McCain Tries To "Out Christian" Huckabee--With A Little Help From Brownback
Launching a new "Catholics for McCain" group and rolling out new leadership for his "Iowans of Faith for McCain" group last week, broadcasting a television ad about bonding with a prison guard over a cross as a POW, and airing recent ads on Iowa Christian radio, the presidential candidate who famously denounced the Christian Right's leaders as "agents of intolerance" in his 2000 White House bid is making an 11th-hour appeal for the movement's support.
Perhaps more than anyone, the person responsible for John McCain's turnabout is Kansas Senator Sam Brownback, the evangelical-turned-Catholic religious conservative who endorsed McCain shortly after ending his own presidential campaign in October. In recent weeks, Brownback and advisors from his defunct campaign have counseled McCain and his aides about stepping up conservative Christian outreach and have arranged meetings between the campaign and evangelical Christian leaders.
"They are redoubling their efforts," Brownback said of the McCain camp's religious outreach effort in an interview on Saturday. "For quite a while, they just didn't think it was their best zone of opportunity, and then we pushed them a lot and they've seen that McCain has a message that resonates in that community."
"I don't think they'd been very aggressive on reaching out the faith community... or showing respect for faith and issues of faith," Brownback added about McCain and his team. "More than anything, he had to show respect for authentic faith, and you're seeing that now in his language."
Jeez, I just love how the Republicans are trying to out-theocrat one another. (/snark) The question is whether these "faith voters" have such short memories that they'll forget McCain's dismissive words during the 2000 campaign. Don't you find it curious that the MSM isn't really picking up on the rather large flip-flop on McCain's part the way they dissected every single vote or statement John Kerry made in 2004?
Happy Frist Year.
Well, if they all wanted to act more "Christianly," they could all start with sticking to that whole "not bearing false witness" thing. And the one about not killing. Stuff like that.
Well, I would say God help us, but ya know....
You need to see this,
Two pictures, two goodbyes
Heartbreaking
QuakerDave @ 2:
And the "not coveting".
Especially the killing that's because of the coveting.
hadenuf @ 3:
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Anybody besides me afraid of the "Christian right".
God, I miss Hunter R. Thompson. I would just love to read what he would have to say about these ChristoFascist Jeezocrats,
Oh, how could I have forgotten the coveting???
There's this narrative out there that the radical religious right can change the outcome of elections. I call bullshit.
Hey secular lefties stop just giving in to this narrative! Make yourselves heard by writing your elected officials, voting, and just speaking up. Remember, your silence implies consent.
I think it is very telling that McCain and Huckabee are now praising each other and blasting Romney.
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Nicole Belle is after Mc Cain again. What a surprise! It is your unreasonable posts smearing Mc Cain that have turned me off this site. You employ the same tactics as the idiots on the right. Your endless campaign of showing Mc Cain as a bigot is only gonna fool the left wing sheeple just as Limbaugh, Coulter et al fool their minions with tenuous arguments. It's either you don't get Mc Cain's humor or you find his outreach to a certain segment of the population as some proof of hypocricy.And that becomes the basis of yet another foolish post by Nicole Belle ' exposing ' Mc Cain. Is he asking for the votes of Christians who condemn non-Christians here? What's so bad about courting Catholics? Isn't Obama going after religious voters?
When you had gloated at Mc Cain's campaign's imminent demise in the summer, you shared the glee of the right wingnut Michelle Malkin. The man gets hate from the extreme left and the wingnuts. He is definitely doing something right. And if your litmus test is the Iraq War then just say it that you hate him because of his support of the war. Because there ain't nothing else you have on him.
Mc Cain is a hero not just for his service to this country but also for what he has gone through for us immigrants and most importantly none of you have ever given me any strong argument against Mc Cain. It's the same thing again and again. I too would like to punish the Republican Party this time ( only if I could vote ) and I am disgusted by their presidential candidates but Mc Cain is in a different league. You guys here could be more objective and much less biased than the bastards on the right fringe but no you have to copy those SOBs.
Watch out for Insane McCain Trolls!
It'll be fun come general election time to see how quickly these guys try to distance themselves from their extremist friends du jour.
imaginary frienditude is the new litmus test
Lookie @ 13:
You guys crack me up. This is a liberal blog. Think real hard--I'm not a journalist, I'm an opinion blogger, who is asked to give MY OPINIONS. I also don't like hypocrisy. McCain was only too happy to diss the same people he's cozying up to now--not because of his beliefs, but because he wants GWB's votes from 2000.
Let's see, in the last month, I've been accused of shilling for Hillary, promoting Obama despite his complete lack of experience, being too nice to Ron Paul, endorsing Edwards, ignoring Dodd (on a Dodd post I did, mind you) and being a corporatist looking for blogad revenues (none of which I see in my current contract). And now I'm unreasonably "smearing" McCain.
The way I see it, all this tells me is that you have your panties in bunch because I'm not as gaga over your candidate as you are.
You are absolutely free to express your opinion and I share the one that McCain is a hero for his service and sacrifice during Vietnam. However, I don't believe that anyone is above criticism, especially for such a glaring hypocrisy.
Catholics for McCain (AKA 'Pedophiles for the Putz') should be a hoot.
I wonder what dispensations he'll buy from the Pope.
The way his buddy Bush has fu*ked-up the dollar, the Pope will probably only accept Euros or Yuan. Which is OK, because it would cost a fortune to ship the millions of dollars it will cost to get an 'Atheist' exemption for McCain.
If he goes to communion, and you're there, too, be sure you get ahead of him in the line, or all the wine will be gone.
What happened? Somebody woke up St. John from his autumn nap?
Yeah, play to the fundies, that'll get you elected. Must have had another bad dream. They won't even have to hand him a South Carolina slam-job to finish him. He's done.
Since protitution is illegal in the U.S. why aren't politicians being arrested?
Was he posing behind a Christy cake in his new ads? Everyone in NOLA remembers your fondness for cake, big John.
A jesus-shaped cake might help you this time.
Yeah right Nicole! As if this is your first post unreasonably faulting Mc Cain.
The only part of religion McCain understands is passing the collection plate. But since the Pope has a damned good intelligence network, the chances of McCain getting his hands on a collection plate in a Catholic church, are zilch.
He'll have to count on his lobbyist bribes for walking around money, and retirement.
I'll bet he never considered he'll have to tithe 10% of his income to the Pope. That's the side of bribery McCain is not familiar with. I'll bet as soon as he finds out about tithing, he'll do something to get himself ex-communicated.
I believe that men are generally still a little afraid of the dark, though the witches are
all hung, and Christianity and candles have been introduced. ~Henry David Thoreau,
"Solitude," Walden, 1854
All these jerks deal in hocus pocus and smoke and mirrors. Talking to god is the biggest malady in humankind.
The Querist
On a side note, what's with the "I approve..." bullshit. That was started to add on to ads where the candidate was not speaking the content of the ad. When the candidate is the one speaking in the ad, of course he/she approves of it. I know McCain is not the only one doing this but it's still idiotic and damned annoying. I'm me and I approve of this comment. Duh.
Lookie @ 13:
Altho there is that little tidbit (courtesy of today's Washington Post) that, in spite of the fact that he's spent much of his time railing against the power of special interests, he has more lobbyists raising funds for his presidential campaign than any other presidential candidate.
I have a problem with this type of thinking.
"Mc Cain is a hero not just for his service to this country ...."
Since when does being dumb enough to join the army make someone a hero? He was a pilot, got shot down, was tortured, blah, blah, blah. He was also trying his best to kill the 'enemy', and they caught him. Anyone here still think the North Vietnamese were/are our enemy? Just another fake war for profit, period. Just like the suckers in Iraq right now. They are being used by ass-holes to enrich themselves. I support the troops, bring them home, don't use them like this. This war is a criminal enterprise. They are pawns, not 'heros'....
Brownback, Huckabee, Tancredo, and now McCain, are sponsoring a bill to have a two-hundred-foot cross installed on top of the Capitol Dome.
For those who nit-pick about separation of Church and State, they talked Cheney into awarding a no-bid contract to Halliburton to levitate the cross an inch or two above the Capitol.
Marketing with Jesus!
All these faux-Christian republicans.
Now they have to kneel in church, as well as when giving blowjobs.
I'll bet a bill will be introduced to either provide government-paid knee pads, or compensate them for two pairs of pants a year.
Oh, and from what I understand, during Vietnam, we also tortured. I have it first hand, the guy was in the helicopter and did the shoving, that we used to take POW's up in helicopters, several hudred feet, 2, 3, 4 at a time, and start asking for info. The first ones ALWAYS got pushed out. By the time they got to the last guy, he would be telling you his entire life story....
I wonder if all the things McCain dreamed about when he was lying on his ass in that North Vietnam prison camp, are coming true.
Is this crap what he had in mind?
Preacher Boob @ 31:
He lost all the Centrist and Progressives when he went down to kiss Falwells ass.
When he did that he lost all respect for his past good deeds and heroisms.
debaser71 @ 9:
Well, they're very well organized. And very determined. I think you have to admit that they can change elections. This election I think they are guaranteeing the republicans get a shit candidate, which is great for the dems. I think if there's also the chance that they might actually draw a third party into the mix if Huckabee loses. They certainly have the funds and organization and will to do it.
The GOP Pledge of Submission--
I pledge submission to the Cross,
and to the Theocracy for which it stands:
one Fundamentalist Christian Nation divisible,
With Blind Faith and Salvation for Christians.
....everyone else? run.
Lookie @ 13:
At least, McCain is a senile old man. At most, he's batshit crazy. Take your pic. So what he did service to his country?!? If it meant anything at all to him, he would not support this occupation. Period.
we have lost our way as a nation. what our anything-but-perfect founding fathers warned against is not only happening, but is being cheered on by members of the electorate too confused, disinformed, misinformed and ignorant to know they are being duped. our faux-leaders in the media, industry and government have strangled our national heritage for their own short-term gains, at the price of our nation's present and future.
whodathunk that at the beginning of 2008 we would have leading candidates calling for theocracy, tyranny, despotism, neo-monarchy and suspension of civil rights? we have always had such elements, but it is a sad day when their extreme and dangerous ideologies have become not only mainstream but, somehow, commendable by the public at large.
america where are you?
oh yeah, happy 2008.... *sighs*
Terrific. Now in the Senate republican caucus rooms, the big arguments will be about who is 'Most Beloved' by 'god', and who 'Most Adores' the 'heavenly father'.
That'll get a lot of kids fed, vaccinated, and educated.
Samson- @ 36:
They are on the couch watching football and drinking beer.
Preacher Boob @ 37:
Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I never thought I'd see the day that candidates would be asked for their favorite bible verse during a political debate so your scenario can't be far behind.
Lookie @ 13:
and thank god he stood up to the agents' of intolerance!!!
phhpt...
a man who sells himself as a 'straight talker' only to suck up to those he once called-out destroys the one thing he once claimed to have: credibility.
if credibility is unimportant to you, then he is your man.
I wish to hell the idiot campaign adviser who told McCain, a couple of years ago, to always put on that stupid, self-conscious, sh*t-eating smile when speaking, or before a camera, had had better taste.
McCain giving the finger would be more honest.
rob the blob @ 33:
I agree but their success is 100% dependent on our silence. Look what happens when we speak up, WE get called bigots, haters, etc etc. We have to change the narrative.
I think it's GREAT that these politicians are appealing to the "frightened gramma"
constituency.
With these idiots (and I include Democrats with the lot) spouting faith for points, this really says something about faith. Faith = political brownie point? Fuck religion right in the ear, that's what I say. I am so very tired of faith and the faithful, we might as well immediately discharge the nation's criminally insane; they are identical except the criminally insane are more predicatable and more dedicated.
At his age, one of these days McCain will get down on his knees and not be able to get back up.
If he's president, we'll have a facsimile resurrection of FDR, in a wheelchair, without the compassion or wisdom, or experience or intelligence, to get us safely through a crisis.
He'll probably run over his own foot, and have to be taken to Walter Reed'
Let's hope he gets a room with cockroaches and mold.
Nicole Belle @ 16:
I used to be a big McCain democrat. It is a shame how he sold out the dream of his "revolution" against the "anointed one" campaign he ran last cycle... and I would still say he's the best of the lot on the right, with the obvious Ron Paul exception (not that i'm necessarily a 100% sure all of Ron Paul's ideas are good... but at least they represent the TRUE idea of conservatism.) I think McCain is a real blessing not just for his war record, but for his saving of the filibuster. I mean, the man prevented the TOTAL neocon take over of the senate. I don't think he gets enough credit for that. And he's definitely a bipartisan according to record.
However, he also can't be trusted to fully investigate the Bush crime family's criminal operations, nor am a sure he would reverse all the attacks on our constitution and repeal all of the new presidential powers Bush grabbed.
Still, if has to be a republican, and god i hope its not, i still think he'd be the best of the lot. Not much worse than Hillary Clinton. Actually.... probably nearly identical. Maybe even better. At least its still up for debate if he's a NWO pawn, whereas Hillary is the fucking face.
What In The F*ck Happened To The Seperation Of Church And State!!!
Why don't we elect Jesus for president? Oh because he's imaginary... Okay, who's closest to Jesus then? Why not vote for the guy who can say "Jesus" the most times under two minutes! Ready? Get set! (Jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus, jesus....)
You win!
"The less said about Lincoln's religion the better". Judge Davis, Honest Abe's "campaign manager" in 1860, and later Supreme Court Justice.
Preacher Boob @ 37:
Look on the bright side - it could ultimately degenerate into gunplay.
Tom (not Tom) @ 50:
And I thought it would be over which candidate took the fewest hits of acid in their youths.
hopefully the 08 election will mark the end of america's persecution of the christians. and maybe, just maybe, we will actually elect a christian for president! for too long pontius-pilate-loving americans have kept christians out of public life. how many wiccans, theosophists, thelemites, fsm-followers, buddhists, hindus, muslims, shinto followers, baha'is, janists, sikhs, rastas will hold the title of the president of the united states of america before we get one christian!!
i think this might just be the year when christians are allowed to declare their faith without fear of violent, state-sanctioned repression.
\snark off
rob the blob @ 46:
Rob the blob,
I agree with you some and then don't. However my beef is that these bloggers keep going after the only good Republican candidate who as you point out is John Mc Cain. I mean if you really are a liberal and would like to save America then where is the outrage against the worst of the bunch who is also a frontrunner - Mitt Romney. That's why I have my 'panties in a bunch'. And if you are mad at Mc Cain for some other reason ( Iraq war ) then fucking say it. Don't hide behind false stories ( a joke, a song, an audience member's ' bitch ' comment ). Oh yeah and I have heard about his ' kissing Jerry Falwell's ring ' a million times on this site. What else? Besides if that's such a shameful case of hypocricy in his long career then all your favorite candidates are even worse.
And look at the ridiculously misleading title of the post. Even if you are not a journalist you know better John Mc Cain is nowhere near Huckabee in pandering to the Christian right. But facts don't matter. Someone's got a thing for Mc Cain here. Worst such posts alienate the very people whom such a blog might want to win over.
Rose @ 6:
I am... and I'm what most people would call the "Christian right". I'm Evangelical (Messianic, to be exact), anti-war, pro-life and have a big "IMPEACH" sign in my front yard. And I am not alone! What scares us is the question of whose version of Christianity are we gonna get? How tolerant is that "Christian right" going to be towards those of us who do not follow their script for faith? My church family says our only hope is to keep religion out of politics and politics out of religion. I don't see too many others around with that point of view....
The Mormons down the street already have their Mittens sign out. Huckleberry and McCain are saying anything to get a few votes - just like most of the Dems. And I'm starting to think its time to check out real estate in Canada.
rob the blob @ 46:
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I don't share your opinion on McCain's bipartisan nature or his stopping the evil of the neocons. And fortunately, I have facts to back me up. If you look at his voting record, he has one of the most conservative ones in the Senate. Add to that his willingness to cozy up to those who embrace the politics of destruction--and say nothing when Bush's signing statement basically castrates his anti-torture bill--a victim of it himself.
And lookie, you seriously have blinders on. I defy you to go through the Romney category or Huckabee category and not say we haven't been just as tough on them as we're being with McCain.
McCain is the one bringing Brownback and Lieberman on the campaign trail with him and somehow we're the bad ones to point out this 180 from his 2000 campaign.
Uh, yeah.
The media - largely owned by repukes, for repukes. They will say nothng about the repuke hypocrisy - save for KO, TDS, etc.
Lookie @ 13:
Lookie, STFU and start thinking. mccain is giving the word "pander" a whole new meaning. He has changed his mind in a much more pandering fashion than romney ever did. Clear your brain before spewing... please.
“More than anything, he had to show respect for authentic faith, and you’re seeing that now in his language.”
Like when McCain calls others idiots, or sings, "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, or maybe the way he laughs when a woman is publicly called a bitch. Yeah, exactly what "faith" would that be?
The church of: "desperate old rich white men yearning to stay in power"
No false stories, video is available for all of these actual demonstrations of his lack of integrity and decency.
McCain is my Senator, I have reason to dislike his service as my representative in D.C. He is not a good person, much less a good candidate for the office of president.
Gretchen @ 54:
Exactly. They keep claiming they just want to make sure the faithful get heard but their strong arm tactics are scary as is their desire to define what is "appropriate" faith (and that definition keeps getting narrower and narrower). There's a lot more than religion going on here and I think it's called power tripping. There are people of faith like Jim Wallis who are trying to counter some of this stuff. Trouble is, MSM rarely gives them the time of day.
And, btw, Hooray! for your impeach sign!
Mike Huckabee was recently quoted as saying "I'm so religious I shit Crucifix's".
My guess is Mcain wants to step in and catch all those fleeing from the Huckster as most do when they realize what a nutter he is. Who else are they going to vote for? Guliani? Thompson? A Morman? Crazy talk that.
Mcain wants to position himself as Just. Christian. Enough. Not crazy, evolution denying Christian, but rather a go to church on Sunday, tithe EXACTLY 10%, I'm better than those Godless Heathens in Arabia -Christian.
There are limits, you understand.
fwacbar @ 26:
I have to vehemently disagree with you. A great many people have a sense of duty beyond that of the self interest. To serve in the armed forces is not STUPID! If you want to disparage the people that put the brave young men and women in harms way then I will be right there with you, but as soon as you aim your barbs at the sailors, air men, and solders you have crossed my line and you only bring discredit on yourself. THEY ARE AND ALWAYS BE HEROS IN MY EYES
Tom (not Tom) @ 50:
You're right. That would be the 'christian' way to settle the matters.
Don’t you find it curious that the MSM isn’t really ...
Curious hell, I'm shocked. You could have knocked me over with the big book of George W. Bush's Accomplishments I was so weak in the knees.
Huckabee's not an agent of intolerance, he's just a super-Christy theocrat. But he never claimed that 9/11 or Katrina was caused by tolerance of homosexuals a la Falwell or Robertson. It's not fair to lump them all in the same category.
Falwell and Robertson are evil, Huckabee's merely an idiot.
What-ever... McCain, Huckabee, Brownback, all of em.. Personally, they're all worthless and pathetic to me... Not even really worth the time I'm taking to post about them here today. They couldn't buy my vote with all the gold in Ft. Knox backed by all the Euro's in the vatican.... That there is some sort of pissing contest over who gets the GOP nomination is someone else's problem.. Like the 25% troglodytes who still think George Bush's shit don't stink....
I'll be voting Kucinich in the dem primary. Then I'll vote the dem ticket in the national election, and if by some miracle the little boy mayor from Cleveland happens to be on that ticket I'll be one happy motherfucker... But if not, I'll still vote dem because repubs in my lifetime, save perhaps Eisenhower, have shown themselves to be nothing but cheats, crooks, amoral greedmongers and assholes in general. Abraham Lincoln would condemn what has become of the party he helped into existence some 150 plus odd years ago............JD
That's nice that McCain is going after the Black support. Now for those who question that statement go and see Brother Sam Brownback's high school photo with the best Afro I've ever seen. No wig it's a real thing and my sister's Afro wasn't that good. Looks like the DNA says it all it's called the third generation. Yes in Brother Sam's roots his family quickly moved from the South now we know why. Oh how history always comes out. To bad Brother Sam didn't allow his supporters to know his family roots. Mitt's Dad was born in Mexico and never became an American Citizen but he did become Governor and ran for President. When you look up the family history of these candidates it's an eye opener.
RayC @ 62:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for saying it.
Sorry for the ignorance but what is MSM?
Rose @ 6:
I'm terrified. I refuse to vote for anyone who keeps throwing their religion in my face. This is suppose to be a secular country not a theocracy.
bobnchristy @ 68:
They ain't heroes in my eyes. They are suckers fooled into doing the oil companies bidding. Since you think of them as heroes, how often you go to the VA and visit them? Take any to dinner lately? Watch any of their kids so mom could have a day off? Have you done anything to help any of them? They will learn, as most vietnam vets did after they came home, no one gives a shit about them. If we were fighting an honorable war, for a just cause, they would be heroes to me. Iraq is hardly either, so they are chumps, fighting a war for the presidents pleasure...
fwacbar @ 70:
You didn't answer my question. What is MSM?
Anyway. I'm sorry you think that way.
Holy shit - literally
My jesus is better than your jesus.....oh please...
Words fail me when I think of these faux 'christian' republicans.
An acquaintance asked me to describe Huckabee the other day, and the best I could come up with was:
'An enigma, wrapped in a figment, with a YooHoo jammed up his ass'.
bobnchristy @ 71: asked:
You didn't answer my question. What is MSM?
Main stream media - as opposed to Fox News or Air America which both advocate for a point of view. More and more people, myself included, feel the MSM has been tilting far to the right to try to disprove the constant chant from conservatives that they, the media, are liberal. It is also likely that corporate is dictating content to the news divisions to please advertisers and big stockholders.
wisedup @ 73:
Hardly comes close to how some of the religious nuts think. More like, "God loves me way more than he loves you and if it wasn't for your fucking ass being on this earth, god would come down and reward me himself. But it is your fault he doesn't so you should die". That seems a little closer in my experience...
fwacbar @ 70:
Not that its any of your business but I am a Viet Nam vet and I go to the VA hospital all the time. You are the one that sounds like you dont give a shit about them. MSM = Main Stream Media
RayC @ 77:
Lookie @ 53:
Oh, just so you know i didn't make that panties in a bunch remark. i wouldn't belittle you for your opinion. belittling is a tool of the ignorant or those who are trying to make themselves feel smart but who can't handle honest open discussion.
I agree with about McCain, best one on the right (except Ron Paul). I would vote McCain over Hillary any day. I don't trust her to do any of the things i want done either, or revoke the new presidential powers. I have no problem with McCain on the war. I remember way back in the day him standing in Iraq voicing his concerns about how the war was being run. Actually, he was the first politician i ever heard criticize it and give a counter story to the Bush line. Before any democrat i know of did. I'm against the shit out of this war, but I don't know what to do. If i was president, i would pull out immediatly, but if someone else has a different idea, like McCain does, than i, as a voter, am open to at least listen. I also have no particular problem with him trying to unite his party behind him.
Now, Romney.... Romney scares the SHIT out of me. More than Huckabee does. And religion has nothing to do with it. I agree, why waste energy attacking McCain, when at least he has some impressive resume of success and co-operation. And is ADAMANTLY against torture, whereas Romney wants to "double" guantanamo. Romeny would be like an efficient version of Bush... scary.
Nicole Belle @ 55:
Respect. I'm not saying McCain would stop the neocons. Let me clarify, I'm just not 100% sure that he's in with them (where as the rest are, with exception of Ron Paul, and, possibly, Huckabee). The neocons hated him a long, long time.
Upon your advise I actually did take a look at his voting record. I noticed campaign finance reform stuff, some abortion stuff (which i believe is a pandering vote) but upon my brief glance through it all i didn't find anything particularly shocking (in comparison with the other Republican candidates)... that'd be rad if showed me which votes you had a real problem with as to, perhaps, sway me more to your side. I'd love to hear it. I mean, i know he's conservative, so I'm not shocked by anything I saw there, so far i stand by my original statement: McCain is by far the best Republican candidate after Ron Paul.
dfggs @ 60:
well that's actually hilarious. good for him.
Um, do some research there Davey, Christians are notorious for posing their will upon others. Then making them wrong for not believing the way they do. Most Christians don't even know their history of the murderous behavior of Christians. Hell just speak out against one and you will be judged, then slandered and of course accused of being a blasphemer for not speaking of God the way they do....... Pretty ignorant if you ask me, when someone says they are a Christian, I think what are they hiding....
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QuakerDave Says:
Well, if they all wanted to act more “Christianly,” they could all start with sticking to that whole “not bearing false witness” thing. And the one about not killing. Stuff like that.
curtilingus @ 51:
The old Congress was chock full of that. Welcome back to 18th Century America, boys and girls!
CafeenMan @ 19:
I think he made the endorsement in Las Vegas. -:)
I don't think people give a shit about religion this time around. I think people figured out that they were duped and they are ready to vote on real actual issues.
I used to have a lot of respect for McCain. Perhaps that was spill-over from the respect I have for him having been one of the troops, prisoner of war, etc. But there used to be the "Straight talk express" which really meant that back then, we had a Republican NOT blatantly pandering to his base. But now I think I see the real McCain. There was no straight anything. There was only saying whatever it took to get people to take notice and perhaps vote his way.
McCain also made a deal with Gary Baur to get his endorsement in 2000. Wonder if those two still have lunch together.
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