January 07, 2008 07:37 PM
Hillary is in the early lead
Reporting 15%
Hillary Clinton 40%
Barack Obama 36%
John Edwards 17%
The Villagers are in shock. Huge voting numbers for the Democratic Party vs Republicans: roughly 2-1
Reporting 15%
Hillary Clinton 40%
Barack Obama 36%
John Edwards 17%
The Villagers are in shock. Huge voting numbers for the Democratic Party vs Republicans: roughly 2-1
nooooooooooo
come on barak
Ugh.
Is it too early? Were the polls dead wrong? Or do they use voting machines and the whole thing is fixed?
'bout time someone came to their senses. Movement, my ass.
Hillary and McCain? What the hell is wrong with people in NH!
it's only a about 2000 votes,,,,
come on Barak.....
ABH!
fear not, it makes no difference, both are owned.
http://counterpunch.org/mokhiber01082008.html
Edwards would be a better choice in my book...But I'd rather see Clinton get it than Obama,she has more experience.Granted she has made some big mistakes on her voting record,but I think she realises that now.Obama has the same voting record as Clinton.And Clinton just has more experience and is better known around the world.Any one of the three would be an improvement regardless of who gets the nomination.But I'm still pulling for Edwards.
Way to go Hilary!
just as long as Edwards stays in 3rd place, we are in good hands with either Hillary or Obama
I like Hilary, but I want no part of monarchy. If she wins, expect to see Jeb Bush next.
Slaw @ 12:
Honestly, do you think anyone with the last name of Bush will ever hold a public office again? I would hate to be unrelated to him, have the last name Bush and only be running for dog catcher.
If that was a dynasty, he burned it to the ground.
how much "experience" does a politician need, sheesh.
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ashton @ 13:
People were saying the same thing about Clinton 8 years ago. Hell, even Al Gore tried to distance himself from the Clintons...
I'm sorry but Bill Clinton got 3% in Iowa in 92. Writing a Clinton obituary is something you only do after they are weighted down and buried.
MSNBC Will Be Devastated And Matthews Will Go Home And Beat His Wife
Although, I have become a Barack Obama supporter, I must say I would love to see Chris Matthews face if Hillary Clinton wins. It would be priceless.
Joseph
NH Dem winners: 1980, Carter; 1984, Hart; 1988, Dukakis; 1992, Tsongas; 2000, Gore; 2004, Kerry.
If you want a President Obama, pray for second place.
ashton @ 13:
I thought that before the 2004 election. I don't trust everyone who wanted to have a beer with W, as they'd probably enjoy one with Jeb as well.
LOL
http://www.freerepublic.com/images/freepathon/donatetoday-vi.jpg
ashton @ 13:
....With Diebold still alive and counting votes? I'd say yes.
BlueTooth @ 16:
Since Hillary had announced that she was running for the Senate at the time, that doesn't exactly make sense.
An excellent point can also be expected when it starts with "People were saying."
Mittens is giving his defeat speech. I don't have android-language closed captioning on my TV.
What the...? On the list of GOP candidates on that Concord Monitor list, who is this "Supreme, Vermin" about 3/4 the way down the list with five votes??
jim @ 15:
The W keys story was a lie. We can thank the MSM for reporting that one...or not.
jim @ 15:
That was proven to be bullshit....where have you been?
Hillary is ahead by almost 3,600 votes now. Wow! The polls were so wrong.
clinton's pulling ahead. up by 4000 now.
What is going on with the lead Obama was supposed to have?
Hmmmm, so have Americans become so stupidified by tv and shows such as American Idol that they are willing to live in a two family dynasty in perpetuity?! Is this how it is going to be:
Bush I (George), 4 yrs
Clinton I (Bill), 8 yrs
Bush II (Chimpy), 8 yrs
Clinton II (HRC), 8 yrs
Bush III (Jeb), 8 yrs
Clinton III (Chelsea), etc, etc, ETC!!!!!
That is NOT DEMOCRACY!!! For Buddha's sake people, THINK!!!
jim @ 15:
Actually, I remember that story being debunked years ago. A conspiracy theory is rather flimsy when it starts with something that is false.
kevin @ 1:
Battle of the 2 unelectables.
Barrett D @ 14:
more than 2 years at the federal level in my book.Plus Obama conveniently missed way to many votes...The Artful Dodger?
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emerald @ 28:
The polls were so wrong. Dieblod is so right as it's counting with no paper trail as we speak.
Perturbed @ 25:
LOL !!
He's got 8 Votes now ! ahahahahaha
I've been collecting pre-race poll data all evening. I have yet to find a poll prior to today that showed Hillary in the lead. To a T, they all polled an Obama lead in NH by as much as 13 points.
Couple this with the video I posted yesterday on DU from BBV revealing that 81% of NH voters would be using an optical scanner with known hackable outdated firmware, and there grows a question whether "the fix was in"?
And speaking of "the fix was in", the NH GOP website listed "McCain's Victory Party" before the polls even opened today. I hope to post a complete update on my blog tomorrow.
i love it when the polls are wrong, it's like throwing a cream pie back the faces of the corporate media and pundtards.
There is nothing better than a close race
Doesn't bother me. It's the same New England loyalty which elected Joe. It won't affect Edwards and Obama, though.
ian @ 31:
mudshark @ 34:
So 7 years at the state level does not count in your books?
The GOP would like to thank you Hampshires for your hurting the Democrats by nominating Hillary.
OH SNAP Obama's coming back:
Clinton
26,130
39%
Obama
23,635
36%
Oh, silly me. http://www.verminsupreme.com/
Sad to see Edwards pulling a third in New Hampshire. But have to give it to him for hanging in there even after the MSM and some of the so called "progressive" media outlets ignored his second place win in Iowa.
Still do not get this Obamarama phenomena. Just what is all this "hope" based on? Have not seen him be an "agent of change" on....anything
Obama fundraising
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/01/sweet_obama_secretive_about_fu.h...
Well... my goonie gracious....
Ya means to tell me that all the pundits and pollsters who told us that Hillary's campaign was dead and the Obama phenomena was a happening thing... WERE DEAD FRICKIN' WRONG?????
I'm no fan of Hillary, but when the media starts serving you up a story with the same intensity that they served up the "runaway bride" story... your bull sh*t detectors better start ringing loud and clear!
It is still early and things might change yet... but many of the MSM as*wipe pundits were giving Obama a 10% to 12% victory and he may yet win, but certainly not by that margin.
Anyone want to give the pundits and pollsters that much credence tomorrow???? Anyone wonder why with only 1% of the voters having their say that they were writing off candidates national campaigns... did any of that BS bother you?
CD @ 43:
Don't repeat stupidity. It makes you look forgetful, and stupid.
I'm stunned....
This feels like after 9/11 when everyone was unified and was in the mood to sacrifice and pull together for change, then three months later, Bush started his fear campaign and the nation fell back to the way it was before. That's how I feel right now. For the last few days, I felt like America may have turned a corner and could finally elect someone who didn't exemplify our past......just to see New Hampshire hit us like a stone wall.
Speaking as a Black man, many in the media were right that it was never a case that I was in love with the Clintons, I just didn't trust this nation to elect a Black man so I didn't get my hopes up. Well, I have no idea how South Carolina will vote now knowing that every other state may go for or against Obama.
I know it's not over, but the fact that she's leading after 25% of the votes is VERY disheartening. At this point I'd almost rather have a third Bush term than a Hillary term. I'm dead serious even though I'll vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.
mudshark @ 9:
Thank you. That is what I think everytime someone bashes Hillary in favor of Obama. They are essentially one in the same, with the only difference being that one of them is a great speaker and the other has more experience.
Obama just pulled ahead of Hillary!
It wasn't the polls that were so wrong. If you trace where it all came from - - it was all GOP spin (from Drudge, Limbaugh, Savage, and their millions of clones). The MSM and the print media just followed Drudge and the others. Now they have been shown to be fools. But they don't give up. Right now the GOP operatives are saying that if Hillary wins, it guarantees her defeat and she will drop out because (they say) the surge in votes for her shows her "desperation". This is the absurd spin they are already spreading for tomorrow. What a sick world.
Hail to the Chimp @ 41:
Not when he misses so many votes.....He wanted the job.He should've shown up and voted....instead of simply voting Present.
anon @ 44:
Edwards has been at 17% for the last hour. Does anyone find this odd? Why no movement?
Hillary Clinton 41%
Barack Obama 35%
John Edwards 17%
Ruthless People @ 51:
where'd you see that?
mudshark @ 53:
Had you read and understood the question, you would have noticed that it mentioned the State level. How many votes did he miss at the State level?
i recall in the liberal leadership race in canada, one of the top candidates had zero political experience, never had been elected, he was regarded as an intellectual. he was actually the top contender, but a lesser known, much more "experienced" man unexpectedly won. people regret that now....
Yeah, I think there is a certain reaction to the media hype here... If the media hadnt pissed on Hillarys head quite so hard she might not have done so well. Maybe people sensed a lynching and rallied to her.
"At this point I’d almost rather have a third Bush term than a Hillary term"
Your a poor GOP shill, that's for sure.
Will Hillary's sober experience and brains win over Obama's hope and fluffy bs rhetoric---I hope so- I'm already sick of O. he'd make a good AG or something---but president of the USA????---LOL
anon @ 56:
I pulled it out of my ass.
Ruthless People @ 62:
Please wash your hands before you type anything else.
mudshark @ 53:
Phony talking point--he was following the party plan to fight no-win votes on abortion.
Mugsy @ 38:
The same thing can be shown here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Slaw @ 12:
This is sad that anyone would want to see another Bush in power????????
ashton @ 57:
Now you're nit picking......the question was related to MY Books...was it not?.
jim @ 36:
There IS a paper trail! All NH ballots are paper and optical scanned.
Kathleen @ 54:
The percentages for Repugs from Huck down haven't changed at all either......I smell something ...and its spelled D.I.E.B.O.L.D.
mudshark @ 66:
I don't care about your books, answer the question.
BULLSzHIT. This is thievery.
ok...hang on...I'll be right back.So put the knifes away.
ashton @ 63:
I just spit on this computer. Funny
Well if you look at the bright side. McCain won in 2000 over Bush in NH by 18%!!
ss @ 61:
I know you meant it sarcastically and it hadn't occurred to me... but Obama would make a fantastic Attorney General with his knowledge of constitutional law and as we have seen that post is absolutely vital to a free republic... we could use someone of his stature there for sure.
Joseph (at 18) said it all...
The look on Chris Matthews' face when he has to pronounce Hillary the winner tonight... well, THAT will be worth staying up for!
Even if Obama wins... it will be a SQUEEKER. Tweety will have to admit, after trying to BURY the Clinton Campaign for the last MONTH... that she is still alive.
ashton @ 69:
I don't like your tone .........calm down.
If Hillary wins the nom I will not vote in the general. She is the wrong person for this country. She will continue the iraq war and bush's wire tapping and torture policies
Hillary has won, get use to it. Let the neocon crying begin, 3-2-1.
not stupid @ 65:
Frankly, I thought the sad part was the logic. If A happens next November, then B will happen in 4 years. I wish these people would do something productive and use their future predicting skills by supplying winning lottery numbers.
Terrible @ 67:
Smart
wisedup @ 78:
Why would they cry? They want her to win.
Hillary is giving Obama a haircut. Sheesh things change quick.
CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 75:
First on Hillary's revenge list? Edwards for sand bagging her in Obamas favor at the last debates.
The Clintons never forget.
CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 75:
matthews is always talking about Clinton..every night. the candidate Roman boy has tried to bury is Edwards
dear America,
if you fuck this up by electing Hillary over Obama, I don't know man - I'll be very disappointed with your constant decisions to fuck everything up.
way to go.
Ruthless People @ 84:
still waiting for them to focus on the folks who tried their best to take Clinton out. Oh those would be the folks funding Hillary now
jparso3 @ 77:
IIRC, Obama and Hillary have almost identical positions on "careful withdrawl" designed to pressure the Iraqi government..... I mean, you knew that kucinich wasnt going to win, right?
A Canadian @ 87:
Dear America,
As a Canadian, I ask you to please disregard the previous Canuck.
A Canadian @ 87:
Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?
Kathleen @ 80:
Optically scanned and counted by a computer!
ashton @ 79:
You forget that what happens in November will last for 4 years. One of the things the 27%ers rejoiced in when W came to office was that he could redeem the office following his father's defeat. You don't think there will be nutjobs using the same logic in 4 years?
You Go Girl!
And the computers are on Hillary's side. Shhhhh.
bubba @ 88:
Unfortunately, as I've said a million times, far too many individuals gather political opinions via osmosis and little else. It's pretty sad, but since Clinton's a popular target, this is what you get.
Way to go Hillary ! Hope it holds up , if only to make Chris Matthews look stupid or stupider . MSNBC's coverage has been terrible and very negative.Chris started a fight with DeeDee Myers and she was horrified with the way she was treated by Tweety. Have continued to watch this network, only to see how bad it will really get.
A Canadian @ 86:
I don't know Canadian, one could make a strong case that electing either of them is a fuck up. Edwards being the only one capable and ready to take on the establishment and turn things around in this country.
Listening to those Celine Dion CDs may have had a negative effect on your rationale processing.
Slaw @ 92:
What? I am well aware that what will happen in November hasn't yet happened. You are the one who thinks you have a crystal ball.
"Canadian what do you base your love for Obama on?"
We dont get to choose what annoying nakedly ambitious status quo liar we get to see for 4-8 years. you do. The idea of watching Hillary bounce around the world, giving addresses, etc horrifies me..
and thats IF she gets elected, which I'm sorry, she doesnt have nearly as good a chance about, especially if its vs McCain.
I hate to tell you this, but image DOES mean something to the rest of the world.
What happened to "seabiscuit"?
Fil @ 11:
wed be in better hands with allstate!!!!!!!!!
rend @ 8:
Yeah it's a good point. It's doesn't matter which one wins, because the same people control them both. Looks like Barackstar has received a lot of money from Excelon (opensecrets.org). No wonder he likes nuclear power so much. I like the way Excelon runs nuclear plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Cities_Nuclear_Generating_Station
What could be the possible danger in running a reactor outside of the original engineering design specifications? What could that possibly hurt???
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/missed/ .
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/missed... federal level. I'll be right back...looking for the state level
A Canadian @ 99:
Indeed, my image of Canada is falling rapidly.
wisedup @ 79:
When you say neocon, do you mean Hillary or the Republican neocons?
ABC. . . Hillary . . . The Empire Strikes Back.
McMedia at it's finest.
Kathleen @ 100:
She's in the lead!!!! Good thing Bubba slapped some Clintonism into her campaign and got the old girls swooning again. LOL! Wow.......visions of GWB2000 or what? Rupert Murdock must be smilin' away right now. His girl is in da lead!!
Only a 3 point lead now, Obama is still the man.
In any event, I figured the results for New Hampshire would end up this way - for Republicans as well as Democrats. And if history is any indication, the rest of the nation will be closer to New Hampshire than Iowa.
I thought it was funny when many bitter and hateful Obama supporters were saying that this was 'the end' for Clinton, because she is still likely to be the next President of the United States. But even then, my opinion of who will win isn't tied to who I like best. If I thought Clinton was likely to lose, I'd say so. But Iowa was barely indicative of anything at all.
It's funny watching people get mad that their CFR controlled robot is getting beat by other CFR controlled robots.
Baa!
"Indeed, my image of Canada is falling rapidly."
yeah, well whatever.
I'm very liberal, but if I were American, I wouldnt even vote Hillary in the general, even if she was against Bush. The Clintons actions on this campaign disgust me. I seriously can't stand this awful woman.
A Canadian @ 99:
Image based on a spin machine spewing out "hope" and an "agent of change" based on what? Obama has been sitting on the fence for two years.
Image without substance is a void...or Brittany Spears. I just do not get the Obamarama phenomena ...I guess I would have had to have been brought up with the image generation.
Just what do the youth base their fascination with Obama on?
Obama would be a better "image" to the rest of the world.
A Canadian @ 99:
You are not the Voice of Canada, dude. And it's a good thing too, because you would make Canucks look life ignorant repeaters of misleading rhetoric.
tyree @ 101:
yeah with both Hillary and Obama the dead lock on lobbying will be maintained
Well the good news is the huge numbers for Dems.
squiggs @ 69:
I love the people crying foul because the person they wanted to win isn't winning.
Welcome to a democracy, fellas! You don't get to hand-pick the winner.
pinkobait @ 116:
In both primaries thus far, to boot!
As someone who likes all Democrats involved, and is terrified of the Republicans, this is thrilling. I wish more people could be happy for their party instead of trying to hang a noose around one or more members they happen to disagree with.
The Obama wave has crashed.
Clinton wins New Hampshire.
Clinton/Obama 08.
http://www.factcheck.org/obamas_creative_clippings.html ...Still looking for the State Level...but heres something to read.Obama.
ConcernedCanuck @ 107:
CEO's smiling...
Kathleen @ 112:
My guess would be two hits off a bong and one MDMA.
Shawnmeat @ 114:
Um..we already have a Bush-lite in Harper, but thanks for the pointers. Oh and his voice is pretty darn close to what Canadians feel. We are a very liberal country, and most people that I know do not like Hillary. Sorry, but that is the truth.
pinkobait @ 116:
Thank you and that is really the story that everyone misses. Both primaries so far have had Dems out-numbering Republicans by huge numbers. While everyone squabbles over who should win a primary, this is the big story and one you don't hear reported.
Hillary and Obama, really I'm fine either way. I have my preference but I don't have any problems with either outcome.
You'd have to go down about 15 names on the dem list before I'd consider staying home.
Barrett D @ 113:
This isn't American Idol it's politics and a lot is at stake.
Shawnmeat @ 117:
No that is the job for the United States Supreme Court.
John McCain is really showing his saavy on giving a speech.
Good Lord he CANNOT be the President.....he is WORSE than Bush. At least Bush makes an effort to pretend to be engaging, even if he's mostly wrong and can't speak English. McCain speaks SNOOZE and kills off the audience with a self-inducing coma. What a pathetic show of spontaneous intellect "STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART", er, paper on the podium.
"This isn’t American Idol it’s politics and a lot is at stake."
You can be the best singer, but you dont get the album deal if you dont win. Even if you think Obama is the Taylor Hicks of candidates, he has what it takes to win. Hillary is a shrill witch with too much personal downside to feel good about voting for.
pinkobait @ 116:
If the numbers stay like that, it'll be a landslide Dem win! The difference in numbers is incredible.
by kos
Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 06:07:49 PM PST
36.21% of precincts reporting.
Clinton 39.57
Obama 35.95
Edwards 16.69
Richardson 4.60
Hillary should cry some more.
ashton @ 124:
Yeah those good ole Democrats that voted for an unnecessary and immoral war. Oh they make me feel so confident in my country.
RMac @ 128:
Oh be nice, it is probably past his bed time. Give the old fella a break. Bingo started early this morning.
I can't believe some of you are hoping for certain results based on how Chris Mathews is going to react to them.
Kathleen @ 132:
You are such a cynic. You would think that the big corporations had big funds invested in Hillary and Obama. Oh wait, they do, don't they? Sorry.
Hate to be a stick in the mud but in the last 2004 primary Dems in NH had a 3 to one advantage in total votes.
Go Edwards!
Ruthless People @ 122:
For your information I'm a doctor. One good reason I hate Hillary is her bullshit healthcare position. We all know shes been bought and paid for on this issue already.
Ashton....have you read #103 and #120........just wondering.....and yes the news is the turnout.Having a hard time find Obama at the state level......care to help?
I am in shock and will never believe the polls again. Obama was up by 10 or more in every poll. I just cannot believe it.
2 point gap now 36/38, wow it's beginning to look a lot like Obama.
Kathleen @ 132:
Ok, I give up. Better that less Democrats turned out and the Republicans out-number the Democrats. That would surely have been a boost to your confidence.
CNN says the college towns are yet to come in, which worries Hillary's folks.... THis could be tight as hell.
Shawnmeat @ 117:
After the last two presidential elections you don't see a pattern? See there are people who do "get to hand-pick the winner." No skippy we don't have a democracy, a republic or any of that good stuff right now.
As Uncle Joe is purported to have said "It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes."
Guess what skippy, we're not the people who count. You want a Bush OR a Clinton for the next 4 years, you don't ever want to count again (unless you inherit millions and millions of dollars.)
Goon @ 137:
Hey Doc, this is Queen Elizabeth. Nice to meet you. I would invite your for tea an crumpets, but it is getting late.
RMac @ 128:
wisedup @ 79:
Wow! She won in 48 states that haven't voted yet? Damn that IS impressive!
Clinton 44,992 39%
Obama 42,039 37%
Goon @ 137:
Hillary's been around longer than Obama, give him some time. He's probably on conference call with Merck and Cigna at this very moment.
Maybe Rasputin will help me out? Hey Ras...if you could ,would you help me out for a second?I need some data on Obamas record at the State level....Having a difficult time digging that info up.
Obama must have handed over his numbers to her. Anything is possible with Clinton/Bush political machine.
Edwards was shunned. This proves that men are still in their ID stage.
Hillary = End of the world
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