January 07, 2008 06:18 AM
The First NH Votes Are In And ...
With the caveat that it's too early to be reading anything into it but the voting began at midnight and the first two villages in new Hampshire are reporting and it's Obama and McCain so far in both.
[I]t's important to note that the results don't necessarily foretell an outcome. For example, Wesley Clark won both villages in the 2004 primary, while coming in way behind John Kerry and Howard Dean statewide.
The Concord Monitor's Primary Monitor Blog will be posting the results as they come in.
Paul on Leno, Huckabee on Letterman.
Think Paul got special dispensation from the WGA to be a scab?
Know this - Obama's win will be indicative of something much larger than those in the Clinton camp wish to admit; I'm not talking about race or change or any of the worn out memes. What I'm talking about is the fundamental need in this country for a President we can rely on. Voters don't get that when looking at Hillary and people would rather choose Obama than Edwards, it is a simple fact. We as Democrats, we as a nation can get more out of Barack Obama than we ever could with Hillary Clinton; she'd make a great President if she were also the House and Senate. Obama will make a great President, period.
JESUS! WE DON'T NEED A VOTE BY VOTE UPDATE!!!!!!
Bush and Chanet arn't leaving so this is all moot...
Someone wake me when it's over. I have political overload today. No one on tv can say anything about this race that hasn't been said before and before and before. :(
The Republican race is more volatile and strange than the steady race on the Democrat race.
it's early in the morning, but seeing Paul's name and not Giuliani's puts a smile on my face.
If Paul continues to outperform Giuliani and Thompson early on........ that is so awesome to see Giuliani get left to dry
Clay @ 2:
Yeah, just like the Kerry primary victory was indicative that democratic primary voters had their heads way up their asses. It was a new day in America. ha.
An Obama win says more about people's desire to jump behind a perceived winner than anything else.
bubba @ 7:
And what was your response to Iowa? It should be relatively easy to explain seeing as how you already have one for New Hampshire. Hillary was the perceived winner for months, the voters didn't curl up and vote for her. You're definately not giving the voters enough credit, sure sometimes they (we) pick a bad one, not this time.
Dixville Notch is usually republican leaning. Seldom has dem majority....Hmmmm
LOL, the republicans think John McCain will save them in November. He claims paying the Sunni insurgents in Iraq $10 a day not to fight us represents change. Republicans are really stupid to buy this argument. They are even willing to overlook his amnesty vote. Republicans have become so pathetic.
Well, in Iowa a few thousand people picked Obama over Clinton, just as Kerry beat Dean, and suddenly the national landscape shifted.
It's the same with the war, people loved it when it started. They were going to win! Gloriously banish evil. Oh lets fucking march down the street banging pots and pans... Then it didnt go so well and they didnt like it anymore. Uh-oh. The american people didn't reason their way out of that paper bag either.
So suddenly Obama wins Iowa and NH shifts 10-15 points? They all listened to his rhetoric that night and fell in love? I call bullshit. They'll let him sweep every state, just like Kerry, and it will have no more meaning. Just a big feel good parade.
bubba @ 7:
You don't want to win? Are dems so set in always losing, by destroying themselves? Once again it seems like some dems are already admitting defeat.
Clay @ 2:
Obamas voting record is damn near the exact same as Hillary Clintons.........two peas in a pod.
bubba @ 11:
you're right... so far all the candidates are just an extension of bush... i am sad to say that there is nobody worthing sitting in the poll lines for.
And what's with this dig at Hillary with the "not refighting the battles of the past" rhetoric? That's some balls from a guy who has MLK riding shotgun on his shoulder like obi wan kenobi.
Glass houses indeed.
below_me @ 14:
What bullshit. To say Obamaor or Edwards are just extensions of bush is just dumb.
I need coffee, I can't type this morning.
Yeah, I dont buy that. Neither Hillary, Obama or Edwards are the second coming but to say they are no better than republican scum is just nuts.
That's the same naderite bullshit that said Gore was the same as Bush. That prediction should go down with "cakewalk" as one of the dumbest slogans ever uttered by a bipedal lifeform.
diamondmc @ 16:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
below_me @ 19:
So what you are saying is Obama and Edwards are just necons in dems clothing?
Wow, you mean the 24/7 bullcrap propaganda we've been getting from the MSM for the last week has been correct! I'm surprised!
There's a huge movement building, driven by under 30 voters, Irag vets and women. The question is will dems seize the moment and take this wave all the way to the whitehouse? If history repeats itself, dems will destory themselves and then spend the next 4 years crying about the election. Defeatism seems to be the only thing that dems are good at. I have a hard time understanding why we can't keep our eyes on the prize.
Vote cast for Obama.
I just heard on MSN that Obama has been trying to broker a peace plan in Kenya. He has contacted people in Kenya and talked to sec. rice about what the bush admin is doing.
Duncan Hunter's praying to his imaginary friend he gets more than the 515 votes he got in Iowa
Oh yes, the idiot who has only helped drive the final nail in our economy with a war NO ONE is paying for (yet) is going to fix us good with permanent tax cuts.
We’re staying the course on the path of stupidity and by God we won’t stop until the job is done.
jr @ 25:
His friend is not answering the phone.
Clay @ 2:
Really? Why is his record identical to Hillary's voting record?
Literally...
So you prefer a smug seeming, all light and no substance person? What do you base your assertion on?
He doesn't take a stand on anything controversial.
The hate for Hillary is ridiculous. No one can name anything rational for it; everything they accuse her of, the same can be said for alot of male politicians.
Irrational.
Bush the Liar @ 10:
They should look very carefully at who he would select as his VP. He may not last the 4 years and then we'd have WHO? Lieberman? If that's not a scary thought - what is?
Well, on the Republican side of the New Hampshire primary the sexual tension is running very high. Very high indeed. At least from the looks of the Washington Post's headline this morning:
diamondmc @ 22:
The only reason we'll be crying is that Obama can't win the White House.
bubba @ 18:
Couldn't agree with you more. I hold Nader personally responsible for the right-wing take-over of the Supreme Court.
diamondmc @ 24:
If true, then that would be the stupidest thing -- by far -- that I've heard of him doing.
The fact is, Hillary has more votes where it counts so far..the Superdelegate votes.
This is not mentioned in the media. Even if Hillary loses NH, she's far from done.
After living in Chicago, and Obama being who he is, I have decided I will not vote for him. At first I was thinking any Dem over any Republican; well, if the republican is McCain, I'll go with him instead.
Josh @ 28:
Hillary is the past. The country dose not want another clinton. We had enough of bush/clinton dynasty. For better or worse dems seem to going with Obama as the figure of change. Only time will tell if this is true or not. To your other point can you show us how Obama and Hillary are the same?
The total Dem votes from the two towns is Obama 16, Clinton 3, Edwards 3. In other words, Hillary places a distant second without outperforming Edwards AGAIN. The shape of things to come?
Should be so exciting!
moondancer @ 9:
That might qualify as the understatement of the year. In Dixville Notch, Ivan the Terrible is thought of as a commie pinko liberal.
JTM @ 33:
Ya, getting people to stop killing one another is really stupid. What a stupid thing to say.
I would not be so bold to predict who will win the slamdown in NH, although given all that I have heard from the pollsters, this race belongs to McCain and Obama.
One thing is sure, given the turnout in Iowa and what is predicted in NH, something new is occuring-- but I will keep my fingers crossed,until February 5- SuperDuper Day, to confirm if this is truly significant of anything, or its just about a wild phase in American politics.
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I'm rooting for Ron Paul. He is not a bush clone. Bush is a wannabe who shot himself in the foot by never having to eat food on plastic plates and didn't know how to swim without someone holding him above the water. As in he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth with someone supporting him every inch of the way. It's nice to have a rich daddy. Ron Paul has to win, otherwise I'm moving to Canada.
krob @ 41:
Bye, Ron Paul voted over 80% of the time with his repug party. I like his stand on the war, but I don't trust him by just looking at his voting record. The last time I looked he was running as a repug not as a indepentent.
diamondmc @ 39:
I can see why you might say that (without assuming that you're being a jerk).
Can you see why I might say what I did (without assuming that I'm being stupid)?
Josh @ 34:
Actually, yesterday The Nation had a big column up about the Super Delegates as did a few other blogs. But before since Iowa the stories are leaking out that those Hillary SuperDelegates are beginning to jump ship in droves.
I posted to it yesterday. An excerpt:
yellow dog @ 38:
Yep, the majority of the voters are Independents.
JTM @ 43:
No. explain it to me.
New Hampshire voters beware. Are your votes being recorded properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
krob @ 41:
Hey, don't feel bad about your guy's chances. The Republican winner of the Iowa caucuses didn't get a single vote in the first polling place.
If the fix is in New Hampshire we will find out tonight. Hillary then will be the winner on the dems side and Romney for the repugs. We shall see.
diamondmc @ 49:
Check this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
Will the fate of Obama's cousin portend the US election?
Number One With A Bullet
Bush and Chaney arn't going anywhere...these elections won't happen..
bubba @ 18:
Dear Bubba, If you would just consider a few things for a moment. Do you know the Bushes and Clintons vacation together? Think about the marriage between Mary Matalin (Repub strategist) and Carville (Dem strategist). The 2 parties have merged into one many years ago but they keep the Left vs Right mind set going because you've heard of the saying divide and conquer. Both parties are bought and paid for corporate whores. That's why the Dems never put an end to the Iraq war even though the people voted them in to do so. It's why every single election cycle has the same "problems" that The People are concerned with because they won't be changed because the corporations who really run this country want to be it down and very, very few get the the level of Congress or President wth out being a sellout. Your country, your freedom are gone no matter who wins.
It seems like maybe the msn has lost controll over the process. There hand picked winner for the dems may be going down in flames. Hillary was the person the msn wanted. What seems to be happening instead is the voters so far have a differant idea of who they want. The msn is now trying to catch up. For now,they are following instead of leading the voters.
Jewel @ 53:
Boo,hoo all is lost. Nothing will change so why try. The rapture is coming for america. BS. I will try to chip away as best I can. Obama or Edwards would be a step in the right direction nomatter how small. And by the way, Hillary is toast.
don @ 52:
Now that's what I call fearmongering!
Jewel @ 53:
Unless the country wakes up and votes for the candidate that truly represents the American people and has not been bought by special interests. He is the candidate that represents real change. He's the voice of the people that the corporations are successfully muffling.
Show the world that the American people won't be control by the corporate media. Support the candidate what will get us out of Iraq, will establish universal health care for all Americans and will restore the constitution.
Dennis Kucinich 08 - The candidate the represents the people, not the corporations.
rocknation @ 36:
Wow, New Hampshire, with it's total of 4(FOUR), yes only 4 electoral votes is now the
determining factor as to who the Dem. nominee will be. WTF? Guess the yeast of us
registered voters in the remaining 48 States who are holding Primaries should just
forget about going to the Polls since the MSM has already decided for us who will
win. What a bunch of BS
diamondmc @ 55:
I'm not boo hooing. Just stating a fact.
if diebold doesnt get to decide the 08 election and clinton or obama are the only choices for a voter , we will loose , clinton and obama are corporation bought and corporation paid for , you dont take thier money and not pay it back twofold, if this electons about change obama or clinton offer nothing but more of the same, originaly im for kucinich but ill settle for edwards because kucinich has been effectively been blocked out by the media , if edwards is sincere and delivers on his prommises we will come as close to beating these corporation leaches as were going to, i wont settle for more of the same , war ,haliburton , my libertys being taken away by crooked politicians , if you want more of the same as youve had with cheny bush vote for it, vote clinton or obama!!!!!!!!!!!
tyree @ 60:
Check this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
Doggiebobo @ 58:
But the MSN was wrong. Hillary was there pick and Obama/Edwards seem to be who the voters so far are picking. The rest of us will have our chance in the upcoming primaries. The msm wanted a Obama to be just good enough to make Hillary look strong. So far that isn't working out the way they planned. Edwards was there to be the guy who was to far to the left to get elected, and so make Hillary look strong. That also hasn't went as planned. It maybe a small crack, but maybe us voters can dive a bigger wedge in that crack.
Jewel @ 59:
What facts? All I read was opinion.
diamondmc @ 62:
Oh, I agree with your observation as to the MSM and how it initially was pushing Hilllary.
All I am saying is that with New Hampshire voters being primarily "Independent"(as history
has shown and proven), it just seems absurd that a State w/soooooo few(4elec.votes)that the results of N.Hampshire will have an actual impact upon the needed 270 Electoral Votes to win. It's almost as if the MSM thinks that we registered voters are Lemmings
and will automatically follow suit and do as those in N.Hampshire.
I saw the film clip of Hillary supposedly bawling over the results lately.
She mostly sounded tired. She choked a little but she sounds disappointed that she may not be able to serve "to serve her country."
That actually sounds patriotic on one side, but distressingly like an identification between self and policy that has been the bane of the boosh msadministration.
OliverDreams @ 57:
I agree with most of what you say and I think you understand how corrupt our country is but I don't understand how you will feel good about turning over the most important aspect of life, health care, to such a corrupt group such as this gov. There will be mandates such as the HPV vaccine for your daughter because they "care" about her and limited holistic treatments because many, many have proven to work over the $$$ making of Big Pharma. (Lipitor, Zocor very expensive and have very harmful effects to the body but they bring that cholesterol # down vs Red Yeast Rice that drops cholesterol very effectively, alot cheaper and it doesn't have the sides effects.)
Jewel @ 66:
Hey, I want that crystal ball of yours. Mine is not working on the future of who is going to do what.
diamondmc @ 42:
So... you think party affiliation is more important than voting record? Ugh... There is not much difference between the 2 parties anymore, they both are for big government, they both are completely irresponsible with spending, spending more money than they raise with taxes.
If you want to find someone worth voting for, you have to look at the individual. A good hint of who is worth voting for is looking to who the MSM seems to snubb. The MSM is only going to back candidates that are not going to cut off the gravy train to the MIC (the MIC effectively owns the MSM... follow the ownership of the corporations).
Make sure the future of our electoral process is secure...
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We need to fight on all fronts.
noitaluspacne @ 68:
Considering what the repugs have given us the last 8 years. War,tax cuts for the rich, Give aways to the insurance co., blackwater,K street and so on and so fourth. At this point and time in history, party is as important as voting record.
Jewel @ 66:
I am sure there would be some problems implementing universal health care, but even bad health care is better than none at all. The present system has you pay insurance companies thousands of dollars only to be denied the health care you need when the time comes. The doctors are forced to pay huge insurance premiums, which are passed on to the patients. And Hillary and Obamas answer is to give tax money to the insurance companies to insure some kids. Those kids don't need insurance, they need health care.
Health Care is a right in the other 39 industrialized countries in the world. Why not here?
Kucinich 08
mudshark @ 13:
exactly so!
Obama is wearing Kerry's coat - a republican insider. Obama will give the victory to John McCain who is the favorite of Chris Mathews and the MSM.
This election stinks with too many bribes.
EZ @ 73:
Got some facts for that outcome?
tyree @ 60:
if diebold doesnt get to decide the 08 election and clinton or obama are the only choices for a voter , we will loose , clinton and obama are corporation bought and corporation paid for , you dont take thier money and not pay it back twofold, if this electons about change obama or clinton offer nothing but more of the same, originaly im for kucinich but ill settle for edwards because kucinich has been effectively been blocked out by the media , if edwards is sincere and delivers on his prommises we will come as close to beating these corporation leaches as were going to, i wont settle for more of the same , war ,haliburton , my libertys being taken away by crooked politicians , if you want more of the same as youve had with cheny bush vote for it, vote clinton or obama!!!!!!!!!!!
Check this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
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I agree. Obama and Clinton should be exposed by Edwards and others.
No..74, we can make an association by watching the past behavior.
EZ @ 76:
No facts then, just a hunch.
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diamondmc @ 70:
uh huh... and if you looked at the individual candidates, you would see that they don't have the same exact positions on these issues, even within their own party. Only when you dump them all in the R bucket and D bucket can you make these broad generalizations. This is exactly what makes the partisan programming of the MSM so dangerous.
Seeing things as only one extreme or the other is exactly what makes us so easy to control. "You either with us or you are with the terrorists". "If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops". All you need is a little bit of fear, and you can make people change positions from one extreme to the other...
I live in a state where a lot of older dems voted for bush because they bought into the idea that we shouldn't change leaders in the middle of the war. John McCain will carry that vote again and Iowa unfortunately go to McCain.
I agree with Jen #80. You guys are all having an Obama wet dream and the media is taking you all for a big ride! I Listened to Oreilly today on his radio show. It's Edwards they are scared shitless of getting the nomination. OReilly Likes Obama - thinks he's a nice guy. He hates Edwards. That tells you something dummies doesn' t it. Wake up Progressives before it's too late. Don't believe me, listen to Bill Oreilly today. Hear for yourself!
What time do the polls close? 8pm?
The polls close at 8PM.
diamondmc @ 12:
You don't want to win? Are dems so set in always losing, by destroying themselves? Once again it seems like some dems are already admitting defeat.
This is why I registered independent a long time ago. Screw political parties. You think that just because a Democrat wins, America wins? Bullshit! Probably the only Democrat that isn't a whore is Kucinich. The propagandists have already convinced the voting public that he "can't win". Although I gotta say, his instructing his supporters to go Obama is disappointing.
Kucinich is of course in trouble with his party bosses for not pledging to support whatever Democrat, the same way Paul is pissing off Republicans for not pledging to support whatever fascist neocon they choose. POLITICAL PARTIES SUCK!
About a year ago, it was all but determined that Hillary and McCain would be the nominees. Depressing. More of the same. But something happened on the way to the White House-the people rebelled. It is appearing much more likely that the nation will avoid Hillary, McCain, and Rudy. Hurray.
Hillary’s problem was “premature triangulation.” Hill actually wrote a flag burning amendment-then there were the votes on attacking Iraq, and the Iranian Guard terrorist amendment. She played the American people for fools. As it turned out, she might have been in much better shape if she’d been true to herself.
Delicious irony.
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