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Hillary is in the early lead

Reporting 15%

Hillary Clinton 40%
Barack Obama 36%
John Edwards 17%

The Villagers are in shock. Huge voting numbers for the Democratic Party vs Republicans: roughly 2-1

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kevin's picture

nooooooooooo

come on barak

Apples's picture

Ugh.

emerald's picture

Is it too early? Were the polls dead wrong? Or do they use voting machines and the whole thing is fixed?

LCoast's picture

'bout time someone came to their senses. Movement, my ass.

pehpsi's picture

Hillary and McCain? What the hell is wrong with people in NH!

redjb's picture

it's only a about 2000 votes,,,,

come on Barak.....

Greg's picture

ABH!

rend's picture

fear not, it makes no difference, both are owned.

http://counterpunch.org/mokhiber01082008.html

mudshark's picture

Edwards would be a better choice in my book...But I'd rather see Clinton get it than Obama,she has more experience.Granted she has made some big mistakes on her voting record,but I think she realises that now.Obama has the same voting record as Clinton.And Clinton just has more experience and is better known around the world.Any one of the three would be an improvement regardless of who gets the nomination.But I'm still pulling for Edwards.

Judy's picture

Way to go Hilary!

Fil's picture

just as long as Edwards stays in 3rd place, we are in good hands with either Hillary or Obama

Slaw's picture

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

ashton's picture

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again? I would hate to be unrelated to him, have the last name Bush and only be running for dog catcher.

If that was a dynasty, he burned it to the ground.

Barrett D's picture

how much "experience" does a politician need, sheesh.

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ashton @ 13:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again?

People were saying the same thing about Clinton 8 years ago. Hell, even Al Gore tried to distance himself from the Clintons...

bubba's picture

I'm sorry but Bill Clinton got 3% in Iowa in 92. Writing a Clinton obituary is something you only do after they are weighted down and buried.

Joseph's picture

MSNBC Will Be Devastated And Matthews Will Go Home And Beat His Wife

Although, I have become a Barack Obama supporter, I must say I would love to see Chris Matthews face if Hillary Clinton wins. It would be priceless.

Joseph

Conan the Grammarian's picture

NH Dem winners: 1980, Carter; 1984, Hart; 1988, Dukakis; 1992, Tsongas; 2000, Gore; 2004, Kerry.

If you want a President Obama, pray for second place.

Slaw's picture

ashton @ 13:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again? I would hate to be unrelated to him, have the last name Bush and only be running for dog catcher.

If that was a dynasty, he burned it to the ground.

I thought that before the 2004 election. I don't trust everyone who wanted to have a beer with W, as they'd probably enjoy one with Jeb as well.

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ashton @ 13:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again?

.

....With Diebold still alive and counting votes? I'd say yes.

ashton's picture

BlueTooth @ 16:

ashton @ 13:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again?

People were saying the same thing about Clinton 8 years ago. Hell, even Al Gore tried to distance himself from the Clintons...

Since Hillary had announced that she was running for the Senate at the time, that doesn't exactly make sense.

An excellent point can also be expected when it starts with "People were saying."

StirFry's picture

Mittens is giving his defeat speech. I don't have android-language closed captioning on my TV.

Perturbed's picture

What the...? On the list of GOP candidates on that Concord Monitor list, who is this "Supreme, Vermin" about 3/4 the way down the list with five votes??

Slaw's picture

jim @ 15:

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The W keys story was a lie. We can thank the MSM for reporting that one...or not.

mudshark's picture

jim @ 15:

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That was proven to be bullshit....where have you been?

emerald's picture

Hillary is ahead by almost 3,600 votes now. Wow! The polls were so wrong.

anon's picture

clinton's pulling ahead. up by 4000 now.

Hail to the Chimp's picture

What is going on with the lead Obama was supposed to have?

ian's picture

Hmmmm, so have Americans become so stupidified by tv and shows such as American Idol that they are willing to live in a two family dynasty in perpetuity?! Is this how it is going to be:

Bush I (George), 4 yrs
Clinton I (Bill), 8 yrs
Bush II (Chimpy), 8 yrs
Clinton II (HRC), 8 yrs
Bush III (Jeb), 8 yrs
Clinton III (Chelsea), etc, etc, ETC!!!!!

That is NOT DEMOCRACY!!! For Buddha's sake people, THINK!!!

ashton's picture

jim @ 15:

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Actually, I remember that story being debunked years ago. A conspiracy theory is rather flimsy when it starts with something that is false.

Ruthless People's picture

kevin @ 1:

nooooooooooo

come on barak

Battle of the 2 unelectables.

mudshark's picture

Barrett D @ 14:

how much "experience" does a politician need, sheesh.

more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?

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jim's picture

emerald @ 28:

Hillary is ahead by almost 3,600 votes now. Wow! The polls were so wrong.

The polls were so wrong. Dieblod is so right as it's counting with no paper trail as we speak.

anon's picture

Perturbed @ 25:

What the...? On the list of GOP candidates on that Concord Monitor list, who is this "Supreme, Vermin" about 3/4 the way down the list with five votes??

LOL !!
He's got 8 Votes now ! ahahahahaha

Mugsy's picture

I've been collecting pre-race poll data all evening. I have yet to find a poll prior to today that showed Hillary in the lead. To a T, they all polled an Obama lead in NH by as much as 13 points.

Couple this with the video I posted yesterday on DU from BBV revealing that 81% of NH voters would be using an optical scanner with known hackable outdated firmware, and there grows a question whether "the fix was in"?

And speaking of "the fix was in", the NH GOP website listed "McCain's Victory Party" before the polls even opened today. I hope to post a complete update on my blog tomorrow.

Fil's picture

i love it when the polls are wrong, it's like throwing a cream pie back the faces of the corporate media and pundtards.

There is nothing better than a close race

Tequila's picture

Doesn't bother me. It's the same New England loyalty which elected Joe. It won't affect Edwards and Obama, though.

ashton's picture

ian @ 31:

Hmmmm, so have Americans become so stupidified by tv and shows such as American Idol that they are willing to live in a two family dynasty in perpetuity?! Is this how it is going to be:

Bush I (George), 4 yrs
Clinton I (Bill), 8 yrs
Bush II (Chimpy), 8 yrs
Clinton II (HRC), 8 yrs
Bush III (Jeb), 8 yrs
Clinton III (Chelsea), etc, etc, ETC!!!!!

When was Jeb elected President? I completely missed that one. And Hillary has already been elected for two terms? I must have dozed off for a brief 16 years.

That is NOT DEMOCRACY!!! For Buddha's sake people, THINK!!!

Hail to the Chimp's picture

mudshark @ 34:

Barrett D @ 14:

how much "experience" does a politician need, sheesh.

more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?

So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?

CD's picture

The GOP would like to thank you Hampshires for your hurting the Democrats by nominating Hillary.

anon's picture

OH SNAP Obama's coming back:

Clinton
26,130
39%

Obama
23,635
36%

Perturbed's picture
Kathleen's picture

Sad to see Edwards pulling a third in New Hampshire. But have to give it to him for hanging in there even after the MSM and some of the so called "progressive" media outlets ignored his second place win in Iowa.

Still do not get this Obamarama phenomena. Just what is all this "hope" based on? Have not seen him be an "agent of change" on....anything

Obama fundraising

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/01/sweet_obama_secretive_about_fu.h...

Rasputin's picture

Well... my goonie gracious....

Ya means to tell me that all the pundits and pollsters who told us that Hillary's campaign was dead and the Obama phenomena was a happening thing... WERE DEAD FRICKIN' WRONG?????

I'm no fan of Hillary, but when the media starts serving you up a story with the same intensity that they served up the "runaway bride" story... your bull sh*t detectors better start ringing loud and clear!

It is still early and things might change yet... but many of the MSM as*wipe pundits were giving Obama a 10% to 12% victory and he may yet win, but certainly not by that margin.

Anyone want to give the pundits and pollsters that much credence tomorrow???? Anyone wonder why with only 1% of the voters having their say that they were writing off candidates national campaigns... did any of that BS bother you?

ashton's picture

CD @ 43:

The GOP would like to thank you Hampshires for your hurting the Democrats by nominating Hillary.

Don't repeat stupidity. It makes you look forgetful, and stupid.

I'm stunned....

This feels like after 9/11 when everyone was unified and was in the mood to sacrifice and pull together for change, then three months later, Bush started his fear campaign and the nation fell back to the way it was before. That's how I feel right now. For the last few days, I felt like America may have turned a corner and could finally elect someone who didn't exemplify our past......just to see New Hampshire hit us like a stone wall.

Speaking as a Black man, many in the media were right that it was never a case that I was in love with the Clintons, I just didn't trust this nation to elect a Black man so I didn't get my hopes up. Well, I have no idea how South Carolina will vote now knowing that every other state may go for or against Obama.

I know it's not over, but the fact that she's leading after 25% of the votes is VERY disheartening. At this point I'd almost rather have a third Bush term than a Hillary term. I'm dead serious even though I'll vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

Kay's picture

mudshark @ 9:

Edwards would be a better choice in my book...But I'd rather see Clinton get it than Obama,she has more experience.Granted she has made some big mistakes on her voting record,but I think she realises that now.Obama has the same voting record as Clinton.And Clinton just has more experience and is better known around the world.Any one of the three would be an improvement regardless of who gets the nomination.But I'm still pulling for Edwards.

Thank you. That is what I think everytime someone bashes Hillary in favor of Obama. They are essentially one in the same, with the only difference being that one of them is a great speaker and the other has more experience.

Ruthless People's picture

Obama just pulled ahead of Hillary!

Leo's picture

It wasn't the polls that were so wrong. If you trace where it all came from - - it was all GOP spin (from Drudge, Limbaugh, Savage, and their millions of clones). The MSM and the print media just followed Drudge and the others. Now they have been shown to be fools. But they don't give up. Right now the GOP operatives are saying that if Hillary wins, it guarantees her defeat and she will drop out because (they say) the surge in votes for her shows her "desperation". This is the absurd spin they are already spreading for tomorrow. What a sick world.

mudshark's picture

Hail to the Chimp @ 41:

mudshark @ 34:

Barrett D @ 14:

how much "experience" does a politician need, sheesh.

more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?

So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?

Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.

Kathleen's picture

anon @ 44:

OH SNAP Obama's coming back:

Clinton
26,130
39%

Obama
23,635
36%

Edwards has been at 17% for the last hour. Does anyone find this odd? Why no movement?

L.A. Confidential's picture

Hillary Clinton 41%
Barack Obama 35%
John Edwards 17%

anon's picture

Ruthless People @ 51:

Obama just pulled ahead of Hillary!

where'd you see that?

ashton's picture

mudshark @ 53:

Hail to the Chimp @ 41:

mudshark @ 34:

Barrett D @ 14: more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?

So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?

Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.

Had you read and understood the question, you would have noticed that it mentioned the State level. How many votes did he miss at the State level?

Barrett D's picture

i recall in the liberal leadership race in canada, one of the top candidates had zero political experience, never had been elected, he was regarded as an intellectual. he was actually the top contender, but a lesser known, much more "experienced" man unexpectedly won. people regret that now....

bubba's picture

Yeah, I think there is a certain reaction to the media hype here... If the media hadnt pissed on Hillarys head quite so hard she might not have done so well. Maybe people sensed a lynching and rallied to her.

Leo's picture

"At this point I’d almost rather have a third Bush term than a Hillary term"

Your a poor GOP shill, that's for sure.

ss's picture

Will Hillary's sober experience and brains win over Obama's hope and fluffy bs rhetoric---I hope so- I'm already sick of O. he'd make a good AG or something---but president of the USA????---LOL

Ruthless People's picture

anon @ 56:

Ruthless People @ 51:

Obama just pulled ahead of Hillary!

where'd you see that?

I pulled it out of my ass.

ashton's picture

Ruthless People @ 62:

anon @ 56:

Ruthless People @ 51:

Obama just pulled ahead of Hillary!

where'd you see that?

I pulled it out of my ass.

Please wash your hands before you type anything else.

Slaw's picture

mudshark @ 53:

Hail to the Chimp @ 41:

mudshark @ 34:

Barrett D @ 14: more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?

So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?

Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.

Phony talking point--he was following the party plan to fight no-win votes on abortion.

RMac's picture

Mugsy @ 38:

I've been collecting pre-race poll data all evening. I have yet to find a poll prior to today that showed Hillary in the lead. To a T, they all polled an Obama lead in NH by as much as 13 points.

Couple this with the video I posted yesterday on DU from BBV revealing that 81% of NH voters would be using an optical scanner with known hackable outdated firmware, and there grows a question whether "the fix was in"?

And speaking of "the fix was in", the NH GOP website listed "McCain's Victory Party" before the polls even opened today. I hope to post a complete update on my blog tomorrow.

The same thing can be shown here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

not stupid's picture

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilay, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

This is sad that anyone would want to see another Bush in power????????

mudshark's picture

ashton @ 57:

mudshark @ 53:

Hail to the Chimp @ 41:

mudshark @ 34:

So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?

Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.

Had you read and understood the question, you would have noticed that it mentioned the State level. How many votes did he miss at the State level?

Now you're nit picking......the question was related to MY Books...was it not?.

Terrible's picture

jim @ 36:

emerald @ 28:

Hillary is ahead by almost 3,600 votes now. Wow! The polls were so wrong.

The polls were so wrong. Dieblod is so right as it's counting with no paper trail as we speak.

There IS a paper trail! All NH ballots are paper and optical scanned.

squiggs's picture

Kathleen @ 54:

anon @ 44:

OH SNAP Obama's coming back:

Clinton
26,130
39%

Obama
23,635
36%

Edwards has been at 17% for the last hour. Does anyone find this odd? Why no movement?

The percentages for Repugs from Huck down haven't changed at all either......I smell something ...and its spelled D.I.E.B.O.L.D.

ashton's picture

mudshark @ 66:

ashton @ 57:

mudshark @ 53:

Hail to the Chimp @ 41: Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.

Had you read and understood the question, you would have noticed that it mentioned the State level. How many votes did he miss at the State level?

Now you're nit picking......the question was related to MY Books...was it not?.

I don't care about your books, answer the question.

hareli's picture

BULLSzHIT. This is thievery.

mudshark's picture

ok...hang on...I'll be right back.So put the knifes away.

Kathleen's picture

ashton @ 63:

Ruthless People @ 62:

anon @ 56:

Ruthless People @ 51:

where'd you see that?

I pulled it out of my ass.

Please wash your hands before you type anything else.

I just spit on this computer. Funny

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Well if you look at the bright side. McCain won in 2000 over Bush in NH by 18%!!

Rasputin's picture

ss @ 61:

Will Hillary's sober experience and brains win over Obama's hope and fluffy bs rhetoric---I hope so- I'm already sick of O. he'd make a good AG or something---but president of the USA????---LOL

I know you meant it sarcastically and it hadn't occurred to me... but Obama would make a fantastic Attorney General with his knowledge of constitutional law and as we have seen that post is absolutely vital to a free republic... we could use someone of his stature there for sure.

CowBoy Bob in Austin's picture

Joseph (at 18) said it all...

The look on Chris Matthews' face when he has to pronounce Hillary the winner tonight... well, THAT will be worth staying up for!

Even if Obama wins... it will be a SQUEEKER. Tweety will have to admit, after trying to BURY the Clinton Campaign for the last MONTH... that she is still alive.

mudshark's picture

ashton @ 69:

mudshark @ 66:

ashton @ 57:

mudshark @ 53:

Had you read and understood the question, you would have noticed that it mentioned the State level. How many votes did he miss at the State level?

Now you're nit picking......the question was related to MY Books...was it not?.

I don't care about your books, answer the question.

I don't like your tone .........calm down.

jparso3's picture

If Hillary wins the nom I will not vote in the general. She is the wrong person for this country. She will continue the iraq war and bush's wire tapping and torture policies

wisedup's picture

Hillary has won, get use to it. Let the neocon crying begin, 3-2-1.

ashton's picture

not stupid @ 65:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilay, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

This is sad that anyone would want to see another Bush in power????????

Frankly, I thought the sad part was the logic. If A happens next November, then B will happen in 4 years. I wish these people would do something productive and use their future predicting skills by supplying winning lottery numbers.

Kathleen's picture

Terrible @ 67:

jim @ 36:

emerald @ 28:

Hillary is ahead by almost 3,600 votes now. Wow! The polls were so wrong.

The polls were so wrong. Dieblod is so right as it's counting with no paper trail as we speak.

There IS a paper trail! All NH ballots are paper and optical scanned.

Smart

ConcernedCanuck's picture

wisedup @ 78:

Hillary has won, get use to it. Let the neocon crying begin, 3-2-1.

Why would they cry? They want her to win.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Hillary is giving Obama a haircut. Sheesh things change quick.

Ruthless People's picture

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 75:

Joseph (at 18) said it all...

The look on Chris Matthews' face when he has to pronounce Hillary the winner tonight... well, THAT will be worth staying up for!

Even if Obama wins... it will be a SQUEEKER. Tweety will have to admit, after trying to BURY the Clinton Campaign for the last MONTH... that she is still alive.

First on Hillary's revenge list? Edwards for sand bagging her in Obamas favor at the last debates.

The Clintons never forget.

Kathleen's picture

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 75:

Joseph (at 18) said it all...

The look on Chris Matthews' face when he has to pronounce Hillary the winner tonight... well, THAT will be worth staying up for!

Even if Obama wins... it will be a SQUEEKER. Tweety will have to admit, after trying to BURY the Clinton Campaign for the last MONTH... that she is still alive.

matthews is always talking about Clinton..every night. the candidate Roman boy has tried to bury is Edwards

A Canadian's picture

dear America,
if you fuck this up by electing Hillary over Obama, I don't know man - I'll be very disappointed with your constant decisions to fuck everything up.

way to go.

Kathleen's picture

Ruthless People @ 84:

CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 75:

Joseph (at 18) said it all...

The look on Chris Matthews' face when he has to pronounce Hillary the winner tonight... well, THAT will be worth staying up for!

Even if Obama wins... it will be a SQUEEKER. Tweety will have to admit, after trying to BURY the Clinton Campaign for the last MONTH... that she is still alive.

First on Hillary's revenge list? Edwards for sand bagging her in Obamas favor at the last debates.

The Clintons never forget.

still waiting for them to focus on the folks who tried their best to take Clinton out. Oh those would be the folks funding Hillary now

bubba's picture

jparso3 @ 77:

If Hillary wins the nom I will not vote in the general. She is the wrong person for this country. She will continue the iraq war and bush's wire tapping and torture policies

IIRC, Obama and Hillary have almost identical positions on "careful withdrawl" designed to pressure the Iraqi government..... I mean, you knew that kucinich wasnt going to win, right?

Shawnmeat's picture

A Canadian @ 87:

dear America,
if you fuck this up by electing Hillary over Obama, I don't know man - I'll be very disappointed with your constant decisions to fuck everything up.

way to go.

Dear America,

As a Canadian, I ask you to please disregard the previous Canuck.

Kathleen's picture

A Canadian @ 87:

dear America,
if you fuck this up by electing Hillary over Obama, I don't know man - I'll be very disappointed with your constant decisions to fuck everything up.

way to go.

Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?

squiggs's picture

Kathleen @ 80:

Terrible @ 67:

jim @ 36:

emerald @ 28:

The polls were so wrong. Dieblod is so right as it's counting with no paper trail as we speak.

There IS a paper trail! All NH ballots are paper and optical scanned.

Smart

Optically scanned and counted by a computer!

Slaw's picture

ashton @ 79:

not stupid @ 65:

Slaw @ 12:

I like Hilay, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.

This is sad that anyone would want to see another Bush in power????????

Frankly, I thought the sad part was the logic. If A happens next November, then B will happen in 4 years. I wish these people would do something productive and use their future predicting skills by supplying winning lottery numbers.

You forget that what happens in November will last for 4 years. One of the things the 27%ers rejoiced in when W came to office was that he could redeem the office following his father's defeat. You don't think there will be nutjobs using the same logic in 4 years?

Brandon's picture

You Go Girl!

bubba's picture

And the computers are on Hillary's side. Shhhhh.

Shawnmeat's picture

bubba @ 88:

jparso3 @ 77:

If Hillary wins the nom I will not vote in the general. She is the wrong person for this country. She will continue the iraq war and bush's wire tapping and torture policies

IIRC, Obama and Hillary have almost identical positions on "careful withdrawl" designed to pressure the Iraqi government..... I mean, you knew that kucinich wasnt going to win, right?

Unfortunately, as I've said a million times, far too many individuals gather political opinions via osmosis and little else. It's pretty sad, but since Clinton's a popular target, this is what you get.

jules's picture

Way to go Hillary ! Hope it holds up , if only to make Chris Matthews look stupid or stupider . MSNBC's coverage has been terrible and very negative.Chris started a fight with DeeDee Myers and she was horrified with the way she was treated by Tweety. Have continued to watch this network, only to see how bad it will really get.

Ruthless People's picture

A Canadian @ 86:

dear America,
if you fuck this up by electing Hillary over Obama, I don't know man - I'll be very disappointed with your constant decisions to fuck everything up.

way to go.

I don't know Canadian, one could make a strong case that electing either of them is a fuck up. Edwards being the only one capable and ready to take on the establishment and turn things around in this country.

Listening to those Celine Dion CDs may have had a negative effect on your rationale processing.

ashton's picture

Slaw @ 92:

ashton @ 79:

not stupid @ 65:

Slaw @ 12:
This is sad that anyone would want to see another Bush in power????????

Frankly, I thought the sad part was the logic. If A happens next November, then B will happen in 4 years. I wish these people would do something productive and use their future predicting skills by supplying winning lottery numbers.

You forget that what happens in November will last for 4 years. One of the things the 27%ers rejoiced in when W came to office was that he could redeem the office following his father's defeat. You don't think there will be nutjobs using the same logic in 4 years?

What? I am well aware that what will happen in November hasn't yet happened. You are the one who thinks you have a crystal ball.

A Canadian's picture

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

Kathleen's picture

What happened to "seabiscuit"?

tyree's picture

Fil @ 11:

just as long as Edwards stays in 3rd place, we are in good hands with either Hillary or Obama

wed be in better hands with allstate!!!!!!!!!

Chris's picture

rend @ 8:

fear not, it makes no difference, both are owned.

http://counterpunch.org/mokhiber01082008.html

Yeah it's a good point. It's doesn't matter which one wins, because the same people control them both. Looks like Barackstar has received a lot of money from Excelon (opensecrets.org). No wonder he likes nuclear power so much. I like the way Excelon runs nuclear plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Cities_Nuclear_Generating_Station

What could be the possible danger in running a reactor outside of the original engineering design specifications? What could that possibly hurt???

ashton's picture

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

Indeed, my image of Canada is falling rapidly.

Chris's picture

wisedup @ 79:

Hillary has won, get use to it. Let the neocon crying begin, 3-2-1.

When you say neocon, do you mean Hillary or the Republican neocons?

L.A. Confidential's picture

ABC. . . Hillary . . . The Empire Strikes Back.

McMedia at it's finest.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Kathleen @ 100:

What happened to "seabiscuit"?

She's in the lead!!!! Good thing Bubba slapped some Clintonism into her campaign and got the old girls swooning again. LOL! Wow.......visions of GWB2000 or what? Rupert Murdock must be smilin' away right now. His girl is in da lead!!

jerry mcmeans's picture

Only a 3 point lead now, Obama is still the man.

Shawnmeat's picture

In any event, I figured the results for New Hampshire would end up this way - for Republicans as well as Democrats. And if history is any indication, the rest of the nation will be closer to New Hampshire than Iowa.

I thought it was funny when many bitter and hateful Obama supporters were saying that this was 'the end' for Clinton, because she is still likely to be the next President of the United States. But even then, my opinion of who will win isn't tied to who I like best. If I thought Clinton was likely to lose, I'd say so. But Iowa was barely indicative of anything at all.

squiggs's picture

It's funny watching people get mad that their CFR controlled robot is getting beat by other CFR controlled robots.

Baa!

A Canadian's picture

"Indeed, my image of Canada is falling rapidly."

yeah, well whatever.
I'm very liberal, but if I were American, I wouldnt even vote Hillary in the general, even if she was against Bush. The Clintons actions on this campaign disgust me. I seriously can't stand this awful woman.

Kathleen's picture

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

Image based on a spin machine spewing out "hope" and an "agent of change" based on what? Obama has been sitting on the fence for two years.

Image without substance is a void...or Brittany Spears. I just do not get the Obamarama phenomena ...I guess I would have had to have been brought up with the image generation.

Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?

Barrett D's picture

Obama would be a better "image" to the rest of the world.

Shawnmeat's picture

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

You are not the Voice of Canada, dude. And it's a good thing too, because you would make Canucks look life ignorant repeaters of misleading rhetoric.

Kathleen's picture

tyree @ 101:

Fil @ 11:

just as long as Edwards stays in 3rd place, we are in good hands with either Hillary or Obama

wed be in better hands with allstate!!!!!!!!!

yeah with both Hillary and Obama the dead lock on lobbying will be maintained

pinkobait's picture

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

Shawnmeat's picture

squiggs @ 69:

Kathleen @ 54:

anon @ 44:

OH SNAP Obama's coming back:

Clinton
26,130
39%

Obama
23,635
36%

Edwards has been at 17% for the last hour. Does anyone find this odd? Why no movement?

The percentages for Repugs from Huck down haven't changed at all either......I smell something ...and its spelled D.I.E.B.O.L.D.

I love the people crying foul because the person they wanted to win isn't winning.

Welcome to a democracy, fellas! You don't get to hand-pick the winner.

Shawnmeat's picture

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

In both primaries thus far, to boot!

As someone who likes all Democrats involved, and is terrified of the Republicans, this is thrilling. I wish more people could be happy for their party instead of trying to hang a noose around one or more members they happen to disagree with.

getalife's picture

The Obama wave has crashed.

Clinton wins New Hampshire.

Clinton/Obama 08.

mudshark's picture

http://www.factcheck.org/obamas_creative_clippings.html ...Still looking for the State Level...but heres something to read.Obama.

Kathleen's picture

ConcernedCanuck @ 107:

Kathleen @ 100:

What happened to "seabiscuit"?

She's in the lead!!!! Good thing Bubba slapped some Clintonism into her campaign and got the old girls swooning again. LOL! Wow.......visions of GWB2000 or what? Rupert Murdock must be smilin' away right now. His girl is in da lead!!

CEO's smiling...

Ruthless People's picture

Kathleen @ 112:

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

"Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?"

My guess would be two hits off a bong and one MDMA.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Shawnmeat @ 114:

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

You are not the Voice of Canada, dude. And it's a good thing too, because you would make Canucks look life ignorant repeaters of misleading rhetoric.

Um..we already have a Bush-lite in Harper, but thanks for the pointers. Oh and his voice is pretty darn close to what Canadians feel. We are a very liberal country, and most people that I know do not like Hillary. Sorry, but that is the truth.

ashton's picture

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

Thank you and that is really the story that everyone misses. Both primaries so far have had Dems out-numbering Republicans by huge numbers. While everyone squabbles over who should win a primary, this is the big story and one you don't hear reported.

bubba's picture

Hillary and Obama, really I'm fine either way. I have my preference but I don't have any problems with either outcome.

You'd have to go down about 15 names on the dem list before I'd consider staying home.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Barrett D @ 113:

Obama would be a better "image" to the rest of the world.

This isn't American Idol it's politics and a lot is at stake.

Kathleen's picture

Shawnmeat @ 117:

squiggs @ 69:

Kathleen @ 54:

anon @ 44:

Edwards has been at 17% for the last hour. Does anyone find this odd? Why no movement?

The percentages for Repugs from Huck down haven't changed at all either......I smell something ...and its spelled D.I.E.B.O.L.D.

I love the people crying foul because the person they wanted to win isn't winning.

Welcome to a democracy, fellas! You don't get to hand-pick the winner.

No that is the job for the United States Supreme Court.

RMac's picture

John McCain is really showing his saavy on giving a speech.

Good Lord he CANNOT be the President.....he is WORSE than Bush. At least Bush makes an effort to pretend to be engaging, even if he's mostly wrong and can't speak English. McCain speaks SNOOZE and kills off the audience with a self-inducing coma. What a pathetic show of spontaneous intellect "STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART", er, paper on the podium.

Goon's picture

"This isn’t American Idol it’s politics and a lot is at stake."
You can be the best singer, but you dont get the album deal if you dont win. Even if you think Obama is the Taylor Hicks of candidates, he has what it takes to win. Hillary is a shrill witch with too much personal downside to feel good about voting for.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

If the numbers stay like that, it'll be a landslide Dem win! The difference in numbers is incredible.

Ruthless People's picture

by kos
Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:07:49 PM PST

36.21% of precincts reporting.

Clinton 39.57
Obama 35.95
Edwards 16.69
Richardson 4.60

Hillary should cry some more.

Kathleen's picture

ashton @ 124:

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

Thank you and that is really the story that everyone misses. Both primaries so far have had Dems out-numbering Republicans by huge numbers. While everyone squabbles over who should win a primary, this is the big story and one you don't hear reported.

Yeah those good ole Democrats that voted for an unnecessary and immoral war. Oh they make me feel so confident in my country.

ashton's picture

RMac @ 128:

John McCain is really showing his saavy on giving a speech.

Good Lord he CANNOT be the President.....he is WORSE than Bush. At least Bush makes an effort to pretend to be engaging, even if he's mostly wrong and can't speak English. McCain speaks SNOOZE and kills off the audience with a self-inducing coma. What a pathetic show of spontaneous intellect "STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART", er, paper on the podium.

Oh be nice, it is probably past his bed time. Give the old fella a break. Bingo started early this morning.

TheHustler's picture

I can't believe some of you are hoping for certain results based on how Chris Mathews is going to react to them.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Kathleen @ 132:

ashton @ 124:

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

Thank you and that is really the story that everyone misses. Both primaries so far have had Dems out-numbering Republicans by huge numbers. While everyone squabbles over who should win a primary, this is the big story and one you don't hear reported.

Yeah those good ole Democrats that voted for an unnecessary and immoral war. Oh they make me feel so confident in my country.

You are such a cynic. You would think that the big corporations had big funds invested in Hillary and Obama. Oh wait, they do, don't they? Sorry.

foj's picture

Hate to be a stick in the mud but in the last 2004 primary Dems in NH had a 3 to one advantage in total votes.

Go Edwards!

Goon's picture

Ruthless People @ 122:

Kathleen @ 112:

A Canadian @ 99:

"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"

We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..

and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.

I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.

"Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?"

My guess would be two hits off a bong and one MDMA.

For your information I'm a doctor. One good reason I hate Hillary is her bullshit healthcare position. We all know shes been bought and paid for on this issue already.

mudshark's picture

Ashton....have you read #103 and #120........just wondering.....and yes the news is the turnout.Having a hard time find Obama at the state level......care to help?

budda's picture

I am in shock and will never believe the polls again. Obama was up by 10 or more in every poll. I just cannot believe it.

jerry mcmeans's picture

2 point gap now 36/38, wow it's beginning to look a lot like Obama.

ashton's picture

Kathleen @ 132:

ashton @ 124:

pinkobait @ 116:

Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.

Thank you and that is really the story that everyone misses. Both primaries so far have had Dems out-numbering Republicans by huge numbers. While everyone squabbles over who should win a primary, this is the big story and one you don't hear reported.

Yeah those good ole Democrats that voted for an unnecessary and immoral war. Oh they make me feel so confident in my country.

Ok, I give up. Better that less Democrats turned out and the Republicans out-number the Democrats. That would surely have been a boost to your confidence.

bubba's picture

CNN says the college towns are yet to come in, which worries Hillary's folks.... THis could be tight as hell.

Chicken Little NOT!!'s picture

Shawnmeat @ 117:

Welcome to a democracy, fellas! You don't get to hand-pick the winner.

After the last two presidential elections you don't see a pattern? See there are people who do "get to hand-pick the winner." No skippy we don't have a democracy, a republic or any of that good stuff right now.

As Uncle Joe is purported to have said "It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes."

Guess what skippy, we're not the people who count. You want a Bush OR a Clinton for the next 4 years, you don't ever want to count again (unless you inherit millions and millions of dollars.)

ashton's picture

Goon @ 137:

Ruthless People @ 122:

Kathleen @ 112:

A Canadian @ 99:

"Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?"

My guess would be two hits off a bong and one MDMA.

For your information I'm a doctor. One good reason I hate Hillary is her bullshit healthcare position. We all know shes been bought and paid for on this issue already.

Hey Doc, this is Queen Elizabeth. Nice to meet you. I would invite your for tea an crumpets, but it is getting late.

RobertD's picture

RMac @ 128:

John McCain is really showing his saavy on giving a speech.

Good Lord he CANNOT be the President.....

Don't look now...

Terrible's picture

wisedup @ 79:

Hillary has won, get use to it. Let the neocon crying begin, 3-2-1.

Wow! She won in 48 states that haven't voted yet? Damn that IS impressive!

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Clinton 44,992 39%
Obama 42,039 37%

Ruthless People's picture

Goon @ 137:

Ruthless People @ 122:

Kathleen @ 112:

A Canadian @ 99:

"Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?"

My guess would be two hits off a bong and one MDMA.

For your information I'm a doctor. One good reason I hate Hillary is her bullshit healthcare position. We all know shes been bought and paid for on this issue already.

Hillary's been around longer than Obama, give him some time. He's probably on conference call with Merck and Cigna at this very moment.

mudshark's picture

Maybe Rasputin will help me out? Hey Ras...if you could ,would you help me out for a second?I need some data on Obamas record at the State level....Having a difficult time digging that info up.

EZ's picture

Obama must have handed over his numbers to her. Anything is possible with Clinton/Bush political machine.

Edwards was shunned. This proves that men are still in their ID stage.

Hillary = End of the world

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