I would hazard to say they are in the "no longer care" category

So now even the IT department serves at the pleasure of the president I guess. Time to drag Bush across your computer screen to the trash icon and double click him out of office.

Faux News Opinion Poll, January 18, 2008

Please vote:

What should one do when the servers are a little slow?

A. Beat them, but only in the kitchen out of sight of the guests. But then have your taste testers double check the food.

B. Replace them with other illegal immigrants who want it more.

C. Slip them a diet pill micky--that will speed them up and save on food rations.

The ghost of Rosemary Wood s roams the halls.
No longer care? When did they ever care, and the rest of the government sits idly by while the Bush mafia pushes on. Why don't we just arrest all these criminals and render them to Guantanamo. Remember, habeus corpus no longer exists. Lock the doors, throw away the keys, and forget they are there. Boy, would you here a boisterous uproar from Fake news and their ilk about Constitutional rights.

frits!

"....does the WH no longer care?"

ans: did they at one time care? when in the last 7 1/2 years was there a consequence from waxman (oh yeah) or the '06 dem majority or the cries of the public that made a feather's worth of difference in missing a hint of a break in their stride. Hell, they haven't required a decent rational thought.

I'm so sick of the sonzabitches it's not funny.

Did Fratto not realize he’d be called on such a blatant falsehood? Or does the Bush White House simply no longer care?

Why should they care? What's anybody going to do about it? NOTHING. They have done whatever they've wanted for 7 years, so they don't care. Nothing will come of this, except it will take media attention away from small stuff like the economy, and the Occupation of Iraq.

Did Fratto not realize he’d be called on such a blatant falsehood? Or does the Bush White House simply no longer care?

they never cared in the first place.

BushCo LLC operates an Oligarchy with their own security and their own "rules of governance".

America and Bush went up the hill to make a better nation, America fell down, and Bush... what a c*nt!

MartyPants666 @ 18:

You liberals are never happy. You complain about Bush's environmental record endlessly, and then when his administration finally caves to your radical ideas, like recycling computer tapes (with sensitive data that could implicate them as torturers), you're all up in arms.

get real droid

sorry surely that was a snatk!

MartyPants666 @ 18:

You liberals are never happy. You complain about Bush's environmental record endlessly, and then when his administration finally caves to your radical ideas, like recycling computer tapes (with sensitive data that could implicate them as torturers), you're all up in arms.

They're not talking about tossing the tapes in with the soda cans and water bottles, you colossal twit - they're talking about re-using the archive tapes and writing over previously archived materials. (Which, as I pointed out in yesterday's thread, shouldn't erase pertinent material unless you'd already deleted it on the system prior to archiving.)

What amazes me, as big a story as this is, CNN doesn't even have the story on their website. Ditto Fox, MSNBC, and ABC.

Bush and his criminal conspiracy haven't been held accountable by Congress for anything they have done so why would they be held accountable for violating the Presidential Records keeping act. It's not the Administration that doesn't care it's the Congress. Waxman, Leahy, Conyers, Reid, Pelosi, et al are truly pathetic.

tyree Says:

get real droid

Shadowgm Says:

They’re not talking about tossing the tapes in with the soda cans and water bottles, you colossal twit - they’re talking about re-using the archive tapes and writing over previously archived materials. (Which, as I pointed out in yesterday’s thread, shouldn’t erase pertinent material unless you’d already deleted it on the system prior to archiving.)

I was being sarcastic you losers. Only a really "colossal twit" would not be able to see that.

bushco has been so hostile to governing according to the constitution that they dont care anymore. I expect Fratto to come out and say "I got your back up...right here" as he grabs his crotch. Then walk away. Its a criminal enterprise that knows the cops are on the dole.
Besides gross misconduct, they are salting the earth for the future. Realizing their successor will be a democrat, they are trying to limit his options in the mid-east, packing as many ideologues in career positions as they can and destroying the fruits of generations of government.
Because of democratic cowardice, they will have a very short window before the noise machine starts on them. Except for Edwards, I dont see the leadership to change this either.

Shadowgm @ 23:

MartyPants666 @ 18:

You liberals are never happy. You complain about Bush's environmental record endlessly, and then when his administration finally caves to your radical ideas, like recycling computer tapes (with sensitive data that could implicate them as torturers), you're all up in arms.

They're not talking about tossing the tapes in with the soda cans and water bottles, you colossal twit - they're talking about re-using the archive tapes and writing over previously archived materials. (Which, as I pointed out in yesterday's thread, shouldn't erase pertinent material unless you'd already deleted it on the system prior to archiving.)

Put on your snark detectors folks! Drink some coffee!

pissed off patricia @ 28:

MartyPants666 @ 18:

You liberals are never happy. You complain about Bush's environmental record endlessly, and then when his administration finally caves to your radical ideas, like recycling computer tapes (with sensitive data that could implicate them as torturers), you're all up in arms.

I read this as a snark, but I don't think others did. Can we get another pot of coffee for this thread. :)

The give away line is this one "(with sensitive data that could implicate them as torturers)"

I laughed out loud on that one :)

A bit shorter than my "Clinton trashing of offices/pcs, that caused the loss of so many emails" but pointedly funny

I don't know about you, but I'm in the "no longer cares" category when it comes to Bush.

If no one's threatened him with impeachment, indictment or imprisonment for his misdeeds (like shytting all over the Constitution and breaking the oath to uphold and defend it), he knows damned well he's not going to get called on his shyt now.

I wonder who does he have pictures of with a live goat, a dead hooker or a pre-adolescent boy (or all three)?

Speaking of breaking laws..........Pootin' Scootin' I Lewis "Scooter" Libby finds out today how little he will get for lying to the courts.

Shadowgm @ 34:

thwap @ 24:

What will you (or the world) do, besides "mobilizing" to elect lesser-evils and bitch on the internet?

Why do you assume my comments here are the full extent of my political activity?

I continue to have a disagreement with my wife about the 'hold your nose and vote' theory of electing a president. I'm not voting for Hillary, even if she takes the nomination - and that's a determination based on both her voting record as well as the character traits she's demonstrating on the campaign trail.

I write to my representatives (admittedly, one of them is Dianne Feinstein, and that's like bashing my head against a brick wall), and even contact other reps (like Chris Dodd) when they've done things worthy of acclaim or criticism.

But the system has evolved so that representatives don't actually communicate with their constituents - the phones are answered by drones, e-mails get form e-mails back. And submissions via web form are pre-categorized and pre-screened.

So besides bitching on the internet, you also write (mostly useless) letters to your representatives and refuse to vote for horrible candidates?

I'm not trying to be a prick. I don't know if I'd have the courage to take to the streets if an election here was genuinely stolen, followed by everything else bush II has done. But millions of lives have been destroyed and your Constitution is in tatters, and fascist goons still tend to dominate your political debate. Some sustained thought and action needs to be applied to this situation.

They don't care because nobody is going to hold them accountable, especially not the gutless Democrats that control Congress. Just biding their time until the ride off into the sunset.

OK so the White House EMails were erased, what about the emails from Rove on the RNC and other servers? Did Turd Blossom have a Yahoo, GMail, MSN, AOL account that he used? What about AT&T's ghosting of the internet? Surely AT&T has a backup of everything they stole from the US Citizens. If for no other reason than for billing!

If all our emails are picked up by the providers for the CIA, aren't the white house emails as well?

As an information security professional, let me be the 9,381,471st to point out tha regular criminal-case forensic processes could recover most if not all of these e-mails.

E-mails are not just stored on the server (where electronic remanance traces might be sufficient to restore lost data, even after being overwritten by new data), but they are stored on the source and destination computers of the transaction - the Sent Mail and Inbox folders, respectively. So for every e-mail there are at least three copies, not counting backups.

This BS about the e-mails being erased and lost is just that, BS. Congress should get marshalls in there to seize the evidence, and if that means seizing every computer, laptop, thumb drive and cell phone in the White House, then so be it. Everything we're seeing up til now is just theater.

thwap @ 41:

Shadowgm @ 34:

thwap @ 24:

What will you (or the world) do, besides "mobilizing" to elect lesser-evils and bitch on the internet?

Why do you assume my comments here are the full extent of my political activity?

I continue to have a disagreement with my wife about the 'hold your nose and vote' theory of electing a president. I'm not voting for Hillary, even if she takes the nomination - and that's a determination based on both her voting record as well as the character traits she's demonstrating on the campaign trail.

I write to my representatives (admittedly, one of them is Dianne Feinstein, and that's like bashing my head against a brick wall), and even contact other reps (like Chris Dodd) when they've done things worthy of acclaim or criticism.

But the system has evolved so that representatives don't actually communicate with their constituents - the phones are answered by drones, e-mails get form e-mails back. And submissions via web form are pre-categorized and pre-screened.

So besides bitching on the internet, you also write (mostly useless) letters to your representatives and refuse to vote for horrible candidates?

I'm not trying to be a prick. I don't know if I'd have the courage to take to the streets if an election here was genuinely stolen, followed by everything else bush II has done. But millions of lives have been destroyed and your Constitution is in tatters, and fascist goons still tend to dominate your political debate. Some sustained thought and action needs to be applied to this situation.

Only violence will restore our government to one that follows the rule of law. A government that engages in and thrives on crime as the government of the USA does, will not just suddenly start obeying the law. After all, we don't expect career thieves to just stop thieving. Likewise, when the government is made up of career criminals, we can't expect them to just behave.

Only a civil war can force the US Government to behave in a lawful manner.

The US population is not ready to go to war.

There will come a time with the US Government will have citizens gunned down in the streets. When that happens, things will change. Until then our government will be increasingly populated by fascists criminals.

This is how empires decline. Corruption builds until th civilization can no longer support it, and collapses.

let's recycle bush/cheney........you get less shit from a major dairy farm.

The dems have held lots of hearings, but do they hold any listening sessions? Seems they go through the motions of being concerned about one thing or another, but they never do anything about what they are told. Are they listening?

The white house hasn't ever had a reason to do anything other than lie, so why would anyone expect them to change the SOP? Now we are yet again confronted with bald faced lies about felonies obviously committed by chimpy and stinky dick. So what are you going to do? My guess is bitch for a little while and then go back to eating your shit sandwich and mooing a lot.

pissed off patricia @ 55:

The dems have held lots of hearings, but do they hold any listening sessions? Seems they go through the motions of being concerned about one thing or another, but they never do anything about what they are told. Are they listening?

Yeah thats the problem. All these hearings and investigations looked good at the start and a lot of their dirty dealings have been revealed but all were stalled by the
executive privlege bullshit or just flat out refusing supeonas. If they had the balls to start impeachment hearings NONE of those excuses can be used. EVERYTHING and EVERY ONE would have to come out. I'd like to believe (in my fantasy world) that the republicans in the House would have a hard time defending bush if it all came out. It has to be done. Canada put the US on a watch list with Syria and Iran as countries that torture. Can we as a country afford to let this stand? Don't we have to show, that we the people, don't stand behind our dictator and that like Ahmadinejad in Iran, he doesn't speak or torture with our consent?

Sorry for the rant. Haven't been posting much lately. It's been building up.

When has the current administration *ever* cared whether we buy their bullcrap?

I can't be the only one that said "Iraq a threat? WTF are YOU clowns smoking?"

That's like when I went to see The Crying Game - that dude walked out and I said "Well, that's a dude." I mean, duh???

There is definitely a reason for this.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html

The White House KNOWS nobody will hold them accountable. In fact, anyone with the power of oversight will ASSIST in helping them avoid accountability. Absolute dictatorial power with unlimited capabilities and money. What a trip! GW looks like he is having a hell of a good time, and why not!

natisman @ 54:

So Mr. Widestance marty Pants, is this all you do with your time?

I mean lots of other folks had this joke going before you even swiped your hand between the stalls, so to speak.

Folks get a jacket on them for stealing jokes.

I totally see your point, I mean your widestance joke, now that one was really original (about 6 months ago). Do you have any Austin Powers or Napoleon Dynamite jokes as well?

Did Fratto not realize he’d be called on such a blatant falsehood? Or does the Bush White House simply no longer care?

Did they ever care? Have they ever really had to care? It's not as though the O'Reillys, the Matt Lauers(etc)are going to hold them accountable for anything is it?

MartyPants666 Says:
You liberals BLAHBLAHBLAH...

Isn't there any school today 666?

There is a secret war being waged, and I would like to be among the first to publicly announce this fact. You will not see information about this war in the mainstream media, nor will you hear the pundits discuss it ad nauseam, the way they discuss the current crop of presidential candidates or the vile "secular progressives" who "hate America."

No, you will not hear anything about this war through established news sources. In fact, you will have to become a bit of a sleuth in order to put together the pieces of the puzzle and understand what has been happening under our very noses. Below is a website I just found while doing my own sleuthing. I think it is essential information to help you understand this Secret War. I hope you will read what you find there.

This war is being waged in a manner wholly unlike traditional warfare. Bloodshed is rare, and masked now as the work of an insignificant number of 'terrorists' who provide both a handy smokescreen and an effective diversion from the truth. The enemy is, in fact, a great pretender, and masquerades as friends and allies of our country. Our leaders, in their arrogance, do not see the viper they've clasped to their breasts, and this is the primary reason the enemy has succeeded thus far. If the enemy remains successful well past the 'killing thrust' they will still act as our friends and allies, eager to help us in our time of great distress.

This war has been ongoing for centuries, but that is the true nature of our enemy. This war has metamorphosed as our world economy has evolved, but that is one of the great talents of our highly adaptable enemy. Furthermore, time is not relevant in this war, only the outcome.

The primary means of waging this war have been economic. Herein lies the bulk of my personal research. The various disparate threads weaving themselves together into the macabre tapestry I am describing all lead back to economic behavior which--on the surface--looks like normal behavior among allies. Our enemy's patience is immeasurable. The killing thrust of the "sword" will likely occur even as our enemy is smiling at us and holding hands, promising help and succor in our time of need.

If the people who are attacking us succeed in their war, the US dollar will be devalued to a level never seen in our entire history. Our already fragile economy will require intervention by the very countries least likely to have our best interests at heart. This bloodless coup will irretrievably alter the economic landscape of our world. And, when our foreign investors call their destructive debt markers, it will irretrievably alter the economic landscape of our nation.

Is there yet hope? Our nation will first have to acknowledge and address the true enemy, which will require that our criminal administration cease and desist holding their hands (see Craig Unger's book, among other resources). Current economic decisions are the primary weapons of our enemy, and we remain complicit in our own demise until and unless We The People get a clue and be the change we wish to see in the world. I still wear my rose colored glasses about this potential recovery, but I can't say for how long...

http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com/

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/263.html (ty, Ron @ 64)

(Please do not think that I am calling the Saudis 'the enemy'--I am not that simplistic. Remember...you must be a sleuth. You must also step outside the common concept of our economic behavior. Be an investigative anthropologist and you might be able to cut through the crap. BTW, I am being oblique because I truly fear these people. Their tentacles of control cut deep into the fabric of our society.)

Googles, Yahoo, Microsoft, IBM Mac are the PRODUCT COMPANY of AMERICA. They didn't just come into existence out of thn air. The technologies that WE the PEOPLE so much enjoy today, were built, designed and created my MILLIONS of AMERICNS experts in the field.

Government Official (whether elected or appointed) should NOT under-estimate the INTELLIGENCE of it's people. The "truth" is there... accessible and disectable for review if and when we want it. The obstruction to this truth to be reckon with IS not either OUTSIDE or AT the MEANS but within. The gatekeeper ("the leaderships" of the white house and house of congress are butting heads to contain the truth from being EXPOSE).

The rational of containment is failing to realize that there ARE within our governent those who are genuinely AMERICAN patriots who are keeping a close eye at those that high-jacked our government and WILL blow the WHISTLE when necessary. So this is a fair WARNING to the "gang of criminal enablers" either OPEN the gates for the TRUTH or AMERICA will have NO CHOICE but to break-down these gates.

ENOUGH is ENOUGH

Don't under-estimate the patriotism of the AMERICAN PEOPLE. It's long over-due for the public servants to do it's job. No more false promises. No more "if you vote for me" rhetorics. No more........

AMERICA is uniting its 'TEAM" experts (Doctors, Nurses, lawyers, technical engineers, scholars, scientist, mathematicians, accountants, audidtors, acivist, analysts, artist, philosophers, teacher, professors, writters, historians, architechs, builders, white colarworkers, blue-collar workers, conservationalist, environmentalist, journalist, police, soldiers, netroots, netgroups, and constitutionalist) to clean up our government and expose those responsible for the "DAMAGES".

These "TEAM of EXPERTS" are the individual AMERICANS (NOT CORPORATION) that are the BUILDERS, the WORKERS, the MAKERS of OUR NATION. Don't under-estimate our collective WISDOM and te WILL to SAVE and take back OUR GREAT NATION from the hands of a LAWLESS public servants. It took 200 years of blood, sweat and tears of sacrifices by the people to build our GREAT NATION. WE THE PEOPLE did not do this so that the LAWLESS can destroy it in less than EIGHT years.

"Or does the Bush White House simply no longer care?"

That's an understatement. Bush, Cheney & their criminal gang don't gave fuck because they consistantly get-away with numurous criminal behavior. Besides, the American people were stupid enough to vote them into office, twice, and they can't run again - why should they gave a fuck?

Congressman calls hearing after White House admits 473 days of email 'missing'
RAW STORY
Published: Friday January 18, 2008

Also, Sixteen days of email missing from Cheney's office
A White House chart shown to Congress indicates no e-mail was archived on 473 days for various units of the Executive Office of the President, a House committee chairman says.
Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., says a White House spokesman's comments suggesting no e-mail had disappeared conflicted with what congressional staffers were told in September. He also said the White House has refused to make the chart public.
On Thursday night, Waxman said he was scheduling a hearing for Feb. 15 and challenged the White House to explain spokesman Tony Fratto's remark that "we have absolutely no reason to believe that any e-mails are missing."
Fratto based his comment on the contents of a White House declaration filed in federal court casting doubt on the accuracy of a chart created by a former White House employee that points to a large volume of e-mail gone from White House servers.
The brief description of the chart in the sworn declaration appears to match Waxman's description of what White House officials showed his staff at a Sept. 19 briefing.
There are 16 days of no archived e-mails from Sept. 12, 2003, to May 23, 2005, for the office of Vice President Dick Cheney, according to Waxman's letter announcing the hearing. There are a dozen days of no archived e-mails for the White House Office inside the EOP, starting Dec. 17, 2003, and ending on Feb. 8, 2004, Waxman's letter added.
"Archived e-mails were missing from even more days in other parts of the White House, the analysis found," according to the Washington Post. "The Council on Environmental Quality and the Council of Economic Advisers, for example, showed no stored e-mails for 2 1/2 months beginning in November 2003. The Office of Management and Budget showed no messages for 59 days -- including the period from Nov. 1, 2003, to Dec. 9, 2003 -- and the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative showed no e-mail for 73 days."
"The administration has so far refused to release the study and a number of documents related to it, including a large summary chart used in a closed-door briefing conducted for Waxman and other lawmakers last September by Emmet T. Flood, special counsel to the president," the Post added.
The briefers took the chart with them when they left, Waxman said, but committee staffers had copied many of the details.
Waxman said the White House officials took the chart on which the information is based with them, while indicating the White House was doing an additional analysis to determine whether the information in the chart was accurate.
Asked to testify are White House Counsel Fred Fielding; Alan Swendiman, director of the White House Office of Administration, and Allen Weinstein, archivist of the United States.
Waxman called the hearing after Fratto tried to tamp down the growing e-mail controversy.
Fratto's comments shifted away from White House statements last spring that expressed uncertainty over whether the allegations were true or not.
"We tried to reconstruct some of the work" in the chart and "could not authenticate the correctness of the data," said Fratto. "We have no evidence and we have no way of showing that any e-mail at all are missing."
The existence of the chart surfaced Tuesday night in the White House declaration filed in lawsuits brought by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the private National Security Archive.
The declaration, which the White House was forced to file pursuant to court order, disclosed that before October 2003, the White House recycled computer backup tapes containing e-mail. Such a process would overwrite large numbers of e-mails. The White House said it began preserving backup tapes in October 2003, but recycled them before then.
If the chart of e-mail missing from archives turns out to be accurate, the backup tapes should contain substantially all e-mails sent or received in the 2003-2005 time period, the White House court declaration said.
"We have no reason to believe that there is any data missing at all" from White House computer servers, said Fratto. "And we've certainly found no evidence of any data missing."
The court declaration said the White House was undertaking an independent assessment of a chart to determine whether any e-mail is missing.
The White House's latest statements represent a shift from what it was saying last spring when it seemed uncertain whether e-mail was missing from the archives or not. The latest statements also represent a shift from what the White House apparently told prosecutors over two years ago in the probe into the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's name.
In January 2006, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald reported that "we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."
The White House says the e-mail matter arose in October 2005 in connection with the Justice Department's CIA leak probe. Fitzgerald revealed it to the public three months later in preparations for the trial of Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who was later convicted of four felonies in the Plame affair. President Bush commuted Libby's 30-month prison term.
With AP.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_no_email_archived_on_0118.html

Comments - http://www.haloscan.com/comments/rawstory/8925a/

FreedomOfInformationAct @ 81:

Cheney is going to jail and the MSM is missing covering the biggest story of the CENTURY - well, it's their loss....they are as irrelevant as the president they refuse to acknowledge has broken numerous laws.

May they all be held accountable for their complicity.

AMERICA and other nation all over the globe are keeping an EYE on these ruthless, heartless criminals and their complicit. There is NO escape. Investigations and research are already on the works to disect what went wrong. OUR GOVERNMENT are UNDER a microscope and a plan of action against the CANCER that plagued our government is already carefully being considered and will be ready for utilization. It is only a matter of time to execute a strategy to put it to work.

The corruption is much much deeper than what appears on the surface of the current BUSH REGIME. They just a current of metaphors that has been brewing long before the NIXON era. IT will be rightfully that the PEOPLE at the end will prevail over the tyranny that they have forced to endure. Only then will JUSTICE will be serve.

Every citizen MUST understand your Constitutional rights and duty.....for THIS is OUR BEST defense against those that has done us WRONG.

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"no longer care?"???

You say that as if they ever have.