans or American culture.

BTW: There aren't any jobs Americans won't do. That's just a stupid framing technique perfected by La Raza.

Idiota, who is "la raza"? Do you know what that means? Any idea? Because clearly you have been sitting on the virtual riverbank eating shit sandwiches with lou dobbs again, who loves to conflate the 'NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA' (That's NCLR, amigo) with "la raza," which is a HUGE difference. Do you understand the difference? No. Just like you, and your various idiotic cohorts above who exclaim, blue faced, that our economy will be better or fine if we rid ourselves of the ILLEGULZ, you do not understand politics or history as related to this issue at all. You speak from fear and loathing, and expect reasonable people to be fooled and think your beef is just about law? Yet you are oh so selective about what laws you mention, you don't reference any past history or laws that very clearly have led to an impossible situation for migrants workers (who, wake up class, were recruited here and ARE recruited by companies here STILL) and a juicy double bind that benefits people like you and me.

and @ 66 swarmofkillermonkeys:

I always wonder exactly who these people are that keep repeating this “Americans won’t do dirty jobs” bullshit. It doesn’t make sense for nationalistic Republicans, or Democrats that get how the labor system works. I think it mostly just reflects on the ignorance of the speaker.

Just look to Arizona. Stop reflecting upon your own ignorance and embarrassing yourself and just look to Arizona's economy. Wanna see a model for what happens when America trots down this self-destructive and self-loathing path you people prescribe? Arizona's economy will soon be (is beginning to be) tanking because many businesses have to close or freeze expansion or outsource to mexico due to the new law in effect that punishes businesses for hiring the population they have for so long, and so many factories and corporations still do!

Americans will do the jobs, you cheerfully argue, so why are these places shutting down or freezing or moving? Businesses are talking about moving to Texas now, in AZ! Why are they hiring in Mexico, when they cannot hire Mexicans in America? If Americans are so eager to do the jobs?

Here's a little fable, if you are interested in fantasy.

foolme1ns @ 3:

Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.

I've been saying this exact thing for years. If an uneducated immigrant who can't speak English can do your job better, cheaper, and faster, well that's free economics and it's time to get a different job. Oh wait, I forgot that free economics and markets only has stance with the Repubs if it's huge corporations pleading the case.

I'm trying to collect some data and stories on white collar immigration issues, particularly with India and both outsourcing and h-1b visas. Would you mind putting an entry on your site about my site so that I can get some feedback from your users?

http://www.returnourjobs.com

Huckleberry Hound is just another lying, Bush loving, Reslug.

Doug @ 119:

anyone got an alternate link for the clip?

Sitemods: It would really help matters if your 404/error page had a link to report it directly. I am too lazy to email, but would gladly click a reporting link for broken clips.

It's been 12+ hours now since i last checked, and it's still down.

Site Monitor: We reported it last night when we found out about it. Our tech people don't work 24 hours a day. We'll get it fixed as soon as we can.

I've re-uploaded the video to our servers. We have had some periodic problems with one of our servers and it doesn't look like a full file transfer was successful. You should be able to view the video now.

I think most important think here is family. These families should not be broken up. If the child is an "Anchor Baby" with neither of the parents US citizens, then I think the whole family is deported and the child- and ONLY the child ( or children), can return to the US when they turn 18.

uppity kitty @ 123:

Mike Smith @ 122:

I think most important think here is family. These families should not be broken up. If the child is an "Anchor Baby" with neither of the parents US citizens, then I think the whole family is deported and the child- and ONLY the child ( or children), can return to the US when they turn 18.

That anchor baby child can get a Mexican birth certificate right here in the US at the Mexican Consulate. Those children essentially have dual citizenship because their parents circumvented the law, overstayed visas and remained illegally because they could gain employment. The child can return at any time or remain in the US. Their parents cannot.

There are many people from all over the world who follow the law in their effort to become American citizens. Perhaps we should be welcoming and helping them instead.

you raise a very good point uppity kitty.........dual citizenship........similar, if not the same as children of US citizens born abroad.....