Chris Matthews stands behind his words
By John Amato Friday Jan 11, 2008 12:01pm 
Chris Matthews has been taking a lot of heat over his vitriolic analysis of Hillary Clinton's political career during MSNBC's coverage of the NH primary. Is it possible that Hillary might have won her Senate seat without the scandal that Bill was involved in? Of course it is. He actually tries to say that his take was historical fact and not opinion. Huh? Here's Tweety on The Scar saying that he was taken out of context by the ladies of The View.
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"Those are this historic facts, Barbara and the other woman, those are the historic facts. I know how you play to a crowd, I know how talk radio works, which is the way a lot of programs work, where you find something to argue about," Matthews said.
And if Barbara Walters wants to debate history and politics and what's happened in this country in the last 50 years, if she wants to go on Jeopardy! and see what she knows and what I know, I'll take her on.
If any of the women on that show want to take me on on historic, political information, let's have a -- let's raise some money for charity; it'd be kind of an interesting way to do it. Let's talk political history, let's talk facts -- not opinion, facts -- and I'll take them on.
Having a deep historical perspective on the political process is invaluable to an audience except when it's warped to fit a particular point of view. And bringing up talk radio is not that helpful either. I've seen a few arguments by teevee pundits in my time. Later in the segment, Mika Brzezinski finally makes a good point:
Hillary Clinton laid the ground work before she was victimized, before she was humiliated. She worked to put her husband into office. She played a huge roll in her husband's campaign and her presidency and her experience does play to an extent as to why she won as well....
Media Matters has a CM petition going: "It's time to play a little "hardball." Please contact MSNBC and Chris Matthews today and let them know what you think." Sign up if you have a chance.
I know we're spending a lot of time on CM, but his behavior is indicative of the many villagers that populate the political discourse in our country. Digby nails it as usual.
One of the things the village idiots like Matthews continuously fail to understand is that voters don't like the media trying to "take down" politicians on their own, against the will of the people. We inconvenient citizens don't have much in this system but the right to vote for our representatives --- when these elites decide all on their own that we've made the wrong choice (or that we're about to) we tend to get a little bit testy.
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Tweety is an asshat, plain & simple.
Mika was on Morning Joe w/Scarborough the week before the primaries and they interviewed a 13-year old girl who was interviewing candidates for Scholastic -- Matthews could have used the schooling this girl gave Scarborough when he asked "In your opinion, who gave the most interesting interview?" To which the little munchkin replied, "As a journalist, I try to keep my opinions out of the story" -- !!! Mika about fell off her chair.
Heh heh take THAT, Tweety!
All of the MSM's (including Tweety's) blathering after New Hampshire is a red herring to get people off topic . The vote was hacked . Just one more invisible elephant in the room .
His fifteen minutes are up.
Hillary touched him. He swooned. And then later he jacked to the memory.
Everything else is foreplay to this individual Holy Grail moment of Wankery.
So everyone put out your cigarettes already, and leave that prick alone in his shame.
Talk about an ego! Mathews has painted himself into a corner and refuses to swallow his pride and admit he made a mistake. I guess he acts as juvenile as he looks. Why doesn't he just take his ball and go home?
No, that would be asking too much.
Per Mathews, we'll all vote for Hillary out of sympathy for that poor woman who was the victim of a philandering husband. In case no one noticed, there are a few ISSUES out there that need to be addressed. Mathews' (and the country's) idea of political discourse makes me feel like I just smoked an entire bowl of seeds before attending a Ted Nugent concert.
John:
You say that "Mika Brzezinski finally makes a good point:
'Hillary Clinton laid the ground work before she was victimized, before she was humiliated.'"
I don't think that Hillary Clinton was humiliated. That would be Bill Clinton. He had to provide sperm samples for Christ's sake.
Hillary Clinton was a model of dignity throughout the whole sordid process.
I do agree with what you said about her election as Senator. She won based on the energy of her campaign in New York which was tireless and intelligent. To attribute her success to her husband's scandalous behavior is not only sexist and stupid on the part of Chris Matthews, but also ignorant. He doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
Bit NOLA @ 4:
To which I respectfully say, amen brother. (or sister)
The day Olbermann includes Matthews as worst person is the day I'll include Olbermann with the likes of Murrow and Cronkite.
There are 3 explanations to the voting pattern in NH:
1) Democrats are closet racists
2) Everybody said "Awwww poor Hillary!" and voted for her, all glory to Tweety
3) Diebold Fraud*
*The 3rd explanations is only for nut jobs, crazies and people who hate America. We the media go with #1.
mathews voted for bush twice. enough said.
Watching or listening to CM is always a chore. He is getting as bad as Bill the bloody Kristol. He is almost always wrong, says some of the most ridiculous things and then tries to make excuses for his statements.
I have to agree with John Stewart when he said Matthew is insane. Why can't MSNBC pick someone else to co-host the primaries with Keith Olbermann?
Tweety and joe have got to go. MSNBC is slowly getting the message that these guys are only in it for the personal egos. America does NOT want their opinions,because they lie,flip flop only for their dropping ratings. The sheep are waking up,enough of the BS.
*Getting people off topic* is also the goal of those reacting to Matthews.
From Keith Olbermann to C&L to MoveOn to the Clintons, the whole game is about depoliticizing politics. None of these people want to be forced to take a real position on anything and so they use race, gender, Chris Matthews, or whatever to try and change the subject.
"This is not about politics.* - Barbara Boxer, on explaining her support of Joe Lieberman in the 2006 Connecticut Senate race
Olberman never fails to report the latest fluff about Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton, while feigning disdain.
Digby -- didn't she write that infamous post about Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey? It is interesting that she still has credibility on this site.
What a pompous fuck stick.
I think he's just projecting.
He's the one that wants to be "humiliated" and "victimized".
Preferably by Hillary dressed up as Illsa, She-Wolf of the SS.
She could pee in his mouth and slam her high heels into his "hardballs"
Would you like that Tweety? Would ya?
I bet he's into poop play as well.
Here's my little bit of opinion I sent to MSNBC... I actually might pay to watch such a charitable debate between Walters and Matthews... with some limitations, restrictions, etc...
I have been an MSNBC watcher for many years. I usually disagree with most of what Chris Matthews says but lately it's becoming unbearable to watch. At times he gets a good dose of reality when he has good guests that can get a word in while he blathers on and on with wordy, descriptive questions. His "take" on Hillary Clinton is becoming more than I can watch. His wording is bias to say the least, insulting not only to Clinton, but to many women who have lived with a cheating husband and stood by their commitment to make a marriage work through the problems. He is a black-eye for MSNBC. He's issued a challenge to Barbara Walters to a Jeapordy game-show for charity competition to prove his descriptive interpretations of Hillary's "history" has some merit. But there must be ground rules. No adjectives, just facts: dates, exact wording used at the time. Chris must be wired to some tazer lite device that would zap him when we goes into his wordy mode. I would watch that in a heart-beat because Matthews would implode with the talking restrictions alone. I now put Hardball in the same category I have Tucker......... I only watch when there's absolutely NOTHING else on TV... and just to have "noise". That's what I describe their shows.... NOISE....
americangoy @ 9:
Gail Collins in the NY Times attributed Clinton's victory in New Hampshire to three possibilities:
Her tears.
The sisterhood.
The Clinton "machine".
To her, and other uncle moms like Maureen Dowd and Arianna Huffington, the possibility that men and women voted for Senator Clinton based on her intelligence or because they think she would be the best President doesn't even enter the picture.
But if Obama, the Sainted Orator, had won....
Oy! Get the barf bags ready for the overflow of goo.
So, Chris thinks the voters of NY elected HRC Senator because her husband got blowjobs from an intern? ("..the reason she’s a US Senator....is that her husband messed around. That’s how she got to be a Senator from New York.") Historical fact??Obviously, he doesn't hold the citizens of NY in very high regard. It's too easy to dismiss him as insane, jackass pundit. Anytime a Dem is on his program they should bring this up and call him on it. He's a real lowlife.
He said, she said....
People...get real!...go to blackboxvoting.org and bradblog.com to get an education.
Considering this site has become the Pro-Clinton blog...............................
And Tweety has been hilarious. He is very entertaining in his obsession over Hillary and Obama.
why would the GOP want clinton instead of obama?
1) the GOP has already invested billions trashing the clintons, most of it on talk radio
2) trashing obama is not as easy. it's easier for them to hide their misogyny than their racism. the racist blowhards will be biting their tongues to bloody stumps before november next year or all they will have voting for them is a small minority. while many will argue americans are largely racist, only the really serious racists will be able to stay with them
3) obama has a natural confidence that looks like the "royal (irrational) certitude" quality that the right loves in it's candidates. the GOP "brains" know how important that quality is in selling to the frightened and uncertainty-avoiding masses. with clinton the flip-flopper label will stick better.
I don't think that "WE THE PEOPLE" are that stupid in these critical times, to vote black or white, female or male. We want a president that will do everything possible to undo the damage done to our country since the corporations have taken control of our election process. I think that person would be John Edwards. The corporations fear him more than any other candidate.
I'm not from New York but I have a feeling that New Yorkers are not the type of people to vote for someone because they feel sorry for them for being cheated on by their spouse.
I'm just sayin....
If there is a debate, the moderator should be a regular person. One who asks thought provoking questions like, "which pundit / douchebag was it who claimed that George W Bush was hte candidate he would most like to have a beer with", and "whose face should be on Mount Rushmore"?
Here is my letter to MSNBC:
People…get real!…go to blackboxvoting.org and bradblog.com to get an education.
I am real and I don't need an "education". What does that have to do with Cris Matthews inane rants?
Oh, and the fix is in. The Repubs want Hillary, would settle for Obama, and are afraid of the rest.
Tweety has to be off his meds again.I think he's just being contrarian....he likes the attention he gets when he says stupid crap like this......nobody in thier right mind would actually believe this tripe.Although he probably does believe this bs....all the more reseon to think he's off his meds.
Just STOP watching MSNBC. If they depend on ratings to make $$, the loud-mouth moron will be gone soon.
reason............damn......
As Sir Walter Scott wrote: “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”
This dumb schmuck, this pseudo-journalist on a pseudo-news show has little understanding of the language he trumpets to his cause, such as 'syllogism' (which is an a priori truth such as, All humans need oxygen: Humans breath air: Therefore air contains oxygen.) or 'irony' (an unexpected, often comical, contradiction.)
So according to this pundit boy-wonder Clinton is a senator only because she was two-timed and reacted as a strong woman? That is not a valid syllogism! She didn't react like a strong woman, who probably would have divorced Clinton. She acted like a politician. That is historic fact, and one could argue that a valid syllogism from the premises of Hillary and American politics is: All politicians want to be president. Politicians campaign for votes. Therefore all politicians will campaign for their own presidency.
It is ironic that people actually listen to this schmuck for direction, and it's a tragic irony that the corporate media has rushed to the bulwarks against popular opinion and reason to defend this moron. But they shape things for outcomes, and they play the gender card as swiftly as the fear card, or the race card.
Clinton definitely has problems, but their origin is not in her 'humiliation' by her philandering husband (oh and that is such an uncommon fate!) Hillary Clintons problems stem from the same influences that pay Matthews and all the other corporate media liars. And that, in perhaps the ultimate irony, is the reason why she has the best chance of being the next president in this so-called democracy.
Figure that syllogism journalist Matthews.
Tweety is right on this one. If H. Clinton had not been associated with a president in the limelight for 8 years, she would not be running for president.
But this story is another ion story. How about the real story of the last eon. Yeah, the treasonous criminality in the CIA, FBI, and through congress and the Whitehouse as described by Sibel Edmonds..
His intent was to diminish a candidate and he lied about that.
It is fact and history that Matthews has contempt for the Clintons and reports on Hillary with the same contempt.
Still, Joe S. thinks he's "at his best and on fire" right now.
Joe S. comparing himself to Barbara Walter's interviews with singers; is an irrational lashing out at well deserved criticsm towards Matthews.
David Shuster looked foolish the way he mimicked the women on the View. I'd like to see that clip on C and L. Profoundly disappointing.
Their thin skinned response to the View would be laughable if the whole thing wasn't so maddening.
Full disclosure: I don't watch the View and respect both Hillary and Obama
Idea: Quit watching and send a memo weekly letting them know - "I didn't watch Hardball this week" A few thousand of those memos would relieve them of the idea that this kind of hoopla is good for their ratings.
Oh, and the fix is in. The Repubs want Hillary..
I'm not sure I believe that but I do think that with the right PR, the Clinton campaign (if she's the nominee) could turn the tables, big time, on them, especially with their horrific track record over the last 7.1 years. And, contrary to their portrayals, Bill Clinton is still a charismatic, highly regarded former President. She's not my first choice, but I would vote for her if she's the nominee.
Here is why the corporatist fear Edwards. Also the reason he gets so little coverage by the MSM.
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed3/idUSN1128828020080111
What did the 'world is flat' lady on the view think about this?
re: mathews: he's a POS. The reaction against him is not in whatever analysis of history he makes up to back up a claim that he spews out without any backing at the time. The reaction is that everything that he says is opinion, and he just doesn't see it. We're sick of you, Chris. Please quit and let someone else talk for awhile. You don't have anything further to add to our dialog in this country. Thank you.
If its any consolation, I'm sure you could make a career going on gameshows and answering trivia. I'd love to see you lose.
If everyone just destroyed their TV sets the elites would be clueless as to how to control people.
G @ 21:
What about the black helicopters, the Trilateral Commission and the Jewish Banking Conspiracy?
Attack the Clintons then claim you were taken out of context.
Sorry Tweety, Rush Limbaugh already has that act sewn up.
Tweety is desperate to take her down, because if she wins, she's never going to give him the time of day.
The only person with any guts to take on Matthews was (sadly) Jon Stewart. He skewered him real good.
suggestion: quit watching the motherfucker. i did. 7 years ago.
Tweety is nothing but consistent...as a tried and true Republican.
Of course that's his response. Republicans cannot retreat...retreat is weakness.
Don't change horses midstream...weakness!
Don't change you're mind and be a flip-flopper...weakness!
With us or against us...everything else is weakness!
John Wayne would be proud.
If you want a nice view of Chris Matthews' history of Clinton/Liberal/Woman bashing check out the archives at the Daily Howler. He has been on this soapbox a long time. I remember his nightly flogging of Whitewater very clearly and feel he should have been booted years ago.
Rachel Maddow would be a fantastic replacement.
People…get real!…go to blackboxvoting.org and bradblog.com to get an education.
What about the black helicopters, the Trilateral Commission and the Jewish Banking Conspiracy?
Don't forget the Priory of Scion, The Elder Scrolls, Nostradamus prophecies, and the 9/11 Conspiracy.
How about we see some real attack on Hillary ? How about "she doesn't want to end the war in Iraq." 70% of Iraqis want the occupation to end. At least as much Americans want the same thing.
Why aren't you guys being more demanding ? Is this your country or what ?
I mean, we're all going on and on about how Hillary's a poor girl or about how Matthews is a moron, and all the time we're doing that, we're not talking about the real issues.
And how Hillary really is the worst choice when you look into what she's proposing.
Tweety sounds and acts like an un-educated country preacher. He BELIEVES that his INTERPRETATION of past events are THE SAME AS historical fact.
He is so enamored by the sound of his own voice, that NO OTHER SOUND OR OPINION penetrates to his brain.
"Chris, you can disagree with your guest... but that doesn't mean that you have to SHOUT THEM OFF THE SCREEN."
DeeDee Myers (last week during live coverage of the New Hampshire returns.
What I cant' stand about Matthews is that he has spent this whole year bashing Hillary, he has been on Obamarama's band wagon and has really ignored Edwards all year up until recently. Matthews completely ignored Edwards after his second place win in Iowa. This is what I can not stand about Matthews. His job is to give us facts about the candidates, shine the light on their history their votes, their changes. I don't want to endlessly hear his opinion or any other talking heads opinion constantly. Give us the facts on the critical issues as best they can. This is not happening.
Matthews, Brooks, Scarborough, Olberman all of them are not doing the public justice by sticking to issues (not what fucking color shirt they have on or if they cried yada yada). Stick to the issues that are critical to the voters and to our country.
It's as if they do not want an informed electorate.
sf @ 34:
I agree with all of this...To think that what tweety said had that much to do with Clinton winning is giving him too much power. His numbers are only slightly higher than tucker's...You do have andrea mitchell on NBC, sean hannity/dick morris spewing even worse things with four times the numbers. tweety is a complete blowhard and during his 12 minute harangue/throwdown...mika could only peep until she could shoe horn ONE sentence then tweety just rambled again. His idea of facts are 'The sun came up in the east today and your mother sucks cocks in hell' There is some 'historical fact' to that...He is almost comical but it really is maddening...His last interview with Elizabeth Edwards (when he came in second in Iowa)was pathetic...He railed about 'trial lawyers' and finished with how hard it was to find doctors and bartenders in Pennsylvania...and how pretty her smile was....Yes, he should be unemployed.
Point is. They don't cover anything of substance related to anyone very well. That needs to be done and is true. Very true! But it doesn't negate the fact that Chris Matthews is off the rails about fundamental fairness. All candidates deserve that. The first serious women candidate in this country has been constantly attacked that is wrong. Pure and simply, wrong! No matter your political stripes or leanings, everyone has an investment in restoring sanity to this process.
kathleen @ 51:
Bingo!
Why is it wrong for Mathews to be hard on Hillary? She supported the war, and Kyle Lieberman. Anyone who supports Hillary, does not view the war in Iraq as a major issue, that is for sure. She has supported, and continues to support (through her votes, not what she says) a dramatic expansion of the war in Iraq.
Why is everyone defending her? So she can have her Thatcher moment, as Michael Moore suggests, and get a lot of good kids killed prooving how "tough" she is IF she becomes POTUS??
Just remember, if you support Hillary Clinton, you support the war in Iraq!
I don't get it!
If Tweety wants to give his opinion as fact.........he needs to work over a Faux Nooozzz......he'd fit right in.
Ron @ 24:
55 PTC
I don't think you read all of the comments.
Why is everyone defending her?
Huh? This thread is about Matthews claim that HRC was elected Senator by the voters of NY because her hubby got some BJ's. Do you believe that? I don't see anyone defending her and we know she stands on the wrong side of many issues.
PTC @ 55:
Not everyone is supporting HC.This particular thread is about the way Matthews derides her and how biased he is to other candidates.His failure to ask pertinent unbiased question's. As for her voting record(virtually the same as Obamas...when he votes)...No ,Matthews is a tool.......and someone up there said"What they want is an uninformed electorate"has it partially right......it's either uninformed...or dis informed.......completely different...with the same results.
Matthews is right, and wrong. Yes the public felt bad for Hillary but also she would have become a law maker just because she was the former prez's wife, but she has gotten where she is at today because she is intelligent and outspoken unlike many former first ladies, her down side though is she doesn't know how to diplomatic when she really needs to be.
littlehorn @ 47:
We tend to forget who is a corporatist and neocon in times when the whole Democratic Party affiliated crowd gets excited about one journalist (out of 20 major ones we see everyday on the news networks) and having Olympics like that we blindly follow the current of time until we end up clueless a day before the election with 2 neocons to choose from, casting the vote and letting the Diebold memory card decide who takes the crown relinguished by W.
PTC @ 55:
It's likely we will go back to Clinton Style Foreign policy then what you are suggesting. And hopefully $11 to $17 a barrel Oil like it was during Clintons two terms in the process. She can just as easily turn over everything Bush has done in 8 years as quickly as Bush undid what Clinton accomplished during his 8 years. And probably in less time the the 6 months Bush took to do it.
L.A. Confidential @ 62:
If you believe Hillary would continue with the path Bush is leading us on your nuts. The only thing the Bushes could do is keep a nervous eye on them and pray they don't indict.
"in the midst of her humiliation" "because of what her husband had done"
No. I was there. I voted for Hillary for senate here in NY. I would not have voted for her if I did not think her capable and competent for the position. That said, were there other factors motivating me? Yes.
Sympathy? No.
The grace she showed having her personal life thrust onto the front pages and TV screens? No.
Anger at the Republicans for misusing their majority to try to railroad a President out of office? You bet your sweet ass!
Let him energize the Clinton voters like the rest of the corporate media.
VegasRage @ 60:
my take,
"she has gotten where she is at today because she is intelligent and outspoken unlike many former first ladies, her down side though is because she is intelligent and outspoken.
L.A. Confidential @ 62:
I am taking your statement out of context, so forgive me (i just got here) but the days of cheap oil are over forever.
I can bake a cake and you can smash it against a wall; that's easy. I can't take a cake smashed against a wall and make it into a round atractive and edible desert.
Niether Hillary Clinton, Solomon or Jesus Christ can take the mess Bush has wrought and turn it into what you fantasie as the Utopian years of Bill Clinton.
VegasRage @ 60:
I disagree.....you can't judge the way she was during her husbands Presidency...with the way the GOP went after her..I mean,they REALLY went after her..I don't think any First Lady has been attacked and derided and flat out insulted as much as HRC....she had to scrap to get along back then...(with the exception of Eleanor Roosevelt)..and even then HRC has had it worse.As for diplomacy....I think she would do fine.......NOW....I'm not for HRC....I like Edwards.....I'm just trying to be fair about her.
freejack @ 64:
I was there too. I voted for her because, to be honest, I knew only Schumer, Pataki and Hillary and the other names didn't ring the bell. I guess the familiar names in NYC get like 80% that's why you have senators and governors in the US serving 20 year or more. Now I'm waiting for Bloomberg to do to America what Lieberman did to Connecticut, if he splashes 1 billion, he may not make it, if he splashes 2 billions, WE the People will be overwhelmed and Bloomberg will indeed make it. I can almost guarantee that. Nothing can change the comfortable corporate state Bloomberg is enjoying, Obama, Edwards, Huckabee, God forbid, not to mention the Middle East policy. Have faith in the Americans? Don't.
Chrissy cites someone else's stated OPINION as to what helped Clinton get elected in New York, then says "You can't argue with HISTORICAL FACT". The clear conclusion is that this buffoon can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.
xoites defends Constitution @ 67:
agreed...whom ever the next Prez is....certainly has their work cut out for them.
But IF it turns out to be HRC..........I'm confident that she would right the country somewhat...It's gonna take some time to fix all of booshs fuckups.....some of them....decades.
Chris Mathews may be correct that some people voted for Hillary Clinton out of sympathy, but the reason she is a United States Senator is because she is intelligent, organized and politically experienced. She had a well thought out plan when she decided to run for the Senate; a plan so well thought out it would not surprise me if i learned she had been thinking about it for a decade or more. I also believe she always intended to use that as a stepping stone to the White House.
If a person has guts that person does not need a cheating spouse to demonstrate that. I am no fan of Hillary nor Bill Clinton but to say these two have been treated irrationally by talking heads in the media would be an understatement.
The damage is not just from Bush and Cheney. The corporate elite have been tearing down our democracy since before even Reagan. It's going to be a long process and all the damage still won't be fixed.
xoites defends Constitution @ 67:
Of course not then was then and now is now and the future is the future.
bobswire @ 8:
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...that's never gonna happen...Keef likes his job & money too much...
littlehorn @ 48:
Matthews has an inordinant amount of airtime and should be responsible. It's not that Hillary is a poor girl. We should demand a higher quality of discourse from someone who holds himself up as a political guru, leads debates and infuses his bias and is basically missing a chip!
andrew @ 75:
Or maybe more to the point one would not go on television and badmouth a family member (Jerry Springer be damned). One does not attack a co worker in the public forum. It is not done. I am sure Kieth and Chris find plenty of things to argue about behing closed doors.
Mark Twain's essay "The Turning Point of My Life" identifies Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon as his most critical moment:
Much of history turns on trivial events. If JFK had been murdered in Houston instead of Dallas, we might never have heard of news anchor Dan Rather. Is Dan Rather's career linked to the death of John Kennedy? Yes it is, but no it's not.
There's a name for what Matthews is doing - post hoc ergo propter hoc. If Hillary hadn't showed poise during the attacks on Bill, maybe she'd have gone the way of Roslyn Carter and Betty Ford - former first ladies who faded into obscurity. But events in people's lives aren't necessarily determinative of their future. Looking back, you can say there's an inevitability to even chance encounters.
Matthews also confuses the facts of history with the substance of history. He says that if he and Barbara Walters were to appear on Jeopardy, he would "win" because of his superior knowledge of names, dates and events. It's true he might win on a game show, but when he makes an historical assessment, he is necessarily offering an opinion.
sf @ 76:
Not to mention that the website we are on is pretty much devoted to pointing out the bullshit spewed by the media in this country. Talking about what they say is pretty much the reason we are here.
littlehorn, please do us a favor and find the website that talks about solving the problems we are in (up to our neck) and report back to us with a link.
Hillary Clinton got elected because she's a closet Republican, just like most New York Democrats.
Chris Matthews is a fine journalist. The only time I questioned his integrity was when MSNBC sent him to Vatican to cover live the death of the Pope. Laughing to the US bishop on the air while having the Saint Peter Basilica in the background with the crowd crying and praying right under him, was a clear indication that Tweety was parting on the plane. I was like. WTF?!!!!
Mike @ 80:
A closet New York Republican from Arkansas, I'll be damned!
andrew @ 75:
why not?he put himself on that list of worst persons....as I was politely reminded a week or so ago.....Because I asked the same question.."Why hasn't KO put anyone from MSNBC on worst persons".But I somewhat agree with you.....Matthews,Tucker and Scarburro are definitely candidates for WPitW.
Mike @ 80:
Rarely are Americans out in the street protesting because they want to consume less. Thats like saying Bush is a closet Democrat.
What everyones crying and complaining about is they can't consume more.
The Digby quote was perfect!
trank @ 23:
You make some good points, but who would have thought the GOP Slime Machine would actually attack John Kerry's war record. Or Max Cleland's, for that matter. They were wounded war vets--no way they'd stoop that low. Well, they did... Don't kid yourself--the swift boat crowd will go after Obama with full force, and yes they will use racist appeals. If fact, they're already doing it, calling him Barrack Maddrassa Obama and implying that he's a closet Muslim. Completely false, but when has that ever stopped them?
Dear Dan Abrams,
Cut the wingnut welfare rolls! Fire Tweety!
And did CM ask Rangle if he called Hillary based soley upon the positive press reports that CM read? If not, then CM's "fact" isn't a fact.
He really is delusional...
jr @ 87:
I think that's probably been in the works for a while now and CM is auditioning to replace Gibson on Faux News...
Hillary Clinton is from Illinois, not Arkansas. She was was President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley, and worked for Barry Goldwater during the '64 election. She was also a board member of Wal-Mart.
The woman is clearly a closet Republican, and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
bobswire @ 8:
Agreed. I asked the other day if Olbermann had the balls to put CM in the running for Worst Person and no one thought he did. And oddly enough, CM didn't show up that not.
Sent an email to Abrams lauding him for criticizing those in the media that had been cheering for Hillary's defeat, but asking him how come he didn't have the balls to include Matthews in that group. Funny, but I didn't get a response.
Olbermann and and Abrams have been great, but their unwillingness to criticize those on their own network for things that they regularly criticize those on CNN and Faux News for is becoming intolerable...
Der Tweetie is the George Bush of the MSM: a wet-brained jerk with a big mouth, (probably) a little prick and access to a microphone.
Both are functionally dead, but refuse to lie down.
Mike @ 90:
I stand corrected. I have no doubt that Hillary is far to the right of not only myself but anyone i would want for President. As an aside i was a member of Young Americans for Freedom in my teens. Chalk it up to youthful indescretion.
mudshark @ 83:
Criticizing one's self is very different from criticizing a coworker...
xoites defends Constitution @ 77:
True. But when KO criticizes CNN and Faux News people for doing the same thing that CM does, but KO doesn't mention that inconvenient fact, it makes KO look like a hypocrite.
Swashbuckler @ 94:
I understand that....and while I'd love to see KO criticize CM...and Scarburro and Tucker and all the rest across the board.....a co-worker is a little different.....I can just see it now.....KO and CM duking it out on national tv.
Swashbuckler @ 92:
Over the media is not the place to criticize your co-workers. There is plenty of time to do that within their system.
Swashbuckler @ 96:
I like Kieth but i don't think he is perfect. On the other hand i will let him decide who he criticizes. (It's not like i have any say in the matter.)
As he was exercising his anti-Clinton tone, Chris Matthews said amazing things about Barack Obama, "history in making", "great news for the world", etc...simultaneously. I though C&L didn't have such devoted Clinton supporters, judging by the posts, 90% - pro-Clinton, 10% - those who, believe it or not, saw a pro-Democratic Party Chris with A LOT good stuff said about Obama, and A LOT F*****G BAD ASS TIRADES aimed at the Republicans... simultaneously. Are we racists?
jim @ 100:
If you think 90% of the people who comment here are Clinton supporters i beg to differ. Please don't confuse anger over media smear campaigns for political support for the victim.
Swashbuckler @ 92:
I sent an e-mail asking Olbermann that question. If I get a reply I'll post it.
Pundits are WRONG most of the time.
Pundit's opinions are NOT more newsworthy than anyone else's opinions.
Pundits SUCK. Period.
One Year Wonder @ 103:
This blog thrives on punditry though...
Christ Matthews? What about Scarbarough? With an opening like the one he presented, he shouldn't be on the air. If you want further proof, search YouTube for when he (and a couple of others) were interviewing Janine Garofalo. Regardless of your opinions of her, he was using FOX News tactics in an attempt to ambush her and make her seem like an enemy of the state.
He should not be on television either. But he will remain on television because apparently enough Americans appreciate the nation's discourse slipping into something completely unintelligeable to those who appreciate intelligent, reasoned discourse.
jim @ 100:
The day one of these folks mentions Hillary Clinton and "history in the making" in the same sentence, we'll talk. Only men make history don't ya know?
I can bake a cake and you can smash it against a wall; that's easy. I can't take a cake smashed against a wall and make it into a round atractive and edible desert.
Niether Hillary Clinton, Solomon or Jesus Christ can take the mess Bush has wrought and turn it into what you fantasie as the Utopian years of Bill Clinton.
I like the analogy! Very easy and very succinct - nice!
How about if CM does a charity/Jeopardy tournament about political history against Bill Clinton? CM goes crazy every time the Clinton name is mentioned and is unapologetic about his bias against the Clintons, so why not go head to head against Bill rather than the ladies on The View? I wonder if CM thinks he's up to challenge any of the Clintons (including Chelsea) on political history?
timmm @ 104:
No, it thrives on the inherent wrongness of the conservative D.C. establishment.
bobswire @ 102:
I sent Dan A an e-mail suggesting KO for a beat the press section. Dede Myers had the audacity to say that Hillary didn't become the front runner until the summer or fall. KO and Chris were distainful of her opinion as they were busy framing the fact that the Clintons were playing the game of low expectations before the NH primary.
Latter on that night KO sarcastically asked someone for a reality check and said that DeDe Myers said that Clinton was never the front runner. That's the kind of thing Keith would competently and carefully dissect on his show and Dan should've put it on "Beat the Press."
Since then I think KO has gotten his bearings. Too much time with Chris Matthews. His mother shouldn/t let KO play with Keith. He's a bad influence.
And shrub is only president because of..? I dont hear Matthews mention that much, why the double standard?
Ron @ 98:
But not criticizing CM causes KO to loose credibility...
timmm @ 104:
That is a lot like saying the Salvation Army thrives on disaster victims.
Matthews' motivation may be more petty than any grand conspiracy. He just knows he needs to kick her repeatedly because if she becomes president, she’s never going to give him any of those juicy Cheney leaks. His influence will be gone and he knows it. He fears for his future big bucks.
john @ 114:
Are you kidding? CM would LOVE it if Hillary became President. He'd have his favorite punching bags to wail on every night...
FedUp @ 18:
This is the spin in all of the media.
Sexism is much deeper than racism.
Emancipated black men who had been slaves in this country got the vote decades before any woman, white or black, was allowed to vote.
The press, including liberals like Kos, are so deeply up to their eyeballs in sexism and they don't even
know it. It seems so natural to them. It's the natural order of things. "Mommy bwing me my dinner."
They want so much to be with Obama. They keep writing about what they wish he would do or say or be.
He doesn't and isn't, but they keep trying. "Sweetheart, don't oo wov me? I wov oo."
trank @ 23:
4) Hillary has very high negatives, Obama doesn't.
But Hillary-hatred is by no means confined to the right. David Geffen, a Hollywood mogul, gave voice to a widespread feeling on the left when he complained about the Clintons' relationship with truth. “Everybody in politics lies,” he told the New York Times. “But they do it with such ease, it's troubling.” Mrs Clinton has some of the highest negatives of any politician in the business.
http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9904609
Which is why many of us are opposed to HRC. She is the choice among the powers that be in the Democratic party.
chris is buying koolaid from billo these days. he is just an insipid bore.
"I'll take them on." "I'll take them on." Nasty old yellowed perve.
Tweety quoting an opinion piece in USA Today and basing his BS statements on that. Wow, he is INSANE! I am from NY.
I don't think that Chris Matthews should be allowed to moderate any of the Democratic debates... He has such a hate for Hillary Clinton, that if anything ever happened to her, he would be the no.1 suspect... I thiink we have all contacted MSNBC with our thoughts on this and they are not going to do anything about it... Maybe we should contact the sponsors... We should not have to put up with this...
Bystander @ 122:
No moderating any debates. When he moderated the republicans he wasted time in that venue getting their views on the Clintons instead of their policies. He shouldn't be running the show before or on voting days either. He's too unglued. He needs an intervention!
Chris Matthews is full of opinion himself. The man is arrogant as all get-out too.
The women on the View were spot on and losers like Matthews cannot handle the truth.
It's possible, but not likely. She can barely win NH.
That's revisionist bull. Clinton won, because of his showmanship, and his "promise" for universal health care. That had nothing to do with Hillary.
Yes, Chrissy Poo-Poo Matthews, a little history for ya jerkoff:
Roger Ailes now head of FOX "News" was your original boss over at CNBC. Yes, Chrissy Poo-Poo Matthews, you got your start over at CNBC with Geraldo, John Gibson, and oops, Roger Ailes as your immediate boss.....we all know what Roger Ailes thinks of Hillary Clinton....
A little history for you Chrissy Poo-Poo Matthews, you have embellished your record in regards to how important you were to working for Tip O'Neill. One last thing Chrissy Poo-Poo Matthews, you have had a penchant for slamming the likes of journalist Gary Webb who questions real truth to power. Chrissy Poo-Poo Matthews, you have been known to be a slime merchant as well. That is some of the background on you.
Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews should be fired, immediately!
Tell MSNBC unless they fire Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews, you will not even watch "Countdown" with Keith Olbermann, or any of their other shows. It is time to boycott MSNBC altogether, which includes "Countdown" with Keith Olbermann, until they finally decide to fire Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews.
Contact all the advertisers who do commercials on "Hardball" with Chris Matthews as well and tell them you will no longer buy their products as long as they do spots on "Poo-Pooh's" show.
Money talk; bullcrap walks....Time to rid part of the cancer of American media by helping Chrissy "Poo-Pooh" Matthews gey fired!!!!
theWalrus @ 47:
While I agree this thread is out of place here, election fraud continues to be an unresolved issue. It might be helpful if some of you actually read the suggested diaries. Who won is irrelevant because the system is so screwed up it's impossible to unambiguously prove who won, recount or not (even in NH). But disregard the message and demean the messenger.
“Hardball” with Chris Matthews pollutes America's culture as much as any show on FOX "News."
MSNBC should be told this by anyone who chooses to do so. Do not watch MSNBC any longer, and this would mean no more watching of “Countdown” with Keith Olbermann.
Matthews is the original "love the one you're with" person. Anyone that would swoon over Tom DeLay needs some serious intervention. I've seen Matthews practically wag his tail when he has an attractive woman on his show and he never compliments them for their minds, it's always a "beauty" thing. I've sent him many emails asking him why he hates Hillary so much, but guess what, no answers. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but his bias is so obvious it stinks. And he thinks he's being honest which is extra annoying. I tivo his show and only watch it when he has some good people on his panel. Otherwise, it's fast forward time. I keep checking to see if he's still and ass, and he is!
As a matter of fact, I refuse to buy Keith Olbermann's book because MSNBC chooses not to fire Chris Matthews of “Hardball.”
After 9-11-2001 to the leadup to the war in Iraq, Matthews called anyone who questioned the Bush administration or tried to explain the situation of 9-11 as the "blame America first crowd."
Ya want some history Chrissy Matthews: Often, you the same suck-up techniques to the Republican criminals like Tom DeLay and the same attacks of those who dare to dissent or question the likes of the Bush administration as does FOX "News."
Oh, wait a minute. Another little historical fact. The head of the "News" department over at FOX is your ex-CNBC boss, Roger Ailes. Geez, Chrissy "Poo-Poo" maybe you can go and suck-up to your favorite man candidate soon. Chrissy "Poo-Poo" I think you have some serious sexual hang-ups when it comes to women. This is not an opinion, either. It is a fact by watching your behavior pattern which is consistent in this regard.
"Clinton was never a frontrunner."
According to Wikopedia… “When Matthews first arrived in Washington he was given a patronage job as an armed officer with the United States Capitol Police.”
I’m gonna put on my Chris Matthews cap here a second and give you my “assessment of history”.
What we have here basically is a guy who got his start by “kissing ass” now showing total and complete contempt for a woman who” takes no shit from no one”. This is why he hates Hillary so much. She is more the man than he could ever be in this regard.
Going back even further in his life you discover his parochial grade school upbringing. Being a graduate of a parochial grade school in the 60’s myself, I can only imagine the trauma that the nuns at St. Christopher’s elementary school in Somerton must have left on his mind. If it is anything like that which I experienced as a child, he is probably now fearful and resentful of all women in authority – especially those who show signs of strength and strict discipline.
It’s not so difficult to figure out, really. Hell, I never even took a class in psychology, but I can at least see through his psychosis. You would think, however, that by now he would have gotten some professional help with his issues – either from his wife, or intervention from professional associates. I feel sorry for the guy as a person, really – but it’s still no excuse for him being allowed to project his psychosis on the rest of America on a daily basis.
One other thing...What Scarborough, Schuster, and Matthews are doing now is a classic double-standard, of never having to be held accountable.
Only "real political journalists who know the facts" can criticize or have "real opinons." Otherwise, "shut up!" is the message. Thus, if anyone of significance, say in this case Barbara Walters makes a fair critique of Matthews, she is not allowed to because she has not been annointed yet as a "real political journalist" who knows the "historical facts" like Matthews.
So, I guess Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews cannot be criticized on other shows unless one has his permission or unless they are vetted that they know the real "historical facts" like Matthews.
This smells like Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews and others like Joe Scarborough cannot handle being held to the same standard they hold others to. Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews and Joe Scarborough, in their disgust of the women on the 'View' are in their own way attempting to stifle dissent which shows Matthews to be a real tool.
The Best way to fight back against the corporate media? Vote For John Edwards.
Swashbuckler @ 92:
Good points which I have noticed as well. As a result, I refuse to buy Keith Olbermann’s book because MSNBC chooses not to fire Chris Matthews of “Hardball,” and that Keith Olbermann is showing a double standard here. Olbermann’s ethics might not be as "great" as everyone on the "left" thinks. I would say, do not watch MSNBC any longer, which includes, “Countdown” with Keith Olbermann.
She "won" by two points.....It is scary to think of two families controlling the White House since 1988............
Mr. XXXX @ 137:
I'll give Olbermann the benefit of the doubt. I have to work with fools also but refrain from calling them fools in order to maintain civility within the workplace but If Olbermann was to call out Matthews that would give him status of major import. IMO.
I did hear him criticize Scarborough once so I'll have to give him credit for that.
barbara @ 138:
I think Obama should use that when he's asked about CHANGE. :^)
barbara @ 138:
Scary?
The past 7 years have been "scary" for most of us, but other than that - what do you mean by "scary"? Or do you just like repeating wingnuts talking points?
The White House has been controlled by 2 parties since the 1800's - you find that "scary" too? All I want is a White House that listens to and works for the people - I don't care if they're Abe and Mary Lincoln clones.
i dont believe a woman should be president, till they serve on the front lines hand to hand combat you weak ass politicians.
you rather have a woman president than a black male president that makes me sexist and you people sexist and bigots....thats the truth....
you rather have a woman in chargethan a black male in charge that makes me sexist and you people sexist and bigots....thats the truth....
barbara @ 138:
This is a false equivalency. The Bush family has been involved in questionable enterprises since the 1830s or so. In at the founding of Skull and Bones. The invention of the totally bogus rapture theology. Arms dealing. Trading with the enemy in WW2. Founding CIA. Bush Sr being HEAD of CIA, possibly running the whole show while the senile imbecile Reagan was president. No need to run down the idiocies of the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania. Now compare the Clintons. Bill's dad? NOBODY. Bill's mom? NOBODY. Hillary's dad? NOBODY. Hillary's mom? NOBODY. Personally, I'm for Edwards, but this is NOT "two families since 1988". This is ONE group of Tory, aristocratic WASP assholes and their enablers vs the rest of the United States of America.
you people are just part of the machine that drives people to vote for clowns who just create fillABUSTERS FROM THE OTHER SIDE 2 YEARS FROM NOW THATS WHAT YOU WILL SEE AND ONLY LITTLE THINGS GET DONE THATS WHAT THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM ENABLES THIS COUNTRY TO DO... YOU GUYS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF SELL OUTS...AND SHOULD BE SPANKED OR....
I usually don't agree with Tweety, but I think he's spot on here.
YOUR PEOPLE KILLED 60 MILLION NATIVE INDIANS TO GET WHERE YOU ARE TODAY SO WHO ARE THE CROOKS AND LIARS IN THIS STOLEN COUNTRY . SO SWOLLOW ALL THE BULL SHIT YOU PUT OUT AS FELLOW AMERICANS
can i sign the petition in SUPPORT of Chris Matthews.
Its not the PC thing to say, but he's right.
SIGNED,SITTING BULL........................
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