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Oh, the Repugs will be all friendsy-wendsy when they are out of the primary trying to impress only the Neanderthal section of the electorate.

"We never hear about the illegal whites, Asians or some other group in the United States."

To be fair, no Asian or European country directly borders the United States, so none of their citizens can just walk into the USA like someone can from Mexico. Sure, there're whites in Canada, but what incentive do any of them have to sneak in here when their economy is stronger than ours? I suppose they could sneak in just to point fingers and laugh at us, ala Nelson Muntz, but their silly accents would give them away quickly.

Rahm wants us to run to the right of the repubs on immigration but he's an "expert" we're told

Assassin @ 5:

"We never hear about the illegal whites, Asians or some other group in the United States."

To be fair, no Asian or European country directly borders the United States, so none of their citizens can just walk into the USA like someone can from Mexico. Sure, there're whites in Canada, but what incentive do any of them have to sneak in here when their economy is stronger than ours? I suppose they could sneak in just to point fingers and laugh at us, ala Nelson Muntz, but their silly accents would give them away quickly.

Any Canadian who attempted to sneak across the US border to live would be certifiable.
Canada is liable to be soon facing the same problem the US now has, of illegal aliens sneaking across their southern border for a better life. The way the US economy is tanking, and the democracy becoming a neo-fascist state, US citizens will be seeking a better life, solace, by fleeing north, to Canada.

"Never mind that we want to shoot people who look like you on sight if they're found anywhere near the border; abortion BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Are you really saying that's not a winning electoral strategy?

Wait, what about the Pakistanis sneaking across our southern borders. I know about them because Huck said so.

The irony of it all. I have always been struck by the fact that the targets of the Immigration Wars are descended from the peoples who first populated, "discovered" if you will, the Americas some 13-30 thousand years ago. Archaeologists dispute when and how they got here, but there can be no dispute that THEY, not WE (europeans) were here first. Some now theorize that the immigrant problem has been created by and exascerbated NAFTA. These Americans have been driven from their native countries because they can no longer afford to stay there thanks to........US, or, better said, the 1% of us who own 60% of the money and have 99% of the power. Sadly, our 1% may be the French Revolution model. The "immigration problem" is a straw man. THEY are US. Their problems are morphing into our problem and vice versa. You still want that fence? Build it around Texas.

Preacher Boob @ 10:

If boatloads of Chinese escapees were being dumped on SoCal beaches late at night, to become illegal aliens in the US, would the Latino(a) population think it reasonable for them (the Latinos) to be stopped to see if they were illegal Chinese aliens?

Assassin @ 5:

"We never hear about the illegal whites, Asians or some other group in the United States."

To be fair, no Asian or European country directly borders the United States, so none of their citizens can just walk into the USA like someone can from Mexico. Sure, there're whites in Canada, but what incentive do any of them have to sneak in here when their economy is stronger than ours? I suppose they could sneak in just to point fingers and laugh at us, ala Nelson Muntz, but their silly accents would give them away quickly.

My ex-spouse, with whom I still have a very cordial relationship and I have nurtured to adulthood two very productive, college-educated children, comes from a family that has roots in Southern Colorado dating back several centuries. As such, without ever moving, they have been citizens of Spain, los Estados Unidos de Mexico and now the United States of America. Ironically, her grandfather was a survivor of the Titanic, having been orphaned by the death of his parents who did not survive. He was adopted by her great grandparents but kept his parent's German surname of Kaber, a well-known rancher and cowboy in the San Luis Valley.

My now significant other traces her roots to Spanish Colonial frontier settlements in Northern New Mexico. Her grandmother, Fanny Clark, an Irish immigrant traveled to the Southwest in a covered wagon. Her genealogical background includes Spanish, Mexican and Navajo ancestry.

My father's family traces to Zacatecas, Mexico. In addition to Spanish ancestry, there is some mestizo and Apache blood, Apaches who fled the white onslaught by going to Mexico. His family came back to Colorado again when he was two years old. He worked in the steel mills from age 16 until his retirement. He was naturalized when he was in the United Stated Army, having been drafted to fight in World War II.

I was born on the windiest day ever recorded in Southern Colorado, at least since such records have been kept. Buckminster Fuller is documented somewhere to have said "We are the Universe conscience of itself." Taking a cue from him, I hold that where I live now is and will continue to be the center of my universe and this is where I will defend my existence until I no longer do.

I am a veteran of he Navy hospital corps, having advanced to the level of E-5, Petty Officer 2nd Class in 22 months. I was courted as a potential officer but within several days of having enlisted, I knew I made a mistake and declined further involvement past my enlistment period. I am grateful for the experience from an educational standpoint because it opened my perspective that the military is a microcosm of the class-conscious American society, unlike the class free propaganda I had been fed in the American educational system. I was, of course discouraged from speaking Spanish in the educational setting and by the end of 1st grade I forgot just about every thing relevant to being articulate in Spanish. I had to relearn and did to the point where I taught basic Spanish in a community college. (Yes, I am a Viet Nam vet.)

Upon my discharge and enrollment back into college, having experienced other cultures in my Asian tour, I became a Chicano. I am a Chicano secondary to being a citizen of the United States and a true believer in the United States Constitution. The framers did not foresee that once we became beneficiaries therefrom, just like the Blacks after Brown v. the Board of Education, any stifling of my individual rights would be in conjunction to a general stifling such as that currently underway by Cheney and company, and the Republican party. I am now a card carrying member of the NRA and I know how to use my registered 40 cal. Smith and Weston (although in my liberal days, I did frown on gun ownership). Four years ago I saw the signs of the current xenophobia against against brown hence the change to fully grasping the 2nd Amendment.

Boatloads of immigrants is a Cuban issue. You, Preacher, don't know what you are talking about and your query is just as ill-informed. And you, Assassin and your talk of borders and fairness, I am well aware that rather than concern for security, the current trend to using force to protect the borders, including the idiotic idea of fencing, is the manifestation of the United States Government's true nature as on occupying force.

I try to give everyone a chance before I judge. Show me a little and I can easily size you up. Just like you can spot me as not being WASP (the Supreme court judged my ethnicity to be of the White race), I can spot a right-winged nut just by his or her demeanor. It comes from years of walking in crowds of whites and having the feeling of being invisible, and perhaps being one out of 130 students in a law school class room who was not white-skinned.

Do you want to try asking me for my identification or telling me to go back to where I came from?

Preacher Boob @ 17:

chicano2nd @ 16:

Preacher Boob @ 10:

If boatloads of Chinese escapees were being dumped on SoCal beaches late at night, to become illegal aliens in the US, would the Latino(a) population think it reasonable for them (the Latinos) to be stopped to see if they were illegal Chinese aliens?

Assassin @ 5:

"We never hear about the illegal whites, Asians or some other group in the United States."

To be fair, no Asian or European country directly borders the United States, so none of their citizens can just walk into the USA like someone can from Mexico. Sure, there're whites in Canada, but what incentive do any of them have to sneak in here when their economy is stronger than ours? I suppose they could sneak in just to point fingers and laugh at us, ala Nelson Muntz, but their silly accents would give them away quickly.

My ex-spouse, with whom I still have a very cordial relationship and I have nurtured to adulthood two very productive, college-educated children, comes from a family that has roots in Southern Colorado dating back several centuries. As such, without ever moving, they have been citizens of Spain, los Estados Unidos de Mexico and now the United States of America. Ironically, her grandfather was a survivor of the Titanic, having been orphaned by the death of his parents who did not survive. He was adopted by her great grandparents but kept his parent's German surname of Kaber, a well-known rancher and cowboy in the San Luis Valley.

My now significant other traces her roots to Spanish Colonial frontier settlements in Northern New Mexico. Her grandmother, Fanny Clark, an Irish immigrant traveled to the Southwest in a covered wagon. Her genealogical background includes Spanish, Mexican and Navajo ancestry.

My father's family traces to Zacatecas, Mexico. In addition to Spanish ancestry, there is some mestizo and Apache blood, Apaches who fled the white onslaught by going to Mexico. His family came back to Colorado again when he was two years old. He worked in the steel mills from age 16 until his retirement. He was naturalized when he was in the United Stated Army, having been drafted to fight in World War II.

I was born on the windiest day ever recorded in Southern Colorado, at least since such records have been kept. Buckminster Fuller is documented somewhere to have said "We are the Universe conscience of itself." Taking a cue from him, I hold that where I live now is and will continue to be the center of my universe and this is where I will defend my existence until I no longer do.

I am a veteran of he Navy hospital corps, having advanced to the level of E-5, Petty Officer 2nd Class in 22 months. I was courted as a potential officer but within several days of having enlisted, I knew I made a mistake and declined further involvement past my enlistment period. I am grateful for the experience from an educational standpoint because it opened my perspective that the military is a microcosm of the class-conscious American society, unlike the class free propaganda I had been fed in the American educational system. I was, of course discouraged from speaking Spanish in the educational setting and by the end of 1st grade I forgot just about every thing relevant to being articulate in Spanish. I had to relearn and did to the point where I taught basic Spanish in a community college. (Yes, I am a Viet Nam vet.)

Upon my discharge and enrollment back into college, having experienced other cultures in my Asian tour, I became a Chicano. I am a Chicano secondary to being a citizen of the United States and a true believer in the United States Constitution. The framers did not foresee that once we became beneficiaries therefrom, just like the Blacks after Brown v. the Board of Education, any stifling of my individual rights would be in conjunction to a general stifling such as that currently underway by Cheney and company, and the Republican party. I am now a card carrying member of the NRA and I know how to use my registered 40 cal. Smith and Weston (although in my liberal days, I did frown on gun ownership). Four years ago I saw the signs of the current xenophobia against against brown hence the change to fully grasping the 2nd Amendment.

Boatloads of immigrants is a Cuban issue. You, Preacher, don't know what you are talking about and your query is just as ill-informed. And you, Assassin and your talk of borders and fairness, I am well aware that rather than concern for security, the current trend to using force to protect the borders, including the idiotic idea of fencing, is the manifestation of the United States Government's true nature as on occupying force.

I try to give everyone a chance before I judge. Show me a little and I can easily size you up. Just like you can spot me as not being WASP (the Supreme court judged my ethnicity to be of the White race), I can spot a right-winged nut just by his or her demeanor. It comes from years of walking in crowds of whites and having the feeling of being invisible, and perhaps being one out of 130 students in a law school class room who was not white-skinned.

Do you want to try asking me for my identification or telling me to go back to where I came from?

No, we'll just ignore you, unless and until we determine you're an illegal alien. Then, adios.

And you are an immaterial human being, jerk.

harsh immigrant rhetoric???

it should read...harsh illegal immigrant rhetoric

There's no need for any manner of fence or patrol along the border. Just have chicano2nd stand there and regale incoming travelers with paragraph upon paragraph of who knows what. They'll either fall asleep, or run back in the other direction screaming.

Who cares about the "Latino" vote, if that vote may or may not be counted by a private, for profit corporations, very hackable machines. ¿Cómo se dice "Diebold" en español?

http://bradblog.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

hola xicano2nd. I noticed your reference to Brown v. BoE. Have you ever heard of the school Academia Semillas? Do they have anything like this out in Colorado?
http://www.academiasemillas.com/

There are just as many Latino asshats as any other nationality. They crave the same things as rednecks crave--authoritarianism and dogma. Look at Alberto Gonzales. He only cared about the power he could gather to himself. Plenty of Latinos are in the same mold, and they will follow whoever fits their basic needs. They say an environmentalist is someone who built their cabin in the woods yesterday. The only Latinos who are really concerned about the hateful immigrant rhetoric are those that are liberal anyway. I imagine there is a hardcore base of Latinos who will vote Republican no matter what they say. About 24%, eh?

"My thoughts are that a lot of people should form their opinions on truth and not depend on the media and the liberals to feed you their propaganda!!"

Lee,

You are so right, your opinions on truth are the really, really truthy ones.
Wait, I forgot to add the defining, super secret, decoding double exclaimation points!!

Terrorists do not cross the dangerous Mexican borders illegally.
Terrorists will try to cross border by legal means and or use false documentation.
Terrorists will dress up like educated westerners.
Terrorists use the safer, gentler Canadian border and never the Mexican border.
Tieing the Terrorist issue with Illegal Immigration is the biggest BS ever with these two issues.
The ones responsilbe for 911 entered the US LEGALY!! they attended Flight School legally!

stunted @ 28:

...No gringo I know is chomping at the bit to mow lawns, pack meat and wash dishes....

Get real. most people who do those jobs are legal American citizens. These are the people who are struggling to get by, and that last thing they need is competition from people who will work for less than minimum wage. There are plenty of people like this in my family, and to see other liberals fighting hard to let illegals come take their jobs is a real slap in the face. On this issue, too many liberals are standing with big business fighting for cheap labor.

chicano2nd @ 26:

Who are the immigrants? Who crossed the oceans to rape, plunder and steal here?

AMEN TO YOU COMMENT ABOUT WHO CROSSED THE OCEANS!!! A QUOTE WAS ON THE INTERNET SOME TIME AGO THAT STATED, "JUST ASK THE NATIVE AMERICANS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS!" MOST OF THE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES , EXCEPT FOR THE NATIVE AMERICANSHERE, ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.

Tancredo'd!

chicano2 "...without ever moving, they have been citizens of Spain, los Estados Unidos de Mexico and now the United States of America. Ironically, her grandfather was a survivor of the Titanic, having been orphaned by the death of his parents who did not survive. He was adopted by her great grandparents but kept his parent’s German surname of Kaber, a well-known rancher and cowboy in the San Luis Valley..."

One can tell who actually read what chicano2 said by their responses. most of the trolls, just like to be clever and funny. but racism is not funny.
The point is you can't tell if someone is legal by looking at them and that is what people are doing. Puerto Ricans are legal, chicano2 is legal. shall we have a test that any cop can perform? In South Africa under apartheid there was a "pencil test" that cops could subject any black person to. if a pencil was stuck into their hair and it didn't fall out, they were black. I am not making this up. i am friends with many black and white South Africans and they are all aware of it. Racism can be reduced to the most hysterical terms possible.
i wonder what the rates of illegal immigrants is compared to the number of jobs lost by americans from being laid of by corportaions that are recording record profits. as long as idiots like preacherboob and assasin and ysbaddaden continue to support the people who exploit them, the fear factor will continue.

LiberalTarian @ 29:

There are just as many Latino asshats as any other nationality. They crave the same things as rednecks crave--authoritarianism and dogma. Look at Alberto Gonzales. He only cared about the power he could gather to himself. Plenty of Latinos are in the same mold, and they will follow whoever fits their basic needs. They say an environmentalist is someone who built their cabin in the woods yesterday. The only Latinos who are really concerned about the hateful immigrant rhetoric are those that are liberal anyway. I imagine there is a hardcore base of Latinos who will vote Republican no matter what they say. About 24%, eh?

Having lived in South Florida for many years, and still owning a small house there, I agree with you about Latino asshats. Down there, they're almost exclusively Cubans who are still pissed that Castro took away their corrupt Batista regime. They vehemently oppose ANY attempt at reconciliation with Cuba, demand the embargo stays in place, but are HUGE hypocrites in that they send their relatives still living there tons of U.S. cash. And they firmly support this country's racist policy of allowing any Cuban who steps on U.S. soil automatic citizenship, while sending Haitians back to Haiti. These folks even disown the younger generation of Cuban-Americans who prefer a more common-sense policy toward Cuba.

Yes, when you refer "Latino asshat," most all Floridians (including most non-Cuban latinos) will immediately think "Cuban."

SteveGinIL @ 40:

Lee Says:

What is this about the republicans FEAR and HATRED of people with a different colored skin. Whoever you are and you think this, take a second look at President Bush’s cabinet and the people he deals with on a daily basis.

hahahah! You call Rice and Gonzo black and Latino?

In decades past they would be called Oreos, ones who sold out their heritages. ONE person with black skin and ONE Hispanic are TOKENS.

Gonzales never was allowed to make any decisions. He was there SOLELY so that gullible (and very possibly racist) people like you could point and say, "See? We let ANYBODY in!"

Ditto with Rice. She was never allowed to make any decisions. She was there SOLELY so that gullible (and very possibly racist) people like you could point and say, "See? We let ANYBODY in!"

In other words, they scammed you with those lackeys.

Just like Clarence Thomas. Who is so dumb he won't even open up his mouth in the Supreme Court chamber, for fear everyone's suspicions will be borne out that he wasn't "the best candidate" for the position. He was "the best" solely because he was the only black lawyer they knew. He was a token black in college and he remains one now. At least Thurgood Marshall was a real black man.

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The whole immigration thing is a racist spiel. If they wanted to make a dent in making the whole system work, they would do what Arizona is finally doing, going after the employers. And if they wanted to straighten it up long term, the only two ways are to open up legal immigration visas to vastly larger numbers of Latinos (they are going to be here one way or another and periodic amnesties are stupid), and for Mexico to cut down on their birth rate so that jobs can catch up with their population. The latter the U.S. can't directly affect, but the former we can. The only question if they are going to be here is legally or not? Which one actually works? The current way doesn't work, obviously (except for employers who want to pay a non-living wage and who know the government won't come after them).

ANY approaches that only attack the symptoms are pretty freaking dumb.

And the GOP, which claims to be the practical party, knows it. And while they can get mileage from the border states' racism against the brown hoard, they aren't going to change their tactics. Especially if folks like you, Lee, keep falling for the smoke screen, and for token minority appointments.

Proposals that are couched in 'protecting us against terrorists' coming in from the south - which is something that has not ever happened, as opposed to through our airports and across the Canadian border - have to be seen for what they are: racism against brown people.

Token oreos or no, Lee, the GOP's racism is disgusting in America, 2008. Most people see through it, even if you don't.

I would add that the U.S. needs to stop supporting Mexican politics-as-usual, i.e. corruption at the top that allows a very small minority of rich folks to control the economy and forces the poor to look to the U.S. as their only viabale source of income to support their families.

I'll also blame the Catholic Church, which won't allow the devout to use birth control, and hence the large number of kids one has to support (unlike many American Catholics, who "leave their religion outside the bedroom door.")