U.S. Sponsored Republican Front Group Claims Kenyan President Lost Election
McClatchy via Yahoo:
An exit poll carried out on behalf of a U.S. government-backed foundation indicated that Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki suffered a resounding defeat in last month's disputed election, according to officials with knowledge of the document.
The poll by the Washington -based International Republican Institute — not yet publicly released— further undermines Kibaki's claims of a narrow re-election victory. The outcome has sparked protests and ethnically driven clashes nationwide, killing hundreds.
It wasn't clear why the International Republican Institute — which has conducted opinion polls and observed elections in Kenya since 1992— isn't releasing its data. A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Kenya confirmed that a poll was conducted but referred questions to the institute, where officials couldn't be reached for comment.
Kenyan activists called on U.S. officials to release any data that would shed light on election fraud. Read on...
Upon further review, it turns out that GOP presidential candidate John McCain is on the board of directors for this non-partisan Republican group. He wants to be our president and engaged in the voting process, I think he should come forward and explain why his group hasn't made the polling data available to the public. Other names of interest on the board of directors are L. Paul Bremer and Lawrence Eagleburger. These people are just fine with fair and honest elections -- just as long as they're outside the United States.
The magic word here is "republican." A good reason to believe that their "results" are a fraud, just like their lame, bankrupt party.
Seems like maybe the Republicans are torn between letting someone steal an election and being honest. I think that perhaps they need to be reminded that this isn't the United States and its o.k. to report on a stolen election.
"These people are just fine with fair and honest elections — just as long as they’re outside the United States. "
Is this an actual admission by C&L that U.S. voting is frequently rigged ?
I don't know what to think about this. Hasn't Bremer pretty much destory anything he touches? And what about McCain. My head is spinning.
I'm sure somehow, it fits into game theory. Just watch the BBC doco series "The Trap" all about it. Pretty much explains a whole lot...you won't look at the candidates motivations and policies in the same light ever again.
Game theory has fucked us.
I'm sure they're holding back the info because they want the current guy. Probably cursing the fact people realized they have potential poll rigging data.
Anyone who trusts the Republicans on anything at this point has to be completely naive. Then again, this could all be some sorta double bluff!
my take on this is that they tried to steal that election,and those people would have none of it.hmmmmm?
ODM/Raila Odinga propaganda at its best - let me refresh memories for a moment .News reports reporting election day exit polls In kenya on election day said diffrent -Raila is a British stooge and they are behind the propaganda campaign against Kikuyus
LOOK AT THE LINKS
Kibaki leads in Exit polls
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL277107920071227?feedType=RSS...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22409473/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4057152
So As a kenyan and a kibaki supporter my question is where were this exit polls on election day . Isnt it funny that exit polls showing Kibaki lost showed up when the election dispute has been going on for almost three weeks .But on the day exit polls were conducted and before the dispute all wire services and pollster said Kibaki won
P.S Not to rub it in for all pro ODM Bloggers and press didnt exit polls show Barack Obama winning NH .Yet the results showed different
iraqconcilable @ 3:
C&L has done many posts on voting issues. The link below will take you to our voting rights posts.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/voting-rights/
Paul Bremer....anything and everything that prick touches turns to shit, so doubt if
this particular Republican Polling results are reliable or creditable; at least I am suspect
since he was involved.
Well, according to their polling data it would appear that the winner of the Kenyan election was actually George W. Bush.
Read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein. It will explain everything about what's going on in Kenya.
Logan Murphy @ 8:
Fair enough . My apologies , but what I was getting at is the failure to investigate electronic vote hacking as a legitimate cause for the New Hampshire polling discrepancies .
eaglebugger; the man that sold the concept of yugoslavia down the river for a few pieces of gold. I expect he is real happy as his 8th chin has been born, and he is reaping the profits of the government he represents today. Is it Serbia? Croatia?, can't be the yugo, you helped kill that one. former secretary of state that was working for a foreign government above doing his job for our country. his boss was an idiot too. low grade moron I believe, certainly cretin like. later suffered from dementia and I forget what that last one is before you lose it?
These fellows don't needs facts, They don't have data, they have only conclusions.
Let me guess, current president, "bad" he has a democracy. the guy they want elected good because he wants to be a dictator. when it walks, talks (quacks) like a duck, it is a duck. If it supports dictators but no democracy based governments, guess you are a fascist, no? If you can't name a single client that is involved in freedom of any kind, it makes you a fascist, hm? If all you actions for all the years you have been doing your job have always been working with dictators to retain power or overthrow democratically elected governments that you have paid them for, guess you like dictators most of all.
ain't that ameica, for you and me. ain't that america, it's something to see baby
Jesus! I need a drink. I hate getting up in the morning. Anything Republican totally sucks!
Non-partisan Republican group, eh?
*bangs head against wall*
The US are the last country, I don't care whether democrat or republican to be telling other people how to manage their elections.
Sure they support fair and honest elections. Like Mexico, Iraq, Nigeria and all over the world as long it is their puppets win. If not don't release the real results and say the puppets won anyway.
Biggus Diggus @ 11 -
Can you elucidate your point a bit further, rather than ask us to read Ms. Klein's book and try to figure out what you're getting at? Are you saying that Milton Friedman was somehow involved in all this? Or that all rigged elections are the sign of "Shock" capitalism at work? You can do better, my son.
Fox Conscience @ 16:
Agreed. Rumor has it that the reason the official results are not being released is because
this particular Republican Polling Assoc. used "Diebold" when counting...just joking, but
would not be too surprised if that were the case since Diebold is Republican owned/controlled and can be maniulated as has been proven.
I'm waiting to hear more but, it reminds me of the "Frank or Beans" moment in "There's Something About Mary".
why are republicans putting intellectual stock into exit polls? scroll down a couple ticks, and you'll see an op-ed from Karl Rove denouncing the accuracy and legitimacy of exit polls. (the "Karl Rove is a racist" post).
flip flop much, International Republican Institute? ;)
Mr. Pelicano @ 10:
LOL good one.
After reading this thread I think it is important to point out that the only hope for the United States is that the electorate be educated on the candidate. Republicans vote for who they are told to vote for, their opinions are formed by negative attack ads and misleading slogans. However being completely polarized against the right has led to the dilema of voting for a democrat that is already in the pockets of lobbyists.
Ultimately if America wants to save itself it needs to vote on principles and not on glitz.
What America needs is an independent party, to purge the supreme court, to throw out electronic voting, to have public funded elections with no corporate sponsorship, get rid of lobbyists, and to realize that outsourcing amounts to corporate treason.
Also America has to realize that GW is not stupid, he just plays stupid so that he can't be called what he truly is, a puppet for greed and evil.
This is the same group that fomented a violent military coup in Haiti and we're supposed to believe them....why?
I wish this read:
U.S. Sponsored REpublican (or Democratic) front Group Claims BUSH lost the Election!
(I can dream right?)
"These people are just fine with fair and honest elections — just as long as they’re outside the United States."
So long as the person elected in that country represents US interests. Otherwise they are likely to be over thrown in some CIA backed coup. Whereas in this country they just throw the election before hand.
If you think Kibaki won the election, you have even less of an idea of what Bushco is doing in east Africa than most.
The non-release of the exit poll is because it doesn't serve their purposes. "We didn't think it made sense to put out what could be an invalid poll in a climate of great tension," he said.
Btw, the fleet's return to the Gulf (celebrated by Irani speedboats) is probably because they were offshore during the Kenyan election, to make sure things went 'OK.'
sounds like florida and ohio all over again.
joe @ 7:
A primary 80% counted on UNSECURED Diebold tabulators.
Why wasn't there a recount in Kenya?
So who the hell cares whether the kings of rigging elections claim the election is fair!
Sure, they have a special perspective on it, but you can't trust those who rig elections to monitor them as well.
What does the UN say about it?
I trust them WAY more than ANY US representative on this particular subject (and many others as well).
And aren't the Repugs in the process of claiming election polls aren't accurate and don't work?
Oh yeah, that's only HERE.
Explain to me again why anyone thinks this country is a democracy?
Just look at your own coverage of the primaries. We all realize how un-democratic they are when we see exactly what's happening in each state up close and personal thanks to the innernets. It can be gamed in so many ways -- and is. Now the question is: What are we going to do about it?
I heard from a friend in Kenya, who was with EU election observers, that Kibaki didnt just lose the election, but lost it by quite a margin. An EU observer stated that he was shocked not just on how the election was rigged, but how it was so blatantly done.
Again I haven't heard any of these details from any EU statements.
Why? well i suspect that it might be because Kibaki is much more favourable to the int'l community.
these front groups always want what's white
family in Kenya @ 32:
Bingo! Odinga is a leftist, and the Bushies would not like their Africa to go the way of S. America.
International Republican Institute! Sure sounds like a fair and balanced organization to me.
moonsha @ 35:
Well, you will notice they didn't publish their exit poll when it came up with the wrong result.
family in Kenya @ 32:
There have been quite a few headlines on exactly that, though the sad thing is that those headlines have recently been covered up by headlines of (political sponsored) tribal violence.
AshWilliams @ 37:
Kenya has some thinly-papered over race problems, but this is Jefferson's Law (that those who make legal election impossible make violent revolution occur).
We were screwed in New Hampshire. We were screwed in California. We were screwed in Mexico. We were screwed in Haiti. We were nearly screwed in Venezuela. We were screwed in Qatar (Syriana). We were screwed in France. We were screwed in Canada. All this within Bush's reign, and leaving out the obvious.
We just scored big in Australia, and we're going to score big in America this year again, if we keep demanding and fighting for LEGAL elections, unquestionably fair and accurate, hopefully without machetes.
joe @ 7:
I dont intend to start a Kenyan war on this but people like this make me sick..and the problem is that you don't get the point. For anyone who is not Kenyan.. think of PNU (Kikuyu/GEMA) as Republicans..Big Government, Corruption..Corporate Money....And they don't see what the big deal is.. It's the f@#cking arrogance of it all. Kibaki rigged the election, everyone and their mother knows that. I don't give a shit whether he keeps the presidency, old and senile..almost dead anyway.. Just don't go around gloating and acting like now that he "won", everything will be back to normal..the status quo has been preserved..everyone else should just shut the hell up.. Let's go ahead and swear in the president before people even realise the election results are out..You can only disenfranchise people for so long..You think the violence especially in the rural areas was an accident? I'm sure you don't give a rats ass about the people whose lives got taken away..again, the price paid to maintain the status quo..You think people are too illiterate to figure out that you can't win 75% of the provinces and loose a presidential election..you can't have 3 times the MPs of the next closest party and not be the 'Winners'.. You don't journalists or scientists to tell you something is wrong.. And you dare gloat while people are angry because they are taken for fools.. And don't tell me I read you wrong..I could see your grin..in BOLD print...You my friend are a f-ing moron..
Paul in LA @ 38:
A few comments: Welcome to the next, next war. Bush has been building Africa Command for a few years now. They're probably wanting to flex their muscles. Engineer a little instability in Kenya, boom! Instant chance.
Chavez isn't socialist, at least in the Euromerican sense. He's a Right-Wing South American politician. The southern subcontinent has always hated the Colossus of the North for interfering in their affairs.
Ironic, isn't it? A former colonial region now an Imperialist state.
I don't know anything about Kenyan politics, but I do know enough about the IRI to know not to
trust whatever they're up to in Kenya.
In Haiti they supported a coup. And they partnered with Haiti's traditional death squad guys (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200106/grann) and their employers, the traditional Haitian elite/CIA. The IRI is clearly not a proponent of human rights, democracy and/or fair elections.
As a result of this successful partnership approximately 8000-10,000 people were killed in the coup and its aftermath from 2004-2006 (http://www.democracynow.org/2006/8/31/shocking_lancet_study_8_000_murders).
The Coup Connection: How an organization financed by the U.S. government has been promoting the overthrow of elected leaders abroad
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2004/11/11_401.html
"The evidence is clear: U.S. weapons (intended for the
Dominican army) were smuggled into Haiti by former Haitian military
and para--military, many of whom were trained and long funded by the
CIA and other U.S. agents. U.S. money, both government and private,
flowed into the coffers of NGOs attached to the "opposition" -- the
right--wing Convergence and the neo--liberal "Group of 184," led by
the Haitian business elite (including the sweat--shop owners) and
widely publicized by the ultra--conservative "Haiti Democracy
Project"(HDP) in Washington, D.C. Among the funders and organizers of
the opposition were the IRI and NDI, the international NGOs closely
tied to the U.S. Republican and Democrat Parties respectively. IRI
and HDP operatives were present at meetings organized by FRAPH (a
CIA--funded para--military group) and former Haitian military in the
Dominican Republic -- at which Dominican authorities claimed plans
were laid a year ago for a Haitian coup."
"The Theater of Coup. - Dramatis Personae: Roger Noriega and "The
Opposition"." by Gilbert Wesley Purdy. (Catalyzer Journal.com 2004)
http://inthenameofdemocracy.org/en/node/101
And some people still refer to John McCain as a "respectable maverick?" He's an essential component of the machine (Chairman of the board of IRI!)
General_Rennenkampf @ 40:
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