Bush 'disowns' intelligence estimate on Iran
By Steve Benen Monday Jan 14, 2008 2:44pm
Most of the world experienced a collective sigh of relief recently when the Bush administration released the conclusions of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, and the collective judgment of U.S. intelligence officials is that Iran halted its nuclear-weapons program more than four years ago. Without an imminent nuclear threat, the neocon dream of a military confrontation with Iran seemed effectively off the table.
Of course, that’s only true if the president is willing to take the NIE seriously. There’s growing evidence that he does not.
[I]n private conversations with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert last week, the president all but disowned the document, said a senior administration official who accompanied Bush on his six-nation trip to the Mideast. “He told the Israelis that he can’t control what the intelligence community says, but that [the NIE’s] conclusions don’t reflect his own views” about Iran’s nuclear-weapons program, said the official, who would discuss intelligence matters only on the condition of anonymity.
What I can’t quite wrap my head around is the notion that the president has “views” that differ significantly from his own intelligence reports. If the NIE on Iran is based on available evidence, and Bush has decided to “all but disown” the NIE, what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?
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Just shows again what disdain Bush has for everyone but himself. And what an idiot he is.
He lives by his own reality.
His desire to pursue a predetermined course of action.
We're going to be dragged into WWIII by a man that hallucinates his view of the world.
Our ships are playing in Iranian waters, breaking international law even as we blog, in order to try to start a new Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Which candidate do you want, leading us in a war against Iran with no objectives.
Somebody please stick a sock in his mouth or put his foot back in!
he's reading from the script . . . the neoconmen want to deeply wound Iran because they have resisted assimilation into the western borg.
By the way, I have never been affiliated with nor do I believe in "White Al Kida" which Fox news is pushing.
I rented the movie, "Children of Men" this weekend . . . visually stunning . . . a vision of future police state.
"what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?
Hmmm. Crack?
Funny, but in a dark way, when intelligence says we are about to be hit, he ignores it.
Now intelligence says we are not about to be hit and he ignores that too. Anyone who ignores those two things is truly an ignorant. (taking poetic license with the word a bit)
He is one damned dangerous and possibly mentally deranged man.
I can't help but wonder if this is a set up, and/or conditioning for another False Flag opperation, to save the GOP's bacon running up to the election. Their Brand is WAR; they are nothing without it.
>What I can’t quite wrap my head around is the notion that the president has “views” that differ significantly from his own intelligence reports.
Where the heck have ya been for the last 7 years ...
If he listens to anyone else, he ain't the Decider is he?
"bush" and "intelligence" in the same sentence...it boggles the mind.
Steve Benen said,
"If the NIE on Iran is based on available evidence, and Bush has decided to “all but disown” the NIE, what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?
I say, ...basis for his views?... probably the "Mossad's Intelligence Estimate"
GWB is the legacy of the entire Bush family...well deserved.
This is easy to answer.
His sense of single-minded sense of self-righteousness.
Bush believes that he is only the person who is willing to stand up against the terrorist and muslim world, and say that "F**k you Muslims, We are Christians, and we are here to stay!".
And he believes that he is only person who can prevent another world catastrophe.
Bush also believes, that "The hippies, and byproduct of the hippies of this world (referring to Clinton, Obama, and all Democrats)", cannot make this world at peace. Only the Christian's values plus strict adherence to Christian's order and dogma can make this world at peace. After all, I (Bush) used to be a drunk, now I am saved by Christ, and lead this world towards peace and harmony.
Dick Cheney.
Bush is a shipwreck. He will not be satisfied until we Americans are the most despised in the world. He has destroyed our military, treasury, the DOJ, the working class. He truly is the worst president we ever had.
During the pentagon briefing today a reporter asked about another incident in December when boats approached one of our ships and the ship fired upon them in the Gulf of Hormuz. The reporter wanted to know why those boats were fired upon but the most recent ones were not. The guy giving the briefing said there were fewer boats involved in the Dec incident and they weren't behaving as erratically.
Made no sense to me either.
Damn, I can't wait to get that asshole out of the public eye. He's been such a horrific infection to the world, our morale, everything!
I can hardly believe that there are people in this country who would actually support another 4 years of rethug killing, war, corporate rule, fiscal disaster.
We're headed for unprecedented economic turmoil, and a Dem will likely be the next president, just in time to take blame for it. This has been the rethug plan all along.
It's called "Take the money and run...and come back in 4 years to do it all over again."
milquetoast @ 12:
Again, this idiot in charge, has been mixing up reading the NIE report with one of those
pop up books. The latter being which serves as the basis of his views..fiction.
and we know how well his "views" have served us in the past!
"I'm sure people view me as a warmonger"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/15/bush-im-sure-people-vi_n_81627....
Gee, I wonder why?
Chimpy doesn't like facts, doesn't need facts. Never has. Never will. Why is anyone surprised?
I wonder what the people of the middle east think ? Who do they feel is more unstable and more dangerous, Iran or the US? I gotta feeling I know the answer to that question.
His views are based on something he read, he wrote something down and read it. (play on a steven wright bit.)
"what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?"
Whatever PNAC deigns to command him. William Kristol and his "Chicago Boy" butt-buddies have more influence on US policy than the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, 200+ years of legal precedent and the will of the people combined.
He wants war with Iran...or his puppetmaster does. That's the only "fact" he needs.
It is simple.
His views are not based on intelligence.
His or anyone eles.
pissed off patricia @ 23:
Not only middle east people; but my daughter resides(and has for 7 plus years) in
Germany, and most of the European people feel the same...the US of A is more dangerous.
Ruthless People @ 21:
Yeah but I'm sure when he has those kind of thoughts all he has to do is hum a little "You and Me Against the World" and it puts him in his happy place.
For years I've objected to the expression from anybody who's in charge or giving orders, "I feel that . . . "
Dammit, a person in that position isn't supposed to base actions on what they FEEL, they're supposed to base them on what they THINK and what they KNOW. (Alas, therein lies the rub for Bushie...)
It's part of the dumbing down of our culture. Feeling is not synonymous with "knowing."
Perhaps what's most frightening to the rest of the world, is that while
the U.S. is being run by an illiterate, incoherent, war mongering,
oil monkey, the best most concerned Americans seem able to do
is to write to a blog.
It hasn't been long ago that we all learned of the Downing Street Memos. We learned that it was the policy of the Bush administration was to "fix the intelligence around the policy". Just because the intelligence community preempted the administration doesn't mean that they still don't plan to fix the cherry picked, made up, or old and no longer useful intelligence to fit their policy.
Christopher Turkel @ 15:
Nuh uh, God speaks to Georgie privately. You or I say that God speaks to us privately and it's commitment time. The man with the most deadly arsenal of WMDs in history says it and we let him stay in charge. Go figure.
His gut...come on, I can't be the only one here who's watched the Colbert evisceration of Bush? Bush doesn't need facts or books or educated opinions...everything real comes from the gut, and his gut tells him that Iran is making nuclear weapons. Bush is also a creationist despite all evidence against. What do these two things have in common?
Remember, as was made vividly clear in the documentary No End In Sight (which cited numerous officials who were privy to intelligence information), Bush frequently makes decisions on position papers and analysis pieces WITHOUT FREAKIN READING THEM! Sounds like what some of my undergraduate students are prone to do -- that is, until I disabuse them of this by pointing to their utterly ridiculous logic. We MUST be vigilent in pointing out Bush's groundless rationale for such mere opinions. It is absolutely vital that we avoid a conflict with Iran, not simply because human life is valuable, not simply because it will destabilize the Middle East, not only because it will ruin our foreign policy for the near future, but because it will send our country into an enormous, grinding recession, wherein numerous people will lose their jobs, infrastructe will rot, and the poor and disenfranchised will be exploited.
The leader of the free world feels pressured by the Prime Minister of a tiny country and disowns his country's best intelligence. Who's the real "decider"?
Bush is a full blown lunatic. What is really shocking is that he continues to illegitimately occupy the office of President of the United States of America. What is this simpleton impostor doing there and why isn't he in jail? Does the planet have to sprout mushroom clouds ala WWIII to get this through our collective heads he is not healthy for pets and other living things? The guy is wacko, a lulu cookoo, a ditsy doodle doodoo, a a giant hunk of numbskull, and a bonafide dimwit. It could be amusing that he is still running around pretending to be Napoleon except for the mass murder and international war criminal charges... Get this sociopath out of OUR HOUSE!
Good point. If the president has formed an opinion that differs from published reports, he has the obligation to publish a separate report, and cite sources.
You have to wonder if Olmart asked Bush on what does he base his views on. NOT!
Just like Richard Clarke wasn't more meeting with or listening to in the run up to PNAC presents 911. Who will fight this war for President Petulant Fuckup anyways ? Getting in a draft through the backdoor is probably part of the plan also. That way the whiney assed Repukians can bitch and whine about the ( Dems ) war and the toll its having on Americas beloved youth. Gets funnier and more disgusting every day. Had enough yet ?
If you have not already done so, please take a moment to register for the draft. It'll save you sometime in the future. Also, you'll probably get some free products in the mail. I got a shaver!
His views are based on how much money he can make for himself and his coporate cronies...as well as his Saudi buddies.
You could cut that headline off after the third word
'...what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?'
A photograph of his own a$$hole, which, I'll bet, closely resembles his face.
That this man is mentally unbalanced has been clear for quite some time now. That he still holds office and is capable of doing more damage is unforgiveable. Pelosi and Reid should be replaced for failing to uphold their oaths to defend the constitution. "off the table" my ass.
You left out the best part:
Bush "made it clear that they're an independent agency; that they come to conclusions separate from what I may or may not want." Look at the last seven words "what I may or may not want"......he believes intelligence reports are supposed to say what "HE WANTS"???? Since it doesn't say what he wants he doesn't believe it. He forms his opinions based on ???? and when the intelligence does not agree, it's the intelligence that is wrong?
I thought Bush got "darn good intelligence". I wonder what happened to that?
We may yet see the man removed from office. Stranger things have happened.
Listen, couldn't our Congress people and Justices at least start banging the impeachment as deterrent drum???
Who is/are dumber, Bush or the people who let him get away with this bullshit?
Sorry, the comment left off the website: http://www.sss.gov
Better make sure your commenting system doesn't hate America, ha ha!
... OR ELSE!
fiver @ 36:
BIG OIL is the real decider!
JudyLou @ 30:
Stop it! Saying you feel something and have that mean its BOTH! intellectually and emotionally is the way I think. Its not part of some dumbing down of our culture. Stop being elitist and snobbish.
He later qualified his statement to "I can no longer control what the intelligence agencies say"
Chicken Little - NOT!! @ 33:
yep...I do believe God has been speaking with Dubya again! George and his "faith based" gut feeling!!
Watch out. I don't want that "Here we go again" feeling!!
“He told the Israelis that he can’t control what the intelligence community says . . " Translation: Bush can't control the facts. He can only say he knows that facts are wrong because, er, uh, well, not because he has actual evidence to dispute what 16 intelligence agencies agree on ("I don need no stinkin' facts") but because he just KNOWS they are wrong.
Oh, to be so gifted . . . .
diane @ 46:
Quote can be found here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/01/20080115-1.html
I didn't read that the Irainians didn't have nooks in MY PET GOAT so I don't believe them stoopid NIE reports. MY PET GOAT is a better buke.
Georgie
Bush gets his Intel from Allah/Yeoweh/Adonai-Jehovah/El-Shaddai/Jehovah-Elohim ... they are all speaking into his ear. How else do you think he can do all the great things he's done?
OF COURSE he disowned the intelligence estimate - he disowned intelligence itself decades ago!
I swear this attitude is exactly why Big Energy so heavily funds creationism/intelligent design. Forget about evidence or data; all "beliefs" are equal. Evolution? Global warming? Iranian WMD? They're "just theories," and any opposing "belief" is automatically equally valid.
Faith-Based Leadership perhaps? the $20 bn investment in our military complex from the saudis? Pure end-of-world-rapturism?
McMike @ 49:
Man, that's a messed up site. The writing style is Orwellian to say the least.
I like how it says "If, and when" the draft is instituted...
Scott Ritter has said that there is no hard evidence to prove that Iran has ever had a Nuclear weapons program
Scott Ritter has said that there is no proof that there ever was an Iranian Program before 2003
http://www.truthdig.com/interv.....with_iran/
“Now we have a National Intelligence Estimate that is released that says, “Time out. There hasn’t been a nuclear weapons program in Iran since 2003.” Now I need to make a point here: I continue to say that there’s never been a nuclear weapons program in Iran. And the National Intelligence Estimate doesn’t provide any evidence to sustain its assertion that there was a nuclear program. But be that as it may, they’re saying that the concept of Iran today pursuing nuclear weapons is a fallacy. There’s no data to promote this.”
More from Scott
“Ritter: Not only does the Bush administration continue to say that Iran is a terrorist state, that it supports terrorists who were directly or indirectly involved in the events of Sept. 11, 2001. The United States Senate has passed a resolution that says the same thing and certifies the Iranian Revolutionary Guard command is a terrorist organization. So anybody who thinks for a second this National Intelligence Estimate somehow retards the ability of the Bush administration to engage in military action against Iran, you’re sadly mistaken. The Bush administration’s policy has been made. This estimate was not used to make that policy, and as you yourself have reflected, the president’s not going to let this estimate get in the way of his continuing to articulate Iran as a threat.”
Scott Ritter and Sy Hersh on Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XctgkYj5aVk
No proof that Iran has ever had such a program
Lavrov: ‘No proof Iran had nuke program’
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Russia’s foreign minister said Wednesday there was no proof that Iran has ever run a nuclear weapons program, and praised Teheran for its readiness to cooperate with the United Nations nuclear watchdog.
[Russia’s Foreign Minister…]
Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
Photo: AP [file]
“Data that we have seen don’t allow to say with certainty that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program,” Sergei Lavrov said when asked to comment on the US intelligence report saying that Iran suspended its efforts to develop nuclear weapons in 2003.
He said he was referring to the intelligence data which Washington had provided to Moscow as part of a dialogue on Iran over the past few years.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
And when his hunch proves wrong, he'll blame the intelligence community.
Bushes 'views' are created by a small chip implanted at the base of his skull. One of the control units for the micro chip was destroyed in the fire at the VP offices last month. Michael Jackson bought the other one. Rupert Murdoch has placed a bid for it.
Andrew @ 47:
the babysitter must have switched his bedtime storybooks around...? ...read him one of the old ones!...
How long did president pimple spend, during his swing through the middle east, in his last overwhelming glorious conquered country. He has a pretty good strut,he should stand out as he struts through downtown Baghdad looking for that merchant that some senator told him he could score a great deal on rugs with.
Thu, 01/10/2008 - 16:08 - Wire Services
US President George W. Bush promised Israel's opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu that the United States will join the Jewish state in a nuclear strike against Iran, Israel Radio reported today.
Former Prime Minister Netanyahu, opposition Likud party's hardline chairman who opposes the US-backed Annapolis peace process, reiterated to President Bush his stance, that a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Iran's nuclear installations was the only way to stop the Islamic nation's nuclear weapons ambitions.
"I told him my position and Bush agreed," Netanyahu told Israel Radio.
Tim @ 67:
Scary stuff. Got a link?
He has disowned intelligence for years.
Bushes 'views' are realized whenever he looks into the toilet after taking a crap. Some people read tarot cards, some read tea leaves, George can read piles of shit....
Lollimom @ 18:
My theory: Rove et al know things are going to suck VERY badly the next 4 years. Best for Hillary to take the blame (and what a wonderful enemy for the GOP). Jeb becomes Bush III in 2013.
Bush 'disowns' intelligence, and intelligence 'disowns' Bush.
Seems fair to me.
If Bush were where he belonged, sitting in his sandbox in Crawford, alternately playing with jacks and marbles, and himself.
when the silver spoon bush eats shit comes out of his own butt, then you know
where he gets his info.........in an abyss of self-imposed ignorance.
VietVet8666 @ 71:
Ahh, someone was reading my posts a few months ago. :)
P.D. @ 16:
That's already a done deal. The only question is - which nation do you think is second?
Q:"If the NIE on Iran is based on available evidence, and Bush has decided to “all but disown” the NIE, what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?"
A:Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmerts views?
The basis for his views?
Bill Kristol and PNAC of course.
Aipac does not care what the NIE reports either. They keep pushing hard for more aggressive action
AIPAC Briefs Hill Staffers on NIE
U.S. Capitol Building
AIPAC Policy and Government Affairs Directors Brad Gordon and Marvin Feuer recently briefed congressional staff about the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran and its potential impact on continuing efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability. They highlighted the report’s findings that Iran has made significant progress in its ability to enrich uranium and that Tehran is susceptible to international pressure, suggesting that a strong international effort to sanction Iran could have an impact on the regime’s nuclear calculations. As part of the discussion, congressional staffers asked questions about the state of Iran’s missile capabilities and the status of U.S. and Israeli missile defense capabilities against the Iranian threat.
# Support Sanctions Against Iran
# Support Divestment from Iran
http://www.aipac.org/1680.asp#6710
Just what would you base any of these actions on. More unsubstantiated claims!
So does this mean that congressional staffers make their decisions on what the NIE reports or what Aipac claims?
What we have here is a monstrous Catch-22.
If 'Intelligence' reports reflected what Bush thought they should, they would not be 'Intelligence' Reports.
So either we do without Bush, or we do without Intelligence, logically.
Yet here we are, in the worst of both worlds, where we're doing without Intelligence, yet we're dealing with Bush.
Which is inherently logical.
Andrew @ 47:
Chimpy just got a new babysitter...a nice Jewish girl (Isreali exchange student w/ visa) (possibly a spy)...she brought a bunch of new (scary) bedtime story books...
Bush is a complete MORON who never used any brains all his boring life.
I can't wait for the After-Bush revelations, where some White House insider reveals that Bush spent most of his 'working day', crouched naked in the Oval Office bathroom, alternately washing his hair and baptizing his penis in the commode, while carrying on an earnest conversation with an invisible Shaman, who apparently pronounced him 'born again', causing stigmata to appear on his navel.
I actually regret posting anything from wire services.. but can anyone confirm to us if "Bush promised Israel's opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu that the United States will join the Jewish state in a nuclear strike against Iran, Israel Radio reported today"?
Link
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=9104
I gotta say Preacher Boob: Your church has some strange rituals.
:)
I just does not matter to Aipac what the Iaea's Director El Baradei says about Iran or what the NIE report says.
No Evidence Iran Building Nuclear Weapons : Mohamed ElBaradei
By The Associated Press
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18636.htm
Charlie Rose: Mohamed ElBaradei in October: "Everybody Agrees ...
stumbleupon :Mohamed ElBaradei in October: "Everybody Agrees" Iran Has No Nuclear Weapon ·
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charlie-rose/mohamed-elbaradei-in-octo_b_7...
Read more of Aipac's latest spin. FACTS JUST DO NOT MATTER
Different Voices, Common Conclusion: Iran Is a Threat
http://www.aipac.org/index_6659.asp
They continue to undermine the UN's findings and the U.S. NIE Report
Check this link. Dr. Mark Martinez comments on Bush failed policies. Great post.
http://www.markmartinezshow.blogspot.com/
kathleen @ 85:
sorry
It just does not matter what the Iaea's Director Elbaradei says or what the NIE report says.
Face it, the Neocons are hellbent on bombing Iran…need proof?
Europe blasts Bush’s ‘arrogant bunker mentality’
Posted January 12, 2008
Frank Lockwood
A new poll, cited on the McLaughlin Group this week, shows President Bush’s approval ratings in single digits in five different European countries. He does worst in France, where 3 percent approve of the job he’s doing.
Majorities of 5500 polled in all five countries say the U.S. poses a threat to world peace.
Bush Promised Israel that He Would Nuke Iran
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_len_hart_080112_bush_promised_is...
Bush Disowns U.S. Intel, Tells Israelis Iran NIE ‘Doesn’t Reflect My Own Views’
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/13/bush-israelis-nie/#comments
It’s a Fake
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hooman-majd/its-a-fake_b_80682.html
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=49176
What is This “Iranian Provocation” BS?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dave_lin_080108_what_is_this__22...
Any questions?
Weaseldog @ 74:
Not really (at least, not on my part).
The rethug list of candidates is absolutely laughable. Do any of us really believe that THIS is the best they can do? Hardly. They have no intention of "winning" the next "s"election (and I am stealing "s"election from somebody here).
Tim @ 83:
This has been widely reported in the European and British press. Asia Times is called Bush an afterthought on the world stage. Americans really despised for allowing Bush to operate as he does without objection.
Some idiot told me Bush was listed in the dictionary, as #1 under 'Intelligence'.
ILMAO, then, just for fun, looked.
OMG, he was right!
Under 'Intelligence', Bush IS #1. Under 'antonyms'.
The one thing we have to be thankful for is that this is not 1966 and the media is not just the state sponsored lines which diictated the Gulf of Tonkin. As fast as The Administration blusters, the story unravels.
If, at this point in time, the "crazies" to use Colin Powells polite terminology, ever managed to get their first strike against Tehran, you can kiss your silly little election, Goodbye!
As soon as the first explosions rocked the suspected nuclear and revolutionary guard sites in Iran, the USA would go into triple K Mart Red White and Blue Flashing light in Aisle three, full tilt terror hysterical panic alert.
At that point, the Masters of Chaos would knock over the chess board and declare that all rules were null and void because of the Safety of the American People. By the time the "rule of law" kicked in, forget it.........Dick Cheney would have the constitution reprinted on a role of Charmin and have used half of it by the time any one could have legally acted!
Viigilance! Before it is too late!
A dumbass president with bought gentlemen C minuses doesn't trust U.S. intelligence agencies. Gosh, maybe because the agencies aren't run by oil corporations and their information isn't biased? Could that possibly be it? or maybe because with half a brain any intellegince experet is twice as smart as Dumbya.
The only use he has for the intellegence community is to either:
Use elements of the intellegence apparatus as his personal on-call henchmen and thugs,
Use them to sample shop around for the intellegence he needs to support his foregone conclusion,
Use them to fabricate intellegence out of whole clothe if sample shopping doesn't work.
The man is criminally insane.
The voices in his head?
basis for his “views”?
Blackmail. You need to understand what's happened to Israel. Most Americans have some romantic ex-50s idea that its some haven for Holocaust Jews. Please. [Edgar Bronfman did not fork over one penny of the $8.6 billion he ripped off of Switzerland to the Holocaust victims.] As one Israeli called it, it's now the Kosher Cayman Islands. It is absolutely lawless and corrupt. But. BUT. It keeps Americans in their place by hurling charges of anti-semitism every time someone bitches what this foreign nation is doing . . . and everyone falls down on cue and apologizes. Bush is being blackmailed to keep whatever is left of his legacy. He's a drunk who physically fights with his wife. And the Israelis know how to take advantage of that.
I see this walking pile of steaming dog shit and I don't even have to read the rest.
You don't have to tell us. We know... it's not good.
shrub's 'view' is whatever cheney tells him it is. darth cheney told the skid mark that owning a colony in the middle east is his destiny. So the skid mark will now repeat whatever talking point phrases cheney teaches him whenever anyone asks about these silly "intelligence" reports.
Isn't gubmint easy?
Of course the skid mark thinks it's "hard work". But that's because he works up a sweat trying to decide what colored cereal to have for breakfast when he gets up at noon.
Here is the answer as to why Mr. Bush is NOT listening to our own National Intelligence Estimate. He's too busy listening to these people:
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
And if you don't think Israel is the biggest threat in the world to the American People and our Constitution, check this out:
http://ussliberty.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/the-cover-up-begins/
I would appreciate hearing comments on these two links.
Thanks.
Look, if Bush were smarter, he wouldn't be Bush.
He'd be a hockey puck in the NHL, or a crab on Coulter's snatch, or a fungi in one of Leezzaa's shoes, or a carcinoma on Cheney's ass.
Barney wised up. Notice you haven't seen him lately?
He was making a habit of pissing in Bush's right shoe.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 88:
All the plans are here
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
And here
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
Did I do something against the rules please let me know? Did I say something wrong? Or link to something inappropriate?
Bush's cavalier dismissal of the NIE undermines American credibility, again.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Monday, Jan. 14, 2008, at 6:04 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2182071/fr/rss/
Kucinich: Evidence Undercuts Bush’s Rhetoric On Iran
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2008-01-14
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/30096
new headline "America ‘disowns’ Bush's intelligence estimate on Iran"
THAT IS THE TRUTH!
RayC @ 51:
Sorry, I'm not elitist or snobbish. I just believe clarity in thinking and writing is desirable in our leaders, particularly when they're trying to start a war or something that's going to involve everybody. Of coure you're free to think/feel as you see fit, but don't commit me to your decisions on that basis
We all have hunches, and my intuition has saved me from bad situations many, many times. So to a point I agree with you. It's just that beyond that point if tricky territory when you're GWB.
"it's tricky territory"
Well, looks like Prez Stupie McFucktard has just dropped that sociopathic hint that we're going to attack Iran.
Chaos
Endless War
Endless War profiteering
That's the name of their game.
How does $7 a gallon of gasoline sound to you?
If the NIE on Iran is based on available evidence, and Bush has decided to “all but disown” the NIE, what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?
Bush doesn't have views -- or a strategy, or a master plan or some hidden logic that will one day be revealed. Like a child, he only knows what he wants, even if doesn't know why he wants it or what to do with it when he gets it.
He wants war with Iran, and he's going to kick and scream and plead and whine until he gets it.
After reading this, all I can think of was Congresswoman Pelosi saying, "impeachment is off the table".
Bush 'thinks' with his gut which is connected to his asshole.
Do something with this idiot before hundreds of thousands more innocent people die.
First word that comes to the mind is: impeach As soon as possible
Please, America if you won't do it for yourselves, will you at least do it
for the rest of the world?
Please, shake off this embarassement of a President and a government
Da Spyda @ 107:
Not in the near future. Oil has reached $100 a barrel and Big Oil has still kept the pump price at $3.00-3.50 a gallon. If they go too much higher, even the T.V. brainwashed might get motivated to do something. However, I definitely agree with you on all other counts.
Christopher Turkel @ 15:
The Keeper Of The Bubble
Jesus told him to ignore the NIE. What? Are you questioning Jesus?
Bush's 'Views' are unknown to Mortal Man, they are Other-Worldly, figments shrouded in the mists of enigmas, myths encapsulated in the pustules of a diseased mind, soundless screams echoing in an endless forest reminiscent of the barbs and arrows suffered by the infant Bush, then, as now, unable to articulate his anguish, due to the stunted stubs of the neurons laid waste in his head by the genetic deficiencies of the Bush clan, and the matriarchal monster, joined to the clan in matrimony, who bore him.
Incapable of thought, there is yet an inarticulated primal urge to mouth sounds, which, unformed as they are, occasionally, unwittingly, mimic syllables of some earth language.
Under the delusion that he has been taken under the wing of some all-powerful, primitive genie, he is not self-conscious of the fact that as a self, he does not exist. He is a creature heretofore unknown on earth, who, unconscious of himself and his surroundings, has managed to bump and totter along through his attenuated version of 'Life', much as an unprogrammed video game, enormously aided in his facade, though not by intent, by the almost incomprehensible stupidity and unawareness and lack of thought and comprehension of his fellow, 'intelligent', denizens here on earth.
P.D. @ 16:
This just re enforces my belief that it's time for that straight jacket and a nice long vacation at Bellvue in a padded room with a view.
Da Spyda @ 107:
hows martial law and no more elections grab you ? bush dictator for life! sweet!
[George Bush]
"God damnit, I'm the king and you will follow me if I so wish it!"
"Hey, where did everyone go!"
bearclaw @ 22:
Calll the men with the white jackets and butterfly nets!
Face it, folks. Our army is never going to leave Asia.
That's why the NIE is being ignored.
tjerk @ 111:
How though? The people we elect totally dismiss it as if the idea was absurd. Only Kucinich is for impeachment out of those still in the race and I don't think he will get double digits with delegates.
Ardyjay @ 44:
What's the difference? One is as ugly as the other.
Thank Nancy Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table and Harry Reid for pulling the impeach Cheney bill off the floor.
Notice Bush or Cheney goes to Israel and Saudi Arabia to get his orders on how to attack Iran;
You know there is a problem when Bush attacks countries which had nothing to do with 911 and ties to terrorist, then you have Saudi Arabia which had 15 or the 19 terrorist aboard the planes of 911, and biggest supporter of insugents in Iraq, killing our soldiers.
Why is the news media avoiding the facts of Saudi's citizens involvement in the terrorist against us , and yet they carry the water of Bush , Cheney and the republicans to continue the fighting in Iraq and his BS to attack Iran , then Syria.
Just who is running our country;
Our govenment or that of Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Sporty @ 123:
the last twoooooooooooooo
fiver @ 112:
Not really. All they have to do is stage another terror attack and blame it on an invisible enemy in a cave. Most people will give up all there rights then and will do what ever the government says to keep them safe.
If you haven't figured it out already, chances are you never will.
Blue Lensman @ 58:
Dat's wight wabbit!
is kucinich still in tonights debate?
He simply follows his dreams.
What a guy!
I find the headline of this article quite ironic, because intelligence disowned GW many years ago.
Bush?!?! Pitiful. The man is out to lunch, missing in action,gone baby gone. Whether it be on the state of world affairs, the economy, a country that is falling apart, a broken education as well as medical system. Please already. Someone call the men with the nets and straightjacket. Please!
PS....Take Congress along with him.
Mr. Blade @ 125:
Sure, 'cause you are the only one who knows the "truth." Go read your second pamphlet... and have a nice day :)
P.D. @ 16:
Correction P.D. :The US is the shipwreck. The Bushies are the rats that are leaving the ship in a years time, after eating their way through the hull.
thiers nothing like a hearty dump ! and a good cry!!!!
What I can’t quite wrap my head around is the notion that the president has “views” that differ significantly from his own intelligence reports. If the NIE on Iran is based on available evidence, and Bush has decided to “all but disown” the NIE, what, exactly, serves as the basis for his “views”?
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With all due respect, Steve...just where have you been for the last seven-odd years?!? When has Bush ever been willing to give any credence to anything that contradicts or conflicts with his own personal idea of how the world ought to be?? Let's face it -- the silver spoon which Bush has had in his mouth since birth and the fact that his daddy's friends have bailed him out of his business failures have left him with an incredibly overblown sense of his own ability to make everything go the way he thinks it should. Think about it...it's probably one of the reasons why you never have and never will hear this man accept responsibility for any problems -- because I very much doubt that he's really ever been forced to suffer the consequences of his own behavior. As a result, he's never really been forced to come face-to-face with the truth which most of us come to grips with at some point in our lives (some of us earlier than others) -- that not even the most powerful of us are omnipotent, omniscient, infallible, or capable of making everything happen the way we want it to.
A good example of faith-based governance, in all its gory.
Bush will do anything to get Iran's oil into the white hands
Well, when has bush ever let intelligence get in the way of his gut feelings?
This guy's a clown, a very, very bad, very evil clown from clown hell.
"nuff said
That's obvious. Bush doesn't do "facts". He has beliefs. His policies are "faith-based".
Bush is religious, i.e., insane. That's why people voted for him. They are too.
People are calling Bush and Idiot , but he has given control of our wealth , resources , control , laws , freedom , and military to Global Corporations , and he is not done yet. Bush has placed his personal controlled clones in charge of all branches of our government and military and has his own private mercenary army , equipment and no laws to control
Could Global Corporations ask for anything more for their money,,, then what Cheney and Bush has given them.
Bush with the support of our senate and House has destroyed our constitution, bill of rights and the people's control and input to our government.
Bush and Cheney are laughing all the way to the bank.
Bush knows how to be a crook , he just doesn't know what words to use to tell you.
He's a Creationist, right? Believes in "intelligent design" in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Why should it surprise anyone that he would apply the same "logic" to everything else?
Hes' a fucking moron asshole... His general stubborness and specifically his stubborness to face any truth he doesn't like or that contradicts something he has already formed an opinion on is the basis for 'his' views... To call his 'views' on this one issue the height of stupidity does a disservice to stupid people....JD
The basis of Chimpy's views is the voice in his head that he thinks is his God's. But it's really a voice born out of high alcohol and drug abuse, sheer stupidity, and being batshit crazy.
Bush is just a figurehead for the MIC (you know, the same people that shot Kennedy).
Frybread @ 146:
Alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, heroin, nor even LSD can be blamed for Bush's issues. I'm thinking he was huffing gasoline in high school.
If Bush goes into Iran for a war, (as I think he will, he never listened to popular opinion before), the resulting chaos will regress humanity back into a stone age, if it doesn't kill us outright.
The average chimp would be insulted by these comparisons of themselves to Bush. At least a chimp's honest. ::)
wexler is approaching the floor of the house, to address movement on the Artciles of Impeachment against Dick Cheney.
This is goin to be good!
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