FOXNews Sunday: McCain, Huckabee Race Would Drive GOP Base Into Therapy
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This morning on Fox News Sunday, panelist Mara Liasson laid out some reality that none of the regulars on the set could refute - if the race for the GOP presidential candidate comes down to John McCain and Mike Huckabee in the end, it will drive the base of the party insane.
Liasson: "...Because then you would have the two brokest, funniest, iconoclastic Republicans left standing and the Republican party I think, the establishment, and the coalition would have to go into therapy and figure out which one it could handle more."
Even good old Brit Hume says -- "don't underestimate The Huck." Priceless...
Liasson got one right, who would have guessed?
I'll say it again. I think Brit Hume has had his brain surgically removed.
The man is just too irretrievably stupid.
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The Cons don't even care if they win. They've looted the country and are ready to cut and run with their ill gotten gains.
McCain and Huck are all show. The cons know the Dems are the only party that can repair the damage plus the Dems will be to busy scrambling around repairing and excavating Americans from the wreckage to even have time to prosecute these crooks.
Then the cons will go quietly plan out their next rip off of America during the next 8 years in their think tanks.
why do more than 300 people have to try to download the clip before it's actually available?
this is the 2nd time today.
There are really multiple bases in the GOP. McCain drives them all crazy, the Huckster drives only some of them crazy.
Liasson is usually so goddamned clueless, I have to wonder who whispered this into her earpiece.
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Bush Mideast speech draws cool response
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates— President Bush on Sunday described Iran as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism and called on Arab allies to help his administration curb the threat "before it's too late."
Bush heaped praise on his hosts, the rulers of the United Arab Emirates , for luring foreign investment and "building a prosperous society out of the desert." Left out, noted analyst Manar Shorbagy, an associate professor who teaches a course on U.S. politics at the American University in Cairo , was the ill-fitting fact that Iran is the country's No. 1 trade partner.
Rofl... these guys just aren't trying anymore!
I read something on Shakesville earlier today about George Will and Jonah Goldberg both appraising the election... both of them admitted that they A) Are completely fucked, B) Its their own damn fault
But what's funny, is George Will actually could figure out WHY it was their own fault... Goldberg was... himself. An idiot.
I'm just having a grand old time watching the Grand Ol' Party fall apart. (¬_¬) Scuse me while I get my scheudenfreude on~
Gotta believe she's right on this one. Still, I'd love to see Mitt get the nomination because he's so much fun to beat. But more than likely it'll come down to Walnuts and Huck and possibly a brokered convention.
Watching the Republicans implode is entertaining. I hope the nightmare will soon be over. But given the stupidity of the voters, I won't hold my breath.
Would someone please give NPR/FOX Mara some real info about Huckabee. Would someone please ask if he plans to push for a law to make it harder for couples to divorce?? He's opposed to abortion w/no exceptions for rape and incest. That would also be a nice questions.
Here's a must read on Huckabee by a real reporter, Max Brantley, of the Arkansas Times
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/index1.html
Huckabee insists he's not one of those harsh, punitive, "angry" conservatives, but again, there are witnesses who might say otherwise if anyone's interested.
Ask the retarded Fort Smith teenager, raped by her stepfather, who sought Medicaid funding for an abortion as federal law required. Huckabee stood in the hospital door, at least figuratively, to prevent state funding. Ask the gay people belittled by his cracks about "Adam and Steve." Ask the scientists who've seen evolution virtually disappear from the textbooks and classrooms of Arkansas with his administration's acquiescence.
Social issues alone should give moderates pause. He championed a law in Arkansas making it harder to get a divorce, the so-called covenant marriage law that has been widely ignored except when he and his wife recommitted in a Valentine's Day publicity stunt held in a 17,000-seat arena.
YAY! Punditry telling us who against it will be at then end!
We could snap freeze-frame these morons before Thanksgiving telling everyone that Giuliani was the would be front-runner.
Fast forward to the present and these same morons are not telling us it is McCain vs Hucakbee.
Retardity, I will laugh at Rudy when this is all over
his name is huck.
huck huckabee!
and he's a jesus man!
Ahh, the Krystal Ball's latest forecast:
The therapy induced by a race between the Religious Huckster and Gone InSane would be healthy, for after all, there is truth to the notion that the Republican Party has been all about upward mobility for the middle class.
col. (Crying Out Loud)
if for some insane reason(the usual voting tampering of the gop) a repug becomes president again, the entire usa will need to go into therapy, let alone the rest of the world.
Acid flashback?
Thought I saw Hillary trashing Obama.
Weird!
Daniel @ 4:
are you selling tickets? i don't see a take a number for download.
Will Republicans ever get it right?
NO
Won't know until super Tuesday who is left standing. I would expect the front runners to get an infusion of cash with strong showings though. Huckabee was funny on Colbert, but I can't get past his religiousness (I cannot take anyone seriously that believes in religion that strongly - me having the superior belief that no really one knows so why waste our time). McCain has screwed up most everything he has touched in the senate - McCain-Feingold being the biggest one that comes to mind. There is no way any of the republican nominees would be elected. I personally welcome the coming implosion of the republican party. The republicans got all screwed up when the social conservatives took over. Maybe this will finally cause all the fiscal conservatives to wake up and leave the religious nut jobs behind.
Tom Dobbs for president.
There's a double ff at the start of the wmv file. Remove that f to just one f and it will work. The file name is fns_republicans_therapy_011308.wmv
What drives me nuts is "The surge is working" meme. If Crooks and Liars is after more material to attack, jump over to CNN's Iraq "Why is no one talking about it article." Makes me livid. Of course, the poll showing 44% of people support the notion that Iran is a threat to world security equally drives me nuts.
The only thing the surge even possibly accomplished is that we are failing less, but we are still failing.
La. Confidential, the Repukes must have done something right Georgie boy was elected twice(well, not really. Ohio and Florida come in mind.) But they were able to con almost half of the voters didn't they? Including my father and sister. But they don't even watch the news. Depressing isn't it?
We need Ron Paul in the White House.
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P.D. @ 23:
Yes it is. Very.
Did I hear Billy boy say we should listen to the voters?
If that is true we should be out of Iraq by now!
Logan Murphy @ 25:
No Problem. Thanks for the heads up.
Izzie @ 13:
As President, he wouldn't have the power to make it harder for couples to divorce. That's a state issue.
Laws regarding abortion are also a state issue.
Newsflash: Brit Hume is still a dick!
Swashbuckler @ 29:
Don't be too confident of that. It has been the history of our republic that power has been constantly delegated -- by means Constitutional and otherwise -- to the federal government. Once it grabs powers, it does not give them back.
Moreover, power has been continually grabbed by the executive branch, with the Oval Office Orangutan grabbing more than ever before. And lest the next president is deeply committed to undoing the damage little Shrub has done, the increased executive authority will, at best, remain at its current level.
Just watch as the Religious Huckster comes up with some overly-stretched Constitutional rationalization to issue executive orders limiting divorce. Then watch as the Roberts Court buys into the rationalization, and seals the deal for decades to come.
Presidential candidates need to be asked about their fundamental philosophies of government and power, no matter which pet issues they like best.
Disenfranchised Republicans have other alternatives besides therapy. It’s called politics or the Democratic, Independent, Green, etc…parties. Therefore Ms. Liasson must be referring to neocons and pundits who will be the ones needing therapy. Bless their hearts.
marcy @ 24:
he would make a very good janitor there!
Karen @ 31:
In addition, such questions reveal the kind of Supreme Court Justices a president is likely to appoint. It would be good to know whether a presidential candidate would have the Supreme Court strike down or uphold state laws banning abortion / divorce / other exercises of freedom.
tyree @ 33:
:lol:
Tyree, have I told you "I love you" lately? Parfait, hommes!
Tyree, you are right. Ron Paul believes that education and healthcare are not a concern. Well, I have children and because of the influx of big business we so-called average Americans have no recourse. Big business and Republicans won't be satisfied until we are all in bread lines or join the army. Dismal future isn't it?
Karen @ 31:
I have no problem with asking candidates about their views on these issues. However, worrying that a President Huckster would outlaw abortion is just plain silly.
Rudy and mitt are going down, and fox cries. Hey brit,billo,beck,rush...why don' you guys run....you 'know it all?'.
Swashbuckler @ 37:
I'll concede that to worry that the Religious Huckster might actually manage -- single-handedly -- to outlaw abortion or divorce merely by virtue of being the president would be to waste political energy. But that wasn't really my point.
You suggested that the president would have no power to outlaw divorce or abortion at all. Certainly, if people in the government followed the text of the Constitution, no president would have power to do that unilaterally or directly. However, s/he could certainly do so indirectly. As far as I can tell, every Republican candidate would appoint Supreme Court Justices who would uphold any state interference with civil liberties. If one state outlawed divorce, and effected citizens of that state appealed to the federal courts, they'd find no help in a branch composed of Huckster appointees.
Moreover, as I was trying to express, admittedly through a hyperbolic scenario, we don't follow the text of the Constitution anymore anyway.
Does anyone realize that Bush and his co-horts have fallen under the radar? The CIA tape destruction, or collapse of our financial structure, losing Afghanistan, Black Water, the gutting of our Constitution have all been swept under the rug. Vote Democratic people! it is our only hope!
combover on combover crime
Karen @ 39:
It goes beyond just abortion though, doesn’t it?
Since around 1800 and the ratification of our Bill of Rights, one of the most basic tenants of Constitutional Amendments is that the Amendments GRANT rights, not take them away. Early arguments against Constitutional Amendments event suggested that enumerating rights may be interpreted as limiting those inalienable rights that are not enumerated.
We messed up bad with the 18th Amendment, in that it DENIED rights – not grant them. It took years to fix that.
The concern is that newly appointed Justices will not interpret Constitutional Law in this way. Especially if their view is that citizens must be protected from themselves – for God’s sake or their own. We constantly walk a fine line between progress and obsolescence. Justice’s need to take care not to deny and limit our ability to live our lives just for the sake of either progress or nostalgia. Those who appoint those Justice’s need to take greater care.
Taarak @ 42:
Indeed. It goes to the heart of our Constitutional republic. It goes to the heart of what powers any government may legitimately exercise.
Forgive my need to disagree with you here. I fear that you might find my point of contention a point of mere semantics. Bear with me.
While I think I know what you're trying to say (and I wouldn't disagree with what I think you're trying to say :) ), I would resist the temptation to say that the Constitution "grants" rights. Instead, I would emphasize that it "declares" them. I emphasize such word usage for the same reason you mention that the Federalists feared enumerating rights at all. Rights were natural. They simply exist. They need not be granted by the government in any way. Once we consider them to be "granted" by the Constitution, those not enumerated are considered not to be granted, and thus, withheld.
Only powers must explicitly be listed in order to rightfully be exercised. This is why the Ninth Amendment says that rights are "retained," while the Tenth speaks of powers as "delegated" and "reserved."
Again, I do hear what you're saying. At the very least, however, the temperance movement understood that it needed to amend the Constitution in order to deny rights. The temperance movement at least went through proper procedure. And indeed, we discovered just how horrible the consequences of doing so were, especially in the context of alcohol consumption.
And while it did take years to undo, it really only took 12. Not all that long on historical scales. The 21st Amendment repealed the 18th, and Constitutional process was indeed restored.
More dangerous is the manner in which we have delegated the power to the federal government to outlaw drugs. Had we actually amended the Constitution explicitly the way we did with alcohol, we'd at least be upholding the rule of law. Instead, we've rationalized our way into believing that drug use -- even private drug use in one's own home -- is a matter of "interstate commerce." We've also rationalized our way into thinking that because Congress may "regulate" interstate commerce, it may outlaw anything under the rubric of interstate commerce, and thus may outlaw any sort of drug it pleases.
It will take far more than 12 years to undo this problem. Because we have basically ignored logic and grammar, and undermined the rule of law. And this is the very manner in which the federal government, and certainly the executive branch under Bush the Lesser, has usurped all the power it can get.
Here, I won't disagree at all. :)
People retain the right to pursue happiness. Government's legitimate powers must be derived from the consent of the people, and must be designed to protect all of our retained rights equally. If we would stick to the Declaration upon which we justified our revolution, and then stuck to the text of the Constitution, we would live in such a world. Alas, we do not.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO...WHEN HUCKAMANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU BRUTHA!
here's a thinker...if you go to a mike huckabee rally with a Hulk Hogan style T-shirt that says 'The Huckster' on it, will you get kicked out?
man, thats what Huckster's detractors ought to do...pose as supporters and call him 'The Huckster' until it sticks to the american consciousness
I can see it now. Huckabee will soon start calling himself 'The Incredible Huck'.
Look for an endorsement from Lou Ferigno, and public appearances by the now-potbellied, balding green strongman - ripping apart the income tax code and Darwin's 'The Origin of Species' with his bare hands.
No joke, it's no worse than Chuck Norris.
Karen @ 43:
An excellent point about our current drug laws – and I share your concern about the Federal Gov Granting itself powers not declared in the Constitution (there – I’m using your terminology…and I thank you). The RICO laws are just as bad.
I agree, inalienable rights cannot and should not be granted, they are inalienable. The 18th Amendment did not however, declare any such right. It denied, or removed, a right that had pre-existed prior to its ratification. Though that may have been a good legal strategy at the time (and as you say, beneficial for the later repeal), I see it as a wrong way to interpret that tenant of the Constitution which defines our basic liberties.
Once we start down the slippery slope of amending our Constitution with things we can’t do – it has the potential to snowball. First Abortion, then Flag-Burning, then Limited Assembly, etc. etc. The document then becomes a list of rights we don’t have.
Like you said in your previous post regarding Presidential powers – once assumed, they are difficult to curtail.
David Hill @ 44:
Vote for me---or my righteous god will smite you! The new Hucksterbee campaign slogan.
the picture is priceless!
Taarak @ 46:
Oh, I absolutely agree with you about that. I was only pointing out that, while they had nothing else going for them, I at least respect that the prohibitionists knew that they had to amend the Constitution to get their way. At the very least, they didn't just say, well we can outlaw alcohol based on interstate commerce, or that you don't have the right to drink because that right isn't listed in the Constitution. (I'm sure some of them did, and that many people took that position, but ultimately, alcohol was prohibited via Constitutional process.)
As for what they actually did, it marked pernicious tyranny, plain and simple. Indeed, the Constitution should never be amended to deny rights. (Or at least I can't imagine a situation where doing so would be a good idea.) It's a lot like the anti-gay movement that wants to amend the Constitution specifically to ban gay marriage. Sheer insanity, and it would amount to Constitutional tyranny.
McCain will take it, especially if Bush/Cheney put their dicks on the Oval Office desk and bomb Iran. Then everyone will think the war hero is the best guy to have in office. Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran.
Point of information, they are already insane.
THat's why I say they're going to go with Rudy. He did get endorsed by Pat Robertson.
The republicans have not nor will ever produce a candidate that understands the first thing about consequences. To me that is the definition of insane.
This is a good analogy for what the far right wishes to do with reproductive choice. They will not be happy until the states with sanction from the courts and the leadership of the executive branch, have the ability to control a woman's body. In my mind the abortion issue is probably the single most dangerous issue in regard to civil rights. Once the American people are willing to sanction the complete annihilation of a women's right to self determination, the downhill slide will be quick and easy. That the pro-life movement has already managed to delude a large portion of the national populace to believe that a fetus has more rights than a living, breathing human speaks volumes.
Of all the candidates on the Republican side or even on the left for that matter, Huckles has the least ability to govern, the least education and the most blind, anti-democratic ambitions. His record in Arkansas is abysmal as he ran the governor's office like a TV evangelist, spending government funds on himself and his wife and playing petty politics with people's lives with little regard for the consequences. He has shown his willingness to allow extreme political interests influence his decisions, such as his pardoning of a convicted serial rapist and his unforgivable denial of a girl's much needed and begged for abortion.
He has shown himself to be a heartless champion of the most extreme, theocratic wing of our society and I don't think he or his followers will be happy until he has come into office and turned back the clock of progress by at least fifty years. His world is one in which women have no rights, people of color are subjugated by racism and the government becomes one with evangelical religious doctrine. He dreams of being the Grand Elected Bishop of the US. He and his followers are dangerous and have no respect or regard for the constitution or the bill of rights.
The only thing the blue bloods find distasteful about him is his bleating about government's responsibility to spend on social problems he would deem worthy. They could give a rat's ass about the loss of rights to regular common folk or threat to democracy, they only see their wallets and their hopeful strategy of mixing big business with governance threatened. I also think that if they thought he could be used to their ends, they would have no problem supporting him or his bizarre notions of theocratic governance.
Mara Liasson looks like she's gone to Melanie Morgan's plastic surgeon. She could be a candidate for badplasticsurgery.com. Oh, and as a Faux news shill, is usually full of shit. But maybe not this time.
All GOP bigots and haters should be in therapy all their lives anyway.
P.D. @ 12:
Yeah the Republican Nightmare might be over next year. Then we can watch the Dems try to manage the upcoming war against Iran.
I wouldn't worry about the voters. Diebold counts the votes. the election has already been decided. This is just a show to make us think that it has legitimacy.
Limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 56:
That line reads two different ways.
Since when does the maniacal Mr. Kristol care or even think about what the voters might say or want. What a sad human being.
Ron Paul is going to have to hang around a little longer (2 months) to really cause the GOP to shatter.
There is no bottom to the GOP. The Republicans will nominate the least qualified, most incompetent candidate possible. They'll vote for him because to them any Democratic alternative is worse.
jwf @ 55:
Should be awfulplasticsurgery.com My bad.
Well, they all need therapy...
Why are we letting the Republicans and their candidates get off easy. Bush and his republican controlled administration has set policies in place to outsource more American jobs in the last 7 years , then all other administration combined.
What in the h... happen to the tax breaks for the wealthy , corporation , oil company and the illegally policies of given our tax dollars to War contractors, Blackwater and letting Exxon and Saudi Arabia raise the oil and heating prices ((which have gone through the road)) which has caused this recession.
Where in the h... is the trickle down theory which Bush and the republicans claim would happen when they gave the tax break , tax welfare and tax exempt to oil companies, Halliburton, Carytle group (with Bush's father one of the main holders of the group) and others corporations which have more off shore and overseas..
Now McClain and the republicans are talking about new jobs (where in the h... are they going to get them Bush , the republicans including McClain have sent our manufacturing plants overseas for corporation's cheaper labor and much larger profits), now they talk their BS and propaganda of creating new jobs,,,, because we will never get the ones McClain and Bush's administration has sent overseas.
Anyone listening or will vote for a republican , has to be out of their d mind... And this situation will only get worst....
Daniel @ 4:
Because the main audience here is stupider than Republicans.
Conversely--the Socialists are tearing themselves up between the black guy and the girl.
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