Bhutto Was To Give Kennedy, Specter Proof Of Election Rigging Before Assassination
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Jan 01, 2008 12:29pm
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Tuesday on The Situation Room, Wolf Blitzer spoke with CNN's Brian Todd about a secret file that Benazir Bhutto was to hand over to Rep. Patrick Kennedy and Senator Arlen Specter before her assassination, which allegedly contained information showing Pakistani intelligence agencies were conspiring to rig the upcoming election. More from McClatchy: (h/t Nate)
Safraz Khan Lashari, a member of the Pakistan People's Party election monitoring unit, said the report was "very sensitive" and that the party wanted to initially share it with trusted American politicians rather than the Bush administration, which is seen here as strongly backing Musharraf.
"It was compiled from sources within the (intelligence) services who were working directly with Benazir Bhutto," Lashari said, speaking Monday at Bhutto's house in her ancestral village of Naudero, where her husband and children continued to mourn her death. Read on...
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ISI = CIA
OT, but important -
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negativnein @ 1:
ISI=CIA=SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion)
She trusted Arlen Spectre?
Diebold has a Pakistani subsidiary?
Diebold - Because elections are too important to leave to chance.
Well, don't worry -- the full facts'll come out, since Musharraf Promises a Full Investigation of … Sunroofs!
She trusted Arlen Spectre? Good point. Now is the participation of Scotland Yard in the investigation of her death a good thing for Musharraf or for the truth? I mean, is Scotland Yard dependable? Oh well, at least it's not MI6.
Maybe somebody should give Specter and Kennedy the "proof of election rigging" going on right here in the U.S. of A. - Legal voters thrown off rolls.
Did anyone really think that Bush Co. was advancing a democratic agenda in Pakistan? It's "support" of Bhutto was clearly a cover for its three objectives:
1. Continue to stoke the illusion that the people who have taken away your Constitutional freedoms in the United States are actually interested in promoting democracy abroad.
2. Support Bhutto in order to get her back into Pakistan as evidence of the validity of objective #1 and as a bridge to accomplishing objective#3:
3. Kill her to eliminate the only reasonable alternative to Musharraf. Blame Islamic extremists in order to make Pervez look like a good guy.
This woman was a promise for democracy and a threat to the Establishment.
In the way of other promising leaders, aka JFK, MLK, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers and Bobby Kennedy, Benazir Bhutto had to go.
Either people are going to get mad as hell and take the risk of changing things, or get scared and do nothing. I might as well go out fighting, than laying down because I'm afraid I'll get hurt or worse, killed for my beliefs. That's why the Civil Rights movement went in the toilet after MLK was assassinated - Jesse Jackson saw that shyt and it all became about self-preservation after that.
A damned shame because we need for people more afraid to live in a dictatorship than too scared to fight against those who would take this country into a facist government. If that makes any sense.
If she trusted Spector to do anything, she signed her own death warrant right there.
Spector - he of the JFK "Magic Bullet theory..." who connived to fool the whole country that a wingnut named Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK alone.
If Oliver Stone's movie wasn't coming so close to the truth, why did most of DC get their panties in a bunch and got caught with their slips showing?
Yep. back to business as usual in Pakistan.
The Political Junkie @ 9:
You do know who Bhutto was, right? She was no saviour for Pakistan's democracy.
Now the World Leaders know even Mrs. Bhutto didn't trust the Bush Administration. She was contacted by Connie Rice and was asked to return to Pakistan with the full support of the United States. We see that word met nothing as even when she asked for help they turned their backs. Karl Rove has lead by example of fixing elections and others have now followed. Yes Musharraf pre printed ballots just enough to win, as Karl fixed voting machines just enough for Bush to win. Now Africa has taken up the US policy of fixing elections. Look the American people knew Gore had won and Bush had cheated but did nothing about it. So Karl was right to do it the second time and it worked again. Americans believe even if a person cheats he should still hold the office so he can cheat again.
someone should have mentioned to bhutto that the US congress is NOT the institution to hand over damning information about elections and corruptions even for american elections, let alone pakistani.
oh yeah, this was definitely a state-sanctioned assasination.
I wonder if Katherine Harris' fingerprints were on the gun...
Didnt Bush conspire to cheat voters our of GOREs win in florida
It is WEIRD to see the names "Kennedy" and "Specter" in the same sentence about an assassination.
Wow.
Forgive me if this sounds naive, but couldn't her son or husband turn over the evidence now?
What an irony, isn't it.
(cell phone call)
Specter: The lady got the proof. I repeat, the lady got the proof. We are about to get actual documented proof.
CIA/ISI: Can you relive the past again, Arlen? It won't be pretty but you have been a good servant of ours.
Specter: What the hell. I'm with a buddy tough, you know, don't you. It's a kinda awkward situation you're putting me in here.
Geezus f*****g Christ. Out of all the "good" Americans...
House Assassinations Committee investigator Gaeton Fonzi discusses the problems with Arlen Specter's theory.
CIA = ISI true but CIA + ISI = "Al Quadea"
and that talking head says AQ has NOTHING to do with mushareff's gov't? hello?
Leg @ 3:
Leg @ 3:
No kidding.....Arlen's cancer was rumored to be destroyed by the snake poison that runs thru his blood.
and the support for dictators continues....if Pakistan nukes India or our troops in Afghanistan we can then ask the same question again "Why do they hate us?"
of course.....
it will be because Pakistan is a Muslim nation and they are all tewwowists, not because we try to destroy Democracy any change we get.
Slothrop @ 17:
wait for it.... waaaiiiiitt.....
spectre then goes on to theorize about the magic bullet that killed bhutto
Don Davis @ 5:
HA, it will have such fruitful findings as the Iraq Pre-War Intelligence or the 9-11 Investigation.....
maybe Bill Maher can go off on his rant again about how a bunch of punk kids are wrong and there is no such thing as a govt conspiracy.....
When the eff can we move to Mars?
I'm with pissed off patricia. What's stopping them from turning it over now?
Weird.
They are trying to say that Bhuttos husband denied the autopsy... it seems all to convenient. Next they will finally "have an investigation" and then jail or execute her husband... all so nice and tidy... no more evidence.... no more witnesses to the killing or what was behind the killing....
Kennedy and Spector? That's so wierd. She was shot just like Kennedy, and Spector came up with the magic bullet theory.
I can't help but feel, and fear, that this is all just a warm up for here.
I havent had a chance to watch it yet since my sound card is kaputz at home and no videos at work, but I came across a video on youtube, of a couple years ago I believe, of Bhutto saying that Bin Laden had been killed; from the comments it sounded as though she said it matter-of-factly as though it was common knowledge to everyone but us. Has anyone seen this video and care to make a comment on it for me?
Oh, and how is the investigation for the anthrax mailers going? Last I heard the strain of anthrax used was traced back to a US Govt. lab. Funny how it only went to "enemy appeasing" Libs and Dems eh?Not the actual people, "hunting the terrerrists"?
The say the best place to really hide something is right out in the open, in plain sight. I have no doubt that CIA=Al Quadea.
OT but oil is over $100 a barrel
"Its the end of the world as we know it - and I feel fine!" :(
According to Bush, election rigging proves that Pakistan is a democracy.
Tuesday on The Situation Room, Wolf Blitzer spoke with CNN’s Brian Todd about a secret file that Benazir Bhutto was to hand over to Rep. Patrick Kennedy and Senator Arlen Specter before her assassination, which allegedly contained information showing Pakistani intelligence agencies were conspiring to rig the upcoming election.
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Interesting, but by no means surprising. Anyone who's been paying attention could have told you that the election has almost certainly been rigged and that Musharraf is almost certainly hiding something with regard to the assassination of Bhutto. Based on what I've read, the Chief Justice in Pakistan has the power and the authority to either certify or nullify election results...and considering that the Chief Justice was one of the people whom Musharraf removed from office (and replaced with a personally-selected candidate, no less) during the recent invocation of "emergency powers", it's not at all difficult to start thinking that this is quite possibly precisely why martial law was declared...to concoct a plausible excuse for making the changes which would throw the election in his favor. The fact that the Musharraf government also keeps changing the story concerning how Bhutto died is also highly suspect as well. At least in my own experience, someone who keeps changing their story is practically wearing a flashing neon sign saying "LIAR". There's no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Musharraf government played some role in her assassination, either directly or indirectly -- after all, he's the one who stands to gain the most benefit from her death.
Pinosharraf needs to resign. His banana republicanism knows no bounds
RagingGurrl @ 2:
I called. Thanks for the opportunity to take action and actually do something. I appreciate it. Here are some antiwar activists at a recent meeting with Congressman Henry Waxman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei_hJdwkxY I agree with the poster who mentioned Medgar Evers that we might as well go down with a fight. I hope more people start contacting our elected officials. Peace.
Hopefully some day the people will know the truth.
...When Intelligence is not being cooked by crooks and neocons.
Other areas to watch carefully...
Bush's Africa Command (AFRICOM) policies and the propping up of other dictators.
Orangutan -
You are welcome. I hope they don't get arrested...
What the heck is going on, when citizens have to take such an action to get noticed by our own reps?
All these alternative theories about what happened to Butto just hijack threads. Please just stick to the official story. It's the only reality we can handle.
um, did they kill EVERYONE else who had the information she was going to "reveal"? if not, that inside information is still obtainable and would probably still get out. killing Bhutto wouldn't necessarily have prevented that info from getting out, which makes the whole thing sound like a made-up controversy.
similarly, why would the govt. knowingly lie about what killed Bhutto? the only reason i heard is that they didn't want to say it was a gunshot wound because they didn't want to be blamed for letting someone get that close to her with a gun. well, the guy DID get that close to her with a gun, and DID shoot the shots, that much is undisputed, so WHY WOULD IT MATTER whether or not she was actually killed by the gun or by the bomb or by the door handle? it wouldn't affect the govt's failure in any sense, which makes it unlikely that they would bother to lie about it.
i'm not saying they were right about the cause of death, i'm not even saying they didn't lie, i'm just asking what they would have hoped to gain by lying?
What the heck was Benazir Bhutto doing with evidence of election fraud??
Oh, in Pakistan! I thought the headline referred to American elections...
I dont think anyone expects Pakistani elections to be honest - this doesnt mean a thing.
She did however state clearly that Osama bin Laden was dead on Nov 2, 2007 and a little over a month later she was murdered.
Who knows why really. But it probably wasnt because she threatened to tell the world something they already knew.
In case you hadnt noticed, Pakistan IS A DICTATORSHIP!
Elections? You must be kidding.
Leg @ 3:
Probably what got her killed! you think?
Sadly, as soon as she set foot in country, the die was cast.
Perhaps we are being mislead by CNN? I know, eh?
Maybe, however, she had information of election rigging not only in Pakistan, but here in the States as well. Say someone told her something said between bff Bush and Musharraf?
A stretch? Yes, but not completely out the realm of possibilities either.
I don't think there is any doubt that Pakistan has the election rigged. Mushariff is a dictator, he isn't the slightest worried about losing power, because he will hold onto it with an iron fist. What Mushariff is worried about is the billions in aid that flow into the country. He wants to keep the money rolling in, and he is worried the Americans are going to start asking questions and require an audit to where the money went. Very little of the money has gone to security and I believe most of it has gone to pay for the lavish lifestyle of the Generals that hold over 90% of property and wealth in Pakistan.
Wow, if Bhutto really thought Arlen Spector was going to help her she may have been as out of touch with reality as GW Bush. Her assassination is so reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy's assassination. Both were on their way to change their respective countries from the status quo with a peace agenda, but the powers that be (aka:the status quo) saw the threat and took them out. Of course, the status quo remained in power after the tragedies. The right wing of almost every country in the world continues to dominate history through death and destruction of our best and brightest.
George & Karl have taught Mushy well.
Logan, there's a big difference between
Bhutto Was To Give Kennedy, Specter Proof Of Election Rigging Before Assassination
And
" ... which allegedly contained information showing ... "
if you're going to mock journalists, then you better raise your standards a little.
from rawstory:
Pakistani Senator Latif Khosa told CBS, "The ISI has set up a mega-computer system which has the capacity to hack any of the computers in Pakistan, and it is connected with the Election Commission of Pakistan's computers and therefore they will overturn the results." Khosa also charged that computers are being used to change the voter rolls.
which impels us--i am referring to americans--to consider the state of OUR pseudo-democracy. switch 'ISI' with 'diebold', 'pakistan' with 'america' and you have the '08 election.
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
Unfortunately, you're absolutely right. I remember that when Musharraf first declared martial law and arrested Bhutto, I predicted (hoping I would be proven wrong) that she would die for some mysterious reason while in custody. There's no doubt in my mind that she was lured back into Pakistan under somewhat false pretenses with at least the hope that she would be assassinated.
Bhutto was by no means a saint, but you have to give her credit for this much -- she had a lot of courage. How many other people would be willing to return to the country where other family members have been assassinated with the full knowledge that a similar fate might well be awaiting them?
I'm betting the Pakistani government killed her.
She gave an interview to David Frost last November and said that one of the men she thought was out to kill her had murdered Osama Bin Laden! You can find it on youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg
She trusted Arlen Spectre and that meant she was heading straight to her grave. Spectre and Lieberman are wearing a mask and Bhutto didn't see that.
Great! It is a great lesson learned.
pissed off patricia @ 18:
Yes.
Could someone follow-up this story and ask Specter and Kennedy what's been turned over?
Spector is a double agent; he is and he was with the enemy and as well with Bush.
What has Spector got to do with Kennedy's assassination? Was he meddling then too?
cnn is not credible to me.
cnn - blitzer
repug - specter
exactly WHAT is supposed to make any of this credible?
hey, where's karl Rove been?
With the Diebold machines all over the world, we are soon going to have the world's best dictators as Bush's counterparts. We were trying hard to undermine communism in Russia and other parts of the world and yet Bush decided that he will have a democratic elected dictators to run the one world order show.
How clever of Ms. Bhutto to cough it up just before her demise!
all could have been easily avoided all that vehicle needed was a pope-mobile type box where she poked her head out -- ridiculous in this age to tempt fate - no way should she have been as exposed as she was --
senoritchy @ 58:
Hell yes, that was my thought exactly. She HAD to have known she was going to be gunned down/blown up. I felt certain of it as soon as she returned.
What proof did Bhutto have? Was the 5 Republican appointed Supreme Court justices and the CEO of Diebold in Pakistan?
I'm not the sort that enjoys dwelling on convoluted conspiracy theories, but something about this assassination irks me. It just seems really strange that a person opens fire on her with a firearm and that is followed by a suicide bombing. I could be wrong, but the scenario doesn't feel like your typical muslim extremist attack. Also, it's very convenient. Someone opens fire, and then there is a bombing which destroys much of the forensic evidence and creates enough chaos and confusion so that when the scene is cleared up with very little investigation being done, it doesn't seem particularly strange. It just seems to me that, if I wanted to assassinate someone in a scenario that takes them out and then severely muddles the evidence, this exact scenario would do the trick. It not only ruins alot of the evidence, but it also leaves room for plausible deniability later on. All you have to say is, "Gee, we just assumed it was a terrorist attack and wanted to get everything cleaned up to restore order." I'm not saying that terrorists wouldn't necessarily use a firearm in conjunction with a bombing for an assassination, but that just doesn't seem to be a strategy they employ all that often. Perhaps, this time, they did choose to do it that way. I just think the whole thing appears a little bit out of the ordinary.
Stupid story. This is what happens when you have incompetent journalists. Politicians in the Third world are always pulling these kind of stunts to score points against their opponents.
ConcernedCanuck @ 12:
A big HUH? to ConcernedCanuck.
Tequila @ 15:
Nah.... why break a nail? I think we will find Ann Coulter's fingerprints on the gun. She doesn't like other women stealing her thunder. She doesn't like women who are campaigned in democracy. You do realize she profits with the chaos created by Bush and the his little terrorists.
I think she made herself a martyr, personally.
Jake @ 65:
I am far from a Bible thumper but your comment reminded me of this:
John 15:13 “Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."
Yes, she was a martyr, pretty much self proclaimed at that. But a martyr needs someone to kill them, and that is what needs to be uncovered. I go with the CIA/ISI theory myself. Whe was too knowledgeable, open and uncorrupt to be allowed to win.
I think an important aside to this story is the fact that Bhutto went to Kennedy and Specter before the President of the United States because Bush is a Musharraf supporter. I think it is a good example of how the world sees Bush, an untrustworthy goon who could care less about things like democracy or people in general for that matter, so long as his personal interests are protected. Frankly, its pathetic.
Frank @ 67:
Frank,
Excellent point.
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