New York Times Defends Hiring William "The Bloody" - He's <i>Respected</i> & <i>Serious</i>
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Jan 01, 2008 11:04am
Via Editor & Publisher: (h/t The Huffington Post)
A day after the Huffington Post first reported it, The New York Times has announced that it has indeed hired conservative pundit, and Fox News analyst, Bill Kristol, as a new regular op-ed columnist.
Liberal bloggers had been up in arms over the move. Kristol said, in an interview with Politico.com, it gave him some pleasure to see their "heads explode." Kristol was perhaps the most influential pundit of all in promoting the U.S. invasion of Iraq and has strongly defended the move ever since.Times' editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal defended the move. Rosenthal told Politico.com shortly after the official announcement Saturday that he fails to understand “this weird fear of opposing views....We have views on our op-ed page that are as hawkish or more so than Bill....
“The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual — and somehow that’s a bad thing,” Rosenthal added. “How intolerant is that?” Read on...
This will do little to convince their readers that he didn't just make a huge mistake by hiring a pundit who has zero credibility and is one of the biggest hacks in all of wingnuttia. Mr. Rosenthal, it is not intolerant of the American people to want truth and accuracy from the supposed paper of record. It's not about having opposing viewpoints, it's that Kristol has been wrong on just about everything he's said for the past five years. Not a little wrong, but really, really wrong. But according to Rosenthal, he's really serious and gee, people really respect him. Well, I guess that makes up for all of the propaganda...war-mongering partisanship...hackery that Kristol has been given a national platform for already.
Maybe we should take a look back at the very serious and respectable prose of William "The Bloody" about his new employers:
Conservatives, populists, humorists, smart alecks, men and women of good will everywhere, including even a few Blue America types--in sum, a solid majority of our fellow citizens--are enjoying the misery of the New York Times. It is hard not to relish the sight of smugness shown up, pomposity punctured, and self-righteousness smashed.[..]
Even if (former Editor in Chief Howell) Raines were to go, everything we know about Sulzberger suggests his next pick would be no improvement. Fundamental regime change at the New York Times is not in the cards. Inspections and sanctions won't work. Even the French can't help. The Times is irredeemable. The question is whether a new newspaper of record will replace it.[..]
More important, this new paper would serve its readers by producing serious "news analysis" on the leading stories of the moment, not unintentionally comical meditations by disengaged semi-retired reporters.
Furthermore, this new paper wouldn't create in its own ranks a "culture of fear." Its reporters and editors would speak their minds among themselves, without concern that a minority viewpoint might cause them to lose favor. [..]
Finally, this new paper would have a culture of accountability without favoritism, and responsibility without defensiveness--the opposite of the current Times regime.
And how about this:
"I think it is an open question whether the Times itself should be prosecuted for this totally gratuitous revealing of an ongoing secret classified program that is part of the war on terror." [Fox News, 7/2/06]
"I think the Justice Department has an obligation to consider prosecution." [Fox News, 6/25/06]
And Rosenthal thinks we're the intolerant ones. Heh.
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Godwin alert!
Goebbels was "respected and serious", too.
well, this is the e-mail response I got when I complained about it:
Thank you for your e-mail concerning Bill Kristol. We appreciate your
interest and your taking the time to let us know how you feel.
Mr. Kristol's column will be appearing on the Op-Ed page, where we offer a range of diverse opinions -- often differing from our own editorial
opinions. Given that we are a news organization that believes in vibrant
political discourse, we have brought Mr. Kristol on board after a long and thoughtful search through the ranks of strong conservative voices.
Will you -- or will we -- agree with him? Probably not.very often . . . but that is the point of offering multiple views and providing intellectual
diversity. We hope the column will engender open debate and discussion in
the democratic tradition of newspapers. And we hope that you will continue to read and to express your views to us. We very much value your readership.
Sincerely,
Catherine Mathis
SVP, Corporate Communications
The New York Times Company
The best weapon against the times is your subscription. Unsubscribe!
[sorry to repeat my comment from the thread below, but it is more relevant here--especially given the letter in comment #2 arguing that the NY times wants to present multiple points of view]
Nobody has pointed out that the NY Times editorial pages are quickly becoming a subsidiary of the Weekly Standard. I find it hard to believe that hiring former Weekly Standard Editor William Kristol will provide a fresh point of view, when the NY Times ALREADY HAS former Weekly Standard Contributing editor, David Brooks!
Kristol's record of being VERY WRONG is now NYT's record. I laugh at them both.
Only a slithery little Zionist rat would join NYT after bashing it.
Respected..oh yeah by the dregs of the republican party and the corporate masters of the Media.
Serious..oh yeah when it comes to trying to spin his crap.
RIDICULOUS.
unreal....they obviously learned Nothing from all the debacles of recent years....maybe they should hire Judy Miller back...and Jayson Blair...hell- just go for it and hire Karl Rove...
First Rove, and now Guppy Mouth.
It's all part of the continuing plan of corporate media to force-feed the masses with twisted, disturbed propaganda originating from people who are military cowards and disingenuous.
Another reason we need a POTUS who will work to destroy corporate media by busting up the handful of monopolies that helped bring us a culture of terror.
Unsubscribe -- I did so, and the rep instantly understood my complaint (she knew who Bill Kristol was, and she realized it wasn't about money; I think they will realize their mistake when many long time subscribers leave them (I've been a 15 year subscriber). Email them at editorial@nytimes.com, with your thoughts, as well. Make sure to make the point that it's not that he's conservative, but that he's just been wrong on everything, and that they are pandering.
“The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual — and somehow that’s a bad thing,” Rosenthal added. “How intolerant is that?”
Because he's published by Fox News on Shiny Paper ?
The bottom line for the NY Times is that getting controversial people to appear in its pages brings in more readers and money too. It doesn't matter if their opinions are total lies; what matters to them is generating attention and readership.
This gives new meaning to the old catchphrase 'if it bleeds, it leads' -- !!!
It is just part of the corporate news mindset that there is NO obvious right or wrong, NO obvious truth no matter what our eyes and common sense tell us. The new modern news gathering dictates that there must always be an equally valid opposite viewpoint expressed, no matter how ridicules such view turns out to be. Not to worry. Mainstream print journalism will follow TV network news down the road once trod by the buggy whip makers, as "We the people" turn to our own use of the blogs and other internet tools to bring the world news as it really happens, not as some profit driven corporate overlord would have us believe it happened.
I guess the reichwing are just going to have to stop using the catchphrase "Liberal New York Times" -- if they are even able to (which I doubt).
Says it all:
From the Aug 31, 2003 episode of "Fox New Sunday" -
"Fox's Bill Kristol recommends war with North Korea"
Iraq was just starting to show signs of quagmire and Kristol was all ready to start the next war... this time against a country with nukes.
There really is something wrong with the people who run this country.
What is it that Rosenthal doesn't understand about "William Kristol: War Criminal"?
Rosenthal, at best, perceives Kristol as conservative editorialist who advocates for wars. In fact, Kristol is a reckless Machiavellian insider who played a major active role in creating a maniacal crusade that has directly resulted in the deaths of untold thousands of innocents.
BIG difference.
remember the NYT thought judy miller was a real reporter also .......
The NYT has seen from bush's behavior that 'i'll do it and too bad' works. Their complicity in the run up to the war is really more shameful than giving this jerk a weekly spout off. judith miller is the most disgraceful contribution the 'paper of record' made to the duping of america, and still there isn't really any accountability on that front. They haven't been nearly as sorry as they should be and had a lot of making up to do. With friedman, brooks and safire isn't there enough on the right. The most consistent gripe most who have protested this employment is the fact that he had been totally wrong in his perceptions and their consequences...and he still has a job.
Respected? He's not respected by anyone I respect. But hey, perhaps Murdoch won't have to buy the NYT after all, it'll just slowly fade away and then they'll be no big daily with any other view but theirs. Isn't that what the Right and Neocons are about anyway?
Unreal.
Of particular note - as some have already pointed out - is firstly, the fact Kristol rips the Times and then deems it fit to work for them without so much as batting an eye; secondly is the fact the Times page editor Rosenthal claims that the outrage over the hiring of Kristol is somehow a sign of intolerance in light of the fact that Kristol himself is quite possibly the most intolerant neo-con shill to ever walk the face of the earth. This post pretty much nails it.
Respected and serious...
Not factual or correct on any of his percieved opinions? Loke the Sunni, Shia and Kurds pop culture that they cannot get along?
Now when Cheney or anyone one the right whines about the liberal NY Times they will be shedding tears for that liberal Kristol..................
Wow.
After adding this yutz to Brooks, all they have to do is add Podhoretz.
Then publish strictly in Hebrew.
The NYT apparently thinks that it is respected and serious. Well, at least in Boner Ridge, Virginia - where I live, we know what to do with paper. Always keep a stack of it in the outhouse.
This just goes to show you that guys like Kristol are nothing more than media whores, and I know I am doing all whores a disservice by using that name. Both the media outlets and the pundits have no care about what is said in our national discourse. They only care about getting the money. Cause a little controversy, lose a couple of readers here, gain a few there, in the end increase the bottom line.
I can guarantee everyone out there that I don't believe that Kristol totally believes everything he says, just so long as what he says continues to get him a fat paycheck for not doing a whole lot.
Kill your subscription. I consider FOX news pure unadulterated bullshit and I don't watch the network, or it's local affiliate, for any reason. If they bring him on and their subscriber base drops, then they get what they paid for....
"Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it."
Al Cervik on Bill Kristol.
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I say, why not give the bankrupt conservative movement in this country all the rope it needs to hang itself? I say, put Kristol on the op-ed page of the NYT as a daily reminder of the type of thinking that has brought this country to its sorry state. What are we progressives worried about? That the American people will once again rally around another neo-con debacle? Not "bloody" likely.
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I'm serious too
I'm seriously appalled
I buried Paul
Serious Black
Tom (not Tom) @ 1:
I had the same reaction. Why not a column by Goebbels after WWII? There has to be a sleazy, cringe-inducing story behind the Times's hiring this worm. Goebbels may be a particularly apt analogy.
Charles Manson, respected by some, seen as deadly serious by many others.
NYT, would you hire Mr. Manson in the name of "Tolerance" or how about "Fair and Balanced"?
The Paris Business Review says that the Boycott of the NTY is going great!
When you start to sound like a liberal version of Bill O'Reilly it's time to rethink your opinions.
How can anyone call William Kristol a "respected conservative"? The man is a half-witted media clown. He offers the same type of divorced-from-reality partisan narrative as Ann Coulter. The only way he differs from her is in the way he packages it.
There *are* "serious conservatives" out there whose opinions I'd be interested to read. People who acknowledge reality, are well informed, but have arrived at different conclusions from my own. That's great-- I'd love to read that sort of opinion. But William Kristol is nothing close to that.
What's NTY, New Trannies for You?
a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual
Circular reasoning: the media want him, so he must be respectable, so the media want him.
Tom (not Tom) @ 1:
Needed repeating.
Mr. Kristol is "serious" like a terminal disease. Mr. Kristol is "respected" by corporatists, liars, fascists and war-mongering whores the planet over...
They can print his nonsense, I won't read it. I just hope they have a footnote indicating he is insane and an enabler of crimes against humanity.
I know this is off topic, but too important not to bring forward now. Just waiting for the excuse from the MSM that he had a heart attack.
www.worldreports.org
HENRY PAULSON HAS DIED AFTER BEING SHOT IN THE CHEST
TOP AIDE TO VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY SHOT DEAD AT CLOSE RANGE
Wednesday 2 January 2008 02:18
UPDATE, 5.00PM 2ND JANUARY 2007:
Site Monitor: Please do not post in all bold. I just did a quick check and there is no confirmation of this story anywhere except this unsubstantiated report. We do not want our threads hijacked by false news.
Sorry, this is off topic ..
I just heard Hartmann insult Kucinich on air by accusing him of 'ranting' about financing. Kucinich called him on it.
While I generally agree with his politics, I am beginning to see Hartmann as a bit of an ego monster and cant really broadly support him.
Last I checked there are ALOT of old school conservatives (Reagan and Goldwater types) that think Kristol is a dick head.
They may not have put it as "dick head" but that term seems to be implied more often than "serious" and "respected"
I dare NYT to get an endorsement from George Will, Pat Buchanan, or John Dean on hiring Kristol
I dare's 'em
Mr. Rosenthal, if by respect you mean I would piss on Wilhelm's Kristol's grave after eating a heaping plate of asparagus, then yeah, I respect him.
Kristol is "respected" by WHOM? Who can "respect" PNAC?? The NYT has lost its mind to say nothing of its liberal credentials. Oy veh.
How comforting that that "liberal bastion" of reporting, The New York Times, wants to infuriate liberal bloggers and appease the most reckless and stupid members of the political establishment. Seriously, when was the last time Kristol was right on anything? Guess the NYT felt obtuse and imperialist hawks were already underrepresented in its pages? Do they read their own paper? Or have they just donned the Mustache of Understanding?
I gotta say, I am so sick of this standard MSM response about "intolerance" or "if both sides are angry, we're probably doing our job." Right-wingers are always trying to game the ref, regardless of cause. For the most part, liberal bloggers want truth and accuracy. John Dickerson's been sharp enough to note the difference. One can be partisan and put accuracy first, while one can also be a partisan hack like Kristol and not. It's a pre-emptive dismissal of legitimate criticism. It's such BS, as if disliking Bush, Kristol and the rest of the gang was solely irrational, with no basis.
April fools must have stated early in 2008. For NYT to claim that Vampire Kristol is serious, intelligent and respected is like giving Bush the nobel peace prize.
Stop buying the New York Times, and they won't be able to pay the moron. Newspaper sales are already in the dumps, most of their $$ comes from advertising but only if they have readers.
I'm so sick of the librul NYT!
Apple @ 21:
Didn't NewsCorpse already buy the NYT?
Of course he should be called William the Bloody
That's what happens when you like to take it up the Hershey Route.
Again, he doesn't even qualify as village pundit. He is an advocate of the Vulcan neocon cabal. His whole purpose as "commenatator" is to support that ideology. He doesn't apoligize for it, nor will he ever write anything that doesn't jibe. Facts do not matter unless they support his propaganda. There is no progressive counterpoint at NYT. There are progressive writers and analysts sure; but they are responsible and tend to base their writing on reality. Bloody Kristol will feel no such restraints.
"...who is a serious, respected conservative _intellectual_..."
I don't think that word means what they think it means.
-QM
Andrew @ 42:
That website looks like complete horseshit. I agree, we need many additional credible confirmations of this story. Otherwise, it's just a fairy tale.
"Conservative intellectual" - the phrase needs to be distinguished from "neo-conservative intellectual."
A conservative intellectual is a reasonable and learned individual who has an understanding of economics, morality, ethics, Constitutional law, States Rights, and government policy.
A "neo-conservative intellectual" is a smug talking head hired to deliver propaganda points marketed out of "think tanks," regardless of the feasibility or plausibility of those talking points, their legality or Constitutionality, and without regard for history or any moral or ethical system.
Andrew @ 42:
Kristol is respected? By who? Other liars? Bill Kristol's commentary on any subject should be taken as a joke, not as fact. The man has lied and been wrong about every subject he ever talked about. I can not believe anyone still actually reads his column. The New York Times really has sunk to new lows with the hiring of Bill Kristol.
If Kristol had his way, 2/3rds of the planet would now be uninhabitable due to his bloodthirsty desire for the use of nuclear weapons.
The issue isn't about opposing viewpoints. THe issue is the media once again REWARDING a partisan political operative who has routinely lied to the people without shame or remorse. By hiring Kristol, the Times is saying that thier paper endorses lying to their readers and saying anything no matter how false, to support the republican party.
If the Times is so confused about people criticizing other points of view, then where are all of their liberal commentators with political ties and motives? And how many of their liberal crew were hired AFTER being exposed as liars and propagandists to support the left? How many war opponents did they have right after 9/11 and/or how many did they hire right after 9/11? I doubt ANY. This is just another example of the corporate media moving further and further right, and encouraging Right-wing lies and misinformation going out to their readers.
The Times and any other media format, should have one concern and one concern ONLY...that is the truth and the facts, and ensuring the public gets that truth/facts without question or confusion. Clearly they aren't getting it now and hiring Kristol only guarantees they won't be getting it in the future either.
It is one thing to have commentators giving their opinions on what they like, don't like, or what they think is or isn't a good idea. Fair enough. But when someone like Kristol can knowingly lie (wmd's, ties to 9/11, etc) and/or has a record for being completely wrong on almost every claim...then that isn't printing opinion. It is willingly printing misinformation.
I expect an equal opportunity to dispense radical fundamentalism will be given to Bin Laden.
Conservative intellectual is a bigger oxymoron than liberal fascist.
This country is doomed.
Bill Kristol smells like warmed over cadavers with a side of steaming feces.
-GSD
Realitysucks @ 3:
You're right and I did.
Happy New Year CnLers!
I wonder if this means they're bringing back Times Select, because I can't imagine how the NYT plans to make any money off of hiring Kristol unless they charge conservative crazies to read his editorials on the web. No one's going to buy the paper for his column--getting caught with a copy of the Times would be a shameful experience for the crazies willing to pay to read Kristol--and it's not as though they'll even get much online ad revenue from him, because the conservatives who go to the NYT website to read Kristol won't be induced to browse through the rest of the Times' website.
I have just REMOVED the New York Times from my bookmarks.... F* em!
The sole and only reason for the times to hire Billy Kristol is his patronym. If his name were William Smith, he'd never even get a look.
Or mebbe it's his duck-'billed' smirk...
Hard to tell...
Bill Kristol has about as much respect and credibility as Baghdad Bob.
Bloody Kristol is a good looking white man who wears a suit well and can enunciate.
The fact that he hasn't gotten anything right in the last seven years doesn't disqualify from the pages of what used to be a decent paper. You see as long as he appears like a smart white guy who reenforces the Republican line (lie) .... then the right wingnuts can say ,"look the NYT's said ......" what ever crap comes out on the op-ed page.
Maybe that's the diversity that the NYT is looking for. Oh hell no, they have David Brooks/Frank Rich for that.
anon @ 43:
Plus he's boring and he stretches the truth to make his points. Gimme Seder any day.
If those who care about reading an accurate reporting in the newspaper are serious, then the NYT should be getting record cancellations in protest to the hiring of William the Bloody, in droves.
However, this is the country that England asked "How Could 59 Million Americans be so stupid?" in glaring global headlines when Shrubya stole the White House a second time, so this isn't suprising, either.
Will the NYT change its mantra from "All the news that's fit to print" to All the propaganda that's fit to print"?
Bill Kristol is a delusional, chickensh!t, chickenhawk, warmongering, leg humping thug of the crime family.
From Fox News to the NYT. No correlation there. Nope. None.
As to appearances, Kristol is identical to the german tank commander from Kelly's Heroes. How fitting.
Mike Mid City @ 67:
Not with those lizard-lips he ain't.
And what is the story with the picture of Bill Kristol? I guess that is the way a person looks when they are constantly pulling s--t out of their ass to present to the public as fact.
i thought the washpost's hiring of michael 'my lies cause death' gerson was the worst move by a paper.
i stand corrected.
nytimes.... wow....
We've got Tweety,' the Doughy Pantload, LoudObbs, Joke Line, K-Lo, etc.
but I don't recall one for Billy Kristol.
I propose "Daffy" due to his facial resemblance to the daft, black Warner Bros anatidine
By "opposing viewpoints", we mean 'truth and bullshit'. You gotta have balance!
Alex Simpson @ 10:
Thanks for the link. I wrote them and told them what I think of them for hiring what I called "a bloodthirsty liar and reknowned idiot."
Mike Mid City @ 67:
Good looking? Thanks for setting the bar so low. He looks like the Joker's brother....
keiran @ 68:
I have the recording. It's not true that he insulted Kucinich.
"Rant" is a word Hartmann uses all the time, and he intended no disrespect by it. Kucinich knee-jerked Thom because he doesn't know him.
Kucinich, somebody I formerly supported, sounded like a snot-nosed prick.
So if Hitler, Pol Pot, or Stalin was around would he be described as serious with differing viewpoints? Would he be offered an op-ed spot since his views, while in direct contrast with most peoples, are obviously believed wholeheartedly by himself? I swear this give every side a fair voice and podium to shout from has gone too far. Why don't they hire a civil rights proponent, then hire a biggoted racist KKK member too? I mean every side is right, right? Let's have them hire a flat earther since they have belief and an opposing viewpoint, I mean not everyone thinks the world is round...so since not everyone thinks it, it must not be a fact and can be debated endlessly like every other issue that has two sides. If some asshat says 2+2=5, we should give him a NYT op-ed column so that he gets a fair and balanced forum to expouse his views. Just because the liberal elite think it's four, must mean that in fact there is a good chance it's five but it just hasn't been reported in the Liberal M$M.
When I see the words "respected" and "serious" used to describe Bill Kristol, I am reminded of the paranoid schizophrenic who used to ride the same train I did when I lived in NYC. He was well dressed, never yelled or sounded agitated, but he was having quiet conversations with himself and a disembodied voice. Usually, he was talking about conspiracy theories and demented ideas such as how he came to believe the Soviets are stealing sunshine, or that his landlord was a closeted werewolf. The man was serious, well spoken and sounded reasonable, but he was bug fucking crazy. Would the NY Times hire the man from the train, too? Sounding good versus reality-based journalism must be what The Times is aiming for.
If you're savvy you don't have any subscriptions to any MSM outlet whatsoever - and still read the papers. Besides, money has this funny way of making newspapers lie, and people who want to tell the truth tend to do so for free.
“The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual — and somehow that’s a bad thing,” Rosenthal added.
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I think Rosenthal meant to say "seriously BLEEPed up"
What's going unmentioned it the change in NYT's long-standing policy of not having a Comics section!
Now that they have Kristol, can Family Circus be next?
Erm, do british readers have any right to comment on these things? Speaking as someone who has watched the US split itself apart in the last decade or so, I really have to say Chill. The. Fuck. Out.
Of course this guy is an idiot, but is it going to hurt you to read a conservative pundit? No, not unless your opinions are so shaky that he will sway them with each column he writes. If you really are that political you will be able to see
Britain's most liberal newspaper - The Guardian - regularly has columns from our most conservative politician (a delightful creature by the name of Anne Widdecomb). It didn't convert the entire left into bible-bashing xenophobes (yet?) and didn't stop people buying the newspaper. In fact, a lot of people discovered a new-found respect and appreciation for people thinking the way that they do, even when they are so wrong that you want to shake your fists in indignation. Even when they obviously breakfast on babies.
I know it'll take a while to happen, but if Democrats take the lead and show some real tolerance - which you are patently not at the moment, I'm afraid to say - then your (admittedly nutty as fruitcakes) friends on the Right will become a lot less afraid of you putting communism in their kids' milk.
/and that will be the time to do it ;0)
NCBlueneck @ 15:
I guarantee that Kristol himself will continue to characterize it as the "Liberal New York Times".These people are nothing if not unbelievably cynical and disingenuous.
BTW-perhaps in the interest of "balance" and appeasement,the Times will consider hiring Chomsky...ya think?
"New York Times Defends Hiring William “The Bloody” - He’s Respected & Serious"
Well, that statement fits right in with all the other shit they print. And Rosenthal calling responsible people who object to this particular hire 'intolerant,' actually many of them his customers, well that's fitting somehow too. The Times has been up to this shit for years. It follows a tried and true bullying pattern the media have followed for aeons.
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Thanks NYT for proving I was right when I dump your sorry arse 15 years ago. After I discovered you weren't reporting East Timor (because your pals in the White House were backing that particular genocide)
Still love me the Crossword puzzle. And the Sunday Times puzzles. I do them for free, whenever I can.
Obviously Kristol is dumb. He is stupid.
The point is, for me at least, that his opinions are already widely represented.
This moron gets a lot of air time.
So when the Times says it's giving him a "voice" I say, "bullshit".
If they want to give a voice to someone, why not give it to someone who is not already represented in the
media?
This is crass commercialism.
It is equivalent to Obama pandering to religious bigots and justifying it by saying this makes him more inclusive.
"Respected???"
More like adding a scratch and sniff cheeze-whiz advertizement to the NYT Magazine... to waft it's lovely fumes along with the perfume ads.
gs
William Kristol is not respected and what's worse he is serious.
Calling Kristol serious and respected is proof that irony is dead.
pinkobait @ 87:
Haha. good one. I just polished off 'Manufacturing Consent' last night on teh Google vid, and he savages them. When I saw the movie 15 years ago, I stopped buying buying the NYT.
oh just horse shit
Respected. As in "Respect Mah Authoritah!"
rosenthal spews that kristol is "a serious, respected conservative intellectual"...
well dandy-andy let's go ahead and check that out. for some reason my memory of bloody-billy is not as gracious.
a sampling of kristol:
"we cannot afford to let Saddam Hussein inflict a worse 9/11 on us in the future." September 11, 2002 (from corn's the nation piece)
"He's got weapons of mass destruction. At some point he will use them or give them to a terrorist group to use...Look, if we free the people of Iraq we will be respected in the Arab world....France and Germany don't have the courage to face up to the situation. That's too bad. Most of Europe is with us. And I think we will be respected around the world for helping the people of Iraq to be liberated." February 20, 2003 (from corn's the nation piece)
"We committed ourselves to reshaping the Middle East, so the region would no longer be a hotbed of terrorism, extremism, anti-Americanism, and weapons of mass destruction. The first two battles of this new era are now over. The battles of Afghanistan and Iraq have been won decisively and honorably. But these are only two battles. We are only at the end of the beginning in the war on terror and terrorist states." April, 2003
"Scooter Libby does not deserve to go to jail. I would remind Joe Wilson that Scooter Libby did not leak Valerie Plame's name. Richard Armitage told Robert Novak, we now know, about Valerie Plame's name, so this was an investigation that should never have happened. There was no underlying crime." July 3
ya know i could do this all day long. suffice it to say that kristol is known for his obfuscation and lies.
KegBol @ 85:
May I ask: Did Anne Widdecomb's words and recommendations contribute to the slaughter and relocation of a million people?
The point here is that we in the USA do not need to hear from the filth I call Guppy Mouth. There is a reason C&L refers to him as William the Bloody.
We gain nothing from having this creature who insists on remaining in the public forum.
And BTW, it is the republican party in the USA that demonstrates intolerance. The Democratic Party consistently demonstrates a degree of tolerance that is slowly killing it.
miss_kitty @ 93:
Yeah Miss Kitty,the MSM have been engaged in a total Chomsky "black out" for years.They know very well that if he was allowed any real exposure he would most assuredly "savage" them.He would destroy Kristol ,and he would do so with perfect eloquence and unshakable conviction.He'd drop a "truth bomb" on his MF ass.
New York Times Defends Hiring William “The Bloody” - He’s Respected & Serious
I dunno.
He looks constipated to me.
Like a musket after it's been tamped.
One more nail in the coffin of the Main Stream Media. I remember canceling my subscription to Time magazine in the '70s with the admonition that they were a tool of corporations. Things haven't changed much except to get worse. Remember buggy whips? Of course you don't.
Why bother.
I only had a New York Time subscription for a week, before I cancelled it on this news.
I already had to cancel my Dallas Morning Nudes because the started running grimalkin.
Kristol is serious. Seriously deranged, at least.
two wrongs dont make it right
Hiring a JACK ASS will only make the NY times look more non credible
you mean you people cant find one republican thats better
Try Rush LIMBALLS ha ha hh ah ah ah ahha
Piggy-eyed, lizard-lipped William The Bloody must be in good company at the NYT. Their 'journalistic integrity' disappeared well before they hired David Brooks, so Kristol can continue to spew his sanctimonious, salacious rubbish among like-minded bozos.
And, what's with this crap about 'covering all sides' of an issue?!? Who rewrote the definition of journalism? Aren't we looking for a "direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation"?!?
We The People are moving inexorably forward by focusing our time and energy on the Internet as a source of news and entertainment. The NYT is fast becoming a relic, and we're simply witnessing the death throes. Perhaps hiring William The Bloody is apropos, given his inordinate love of the macabre.
Kristol has never met a democrat or progressive idea he's liked. He is too republican to have any objectivity about anything. Lately, the NYT has been disappointing, but the hiring of this clown has put the cherry on the sundae. Go elsewhere for news and valid opinions.
Less and less are reading the Reslug. lying rag anyway.
The 'opposing viewpoints' argument makes me sick. Hasn't the Times learned that people are SICK of pointless opposing view point news? Why do you think blogs are so popular? Why not just scrap the whole damn reporting staff and put out a paper everyday that says: Some people say and believe certain things, Some people say and believe the opposite things.
What next, the weather page? If one forecaster predicts sunshine, will the print a forecast for rain from a different forecaster?
'Opposing Viewpoints' is merely an excuse to absolve yourself of the responsibility of reporting the facts.
Respected by whom???
And this mor than proves how NYT has along been a tool and not independent. What respectable publication would ever entertain the thoughts of hiring a completely discredited war mongerer, part of the despicable pack of satanists bent on world domination through war and bloodshed, lies and propaganda, extreme views and extreme actions, the ones called "Neocons". Nazi propagandizers had nothing on these vulgar merchants of death.
Don't forget -- Rosenthal "used" to work for Rupert Murdoch before he went to the NYT. Guess he still does.....
Here's my letter to the NYT cancelling my subscription:
I'm a recent subscriber to the New York Times, and have already cancelled the service, due to the news that William Kristol will be a contributing columnist.
Congratulations, your paper has now sunk the the depths of Fox News.
It was bad enough that yours was the paper of Judith Miller.
Who's next for your list of "serious and respectable" writers, Miss. Cleo the Caribbean telephone psychic?
What'dya think, too subtle?
Mark @ 109:
Baghdad Bob,
Mark my words.
...Serious, 'respected', conservative, INTELLECTUAL???....
Uh huh, Interesting theory... Let me know how that works out for you Mr. Rosenthal and your rags circulation... Whatever, I don't read the NY Times anyway.... I guess I never will now... I've seen quite enough of William (the bloody) Kristal already over the last seven years... I have no interest in seeing what kinds of propadandistic rants he will come up with in this gig..JD
I haven't seen any suggestions in this thread on who the NYT should have hired. Any ideas for an alternative conservative voice that folks would take seriously?
I don't respect him.
Uncle Charlie @ 115:
That's because the topic is Guppy Mouth.
Provide your list of possibilities, preferably, ones who haven't advocated the annihilation of so many innocent people in a "war" based on lies.
Dear NYT,
No matter how many mouth-breathers you hire Fox and Clear Channel hosts will still call you "far left" Cut the wingnut welfare rolls and get rid of Kristol, Brooks, and Tom Friedman. You are flushing your paper's history down the toilet every day you keep these Heritage Foundation harlots employed
Last straw. Took about 15 min waiting on hold but I finally canceled my subscription.
Still haven't decided on Air America Premium.
Who respects Kristol? Anyone respectable? I doubt it.
It reminds me of Groucho Marx's quote "I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member."
Down with NYT...let's see who has the last word.
myiq2xu @ 120:
My quote is, "My member is my club."
I sent an email to the NYT expressing my disgust with the hiring of Bill Kristol and stating I was canceling my long running subscription. I received the exact same canned response As Uncle Wally at 9:09 AM did. Three points: 1. Bill Kristol is NOT a conservative, but rather a neocon war for profit, Israel supporting war monger. 2. The point is not multiple views and intellectual diversity, the point is that not one red cent of my money is going to support this smirking, arrogant little bastard. 3. By their response the NYT is telling me they don't care what I think and I can go to hell. The feeling is mutual. And I will not only never purchase nor read the NYT times again, I will bad mouth it to everyone I know and even people I don't know. Up yours NYT.
Publicus @ 116:
You slept with him last night!
One good thing about this. It illustrates to millions across America what a piece of toilet paper the New York Times has become.
Nothing fits better on toilet paper than excrement: aka Kristol.
What - they couldn't get Scott Peterson? Lyle Menendez? Fred Phelps? The NYT can bite me.
He's a JOKE...a neo-con and part of the Bush conspiracy!!!
They not only defended the hiring Huffington Post, they defended the hiring to a subscriber.
Check this out:
From: publisher@nytimes.com
Subject: Re: Bill Kristol
Date: January 1, 2008 11:10:11 AM CST
To: xxxxxx@mac.com
Thank you for your e-mail concerning Bill Kristol. We appreciate your
interest and your taking the time to let us know how you feel.
Mr. Kristol's column will be appearing on the Op-Ed page, where we offer a
range of diverse opinions -- often differing from our own editorial
opinions. Given that we are a news organization that believes in vibrant
political discourse, we have brought Mr. Kristol on board after a long and
thoughtful search through the ranks of strong conservative voices.
Will you -- or will we -- agree with him? Probably not.very often . . .
but that is the point of offering multiple views and providing intellectual
diversity. We hope the column will engender open debate and discussion in
the democratic tradition of newspapers. And we hope that you will continue
to read and to express your views to us. We very much value your
readership.
Sincerely,
Catherine Mathis
SVP, Corporate Communications
The New York Times Company
Here's my reply:
On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:10 AM, publisher@nytimes.com wrote:
"Will you -- or will we -- agree with him? Probably not.very often . . .
but that is the point of offering multiple views and providing intellectual
diversity."
***********************************************************************
No, you've missed the point.
William Kristol has been WRONG. ABOUT. EVERYTHING.
Like I said in my original e-mail. Nothing like failing upwards.
Forget your paper. You lost your credibility with Judith-I-Love-Me-Some-Stenography-Miller and this move will not get it back for you. You now have a mole inside the walls.
William Kristol HATES you people. He derides you with any given chance. You're behaving like an abused wife. He'll quit beating you when you finally get dinner ready on time.
It's either that or you're in collusion with the liars that illegally took this country to war. I'm betting now on the latter.
"vibrant political discourse"........heh. He advocated the arrest, trial and conviction of one of your writers FOR TREASON!!!!!!!
You, my friend, are an idiot.
How's that for vibrant political discourse?
You'd better get used to it. There's a lot more where that came from and he's submitting a weekly column to your paper.
No one objects to a serious, respected conservative intellectual, but what has that have to do with Bill Kristol? What we have here is a fellow who said that the NYT should be prosecuted. He regularly denigrates the paper, and so naturally the NYT decides to offer him a job and Bill Kristol decides they're not so bad after all. Go figure.
Since Rosenthal has redefined what a serious, respected conservative intellectual is, I wonder if he could redefine "integrity" for us as well.
MrShow @ 119:
I know what you mean. Seder is the ONLY reason I am still an AAR member. He goes, I go.
I am looking into the Kristol ball.......hmmmm....cannot seem to find it.......does he have any?
eeewwwww
What's the diff? The NYT will be dead and long gone in 7 years anyway. This just puts another nail in the coffin.
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Like anyone reads newspapers for NEWS anymore - shit, I just buy the Sunday edition for the coupons.
Kristol is a liar. That is enough reason to not hire him. I did unsubscribe and had a response to a scathing remark made re Kristol. They say they are "trying to promote vigorous political discourse". He is a dissembling propagandist and a deceiver and the Times needs to reconsider. Hire any Repub columnist they wish but not one of the neocons responsible for the death of almost four thousand soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Their circ is down, maybe they want Rupert to buy them out. My respect for them is gone...
KegBol @ 86:
Tolerance? They have taken our country away from us, invaded a country who posed no threat, shredded the constitution, murdered thousands of civilians, torture people in our name. Tolerance? You are just plain wrong.
myshadow @ 30:
thank you for 86'ing that
Mugsy @ 16:
Is this part of bush's plan? Have a small country with nukulr bombs throw one so he can press his button and finish his armandgetton? Maybe that would prove him richt (right?) :(
I'm not trying to make a point. I'm really interested in other's views here on who be acceptable. Assuming we're ok with the hiring of a conservative (or neo-con, if you prefer), who else is out there that could bring reasonable points to bear?
Lollimom @ 117:
ILollimom @ 117:
ok, so the Times will ever be part of the solution. They are gearing up to cause whatever Dem gets elected a shit load discomfort.
Kristol? He should be on the comics page.
Hey, the Washington Post just dug up Joseph Goebbels and made him Editorial Page Editor, "Mr. Goebbels, while controversial, will provide an additional point of view not usually heard. We hope he enlivens the political discussion and while he may not always be right, he is certainly not left."
Managing Director
Washington Post
(Did anyone notices this is the same week that Jim Newton, Editorial Page Editor of the Los Angeles Times ran a puff piece on Kenneth Starr? Hmmmm.)
a respected and serious....douchebag
---one typically buys NYT for the crossword puzzle
Who gives a shit. You act as if this is a surprise. I'm so sick of feigned outrage. I mean the NYTimes has long lost its credibility. Let it go and focus on what's important. (BTW: Kristol is not important)
"Times’ editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal defended the move. Rosenthal told Politico.com shortly after the official announcement Saturday that he fails to understand “this weird fear of opposing views….We have views on our op-ed page that are as hawkish or more so than Bill…. "
Times’ editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal announced that additionally the Times will be changing their famous slogan "All the news that's fit to print" to "Truth is Dead" to honor their new employee.
Dear New York Times ~~
Go ahead and hire Bill "the Bloody" Kristol. It won't help your downward spiral in subscriptions. In fact it might hurry things along a bit - not a bad idea.
But he's GARBAGE.
He's a war criminal. He has blood on his hands.
And I'll never touch another copy of the New York Times in my lifetime.
*
#2
I got the same exact "personal" response from the editors. They seem to be missing a couple of salient points:
1.) Writing an opinion piece for one-time airing on their OpEd page is not the same thing as hiring someone with a track record of faulty logic and offensive speech to air their views on a regular basis.
2.) This is about the free market. I don't much care what their rationale is for hiring him, that is not my concern. My issue is that I don't want to pay to support the publication of offensive views. I don't subscribe to the National Review or to skinhead publications for the same reason. It is fundamentally repugnant to me to endorse, through my financial support, offensive and deceitful propaganda, regardless of the venue for publication.
Frankly, I don’t much care at this point because the NYT long ago lost its luster, but I am surprised they bothered to write back.
The NEW YORK TIMES can now go and FUCKOFF, if the idiot in charge can't distinguish between philosophical differences and stubbornly spindoctored lies by a HACK (he merely SELLS a point of view, he doesn't GIVE a well reasoned one), then the conservafucks were right, it's a worthless newpaper run by an increasingly worthless bunch.
Rosenthal, FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU, they ought to gut you like a fish next time you make such a pathetic attempt to buttress your patheticly weak reasoning.
Yeah, same here. I'm going to delete all my NYtimes bookmarks and never read it again. There are plenty of conservative people in the USA who would make great additions to the editorial staff of the NYT.
solid @ 79:
Albatross @ 73:
Ya, well it was early and the arian, nazi looking, lizard lipped, fascist pig, is, sorry to say, better looking then me. So yes I have a low bar.
That said I'm sure he wouldn't let his dog ride on the roof of the car, he loves dogs. It's his house keeper from the Dominican that rides the roof.
uncle wally @ 2:
Hit them where it hurts. On their bottom line. They hire Kristol? You fire them-cancel your subscription if you have one. For more, look here.
ysbaddaden @ 102:
As per the above, I did the same, and I am a long time subscriber.
ysbaddaden @ 112:
Excellent!
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