Media holds out hope for Giuliani
By Steve Benen Tuesday Jan 15, 2008 7:03pmAs recently as the summer, Rudy Giuliani was leading the field in Michigan’s Republican primary. As recently as early December, a Rasmussen poll showed him within two points of first place.
Yesterday, the former mayor finished a distant sixth, with a pathetic 2.8% of the vote. Consider this: Giuliani not only had well under half of Ron Paul’s support, he finished with a similar vote total to Dennis Kucinich — who was running in an uncontested primary and making no effort to actually win votes. Ouch.
It naturally came as no surprise, then, when I saw this CNN headline: “Romney win may give a boost to Giuliani’s White House bid.” Yes, it appears bad news is good news for Rudy.
Mitt Romney’s win in his native state of Michigan appears to be good news for Rudy Giuliani’s bid for the GOP presidential nomination. [...]
Giuliani’s campaign put out a statement Tuesday night congratulating the former Massachusetts governor on his win, adding that “he race remains fluid and competitive, [and] our strategy remains on track.”
Let’s see, Giuliani went from first to sixth in Iowa, first to fourth in New Hampshire, and first to sixth in Michigan. He’s tanking in South Carolina, he’s slipping in Florida, he’s losing to McCain in New York, and he’s blown a 26-point lead in New Jersey, where he’s now polling in single digits. All the while, his campaign has so little money that his senior aides aren’t even going to get paid in January.
Yes, of course, right “on track.”
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Should be no surprise when he wins the nomination and the 'election'.
and yet his platform seems easy to understand
a noun, a verb and 911..........
yes, i would say he is on track........to losing
yeah, goodluck with that pubbies.
9ui11iani will never ever be president as long as he supports bushs horribly dismally failed policies.
But Ron Paul has no chance. Loonies!
Yes, Steve, I take your point, but 911.
This is an item on how the main MSM media stocks are tanking badly with Newscorpse leading the way down. with such stunning 'content' and incisive analysis the bottom line outcome should hardly surprise. Cheer leading a doomed Giuliani is just another nail in the MSM coffin nail as their astonishing unreality becomes ever more obvious when a frazzled public turns to them in search of a clue.
I predict that Rudy will exit the race soon between Jan 30 and Feb 6, I actually wrote an entire post on why just today
http://pbp.typepad.com/economy/2008/01/rudy-giuliani-w.html
I love seeing Rudy fail! This is for all the firefighters he helped indirectly kill on 9/11.
I wonder if we'll see this CNN headline after Nevada:
"Obama win may give a boost to Edwards White House bid"
#5, no one mentioned Ron Paul. But you just can't help yourself can you..[Deleted. Please keep it civil. Site Monitor].
MSM is trapped in a matrix of their own posting.
pehpsi @ 11:
We are asked to consider--
"Consider this: Giuliani not only had well under half of Ron Paul’s support,..."
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The Diebolding "vote counting" in the recent New Hampshire Democratic Primary election was rigged by persons unknown to allow Hillary to "win." (See: google search for "diebold" for many interesting articles on the web about this little bit of old-fashioned GOP chicanary...). Maybe the corporate media is trying, in their own little way, to prepare us a 2009 Dieboldocracy headed by that old balding fascist, Rudy...
Cheers.
P.S. which Republican corporation "counted the votes" in Michigan? Which Republican corporation will be "counting the votes" in Nevada? In South Carolina? We know that Florida votes have been electronically rigged for years and years.
P. S. S. as long as there are electronic "voting" machines and electronic "vote tabulating" machines run by Republican corporations with secret software, election results can easily and quietly be altered by Republican thugs, hackers, riggers and traitors... Is this what you call "democracy" in the 21st century. I call it electronic fascism, for lack of a better term...
Um........nine eleven?Testing..testing...nine eleven?
Rudy is toast. How is he polling in Florida? I can't beleive all those senior citizens are that senile. And what about the Latino populaion? I can't believe they are going to run to polls to vote for Rudy 911 Guiliani.
In other news: Patriotic Americans heckle anti-Democratic and pro-Bush GE and NBC on Leno
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/16/kucinichsupporting-heckl_n_8181...
Just heard someone on Keith's show say that Huck is now going to be toast due to his remark about changing the constitution. Maybe not with the wing nuts, but with the sane part of the country.
Please don't make me talk about Rudy. He's saturated our state and I have yet to see one bumper sticker supporting him. His ads are showing up on tv less too. I don't know if it's due to his lack of funds or what.
Not just the media...
I was having a beer at my local American Legion Hall the other day and a guy actually bet me 5 bucks Rudy would be the next president.
It aint much but it's damn sure the easiest money I'll make this year.
Guiliani's strategy is to end up with between nine and eleven percent of the delegates at the RNConvention. I think he may do that yet. And once he's done with the race, he can go back on the lecture circuit and clear nine to eleven million dollars a year doing what he really loves: lying about himself and what he's done for the country.
Reminds me of P.K. Dick's "Counter Clock World", or maybe Bizarro politics.
What I don't understand is of all the nutballs . . . why him? I mean I get why the MMS wants McCain . . . hell, I would even get why they would want Romney. But Guliani is a friend of no one. Even the conservatives think he's a Nazi and business can't afford another incompetent in the White House. I just don't get it.
Giuliani was picked by the Bilderberg group to win the GOP nomination. They gave millions to the media in back-door advertising spots due to the connections they have with a majority of the advertisers in Big Media. Big media is doing its job in promoting Giuliani even when it looks hopeless. The Bilderberg group picked the wrong man because the American people can see he is just a 911 fear factor puppet with a face. Its pretty obvious this country has a problem with corporatism
By the way Hillary, BIll, Barack, and Mr. Edwards are also members. As are Mr Clinton,Both Bush etc this is a list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendeesses You have to realize our elections are meaningless unless you rout the influences of Big Corporate America. This is no big secret, not everything in life is black and white, the information is always there if you look for it.
All of the presidential candidates are members of the "Council on Foreign Relations", yes even Huckabee (his foreign advisor is Richard Haass head of the CFR, except for 2. Seems like the fix is already in.
Have you guessed which two are not members? Kucinich & Paul
jitter @ 19:
Some people have all the luck! Spend your windfall wisely.
David Hawes @ 25:
Shit,by election day that will buy you a gallon of Gas.
jitter @ 19:
every week buy him a beer or two and hit him with double or nuthin....again and again and again.........
anyway...Rudy will be gone by Easter.
Oh What A Mistake
9/11Giuliani MadeWho does Rudy Giuliani think he is? Does he really think his message is so good it will trump what his fellow Republicans have been talking about? It will never happen.
Since he was mayor of New York during
9/11crisis, he's ready to run the world's number one job. I heard that more then once already. Of all the mistakes candidates have made this political season, this has got to be the worse. I want to say: "Hay Rudy, you already peeked. It's all down hill from your entry." Instead of coming in with a victory "bang," he'll have to settle for a loosing thump.It is just as well; he didn't have much to say anyway. We heard if from John McCain and Duncan Hunter.
Joseph
I dont understand why 6th-tier Republican candidates get headlines and 3rd tier Democrats cant get on a 'debate'. We do live in a wacky world
The way the Republican primaries and caucases are setting up, maybe Rudy will win one Ron Paul wins one Fred wins one and then its a giant hoo-hah to a crappy candidate.
you can do it rudy
Everything that happens is somehow good for the GOP.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 4:
True, Guiliani will not be POTUS and steadfast support of Bush policy really has had no bearing on Rudy's fate. Look at McCain. He blows Bush and has garnered unexpected support especially from Independents.
As for Bush's failed policy my question is failure for whom?
Certainly not for Bush and cadre. Bush's policy has been nothing less than a smashing success and he has the $100 a barrel portfolio to prove it. Everything Bush has set out to accomplish except, demolishing Social Security, has been fulfilled. Bush has dismantled FDR's New Deal, initiated preemptive war/oil grab, tax cuts for the wealthy, enriching business associates, treasury pilferage & devalued dollar, No Child tfeL Behind, fake news/news conferences/town halls/total control of propaganda & media, Evangelical Rule, cut down all prosecutable offenses (his VP shot a guy how's that for above the law antics?), GITMO, domestic spying & data mining plus wiping his ass all over the US Constitution all the while Democrats have been the ENABLERS to this circus.
If history be judge President Bush is a genius albeit, a criminal mastermind, but to say he is a failure or that his policies are such is wrong. The man has done the job unfortunately, neither you or I are on the short list of benefactors.
to my eyes: Rudy is the biggest loser out of all the GOP candidates
Brad @ 5:
Look, Brad, I don't think the media's treatment of Rudy has got much to do with his polling numbers. If Paul were polling better he might be getting treatment akin to that of Edwards. But in pissed off Michigan, the home of THE Michigan Militia, Paul still only polled 6% yesterday. Like Rudy, he should probably hang it up. Unlike Rudy, Paul can-and probably will- run as an independent in November.
But here's why the MSM won't write off Rudy yet- he's their friend. Not that he's doing their bidding, though he well may be, but he goes to dinner with these people. He's their neighbor in NYC.
It's for the same reason that Pat Summerall and Phil Simms get hired to be top sports broadcasters- they were New York Giants as players. It doesn't matter that Pat was as boring as listening to paint dry, or that Simms brings very little to the table(geez, he's horrible)- they both spent a lot of time across the dinner table from CBS execs.
Follow?
Christ! Even Ron Paul beat him.
Giuli's campaign strategy was sound, hide the idiot so people wouldn't be reminded of him daily, and slow the fast-as-a-falling-rock decline in his poll ratings. 'Out of Sight, Out of Mind', seems particularly apropos for Giuli, in all it's contexts.
The one tiny little flaw in the master plan is this: In order to gain some votes, he's going to have to appear in public again. And, BAM, instantly, as soon as folks are reminded he exists, his ratings are going to go to hell.
Oh well, in case he's invited to speak at the annual gathering of his ex-wives and mistresses, he can always say, 'I tried'.
Which is, by the way, what he says every year.
Fright peddling only lasts so long. Rudy should have read: 'The boy who called wolf', 'Chicken little' and 'Plan 9 from outer space'.
Geez, what conservative media bias?
Please, shed no tears for
Thindy BradyThe ExploiterRudy Giuliani!Like a Lithping Jedi Mathster, ol' Rudy thinks he can read the future on that shiny bald head of his (discovered only after the urge to monger and exploit scared his bad comb-over away) and what does he think he sees? Wins in Florida and California catapulting him into the nomination.
What the twit doesn't realize is that no one wants to be associated with a loser! He's slipping in every state poll because people are seeing how bad he's doing in all of the other primaries and, though once planning to vote for him, are now distancing themselves and going for someone else.
Good plan, Rudy! Is that the kind of "strategy" you had in mind for the Presidency??
IDIOT!!!!
Go find Larry Craig and 9/11 one another in a bathroom stall, you moron!
Actually this does help Rudy.
Anything that drags the process out, and prevents a clear winner permits any other candidate to build a coalition come RNC time.
This helps Rudy, but this hurts the Republicans as they'll come out of convention with a candidate without a single dime to his name, and at least a third of the party pissed as hell.
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy (9-11,9-11,9-11),
If this is a winning strategery, I'd hate like HELL to see what 'losing' looks like...
Brad @ 5:
no one even mentioned him ya bum.
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rudy can't win. florida can't get here soon enough.
Andy K @ 35:
Andy K, Ron Paul isn't integrated into the old boy networks, clearly. That dynamic not available to him, a base of internet activists have created the movement around him, independent of him, breaking records in fund raising, makes his pollings and finishes notable.
But not especially so, to MSM, for reasons you state.
People complain about Ron Paul enthusiasts showing up here, but they can learn from his supporters MO-- to integrate internet communications technology, to promote their interests, which is way cooler than stale MSM and party-based old-boy networks.
Whether or not you support Ron Paul, we benefit from moving past the entrenched cozy relationships of politicians and favor-seeking business. We can obviate their influence to the extent people embrace the advancing technologies for new media and social networking.
Even in a post about Rudy Giuliani, Steve cranks out an unfounded slur against the only candidate who stands for impeachment and an end to the Iraq War.
As a point of order, Kucinich has been again shut-out of the debate by the Democratic Party, while Paul has been included at the insistent of the GOP.
If you actually read the news, you'd know that Clinton won, as she was the only Media-sponsored candidate registered with Michigan. Obama and Edwards pulled their names off the ballot when Michigan re-scheduled their primary to be something other than "the rest of America."
Rather than all this, isn't it time we questioned the very nature of the Primary process?
Or are you happy to have our President decided by and beholden to GE, Disney and other Multi-National Corporations?
Let me refresh your memory--
Media holds out hope for Giuliani
By: Steve Benen on Wednesday, January 16th, 2008 at 5:03 PM - PST
Steve Benen is dismissed as "no one," yet you post in his thread? LOL!
Wow, you're really somebody.
Ryan @ 43:
What media? You mean THIS kind of media:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/150108_b_WeAreChange.htm
the beltway bumpkins love their lisp voiced, mob connected, cross dressing, emergency tower in WTC placing, cousin diddling serial groom
Does Guiliani know something we don't? To me, losing all the primaries is not a good strategy. If that was his plan all along, then I tip my hat to his genius.
Giuliani’s campaign is much like Bush's precidency- a joke.
Make that "presidency"...
Guiliani is toast.
Brad @ 44:
Where in the hell have you been, Brad?!?!? Integrating internet communications technology to promote their interests? Hello: Howard Dean, 2004!!! Just because you weren't into Dean at the time doesn't mean he wasn't doing that with which you credit Paul.
You Paulists are doing nothing but co-opting other people's sites. PERIOD!
I hope Thompson wins South Carolina and Giuliani wins Florida. Then, on February 5th, there will be no front runner, 5 (possibly 6) GOP candidates will not have the majority delegates needed for the nomination, they will not have a candidate until the September convention (which means the GOP will still have Bush define their party) and they will do all the negative campaigning for the Democrats. God, I love circular firing squads!!!
RUDY HAS REALIZED THAT THE LESS HE IS SEEN OR TALKS, THE BETTER HE DOES IN THE VOTES.......
IF HE WOULD JUST SHUT UP AND GO AWAY... HE COULD WIN BY...SAY, 911 VOTES
HAHAHAHAHA
Andy K @ 53:
Dean 2004. Ancient history, we're talking about internet social networks. They are bigger now. They will be bigger, faster, and deliver unanticipated powers to people.
I'm saying, Ron Pauls candidacy illustrates how we should not lose sight of the profound changes the net has made, and more importantly, will make-- in how people connect with each other, to make informed buying/voting decisions. I'm saying, reclaim those values pioneered by Dean, built-upon by Ron Paul's supporters. Let's see that passion for upstanding democratic party candidates, raise that money, break records in fund raising.
Whether it's my candidate served or not, we as a society benefit from making the transition from follower mentality to self-leadership, and with advancing information tech, we can. That is scary to the MSM, to politicians-- a networked population who can document and share the published and broadcasted dishonesties so quickly and thoroughly.
And naturally, that spirit attracted me to crooksandliars.com.
chipped beef and white gravy used to be also called , " s**t on a shingle " , served over toast . Hi Rudy you are the toast ! .
The same bozos who look favorably upon crap like "Unity08" (aka Try To Use Bloomberg To Split The Dem Vote So A Republican Wins The White House) are the ones trying to revive Rudy's campaign. They know that Rudy and McCain are the Republicans who would do the best in the general election, but they also know that Republican primary voters hate them both.
Fortunately for us, as Atrios noted the other day, SUSA polling shows that "Unity08" takes far more votes from Republicans than from Democrats, so its main goal -- aside from conning Michael Bloomberg into giving a few tens of millions to mercenary "campaign advisors" -- is already a failure.
Yep, and let's not forgot Slutballs's Chris Matthews 'power rankings' in which he keeps pimping his favorite Drag Queen ........ and, um, gee the fact that he , Russert, and Williams all attended a fund raiser for the Drag Queen organized by, of course, Jack Walsh ........
Rudy is going to win Florida, and will win most of the Feb. 5th states. Then he'll win the nomination, and then the presidency. Here's why:
“Mayor Giuliani Inherited $2.3 Billion Budget Deficit And Turned It Into Multi-Billion Dollar Surplus.” (Steven Lee Myers,“A Deficit Revisited,” The New York Times, 7/31/94.)
NYC’s crime reduction under Giuliani was THREE TO SIX TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE! His policies and steadfast determination, and yes, his love for New York City, turned NYC from a "failed" city into the safest big city in America.
I was in NYC on 9/11 - all I can say is that from great tragedies, sometimes great heroes emerge. Rudy was a hero to all New Yorkers, and the nation, on that day, and in the days that followed. Maybe some have forgotten how important it was to have strong and able leadership on 9/11. I haven't, and I'm sure the majority of Americans haven't forgotten either.
But you know, given what we all know about international Islamic jihad, all I need to know about Rudy is this: in 1995, NYC hosted a big event at Lincoln Center for various foreign dignitaries. Guess who crashed the party? Yasser Arafat. Rudy’s response? HE THREW ARAFAT, THE TERRORIST, OUT THE DOOR! When the city’s liberal elite cried foul, Giuliani replied, "I would not invite Yasser Arafat to anything, anywhere, anytime, anyplace. I don’t forget."
We won't forget either, Rudy. BE VOCAL, BE LOCAL – let’s get Rudy elected! The time to act is NOW!
klyde @ 32:
I've noticed that too. It's stupid beltway pundit logic that holds no water in the real world.
made the mistake of tuning to msnbc during morning joe and scarb and mika were both flirting with and fawning over rudy. rudy was loving it and visibly lusting after mika. can't say anymore as I obviously had to change the channel....it was way too early for me to stomack that. those two are such idiots, just like tweety and carlson
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