Pakistani Government Backpedals On Bhutto Cause Of Death
Via CNN:
Pakistan's Interior Ministry backtracked Tuesday on its statement that Benazir Bhutto died because she hit her head on a sunroof latch during a shooting and bomb attack.
The government also published a reward offer in several national newspapers to anyone who could identify two suspects from the killing.
Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema told CNN the ministry will wait for the findings from forensic investigators before making a conclusion about her cause of death.
Cheema said he based his statement Friday about the sunroof latch "on the initial investigations and the reports by the medical doctors" who treated her at Rawalpindi General Hospital. Read on...
I won't begin to offer a theory or explanation, but it is significant that the Pakistani government has made this move. The release of the latest video of Bhutto's assassination has raised many more questions and it appears that pressure from the international community and media, as well as from Bhutto supporters has put the Pakistani Interior Ministry back on its heels.
What a bunch of 1/2 witts to put out a statement so retarded about her cause of death.
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Again, this newest video DOES NOT contradict the gov'ts version of events.
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The implosion of Pakistan draws nigh......
and with it, a war that will make Neocon war strategy even more transparently bullshit.
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Here is a PICTURE OF THE LEVERS ON THE SUNROOF which were directly in the path of Bhutto's head as she lunged to the right (as everyone else did) and when the explosion went off (to her left).
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STOP George @ 2:
Hey George your silly statement would be more believable if the font size of "DOES NOT" was BIGGER, NOT.
One of the guys in the pic looks American. I'd be shocked./sarcasm off now
Bhutto Report: Musharraf Planned to Fix Elections
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Safraz Khan Lashari, a member of the Pakistan People’s Party election monitoring unit, said the report was “very sensitive” and that the party wanted to initially share it with trusted American politicians rather than the Bush administration, which is seen here as strongly backing Musharraf.
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Pinosharraf thinks he's a king and doesn't owe the subjects an explaination about anything
Wow, a lying ruthless untrustworthy government with absolutely zero credibility worldwide. The U.S. should "plead the fifth" from any comment.
What number were we supposed to call? Because I think that first guy works at the Mighty Mart a couple of blocks from my place.
her assasination was/is a black flag op in order to place the blame on al quaida, who have never used political assasinations to further their goals
is the world so blind to believe the story put out by the musharaff gov??
christ, the woman's father was assasinated in a coup
we are all so fucked.....happy new year
Its a scientology plot... anyone can see that it's Tom Cruise
Killed by sniper, and more than 50-50 a U.S. shooter. All with Musharaf's permission.
She was no saint -- not a feminist, not a believer in democracy, corrupt, elite, and bigoted.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 11:
Not correct. He was A MEMBER OF A COUP, later hanged after trial for killing political opponents (i.e., a murderer).
STOP George @ 4:
STOP George @ 4:
give it up George...they retracted the original story...you lose by default
Pakistan's Interior Ministry - now seeming to be like a little kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Wonder if that "champion of democracy" dictator Musharaf feels the same way? Wonder if bush also has a bit of a queasy feeling at this time?
What has bush wrought in the Middle East? He really does seem to be bent on setting up the world for the christianist rapture.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 11:
It's called a "false flag" operation. Not black flag unless they were trying to kill a roach, which is debatable!
Something very fishy about all this and as usual we'll probably never know what.
It shouldn't be long before Fox News claims these were the two guys on the ferry in Seattle.
Paul in LA @ 13:
And much of that is glossed over in the rush to claim she is a martyr.
So. When is everyone going to blame Clinton?
I am baffled by a few aspects of Benazir's Bhutto's death...
1. If it was just an accident, how come al-Qaeda caused it? How did al-Qaeda make her inadvertently conk her head on a sunroof lever?
2. Why would al-Qaeda choose to cause Ms Bhutto's accidental death, when she is on the same side they are (i.e., anti-Bush and hence liberal, anti-freedom and pro-evil)?
3. How did the terrorists who caused Ms Bhutto's accidental death even get out of Iraq in the first place? If I am not mistaken, the world's terrorists, especially al-Qaeda, are holed up in the Baghdad area. These few remaining terrorists are completely surrounded by Coalition of the Willing forces who are hitting the bad guys hard with a Surge!
Musharraf's been ripping us tax payers off for billions no surprise there.
Timothy Horrigan @ 22:
Musharraf makes Saddam look wholesome and honest. He's so two faced it's ludicrous. Taking our money and military aid while slapping fives with Osama and AQ. Rumor has it Osama died in a Pakistani Hospital from Kidney failure. Which wouldn't surprise me. Especially with Musharraf running the show. There was a PBS special that blew the cover right off this guy. And his thugs.
With the explosion of cheap hand-held video cameras, cell phone cameras and closed-circuit security cameras, you can count on the fact that, if you do a bad thing in a public place, you will be caught on tape. Attempts to cover up the true nature of the crime will be fruitless. If the Kennedy assassination happened today, there would be a plethora of Zapruder films from every angle, including the Grassy Knoll, and hundreds of conspiracy theorists would have been put out of business. However, Fox would increase its business by starting an entire Kennedy Assassination Channel and would run the tapes "24"-7.
It is a rather insignificant point if she hit the levers since she was shot twice before the explosion. One of these shots was to her neck.
I hate Musharraf too, but why would anyone play ball with the U.S.? Your country would immediately turn on you just by association. Face it, the U.S. is white hot with the rest of the world when it comes to hatred and respect.
What? The death by sun roof latch isn't holding water? Imagine.
Jo @ 21:
Can't blame Clinton, but his "experienced" wife and current Dem. leadership candidate actually thought that Mushy was on the election ballot in Pakistan, facing Bhutto. Um, wrongo. And why hasn't the media covered this at all?
In fact, Musharraf was reelected to the presidency in October. The upcoming elections are for parliament, and while Musharraf's party will be facing off against opposition parties, the president himself is not a candidate.
"He will NOT be on the ballot," said a Pakistan scholar at Columbia University, Philip Oldenburg, in an e-mail. "These are parliamentary elections, where the contests are for a seat in the national assembly.
The prime ministerial candidate typically fights for victory in a local constituency, as well as lead[ing] the party in a national campaign."
A spokesman for Clinton, Howard Wolfson, said Clinton was referring to Musharraf's party, not the president himself.
And Oldenburg said that "how well the PML-Q, the so-called 'King's Party,' does would in effect be a referendum on Musharraf."
But Clinton's words appear unambiguously to describe Musharraf himself as a candidate.
"If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow," she told CNN's Wolf Blitzer (.pdf) Dec. 28.
"He could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election," she told ABC's George Stephanopolous December 30.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_errs_on_Pakistan_.html
Timothy Horrigan @ 22:
An expert (and amusing) sleuth. It is funny how her accidental death (caused by Al Qaeda !?!) coincided with three gunshots and a suicide bomb explosion, but they can not be considered as part of the cause of her death. It's a simple slipping accident; could happen to anyone; even while washing your car.
"A Philippine government spokesman for Ferdinand Marcos today acknowledged that Benito Aquino did not snap his neck after suffering a nasty fall while disembarking the plane that returned him to the Phillipines, but was instead shot-and-killed at point blank range by an unknown assassin".
If you look closely in the picture you will see a blood splatter way over on the edge of the roof on the roof rack. Anyone else see this? She must have really hit her head hard on that sunroof handle to get blood way over there.
milquetoast @ 15:
no conspiracy here. nytimes yesterday showed medical report to experts here and they also concluded death caused by skull fracture. bullet might have missed and shock wave from explosion caused her to hit something. does not matter anyway.
Yet another victim killed by a car.
When will we ever learn and ban these things for good?
The Pakistani Government's "Duck and Hit her Head" theory has been crushed. I wonder what other theories Cheney, Rove, and Musharraf will cook up?
RIP Bhutto. She was the most democractic-favored candidate to be the next PM of Pakistan.
curtilingus @ 34:
LOL! If cars are banned, we'll blame accidential death by bicycle handlebars.
John @ 33:
Except that she fell before the explosion occurred.
back, and to the left. Back, and to the left.
Otay @ 37:
does not prove any thing. shots and explosion happened within a second. At the time of explosion, her head would be aligned with lever inside car while she was ducking.
It's much better to believe the lie as Americans believed the magic bullet that killed JFK. Now anyone with a brain could see Mrs. Bhutto was shot, how she fell isn't the point. Now the doctors and the woman who were in the hospital with her all said she was shot in the neck. Musharraf did his best to make up a lie but he just got busted. Now for those who still see the facts but believe the lie well nothing will change with them. We now have candidates running for President who don't know any thing about Foreign Policy and one candidate who doesn't even know where Pakistan is. John Edwards said he called and left a message, like they know who Edwards is. Hillary has known Mrs. Bhutto and others in the Middle East for over 12 years but Americans don't think that's important. Republican candidates are just clue less and really don't care. Yes Pakistan has Nuclear Weapons that the Bush Administration allowed them to test the weapons. Now Americans will have to choose a President is qualified to handle Foreign Affairs or pick one of those who are clue less. If the American people pick anyone but Hillary, I suggest Americans learn the Arabic language quick because it's just a matter of time as the Saudis have given the US loans and has brought US land. As we see the Gulf States have all ready formed a Common Market and given Federal employees a 70 per cent increase in pay. I know US Federal employees don't want to hear this story. But the Bush Administration did help make these 5 State very Wealthy with US taxpayers money. What a new Year.
abarts @ 38:
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Otay @ 41:
Kevin Costner in "JFK"
Here is the story;
1. Musharref was brought in to be a puppet of the New World Order.
2. Musharref pulled a Putin and decided to collaborate with the Islamists in order to keep power and to keep Pakistan outof the hands of the New World Order.
3. "Our" government figured this out and decided to force Bhutto on Musharref, then have Mushie killed a little later, restoring New World Order control over Pakistan.
4. Musharref sensed (as does Putin, China, Europe, and India) that the US is a paper tiger, and basically told CENTCOM commanders to fuck off, declared martial law, and had Bhutto killed.
5. You are here.
Otay @ 37:
so falling should be banned!
John @ 39:
Except she wasn't ducking. She was thrown onto the car roof to the right. I suppose it is possible she fell onto the lever, but not likely.
King of Kings @ 43:
As clear as it gets!
No doubt the US forced bhutto on Mushy.
Very little doubt she had no protection whatsoever.
No doubt mushy was ready for the moment of her death.
- postponed elections
- martial law/curfews/etc.
no doubt CNN is expressing the gubmint displeasure with mushy.(pretense)
no doubt that MIC interests are cashing in with the sale of jets to mushy.
lesson: money trumps anything, including gubmint, especially when everyone involved is corrupt.
I think the sunroof lever was possessed by Satan. It used the confusion to jump off of the panel, whack her upside the head, then return to the sunroof. Has anyone thought of prosecuting the lever with the crime?
the blog burped as erased my info. did this happen to anyone else? this usually happens when the censors are wiping someone out, I believe.
OK, who pissed them off?!
[I have been having problems with some functions I use. I did not delete you, but then I believe there are a couple of us, at least, working right now-Sitemonitor]
whether by bullet by bomb or by sunroof
the effect is the same
misinformation only fuzzes the intended consequences
the end is achieved regardless of the means
delay
defuse
distract
distort
retain control
status quo is maintained
how much force would it take to crack her skull sufficient to lose enough blood and die before treatment?
She fell how far?
maybe 12" to 16" from a seat cushion to the floor of the vehicle
the fall occurred before the bomb so we are talking gravity here
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b @ 50:
Is someone saying she died from falling to the floor of her car?!
abarts @ 42:
Thanks!
Otay @ 52:
LOL!
It was Oswald, I tell you, an angry lone nut, from the grassy knoll, back there behind the picket fence, wearing shades.
No.43, I believe that Bhutto wanted democracy rather than Musharef's U.S. based dictatorship. Bhutto may have crossed the U.S. govt., due to her close connection with U.K or double crossed - as she clearly reveals Bush's best kept secret about OBL. I am sure Bush must have had his bad day where he no longer could threaten the American populace with the fake news and a boogey-man as so often Wolf Blitzer and Fox News love to terrorize the people.
The Pakistani govt. has to be brave and reveal the truth to the American people. It is the American media that has protected them so far. I have no doubt that deep inside Musharef hates Bush. How about creating this as a headline?
I just watched Logan in Pakistan. Hope she is safe.
I have no doubt that the American media pressure today caused the Pakistan Interior Minister and of course others involved to backtrack the shooting.
Keep it going, C&L.
abarts @ 42:
I thought it was Keith Hernandez, Newman and Kramer in the "Second Spitter" episode of Seinfeld!
CoIntelPro @ 46:
I doubt it that anyone told her what to do. She sound like a strong-willed woman who made her own decisions. Mushy did it upon himself to watch his country spiral downwards. When she heard the country is in chaos, she stood up and vow to save her country, dead or alive. You must admire the strong wills of this woman. Very few women in this world could stood up and give a good fight as she did.
b @ 50:
If she was five inches shorter, then her head would hit the side of the sunroof. Darn it! Her head was too large, an easy target for Mushy's terrorists. If you are a tall, Pakistani woman with a long face, then I suggest to cover your face with some cushions! Mushy might mistaken you for Benazir Bhutto and shot ya.
rage @ 53:
Oh. Case closed. JFK was assasinated by a gnome.
milquetoast @ 15:
Did they say that the cause of death WASN'T a skull fracture caused by the lever? No. They simply said that further investigation is needed.
Now, don't get your feathers all in a ruffle for goodness sakes. I'm as skeptical as any. But the latest video does not contradict the original story.
Does it warrant further investigation -- absolutely.
But the video is not the smoking gun.
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Otay @ 37:
Yes. Absolutely. Her head was probably in just the right place when the explosion was set off -- causing a more forceful impact.
Why is this so hard to fathom?
Regardless, it makes no difference to the case at all.
DO AN AUTOPSY.
Otay @ 45:
Looked like she was reacting the exact same way everyone in that video surrounding her was reacting. They ALL lunged down and to the right. Unfortunately, the sunroof lever was in the path of her head.
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STOP George @ 62:
That and the bullets.
Paul in LA @ 63:
That, the bullets AND the force of the explosion.
Whether any of the bullets actually made contact with her skull has still not been proven.
Whether her skull made contact with the lever forcefully enough to fracture her skull is not inconceivable.
The video does not conclusively give us the direct cause of death either way.
The point is -- the "skull fracture by blunt object impact with the aid of an explosion" is as plausible as any theory at this point.
This explanation by the government, by itself, is not give us reason to distrust them. By all means, distrust them. I certainly do. But their explanation about how Bhutto died should not be regarded as an act of deception after watching this video.
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emerald @ 26:
It might seem insignificant to us, but the cause of death is not insignificant to Muslims. If she died an accidental death, no matter how "technical" the explanation, she cannot be considered a martyr. This point is very significant to Muslims. It is in Musharef's interest to make sure that she isn't martyred.
b @ 49:
The cause of death makes a great deal of difference to the people of Pakistan. See #65. This really shouldn't be a pedantic discussion about cause of death. It shouldn't be grist for conspiracy theories like those surrounding JFKs death. Mushy has a lot to gain by calling this death an accidental one. In this case, the cause of death really matters.
Just ask Bush what the hell went wrong, if he dares to ever tell the dame truth.
Hype-Jersey @ 65:
She was assassinated. Period. That much we know. She died during an attack directed at her. She is a martyr no matter what the technical "cause" of death is determined to be.
Indeed the minister of the interior has already said that her head was impacted hard against the lever due to the "force of the explosion" from the suicide bomber.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 67:
Bush can't even chew a pretzel. He doesn't know anything.
STOP George @ 64:
Yes, that and the bullets.
They tried to blow her up once before. It's an imprecise method. The correct way to do it is the way they did it -- with a sniper (probably US) and a street-level attack to cover the actual hit.
It's not like this story changes.
Bushco doesn't want democracy in Pakistan -- they want their pipelines to be unimpaired by such problems.
Paul in LA @ 70:
Cover up the actual hit? 3 shots were fired. Everyone heard them and everyone knew this before the Musharref gov't even uttered one word. And the Ministry of the Interior didn't try to cover up the fact that there was a sniper.
You won't get any argument from me that the U.S. may have been behind this hit etc., but the Musharref "official story" being proven a deception is flat out WRONG.
Having a sniper in the crowd (where everyone can hear him and see him) is pretty damn stupid if they wanted to "cover it up", IMO.
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And here is a CLOSE-UP OF THE SNIPER (* WARNING * - Very Graphic) that the Musharref gov't has posted to help identify him.
Cover-up? Come on, Paul in LA @ 70!
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Paul in LA @ 13:
sniper???? guess you missed the vid of the dude with the pistol who walked right up to the car....and demean her as much as you wish, the current leader is even less than a saint
and funny, i thought that her father's trial was a kangaroo court engineered by zia....guess i was wrong
when did the pakistani gov start paying your salary?
STOP George @ 64:
ya, so i guess the initial autopsy report that showed bullet wounds was planted by the truther movement
what is wrong with you people???
musharif had her assasinated...why is that so hard to comprehend?
i am amazed that even after watching the vid, which shows she fell down, not up into the sun roof, there are still so many that are willing to buy into the pakistani govs second claims of what caused her death
And thank you Mr. Bush and Ms. Rice, for being so proactive about pressuring Musharaff to provide the security Ms. Bhutto desperately needed.
Identifying the culprits?
Simple. Just go to the CIA website that posts all the bio-ident metrics on their agents, and scan until you get the match(s).
uncle joe mccarthy @ 74:
Please show me a reference where there was an "autopsy" done on her.
And what is wrong with YOU? I never said tha she wasn't assassinated by the Musharref gov't. However the "cause" of death (skull fracture by protruding metal lever) has not been contradicted with any evidence so far.
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uncle joe mccarthy @ 75:
What are you talking about?!
She was ABOVE the sunroof doors before she fell.
Her head clearly moves into the latch area in the video (right at the time the explosion occurs).
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The only people who believe the "government version" are people who want to believe it.
Publicus @ 80:
That's good logic.
Facts be damned.
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uncle joe mccarthy @ 75:
Not sure what you are saying. Only William "The Bloody" Kristol falls up.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 73 "sniper???? guess you missed the vid of the dude with the pistol who walked right up to the car..."
It doesn't matter how many attackers there were, the sniper is the one who does the actual kill. This is not some kind of new method.
"demean her as much as you wish, the current leader is even less than a saint"
I wasn't 'demeaning her,' I continue to point out that she was in fact hugely corrupt, a believer in sharia, an elite, who was lured back into Pak. politics over $1.2 billion in frozen Swiss funds.
" i thought that her father's trial was a kangaroo court engineered by zia....guess i was wrong"
Her father was a member of a coup and killed his political enemies, over which he was hanged.
"when did the pakistani gov start paying your salary?"
About the same time you started having sex with goats.
STOP George @ 68:
You are incorrect. Although *you* and *I* might consider it an assassination either way, that is not the way people in the Muslim world see it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/bhutto.death/
Hype-Jersey @ 84:
Hmm...the only person who is quoted as advocating this idea in that piece you linked to is a CNN analyst by the name of Ken Robinson.
I have not seen this "cause of death" being crucial to her legacy anywhere else. Tell me something, if Bhutto fell of the balcony of a 15th story apartment building after an assassin tried to stab her and missed -- would that be an assassination? Would she be less of a Martyr then?
Give me a freakin' break!
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