SC Primary Coverage: Chris Matthews Wants To Wrap The Mantle Of Reagan Around McCain
Chris Matthews eats, sleeps and breathes politics, that much is clear. But what bothers me so much is that it's all about the process and attaining the result, not sticky little details like reality. So, buoyed by John McCain's significantly improved speech last night in South Carolina (as Keith Olbermann states, teleprompters are an excellent investment), Matthews is only too happy to reach for the mantle of the patron saint of the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan
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Matthews thinks that McCain's first step should be asking for the endorsement of Nancy Reagan--the anointment of the successor, as it were, which obviously wraps up the Republican nomination there and then. But Keith Olbermann has to point out that there is a big issue near and dear to Nancy's heart that may not make that endorsement as easy as Matthews thinks.
CM: It’s a heavily invested night. He brought his mother. Cindy looked very much like a first lady. It was a fascinating presentation. It gave me the tableau tonight of a man who believes—he may be wrong, of course—that this is his big night. That this is the night (that) will launch him. I would expect that the next step tomorrow morning, he gets up and calls Nancy Reagan and ask for an endorsement. I think he’s going to try to make himself “the Reagan candidate,” as he did in that speech, try to do it now, go for it, this is his chance, try to bring the party together under him. I think this is it for him and he knows it.
As a side note, I will once again mark my annoyance of Matthews' habit of not letting anyone else finish a sentence, as well as his bizarre tangentials like whether Mitt Romney has a "good story". And does anyone think that as the oldest candidate in the race, the allusions to Reagan may actually be a negative for McCain, especially if you consider that it's likely that Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer's during his second term?
Transcript below the fold.
CM: It’s a heavily invested night. He brought his mother. Cindy looked very much like a first lady. It was a fascinating presentation. It gave me the tableau tonight of a man who believes—he may be wrong, of course—that this is his big night. That this is the night (that) will launch him. I would expect that the next step tomorrow morning, he gets up and calls Nancy Reagan and ask for an endorsement. I think he’s going to try to make himself “the Reagan candidate,” as he did in that speech, try to do it now, go for it, this is his chance, try to bring the party together under him. I think this is it for him and he knows it.
KO: Is that an expectation for him that you think she would fulfill? I mean, I would just flashback to our day in the Reagan Library months and months ago…
CM: I always figured her out—I mean, I really like her as a friend and I really do believe she likes the man’s…the arc of his career, the patriotism, the fact that he is a conservative, but not a far out conservative. A person who is practical in things like abortion rights. I think he’s…he is a Reagan-like guy in many ways. He has an arc of a story, which the others don’t have. People like Barack Obama have a story, Hillary Clinton has a story, some of them just don’t, you know? Like Romney. Not that interesting a story before he ran for public office. Wealthy. Successful. All the good things by American standards, but not an interesting story…
KO: Those Olympics in which he won so many events, apparently (laughs). Oh, I’m sorry, he was just the organizer.
CM: Oh he loves the, he loves the tokens of winning at least. The bronze…he hasn’t got a bronze yet, by the way.
KO What would the…has Senator McCain spoken…positioned himself on that stem cell research issue that I know is not front of mind still, or at the moment, but is still obviously front of mind for Nancy Reagan? Is that determinable?
CM: Oh I expect that he would be practical on that one.
KO: And would that determine who the final…
CM: I forgot that is to some extent that touched on her personally because her husband died of Alzheimer’s as we all know, and that is of course, one of the many diseases that might benefit from stem cell research. That said, there’s a lot of development going on on what kind of stem cells we’re going to use and whether we get adult stem cells or …all kinds of development in that area on what we can use to harvest
KO: We can go cover that at some other point…
CM: You know what, I don’t know why we went into that whole thing…
KO: I was just asking a quick question because it was such a…
CM: I tell you, my belief is that he tried to tie it up. Joe knows a lot more about the Republican Party and we will soon be hearing a lot from Joe Scarborough.
No, wait, Obama's claiming that.
Why aren't these "Reagan candidates" ever asked what they think of the way Reagan used the US Constitution to wipe his ass when he went behind the back of congress (which had prohibited helping the Contas because they were "terrorists") and sold arms to Iranians. You remember those Iranians. They had at the the time just recently given up holding US hostages.
Why aren't these Reaganesque candidates ever asked that?
It was a total crack. KO brings up Stem Cell policy support issue and CM (tweety) is all "what ya bring up stem cells fo'". Whbat an ass.
Hey, it's less than a year tomorrow! Bush's last year in office starts today!
wake up fools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p_9wufXUG0&feature=related
Dear Nicole and C&L Posters:
Don't tell Patti Davis, Ronald Reagan's daughter this. She is tired of the comparisons and playing up to Ronald Reagan by these candidates. Someone should tell Chris Matthews that in the eyes of Patti Davis, he no doubt, looks like a very weird man.
Patti Davis asks why can't they be their own men rather than trying to be someone else---in the name and image of Reagan? In her recent Newsweek article, entitled, In the Name of the Father..., Patti Davis said the following:
CAMPAIGN 2008
In the Name of the Father…
The 2008 presidential candidates are obsessed with who's more like Ronald Reagan, who's a better hunter and who's more religious. Can't anyone be their own man (or woman)?
By Patti Davis | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Dec 29, 2007
OPINION
Many years before my father was governor of California, when America began naming things after John F. Kennedy, I remember thinking how really weird it must have been for his children to have highways and airports named after their father. Now, all these years later, I can say from experience that it truly is a surreal experience. "A traffic accident on the Ronald Reagan freeway…" "Delays at Reagan National Airport…" Believe me, you never really get used to it.
But that's not nearly as strange as seeing the 2008 presidential candidates try to imitate my father and proclaim themselves more Reaganesque than their competitors. Where is Lloyd Bentsen when you need him? "I knew Ronald Reagan… Senator [or Governor], you're no Ronald Reagan."
On Friday's “Today Show”, Mitt Romney again brandished my father's name, and claimed that, just as Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, Romney can effectively govern and manage foreign policy in this horribly troubled world...This, of course, was preceded by Romney's televised speech about his religion and his personal faith—something my father would never have dreamed of doing because his faith was, well, personal....
Can't we go back to respecting the privacy of religious faith and stop using God as a campaign tool? And can't we please, please, please admit that imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery; it's just an indication that the imitator is going through a serious identity crisis....
Read the entire article @:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/82384
Perhaps, idiots like Chris Matthews, and, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, and, even Barack Obama, need to read this article by Patti Davis, and take note of it in good stead as a cautionary tale of trying to be someone else when one should be himself or herself.
Ron Paul already said that Reagan brought about more big government despite the b.s. praise he constantly gets. Reagan also brought America the S&L crisis and planted the terrorist seeds culminating in the 9-11-2001 attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. Reagan called the Arab Afghans also known as the mujihadeen, "freedom fighters" and even had them present at his 1985 State of the Union address. Yes, the Repukes who want to be like Reagan may want to answer for the attacks of 9-11-2001 that were brought along by their guru--Mr. Reagan.
all lies show us the REAL news please - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV-RzLCatWk
Chris Matthews does not, did not, nor never did think.
Tweety thinks McCain deserves to be president.
Of course, he also thinks the exact opposite of Hillary.
Chris Matthews writes fanfic about Mccombover and lispmaster Rudy that involve skinny dipping, whipped cream and other things that shouldn't be mentioned on a family friendly blog
CM will never learn, even if he was out of a job. One could only hope.
I have been watching Mathews for a long time....used to like him, but he is really losing his grip here....I think the addition of a sidekick has hurt his feelings and made him a bit paranoid...
What strikes me most about this clip is that Matthews acts utterly baffled that politics could or should have anything to do with issues. He looks like someone hit him in the face with a cream pie.
Throw this crank out.
I'm sorry, but how exactly is Reagan a "saint" of anything, except maybe "Patron Saint of Scandals"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
To quote George Carlin:
"225 different people in the Ronald Reagan administration have either quit, been fired, been arrested, indicted, or convicted of either breaking the law or violating the Ethics Code! 225 of 'em! And Edwin Meese alone... [laughter] Edwin Meese alone has been investigated by three separate Special Prosecutors and there's a fourth one waiting for him in Washington right now. Three separate Special Prosecutors have had to look into the activities of the Attorney General, and the Attorney General is the nation's leading law enforcement officer! [laughter]
See that's what you've got to remember, this is the Ronald Reagan administration we're talking about. These are the Law and Order people! These are the people who are against street crime! They want to put street criminals in jail to make life safer for the business criminals! [laughter, cheers] Yeah! They're against street crime, provided that street isn't Wall Street. [laughter]"
He was one of the worst Presidents in our history. In fact, as we go along, each Republican in succession is worse than the last -- Dubya worse than George Sr, George Sr worse than Reagan, Reagan worse than Nixon. Indeed the last halfway decent Republican President we had was frickin' Eisenhower.
The Reagan worship is just creepy.
Is this the Dixicrats redux? Ronald Reagan is dead. So is McCain, he just doesn't know it yet.
<strron paul is the oldest pol in this race ,such glossed over facts should leave the reader skeptical of the motives of the writer, or at least their credibility
wow!
the gun-toting, truck-driving, American tough-guy's love affair with all things Reagan is dang-near Tiger Beat material.
is it just me?
Not only is Chris Matthews fundamentally dishonest--most of all with himself--but he is very probably the most inane, vapid human being alive today.
Yes, we need another Reagan like Republican president who states "Facts are stupid things." After Democrats and Republicans in Congress passed sanctions against the apartheid government of South Africa, Reagan vetoed the measure. Reagan cuddled up with the fascistic and anti-Semitic junta of Argentina and backed militaries in El Salvador and Guatemala that massacred civilians. moved to normalize relations with Augusto Pinochet, the tyrant of Chile. Reagan sent George Bush the First to the Philippines, where the Vice President toasted dictator Ferdinand Marcos for fostering "democracy." Pursuing a quasi-secret war against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, the Reagan Administration violated international law and circumvented Congress to support contra rebels engaged in human rights abuses and, according to the CIA's own Inspector General, worked with suspected drug traffickers. Reagan covertly sent arms to the mullahs of Iran and courted Saddam Hussein, even after his use of chemical weapons. He appointed officials who claimed nuclear war was winnable, thus raising the chances that miscalculations by the Soviet Union or the United States would plunge the world into chaos.
Yes, we want another Ronald Reagan president to keep on DESTROYING the MIDDLE CLASS. Reagan showed little concern for the deindustrialized workers who suffered during the 1980s, and he was actively hostile to unions, firing PATCO air-traffic controllers en masse after they struck for better pay and working conditions. His Attorney General, Edwin Meese, displayed little regard for civil liberties, noting, "You don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime." His Interior Secretary, James Watt, fancied dead trees over live ones. And no one in the Reagan White House appeared to care about a new pandemic that mainly killed homosexuals. Reagan's inaction and bigotry against gays and drug-users led to tens of thousands of deaths that might have been avoided if he had moved earlier.
Yes, we want another CUT and RUN president (REMEMBER LEBANON?)
If you forgot or don't remember the bad things Reagan republicans did, please google reagans legacy. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040628/editors
Nicole Belle says that "Chris Matthews eats, sleeps and breathes politics, that much is clear.
Well, that may be true. But I guess even the best of them, Matthews, included, forgot to read the Newsweek article by Patti Davis:
CAMPAIGN 2008
In the Name of the Father…
The 2008 presidential candidates are obsessed with who’s more like Ronald Reagan, who’s a better hunter and who’s more religious. Can’t anyone be their own man (or woman)?
By Patti Davis | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Dec 29, 2007
Read the entire article @:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/82384
I guess Chrissy "Poo-Poo" Matthews failed to read the the Newsweek article by Patti Davis, even as MSNBC continues to invite writers from Newsweek on their shows and constantly invokes Reagan's name. I doubt Nancy Reagan going by what Patti Davis writes, wants to hear from any of these candidates or from Matthews about these Reagan imposter candidates.
This much is clear--Matthews loves to fantasize, and fantasizing he does, it seems so sure about the type of man he never was yet so, wants to be.
Maybe this is a call to Obama and others that it's high time to repudiate the Reagan myths?
As long as we prop up fantasies like Reagan as the Big Strong Daddy and Gerald Ford as the Great Healer, we're screwing ourselves, plain and simple.
Matthews is a motor mouth. I love the way Keith O nails him on the stem cell issue. Keith has a brain, as opposed to Tweety.
John McCain's great-grandfather was a slave-owner.
John McCain, not George W. Bush was the neocons top pick in 2000. William Kristol worked hard for John McCain in 2000. When W. appeared to be the winner in 2000 and that he lacked foreign policy experience, the neocons coalesced around W. Bush.
Matt Welch has written a great book about John McCain: the "Myth of a Maverick," which includes the fact that he is a staunch conservative and militarist, and would be even worse than Bush in waging wars of aggression on other nation's in the Middle East.
Just what we need to lead us at the crossroads of our countries history...a batsheet crazy angry old guy who wants to stay in a war for 1000 years who seems to be losing it mentally. Throw in Joe Momentum and you have a real winner. I don't like Hillary at all because I can't envision 3 decades of a Bush Clinton Bush Clinton plutocracy but she will destroy him in debates should he win the nomination.
Hey, Chrissy “Poo-Poo” Matthews, when you wake up, out of your drunken "I Love John McCain stupor" and stop your male sexual fantasies, albeit, subconsciously, perhaps you need to get acquainted with some of the McCain's family history. Hey, Chris idiot just remember these little items:
John McCain's family material wealth was built on the backs of slave labor. In fact, McCain's great-grandfather owned slaves....
Hey, Chrissy “Poo-Poo” Matthews it is time to do your job as a "journalist" and expose this "maverick" (McCain) on this little bit of "legacy"?
CM to Giuliani"Ive been a troubadour for you for months".......he said this yesterday in an interview on msnbc.
Alzheimer's isn't even the worst of it
I understand that McCain has had malignant melanoma, with either two recurrences, or two separate metachronous occurrences. Neither carries good odds of long-term survival, though the former would be even worse. MM is prone to spontaneous remissions, probably because it is more responsive to the immune system even after it has metastasized, but it is also prone to spontaneous recurrence from dormant metastases so small that they may not even be recognized at the time of diagnosis when metastases are searched for. His nine-year survival prospects, quite aide from the standard expectations for someone his age, aren't great. It's not even at all unlikely that a sudden spontaneous recurrence could happen between now and the convention. At the very least, he probably won't be interested in the Vice-Presidency, because his 17-year survival prospects are really grim.
With all his sucking up, it should be quite obvious to anyone by now that Chris Matthews wants to wrap something other than “The Mantle of Reagan” around McCain.
Glen, maybe thats why Joe momentum wants to be vice president. It's always about him.
I can't stand McCain. He's a madman. And yet he's the best they have to offer. Even more frightening.
So many people talking about Reagan today, but no one mentioning supply side economics and deficits. I wonder why, since it's that thinking that has taken our economy straight into the crapper.
Trickle down economics!!!!! Reagan's legacy!!!! Only now it is no longer a trickle but a full scale busted sewage pipe flooding all of us with crap. Great republican economic policies!!!!! They have told us since the days of FDR that if they only had the chance to be in charge, things would really be great. Well, now they have been proven completely and utterly WRONG!!!! WRONG about the war, WRONG about the economy, WRONG about health care, WRONG about everything they have touched for 28 years now!!!!! They aren't the right. They are the WRONG!!!
I'm concerned about his choice for VP if he wins the nomination. I have heard both Lieberman or Huckabee. Given McCains age and health - both suggestions scare the Hell out of me. Either of them would be disastrous for the Country as would McCain. Again, we are going to be given the lesser of two evils. As an Independent, I will probably hold my nose and vote for the Democrat nominee and wish that Dodd or Biden hadn't been ignored. What is it with the American people who ignore people with experience in Government and Foreign Affairs and opt for names and personalities that the MSM feed them.
"Cindy looked very much like a first lady."
I am reminded of Tweety's creepily juvenile admiration of how W. looked in his sock-stuffed, crotch-bulging flight suit on Mission Accomplished day, and of his bizarre comment about Grandpa Fred's Aqua Velva smell. Now he rhapsodizes about how McCain's spouse looks up on stage clapping and beaming, as though this makes the nomination now rightfully his.
Edward R. Murrow is throwing up in his grave.
From CNN.com, John McCain "Issues" section on Stem Cell research:
"Supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research on embryos that would otherwise be discarded or perpetually frozen."
Seems more lenient than anyone else in the Republican field (besides Rudy).
This kind of blather on Tweety's part is utter, total, irredeemable bullshit. NO ONE SHOULD WATCH OR PAY ANY ATTENTION. The only way to put an end to it is to ignore it, but obviously "progressives" need to preen themselves in the light of being Not-Tweety, so we keep pointing out, day after week after month after year, that Tweety is a woman-hating sick freak.
I'm beginning to be sick of BOTH sides, frankly.
Two totally different styles of presenting:
Chris Matthews just talks and talks..
Meanwhile, Keith Olberman has something to say...
There's a big difference!
Keith must be a very patient man to work with ol' Tweety!
This from a man who claims that politics is all about ideas! He spends his entire show gossiping about he said, she said. After hearing Gary Kasparov's analysis on Bill Maher's (not his) show, he has the audacity to say that our politicians talk down to us.
Here's a clue Mr. Matthews, ask substantive questions, demand answers to those questions and then follow up rather than moving on to the next question on your list!
John H. Farr @ 35:
Now, let me see...... The republicans have Buchannan, Scarborough, Matthews, Dobbs, Malveaux, Blitzer, McLaughlin, etc., all three major networks and Fox. The left has Keith Olbermann. THAT IS FUCKING IT. We get bombarded by "liburillls teh suxxor" 24/7. So what part of "our side" is it you are tired of? You realize the press is making a mountain out of a molehill on EVERY FUCKING THING they can with Clinton and Obama, don't you? I'm not going to pretend that these two are perfect, hell, they aren't even my choices (Draft Gore/Clark '08) but I will damn sure vote for either of them in the general election.
Keith asked exactly the right question while Tweety tried to crown McLame the heir apparent. If Matthews wasn't such a despicable shill he would've realized how insightful a point Keith's question was.
Let's be honest, Matthews has a hard on for McCain, there really is no other way to say it. What is the deal with Matthews and his "story"? I know at one point he said McCain "deserved" to be President. What a strange creature he is.
calls Nancy Reagan and ask for an endorsement.
Why not just call her astrologer and get an endorsement and next week's lotto numbers?
Who the f*ck is Nancy Reagan that anybody should want her opinion on anything? She's just a mediocre actress who married a mediocre actor actor that had a talent for being able to embellish talking points he got over a teleprompter.
What's sad is that its much more financially cheaper for MSNBC to throw clowns like Tweety on the air to spurt opinions than it is to send cameras and journalists out into the world and collect information.
I would be surprised if Tweety is not a closet Repub.
These people make like Reagan was some kinda God. The Soviet Union was about to collapse on it's own weight of military build up, wars, deficit spending and collapsing economy...same thing this nation is about to collapse under thanks to Bush....and Reagan gets credit for bringing down the Soviet Empire. Bullshit. Reagan was a senile useless old bastard who gave us AIDSgate, Iran Contra, Star Wars - military industrial complex, and the biggest deficit in US history until fellow Republican Bush came along and out did him. He would throw his own gay son under the bus to appease his right wing base, family values indeed.
Ruthless People @ 44:
And Trickle Down Economics. Something the Shrub has exercised in spades.
Anyone noticing that the media is building up McCain as the guy who will "heal" the bipartisan rift that has occurred? As if the Dems have to learn how to get on board with all of the "reaching out" that the Repubs are doing.
In that vein, anyone want to hold a gentleman's bet that if McCain gets the nomination, he's going to bring Lieberputz along as his running mate? Lieberputz, the representative of the "liberal" side of the country?
Otay @ 45:
I guess after Bush collapses our economy Putin or China can try to take credit for bringing down the American Empire? Reagan brought nothing to the table but lies, division, deficits and fear. A true Republican if ever there was one.
Kieth could hardly get a word in edgewise. Tweety monopolized the clip, 3/4 of the clip was all Tweety. Tweety cut off Kieth like 4 or 5 times. It musta been tought for Kieth to have to sit across the table from Tweety being cut off like and hearing Reagan being immortalized. Kieth's a bigger man than I. I would have got up and walked out.
Well, consider who watches MSNBC. Not a lot of Cons, and I don't think independents are going to be that swayed by Chris Matthews. It's more of the "inside the beltway" verbal masturbation from Matthews. I like a couple of their "analysts" (no, not Scarborough or Buchanan), who seem less interested in laying on the "label of the day" as does Matthews. And finally, believe me, they can evoke Ronald Reagan's name 1,000 times a day, but it ain't going to resonate with the people who are going to decide this election. (Heck, even true "Reaganites" like Buchanan laugh at the usage).
Matthews won't let many people finish their thoughts, even Keith Olbermann. You could see Keith was ticked off the other night when he was talked over and I'm sure he doesn't like teaming up with the guy. I don't even know why Matthews has any guest speakers at all as he's so full of himself they are a mere distraction to his "right" version of the world. I don't watch Hardball anymore and I tell everyone I know not to as well.
Oh yeah...for what it's worth. The last thing this country needs at this critical juncture is a 72 year old white guy. We desperately need a President who will not only motivate young people, but who will inspire them to get involved in the process more frequently more than just once every two years (if we're lucky even for that). We don't need some relic from the Reagan era, of limited intellectual ability and firmly grounded in the last century, we need someone fresh, new, communicative, who can reach
the millions of Americans who don't spend their day watching cable TV news. And who understand that it's only by exercising their collective weight in politics on a quasi-permanent basis that the old special interests dominated system will be neutralized. We need someone who can actually convince the "slacker" young people who will be the driving force of the country for the next 30 years to realize that
they have to be the collective voice of real change. I think the internet is a vital machine in this, but it has go beyond even this community. Hence, of course, I favor Obama. But any of the Democrats is a major step in this direction. I'd love to see "inspiration" as a theme.....(hey, the Repugs have their Reagan myth, we can rebuild on the JFK myth). But none of this will even begin to happen if we "activists" on the Left splinter once again and shoot ourselves in the foot.
as long as we're remembering reagan we need to also remember the anti-reagan....samantha smith, the girl who became an anti-nuclear, anti-star wars PR nightmare for reagan's handlers. she was idolized by many americans and becoming a hollywood star thanks to the clinton's producer friends, the bloodworth-thomassons when she was probably wellstoned in 1985 at the age of 13.
He is using an Abba song! "Take On Me"",
I believe McCain is trying draw the drag queen demographic away from Giuliani.
If McCain wrapped himself in the mantle of Ray Gun, would that be an act of transvestisism or homosexuality?
A teleprompter is a damned good idea for McCain
He can use it just as his hero, Reagan did.
Put it at the foot of his bed, and look at it first thing in the morning, in case he's forgotten his wife's name and the country he's president of.
McCain will jump on the pro-stem-cell battleground, as soon as he learns they may be able to regrow his shriveled gonads.
If he remembers what it was like to have a couple dangling.
Or necrophilia?
Prudence would caution anyone who was about to have a Reagan mantle placed on them, to have it fumigated just in case any of those brain-eating crabs were still present.
53 Fil
Wont it be funny when if Julianna wins the White House, that everytime the wife cheating transvestite traveled, all the reporters will be saying he went abroad?
Earlier in the evening Tweety said something along the lines of Democrats want to hold meetings and repugs look for a leader. Keith looked like it took everything in him to break out from laughing at Tweety's lazy, piss poor analysis.
I'm waiting for 'Hardball' to open on a shot of the MSNBC orchestra, then start panning across deep purple drapes, as Ed McMahon intones, basso profundo,
"Annnndddddd NNooooooowwwwwwww, HHHEEEEERRRRRREEEEEEE'SSSSSS the
SSSSTTTTTTAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR of our SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOWWWWW,
CCCCCHHHHHHHRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE,
MMMMMMMAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nonbeliever @ 60:
That should be not break out laughing at Tweety's lazy, piss poor analysis.
Funny thing about putting on somebody else's mantle is in Greek myth, Herakles died from poisening when he put on a mantle that was soaked in the blood of Nessus, a centaur he killed, who was trying to kidnap the big guy's wife Deianeira.
Then there was the story about Queen Morganna sending her brother King Arthur a mantle by messenger. King Arthur suspected something was afoot, and had the messenger put on the mantle, whereupon the messenger burst into flames and screaming death. (It's always the low paid flunky who pays for the evils of their "superiors."
King Arthur would be better off sticking to his own mantle Gwynn. When he sat upon it or wrapped himself in it, he could observe battles invisibly.
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For those who would consider McCain as the right man to put in charge of the whole US of A, may I remind them what happened, years ago, the last time we put him in charge of an expensive piece of government property?
. @ 64:
I got
48 Kucinich
37 Obama
37 Edwards
36 Clinton
-4 Giuliani
-5 McCain
-13 Paul
-32 Romney
-39 Huckabee
-48 Tancredo
I do not care about the 2nd amendment, guns should be all banned, assault rifles should be banned, thorough screenings are essential.
Obama being a city dweller would be a +++ to tighten up gun control and ban assault rifles. Fuck the 2nd amendment.
Can someone please tell me why Ronald Reagan is the "patron saint" of the Republican party? What am I missing? What on earth did this guy do that was so memorable?
This has confounded me for many years. Especially when republicans are campaigning; it's all you hear about- who can or will be most like Reagan...
What is the big deal?
All I really remember of Reagan is trading arms for hostages after telling the nation we wouldn't trade arms for hostages, Iran Contra, and the mind numbing non-response to the 1983 Beriut bombing that killed 241 U.S. service personel.
Oh yeah, and I remember his Vice President, GHW Bush, former CIA Director, telling America he wasn't 'part of the loop' regarding Iran-Contra. Like we were supposed to believe that.
Can anyone help me out? I'm just astounded at how much and how often Reagan is put on a pedestal.
bluestatedon @ 33:
After 45 plastic surgeries , who wouldn't ?
Cindy McCain looked very much like a shriveled-up scarecrow....she ought to go back to the short-hair, but because of the "whispers" when Cindy had such a close-crop, and needing that "Christian vote," forget about it....
Back in the day, in 2000, there were "whispers" by the ultra-right wing and the Rovians, claiming Cindy McCain was a "lesbian" and someone who liked to "play around" but that was before the McCain's family transformation. She looked better with the short hair, now, looks like a scarecrow.
Cindy McCain and Nancy Reagan have one thing in common---they both look very, very, old, indeed.
MCMetal @ 69:
You sure....Fire that Plastic Surgeon already!!!!! He was an awful plastic surgeon then, because "Cindy McCain looked very much like a shriveled-up scarecrow."
chris STFU. it's mindless rudness to constantly interrupt someone else while he/she is talking, but it's down right disrespectful to not let the other person at least finish his/her sentence, especially when you don't have ANYTHING intelligent to say.
again, SHUT THE FUCK UP CHRIS !!!!!!!!!!!
John McCain is the neocons choice for president, just like he was in 2000!!!!
With a McCain presidency, you will get more war and more militarism and more right-wing justices on the U.S. Supreme Court. McCain is not a "maverick" but a right-wing, conservative hack who will give the corporations more and more free handouts just like W. Bush has done. McCain is an evil bastard and not one to trust at the top helm of America.
Plus, the fact that McCain is war criminal (not a "war hero") for dropping bombs on innocent villagers--men, women, children and the elderly, from above in the Vietnam War. McCain along with Henry Kissinger and Bob Kerrey all belong at the Hague for their crimes against the peace and crimes against humanity. It is time to call McCain for what he is and that is a WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!!!! I amtired of this celebrating of McCain as some great "war hero" when he was killing innocent villagers from above. I am equally tired of people who wage wars and carry them out being hailed as "great people" when all they are doing is destroying the earth and humanity in the process. It is time to reject the militarism and war mongering posturing of Mr. McCain!!!!
bluestatedon @ 33:
Morons like Tweety is the reason why this country has sinked to the bottom. The low level of expectations that we find ourselves currently is due to the media's own diminished ability. Chris Matthews would never be a real journalist, as he lacks the formation, background, and never had to pay any dues. He however "looks" the part, so in his mind he is good enough. Therefore, as long as someone "looks presidential" that seems to be the only requirement/qualification to herald the highest office in the land.
I am about to blame a lot of this shit on the baby boomers and the generations that followed them, their spoiled brat asses decided that when reality does not fit your interests, it is far easier to create your own than to actually put the work necessary to change/effect reality. It all went down hill when that fucktard Reagan held the white house, and even though his policies fucked a majority of the country, history is simply rewritten and taken that at least he made "people feel good" with his speeches...
And that is where we are now: a spoiled moron, with a track record as a miserable failure gets to be president because "he looked the part and he is a person of principle" never mind that there has never been a definition of what the part looks like, and what those principles are. Then we have the illiterate weightlifter son of a Nazi heralding the nations most important sate. And two of the Democratic forerunners listing a miserable failure as Ronald Reagan in their list of most influential presidents.
This is like some sort of nightmare, and there is no way to wake up. The greedy moronic jocks are running the country now, and we have devolved from being the greatest nation on earth down to a non-stop popularity contest.
5by5 @ 14:
I don't understand it either. I was in high school during Reagan, & our science classes were dominated by nuclear warfare & what our chances of survival were or were not. Even if we didn't get blown to hell, the economy looked so bleak, that when we graduated, we wondered if we'd ever have jobs. And it was under Reagan that they armed Saddam Hussein & trained terrorists in Afghanistan to fight the former USSR, creating the very problem these candidates promise us they'll solve. Doesn't anyone remember Iran Contra? Hondouras? Panama? Grenada?
Alan Moore wrote V For Vendetta in retaliation to the Thathcher & Reagan era of thuggery.
At least Reagan inspired great music; he almost invented hardcore himself. Where are the new Dead Kennedys, Crass, & Reagan's Youth??
Chris Matthews must go.....Please keep up the emails to MSNBC and let them know by getting rid of Matthews and Carlson, will level their playing field.
Joe Scar is right wing enough for one network.
Jack Jett @ 76:
Joe Scar needs to take a loooooooooooooooooooong nap.
Matthews is really delusional--he thinks that Mrs. Reagan is a "friend" of his--someone better break it to this moron that she cannot abide him. She tolerated him because her son, Ron jr., was a sometime commentator on MSNBC.
I know this for fact, because she happens to be a very close friend of very dear friends of mine in Bel Air. Matthews has no sense of shame or decency.
His contract should be bought out and he should be replaced because he brings absolutely NOTHING to any discussion about politics or for that matter, anything else. What an ass.
Indeed, the rewriting of history regarding Reagan is just creepy. The lovefest that sparked his funeral, with flags half mast for moths as if the death of this useless piece of shit was somehow a national tragedy, all force fed down our throats.
Reagan was nothing but the pinnacle of the GOP efforts to destroy the New Deal. And in a lot of sense, he was the anti-FDR: intellectually lazy, incapable of human candor and compassion (unless scripted), and misplacing the good of the many for the benefit of the very few at the top.
The fact that two of the Democratic fore runners have included that asshole in their lists of influential presidents, with one of them caught in tape trying to pander to his personality cult is disturbing to me. Furthermore, the same "liberal" candidates have to struggle in order to qualify any statement that resembles something pertaining to the common good.
This is, the New Deal social efforts, which basically saved this country and provided hope for the people... enough to not only restore the nation's standing but to actually further it to unprecedented levels, to the point that we were able to fight and win a world war in two fronts, spark the greatest industrial expansion the world has ever seen, one of the most unprecedented advancements in science culminating with a bunch of Americans prancing around the moon. That is now seen as toxic. While the selfish, greedy, libertarian and generally reactionary policies that led to ever major catastrophe (both in social and economic terms) in this country; from the collapse of the Gilded Age, the Great Depression, the recessions of the 70s, 80, and early 90s. All of those insane policies and attitudes, have been rewritten and whitewashed by the GOP cronies, to the point of being perceived as virtues.
As I said many times, poor Orwell could not have imagined such a ruthless fascisti group as the GOPers.
As so many here are saying, the Regan lovefest really is kinda creepy. Rather ironic, as well, since if you think about it his biggest "success" (that is, leaving aside more arguable things like massive debt, widespread recession, and propping up dictators) was bringing down the Soviet Union. Which of course happened because the Soviet Union was run by a power-hungry militaristic group of leaders, invested a massive portion of its resources in a military machine, and got bogged down in a guerrilla war in Afghanistan.
Oh, wait, maybe they DO want to forget about that.
McCrazy is an old adulterous fool. I guess he IS the perfect Ronnie Repub.
Ronald Reagan was a half-bright pitchman with a well-rehearsed Hollywood grin who made it big selling corporate snake oil to the rubes in "the Heartland". 100% style, zero substance. He was a knee-jerk reactionary who never had an original thought in his life, but the crackpot ideas he sold to the American public on behalf of the corporatocracy sure went a long way towards speeding this country down the road to ruin.
An amoral weather-vane like Chris Matthews will never understand or care about that. It's all about projection of image and power with these guys. They're up to their knees in blood spilled by their little fantasy figures.
That said, John McCain makes for a piss-poor replica of Ronnie, who at least, on a good day could offer a decent portrayal of vitality. McCain by contrast has the energy of your great-aunt Hazel when her rheumatism is acting up. I mean, for a saber-rattling maverick, he sure does dodder. He acts as though he always has a little strain of cooked spinach dribbling from the edge of his mouth.
Wait until you see this recent clip of Chris Matthews on "The Tonight Show" with Jay Leno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEcUTYbuDvY
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I just wish Obama wasn't doing the same thing.
Mr. XXXX @ 73:
Well said, you took the thoughts I have right out of my head. Matthews does this country a great disservice promoting this war monger neocon for president. Democrats have to bring him down even if that means Hillary, the lesser of two evils.
I thought Romney was the fair-haired boy of the senior Bushes.
Doesn't Nancy pretty famously loathe the senior Bushes?
What's sad, is that the Republicans under the age of 40 have no adult experience with Reagan, yet they are so brainwashed by Christianity and conservative dogma they will swallow the tripe that Reagan was the best president ever.
Abbybwood @ 83:
It's just chat by million dollar salaried camera models. If you or that youtube poster want news, stop watching the boob tube and pick up a newspaper.
What's so great about Reagan anyway, Tweety? He's the second-worst president we've ever had. Another "Reagan" in the White House will kill us. I'm going to out to claim my spot below the viaduct today, before some middle management-type gets it.
Yes, that's just what we need for President, another mind-addled, old fart movie actor....oh, wait, that's right, it's Fred Thompson that's now officially "toast", not I-kiss-everybody's-ass-for-a-vote McCain.
That's right, Tweety, keep linking McCain to Saint Ronald of Raygun, and see if the American people buy THAT line of horseshit again.
Way to go Keith. Bring the conversation back to issues. Stem Cell Research already. What's McCain's position, who knows. But at least you spotlighted an ISSUE for a change.
Tweety is filling in for Joe on 'Morning Joe' on Tuesday, so imagine the garbage we will have to digest with 3 hrs of all Tweety. Mika won't beable to get a word in, of course, she does'nt get much chance with Scarborough bloviating endlessly, either.
Cindy McCain looks like she is make on the prescription drugs again. Her eyes give her away, when you can see them.
dadams @ 72:
I'm not sure Chris can help himself. I'll bet he has a raging case of Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I don't watch him a lot but it's occasionally interesting to check in on him to see if he took his meds on a given day since some days he's more rational and in control than others.
The "Mantle of Reagan"? Shouldn't that be the "Blankie of Reagan". May we expect McCain to sleep through most of his term as well?
I lived in Canada for all of the Reagan presidency and three years of Bush I. I have never understood my fellow American's love and worship for Reagan.
I strongly suggest that all Americans take a long trip abroad, or live abroad for some time if at all possible (and Canada is indeed abroad) just to see our homeland from another nation's POV. We (me and my Canadian friends) just didn't get it. We saw Reagan at best as a fumbling fool and a tool of big business, and at worst as the greatest threat to humanity since the plague. I still am amazed that the world lived to tell the tale of Reagan.
Chris Matthews has man crush on,John McCain,and a dead guy.Chris uses Reagan skull,as a sex toy.
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