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Hillary Clinton supporter, Lanny Davis, appeared on Tucker Tuesday and found himself faced with accusations that his candidate was trying to play the victim card and claimed she had been the victim of gender discrimination during last night's debate in South Carolina.

Davis reminds Tucker that Senator Clinton attended Yale Law School, which is predominately male, but the formerly-bow-tie-clad putz wouldn't hear it. He just can't fathom the idea that any woman who is white and wealthy could ever be discriminated against in any situation. I think there would be more than a few women out there who would take exception to Mr. Carlson's claim...

Tucker:"...It takes a lot of guts for a rich, privileged white lady that was one of the most powerful people in the world to claim that she is a victim of gender discrimination. Can you believe she said that?"



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Why is this stupid little putz still on TV ?

Does anybody even watch his shitty show ?

But, who cares about what happens on a show that no one watches?

Whatever.

They should drop Tucker in southeast and see what happens, then maybe he'll understand a thing or two about what discrimination feels like.

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

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Heh - women say there's a glass ceiling; but how can they tell when glass is invisible!

Ha! They'll never come up to an answer for that one!

I are so smrt!

It's not her gender that is the problem!! It's her policy positions!!! She is awful!!!

Tucker is a real douchebag.

miss_kitty @ 5:

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

Tucker is about as useful as a Bush in the WhiteHouse, but in a chance stroke of luck, he's right........Hillary has never faced anything closely resembling discrimination......although, as a male, I am curious....why does she get the sympathy vote of women? Bill is a wandering womanizer, yet she has done nothing to divorce him ever. I mean why? Because she had dreams of some day being Prez and needed his name, or what is it?

"No privileged white women have ever experienced gender discrimination" IS gender discrimination.

DOgEatDog at Number8 got it right- it is not her gender it is her behavior at these debates that is appalling....and her position on many issues is a Problem ( BTW she and Edwards are not on the SAME page re. Healthcare- only in her mind...she should never have said that...)

about tucker ?
well, I am sure the 8 people that watched him were not shocked by what he said- only that he is still on....

ConcernedCanuck @ 10:

miss_kitty @ 5:

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

Tucker is about as useful as a Bush in the WhiteHouse, but in a chance stroke of luck, he's right........Hillary has never faced anything closely resembling discrimination......although, as a male, I am curious....why does she get the sympathy vote of women? Bill is a wandering womanizer, yet she has done nothing to divorce him ever. I mean why? Because she had dreams of some day being Prez and needed his name, or what is it?

Maybe she forgave him.

I completely agree that women of all races and socio-economic levels are subject to gender discrimination. However its is a valid tho arguable point to debate whether Hillary is subject to gender discrimination. Personally I think she's doing alright.
For a chick

Oh God not Lonny Davis again. Pleeeze no more Clintonites. I can't take it anymore! This Lonny Davis dude is useless. He was Bill Clinton's attorney during the Lewinsky affair. That's great advice you gave the prez heh Lonny. They should have done what Bush has done. Deny Everything. If they start dragging gnomes like him out of the closet, we are DOOMED!

Concerned Canuck:
just for the record NOT all Women support Hillary...don't worry.

"Planet Earth"? This guy will say anything to try and win an argument. Why why why is this person on the air?

Whenever is see F*cker Carlson, I think of this commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66q4CzeDjc

Hillary is a pampered, ambitious housewife. She nor her narcissistic minions know squat about discrimination.

They belong to the club that hires colored women to nanny their kids and clean their macmansions.

Fake women, fake causes.

no woman, no cry Bob Marley

At the end of the 2004 Presidential election, the office I workED in tuned in to John Kerry's concession speech. Just as Kerry was coming to the podium, one of my co-worker's waxed philosophical about his vote: "I voted for Bush, because at least his wife knows her place." What a horrible thing to say. I, as the one of only 2 women in the office, felt very discriminated against. With all my blood running to my face, I to got up to leave, only to have him proclaim, "What's the problem, darlin'? See, this is exactly what I meant. Women just don't belong in places where men and thick skin are required." This kind of attitude is exactly the kind of thing that is getting our country no where.

american woman @ 19:

Hillary is a pampered, ambitious housewife. She nor her narcissistic minions know squat about discrimination.

They belong to the club that hires colored women to nanny their kids and clean their macmansions.

Fake women, fake causes.
I'm sure you're a real prize yourself.

no woman, no cry Bob Marley

This Tucker son-of-a-bitch has got to go. He and all anti- Hillary nit pickers piss me off. Her saying "lived it", meant she lived through that period of time. Jeezz, everything is taken out of context for exploitive purposes. I guarantee that should Obama get the nomination, I would vote for him, this country will split wide open by underground and open racism. Oh, don't forget the Republican slime added to it.

Whenever I see Tucker Carlson, I am guilty of discriminating against soulless dishonest nincompoops with absolutely no discernable talent. I guess that makes me a "competence-ist".

To reframe slightly: a man who thinks that someone he doesn't want to have sex with expressing a sexual interest in him is grounds for felony assault can't imagine any circumstances in which a woman might be a victim of gender discrimination?

He's upset because she has bigger balls than he does. Isn't Tucker dating Willie Geist?

Tucker Carlson and a burned out night light have a lot in common. Neither one has any brilliance. LOL! He'd get the weepy pee-pee award if Doug Giles hadn't whined in a much more ridiculous fashion.

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Is C&L supporting Hillary? It sure does come out that way. Obama is fighting all the Clinton lies and we never see anything here about the absolute falsehoods Hillary and Bill have been smearing Obama with. The sickening politics those two are playing should draw the harshest of criticisms from all progressives. I am a big supporter of Obama. I have given his campaign $500 of my hard earned money because I believe in that man's ability to completely change this country. Hillary though is playing extremely dirty. She is throwing out the most vile attacks and Obama has been a complete gentlemen and has not gotten down to her level. Now in the debate he finally stands up to the bully and is pushing back. Where is the sympathetic pictures of Obama here?

Hillary is a rich white woman that has NEVER experienced discrimination. To compare a rich white woman that has had it all to Obama - who lost tragically both parents at a young age and has struggled his whole life because of race .... is downright offensive to me. It saddens me that someone could ever consider Hillary someone fighting the status quo. She is the status quo.

No, I can't watch the video.

That whimp makes me want to vomit when I see or hear him. He is such a drip, it always surprises me that idiots can have a regular show on the television. There's a whole collection of them, but why anyone would listen to them or pay any attention to anything they have to say is beyond me.

Don't Know My Place @ 20:

At the end of the 2004 Presidential election, the office I workED in tuned in to John Kerry's concession speech. Just as Kerry was coming to the podium, one of my co-worker's waxed philosophical about his vote: "I voted for Bush, because at least his wife knows her place." What a horrible thing to say. I, as the one of only 2 women in the office, felt very discriminated against. With all my blood running to my face, I to got up to leave, only to have him proclaim, "What's the problem, darlin'? See, this is exactly what I meant. Women just don't belong in places where men and thick skin are required." This kind of attitude is exactly the kind of thing that is getting our country no where.

Get the hell out of there ASAP.

budda @ 28:

Is C&L supporting Hillary? It sure does come out that way. Obama is fighting all the Clinton lies and we never see anything here about the absolute falsehoods Hillary and Bill have been smearing Obama with. The sickening politics those two are playing should draw the harshest of criticisms from all progressives. I am a big supporter of Obama. I have given his campaign $500 of my hard earned money because I believe in that man's ability to completely change this country. Hillary though is playing extremely dirty. She is throwing out the most vile attacks and Obama has been a complete gentlemen and has not gotten down to her level. Now in the debate he finally stands up to the bully and is pushing back. Where is the sympathetic pictures of Obama here?

Hillary is a rich white woman that has NEVER experienced discrimination. To compare a rich white woman that has had it all to Obama - who lost tragically both parents at a young age and has struggled his whole life because of race .... is downright offensive to me. It saddens me that someone could ever consider Hillary someone fighting the status quo. She is the status quo.

I couldn't agree more.

What No28 Buddha said is true..alot of sympathy for Hill here at C&L...I would expect a more Balanced approach....What gives ?

i think he's a bit of an idiot but he has a slight point. I think that clip was Hillary trying to equate their status as minorities..which is a bit of a stretch. The fact is Hillary is a pampered, rich, white woman. That's not to say that she hasn't faced discrimination in her life but it IS a stretch to equate- however underhandedly- her life with Obama's which involved an absent father, being raised a black man by a white mother and just being a black male in this society...I mean you can't even begin to level the two. But it's much more tidy- and admittedly this isn't that important- to lump the two of them together.

Neither Tucker nor Davis enspire any lust in the bosom of womankind.

One you want to mother.

One you want to smother.

I will watch the snooze when it is delivered by George Clooney.

Budda,

Discrimination against women and blacks is real. Latinos are taking huge hit right now on race as well. America is still quite primitive. Obama being black and the discrimination he faces does not and never will negate the discrimination against women. Pointing out discrimination does not constitute a pledge to vote.

Clinton gets the sexist spewage and Obama gets the racist asinine spewage. Both are still serious problems that America faces. Pretending one or the other does not exist because you like one candidate over the other is foolish and self-deceiving.

Who's Tucker or is that with an F?

enigma4ever @ 32:

What No28 Buddha said is true..alot of sympathy for Hill here at C&L...I would expect a more Balanced approach....What gives ?

I believe it's more emblematic of who it is that's criticizing Ms Clinton ; be one thing if it were someone that has been discriminated against , whether it be racially or sexually , it's another coming from some brainless little pinhead like stupid Fucker Carlson.......

Isn't he cancelled?

broadsword @ 39:

Isn't he cancelled?

Mentally ?

Yes

You can't be discriminated against because you went to an Ivy League school? Brilliant commentary from MSNBC's finest. So the 35 years or however how long it was before she became a super-elite vanish when you become the wife of a politician? So I guess someone should tell Tavis Smiley he's no longer Black. This loser epitomizes the chauvinistic frat boy mentality to a freakin-T.

In America women:

a)used to be property
b)couldn't vote until 1920
c)have never had a member of their sex be president

I am such a strong supporter of women's rights I'm seriously tempted to vote for Clinton just to see the first female president.
But Obama is so damn SMOOTH! Tucker Carlson would look like an anal wart standing next to him.

Silver Owl @ 36:

Budda,

Discrimination against women and blacks is real. Latinos are taking huge hit right now on race as well. America is still quite primitive. Obama being black and the discrimination he faces does not and never will negate the discrimination against women. Pointing out discrimination does not constitute a pledge to vote.

Clinton gets the sexist spewage and Obama gets the racist asinine spewage. Both are still serious problems that America faces. Pretending one or the other does not exist because you like one candidate over the other is foolish and self-deceiving.

Absolutely - discrimination is a real problem in America. So then I hope you are not voting for Hillary whose campaign is actively involved in making race an issue.

And going back to talking about Obama's drug use - Hillary still hasn't apologized for Penn talking about cocaine during the apology for the first reference on MSNBC. Hillary has yet apologize for the head of BET, in a campaign speech for her, talking about the drug issue just recently.

Obama didn't want this about race and she and Bill continuously play these games and race is brought up again and again. We want a campaign about ideas, but the Clinton's are playing so dirty is really goes beyond what I think is appropriate. And to see Bill doing it, as a former President, is high undignified.

hillary discriminated against?

when what her and penn are doing?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iazXbc-3ccU

It is true and little fucker Tucker speaks from experience.

Lanny and Tucker deserve each other.

DKarma @ 42:

In America women:

a)used to be property
b)couldn't vote until 1920
c)have never had a member of their sex be president

I am such a strong supporter of women's rights I'm seriously tempted to vote for Clinton just to see the first female president.
But Obama is so damn SMOOTH! Tucker Carlson would look like an anal wart standing next to him.

Tucker Carlson IS an anal wart. He was removed from Cheney's ass after Cheney caught anal warts by letting Bush fuck him in the ass as a reward for getting us into Iraq.

It's not like Tucker Carlson ever gets laid anyways, what does he have to worry about? Hah!

Hahahaahaha!

I imagine Hillary was at Yale Law School in the late 60s and early 70s. I also imagine she was not like one of the most powerful women in the world at that time. So she was just an attractive young woman some 40 years ago trying to make her way into a man's profession. If you don't think she faced discrimination, you are either really dumb or you need to ask your parents what life was like back then.

One thing that's not new is hate.

Budda,

I'm not voting for either Clinton or Obama. That does not erase the fact that both have and do face the rancidness of discrimination.

Matthews wants to keep Tucker around so he has someone he can claim to be smarter than.

Hillary Clinton - Yale Law
John Kerry - Yale (and Skull n Bones)
George W Bush - Yale (and Skull n Bones)
George HW Bush - Yale (and Skull n Bones)
Prescott Bush - Yale (and Skull n Bones)
William J Clinton - Yale Law

Democracy? Right.

Wake up. This is a bona fide aristocracy.

ConcernedCanuck @ 10:

miss_kitty @ 5:

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

Tucker is about as useful as a Bush in the WhiteHouse, but in a chance stroke of luck, he's right........Hillary has never faced anything closely resembling discrimination......although, as a male, I am curious....why does she get the sympathy vote of women? Bill is a wandering womanizer, yet she has done nothing to divorce him ever. I mean why? Because she had dreams of some day being Prez and needed his name, or what is it?

Well, he still couldn't state his opinion without making a broad generalization. And I think you're wrong. Bill and Hillary have common political enemies. The personal differences they would have had over Bill's indiscretion were mitigated by mutual sympathy for the unconscionable invasion of their personal lives that should have been theirs alone to sort out. We don't know the depth of their relationship. But we do know if their marriage got destroyed, Republicans would have considered it a victory (cos Republicans are all about family values).

What pisses me off is that Hillary does wear her womanhood on her sleeve. I really don't care what sex she is. I want to know why she is better than Obama or Edwards. Obama doesn't wear his race on his sleeve, yet I'm pretty damn sure he's seen more discrimination than Hillary ever has. What is she trying to imply, that her opponents are sexists? What does this crap have to do with the race other than trying to manipulate women? Bush Jr did the same thing by being "the type of guy you'd want to have a beer with." Huh? How about let's talk about how Hillary's campaign has been smearing her opponents? How about some of the shady characters that are helping her run it?

Amen Tucker, tell it like it is brother!

budda @ 28:

Is C&L supporting Hillary? It sure does come out that way. Obama is fighting all the Clinton lies and we never see anything here about the absolute falsehoods Hillary and Bill have been smearing Obama with. The sickening politics those two are playing should draw the harshest of criticisms from all progressives. I am a big supporter of Obama. I have given his campaign $500 of my hard earned money because I believe in that man's ability to completely change this country. Hillary though is playing extremely dirty. She is throwing out the most vile attacks and Obama has been a complete gentlemen and has not gotten down to her level. Now in the debate he finally stands up to the bully and is pushing back. Where is the sympathetic pictures of Obama here?

Hillary is a rich white woman that has NEVER experienced discrimination. To compare a rich white woman that has had it all to Obama - who lost tragically both parents at a young age and has struggled his whole life because of race .... is downright offensive to me. It saddens me that someone could ever consider Hillary someone fighting the status quo. She is the status quo.

Give C & L a break! How do you suppose Johny Amato and Nicolette eat ?

LOLZ.

Leave it to a stuffy white rich clueless formerly-bowtie-wearing dumbass to dismiss the inequalities of sex and race. I mean, it's just too "rich".

Silver Owl @ 36:

Budda,

Discrimination against women and blacks is real. Latinos are taking huge hit right now on race as well. America is still quite primitive. Obama being black and the discrimination he faces does not and never will negate the discrimination against women. Pointing out discrimination does not constitute a pledge to vote.

Clinton gets the sexist spewage and Obama gets the racist asinine spewage. Both are still serious problems that America faces. Pretending one or the other does not exist because you like one candidate over the other is foolish and self-deceiving.

Isn't discrimination merely a polysyllabic word for hate? True, there's a more tangible, measurable component of hate in discrimination. However, let's--for the sake of this argument--distill it down to pure hate.

We humans struggle so hard to be spiritual. Why then, is it so easy to hate?

Further, why do we disrespect people by denigrating their personal experiences? If Clinton says that she has experienced discrimination, that is her personal experience. How can anyone else speak about her personal experience? The same is true of Obama. His own experience of discrimination is his and his alone. Only he can speak of it.

How sad that either of them have to play this blame and shame game in order to get ahead in this campaign. I find the blame and shame game distasteful, no matter who plays it. When will we as a species rise above such childish, churlish, hateful ways?

Each of us has been on the receiving end of the blame and shame game. Each of us has experienced discrimination. Our personal responses to these experiences are the most important measure of our spiritual growth. Do we choose to play this awful game, or do we choose to do something different?

Thank you for your comment, Silver Owl. We must be the change we wish to see in the world.

chris @ 54:

Amen Tucker, tell it like it is brother!

chris, why am I not surprised?

My mother got into UCB at a time when 2% of law students were women. She was is a successful lawyer, retired recently. Tucker has got to be kidding, can we send him back to the sand box?

While it is certainly true that White/Rich makes for viable candidates,the idea that Mrs. Clinton is somehow beyond reproach or discrimination is utterly ridiculous.Of course this is simply another glaring example of going after the candidates strongest attributes.What ever else can be said of the Clintons,they have shown themselves time and again to be sensitive to the concerns of Blacks,Latinos,and the American East Asian communities.To suggest a kind of "white privilege" is to undermine the Lady's character and record in a devious and underhanded manner.I can't even begin to imagine how terribly nasty and ugly this race is going to get.I wish we were beyond this shit.

Ask any woman who is 50 or older. We can tell you some stories about incredibly stupid attitudes and actions. I don't think Tucker knows any women except his mother. Obviously, research is beyond his abilities. He must get on his knees every night and thank God for right wing welfare.

When Clinton said that "we all have experienced discrimination" (and please note the "all"; it wasn't "both of us"), I couldn't help but wonder what sort of discrimination she thought Edwards suffered.

Then it hit me. He's the homosexual. Coulter. Clinton. Whatever.

chervilant @ 57:

Isn't discrimination merely a polysyllabic word for hate?

We humans struggle so hard to be spiritual. Why then, is it so easy to hate?

We must be the change we wish to see in the world.

No, hate is an emotion. That is it. it is one of the many emotions we have available to us. just as valid as any other. Discrimination is an action. BIG difference. My motto: Hate me all you want, don't hang me from a tree.

I don't accept your premise that "humans struggle so hard to be spiritual" but even if I did, how would longing to be spiritual negate a valid human emotion?

Any 'change' for the world you envision that does not incorporate and accept all of humanities positives and negatives is doomed to fail.

For the first time in his life, Tucker is correct. Hill has been pissing and moaning about her press coverage, the way the 'boys' gang up on her, and god knows what else. Is this going to be her strategy in the general election?

"Oh, those awful Republicans are being so mean to me." Then, of course, the waterworks will start; and, in a moment of long awaited truthfulness, the Freudian slip will occur: "Please, oh please, don't give me the speeding ticket."

She's just another stupid chick who thinks she deserves to be Queen for All Time.

After failing the D.C. bar exam, Hillary moved to Arkansas where she took a job at the school where Bill worked; she was able to pass the Arkansas Bar Exam; when Bill became Attorney General, Hillary was hired on with the most prestigious corporate firm in the state; only two years later,when Bill became Governor, Hillary was made partner in the firm. Yeah, poor girl.

BTW, Carlson is a jerk.

Filthy Harry @ 63:

No, hate is an emotion. That is it. it is one of the many emotions we have available to us.

Actually, there are only six basic emotions, so I wouldn't say "many."

And, guess what.

Hate isn't one of them.

Although I suppose you could try to argue that hate is some combination of fear, anger, and disgust, if you're in the mood to correct yourself.

angelina @ 61:

Ask any woman who is 50 or older. We can tell you some stories about incredibly stupid attitudes and actions. I don't think Tucker knows any women except his mother. Obviously, research is beyond his abilities. He must get on his knees every night and thank God for right wing welfare.

I believe you.I don't mean to suggest that you are 50 or older but I personally turn 50 this year and well remember the patronizing and abusive way in which women were treated back in the day.Mt dad was in the forces and treated us all like fresh recruits-my mother did what she was told.He's dead now,and she has slowly gained some semblance of independence.I don't really blame my dad for who he was.He was simply a product of another unenlightened time.The last 40 years have changed EVERYTHING in ways that are genuinely hard to explain to younger people.What I HATE to see is the kind of back sliding between the sexes that gives the chest thumping male the upper hand.The caveman machismo that is so prevalent in Rap for example.I believe that the future depends on achieving a perfect "balance" and symmetry between both the sexes and the races.A balance between enterprise and community.A balance between Science and God.It is perfection we must seek....Grasshopper. ;)

Does the fact that women couldn't even GET INTO Yale (one of America's most prestigious and important schools) before 1969 indicate anything about gender discrimination - no matter how white and rich you are...What a little toady.

And - to address some previous commenters - I like Hillary, I do not want Obama (I actually want John Edwards most of all) and I see just as much negative H. Clinton as any other candidate - if not more....

And, what does her husband being a womanizer have to do with anything? I haven't been married but I know my friend's marriages very well and I know that three of the best ones --- each husband stepped out at least once that I know of - maybe more that I don't know about. The women had a hard time getting over it - one of them finally didn't - but the other two are still with their husbands and they've moved on. I don't judge them - Why would I? Not my marriage.

But obviously being rich and white doesn't hurt in getting in getting onto MSNBC, eh Bow Tie? Douchebag.

JTM @ 66:

Filthy Harry @ 63:

No, hate is an emotion. That is it. it is one of the many emotions we have available to us.

Actually, there are only six basic emotions, so I wouldn't say "many."

And, guess what.

Hate isn't one of them.

Although I suppose you could try to argue that hate is some combination of fear, anger, and disgust, if you're in the mood to correct yourself.

though there are only 5 primary colors, would I be wrong to say that there are many colors?

Well, this is pissing people off 'cause there is just a little ping of reality in it. The great mass of middle class entrants, you know those first or second generation non-Yale college students from the 60s to now, are just a little suspicious of the 'victim' claims of people who are doing a lot better than themselves. Upper middle class women can like it or not. The suspicion is still there. After a lifetime of hearing from people who are clearly better off how you are implicated in the conspiracy to put them down, entrant level middle class men do build up a little resentment and someone like Tucker may be to heavy handed to tap into that resentment, but the resentment is still there. When women say they are voting for Hillary 'cause she is a woman and by-god-its-time they are perhaps not quite aware of what message they are sending to men who didn't start life on 3rd base.

Thursday @ 7:

Heh - women say there's a glass ceiling; but how can they tell when glass is invisible!

Ha! They'll never come up to an answer for that one!

I are so smrt!

um...oh never mind.

His full name is Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson. Yes, that Swanson (Foods). There are few who know more about being "rich" and "white" than Tucker Carlson.

Sorry, Tucker, but she spent more than half her life in the middle class, in the 60s and 70s. That's gender discrimination city.

Why do we keep giving credibility to these stupid assholes. Every time you give this asshole ink, it furthers the idea that his opinion really matters.
I realize "exposing" them for what they really are is important, but doesn't everybody who reads this blog already know that?
How about just linking to a picture of a big fat pile of steaming shit so we know what were dealing with.
Then we can decide if we want to read about it.

Filthy Harry @ 70:

though there are only 5 primary colors, would I be wrong to say that there are many colors?

You mean five plus-or-minus two, right? Since there are only three primary colors.

Anyhoo, no, you'd be doing fine, as I implied above. If you want to argue that hate is a combination of emotions, knock yourself out.

Problem is, you'd still be wrong. Hate has behavioral and cognitive components, as well as affective (i.e., emotional). As such, it is an attitude, not an emotion.

But I really doubt many people want a psych lecture. And I don't want to give one. That's my day job.

Billy Bob @ 71:

Well, this is pissing people off 'cause there is just a little ping of reality in it. The great mass of middle class entrants, you know those first or second generation non-Yale college students from the 60s to now, are just a little suspicious of the 'victim' claims of people who are doing a lot better than themselves. Upper middle class women can like it or not. The suspicion is still there. After a lifetime of hearing from people who are clearly better off how you are implicated in the conspiracy to put them down, entrant level middle class men do build up a little resentment and someone like Tucker may be to heavy handed to tap into that resentment, but the resentment is still there. When women say they are voting for Hillary 'cause she is a woman and by-god-its-time they are perhaps not quite aware of what message they are sending to men who didn't start life on 3rd base.

I don't get your point.What message is sent by voting for rich upper middle class white MEN?Whats the difference?The fact is,women and Blacks have never been in the position they are in this election to elect one of their own.Should folks vote for someone based solely on their demographic?Probably not,but people usually DO vote for reasons of self interest.

Hillary continues to bring up the race and gender card knowing full well that if she characterizes both herself and Barack as victims, she will benefit far greater from women voting for her than blacks voting for Barack.

She will do anything to win, very sad, very selfish. To get American women and blacks to show discrimination in their vote for President is the lowest form of campaigning I can imagine. It's pretty subtle, but has been very effective since she lost Iowa. She and Bill have brought it to the forefront constantly since then. I can't vote for someone I don't respect. I fear the election in November will be between the lesser of two evils. I will refuse to vote for either!

Rich, white, privileged males cannot imagine discrimination of any sort because they have never experienced it themselves.

Who cares what this idiot thinks? He couldn't figure out that bowties look stupid on anyone without a tux until he was in his thirties. He doesn't learn too quickly now, does he?

pinkobait @ 77:

Billy Bob @ 71:

Well, this is pissing people off 'cause there is just a little ping of reality in it. The great mass of middle class entrants, you know those first or second generation non-Yale college students from the 60s to now, are just a little suspicious of the 'victim' claims of people who are doing a lot better than themselves. Upper middle class women can like it or not. The suspicion is still there. After a lifetime of hearing from people who are clearly better off how you are implicated in the conspiracy to put them down, entrant level middle class men do build up a little resentment and someone like Tucker may be to heavy handed to tap into that resentment, but the resentment is still there. When women say they are voting for Hillary 'cause she is a woman and by-god-its-time they are perhaps not quite aware of what message they are sending to men who didn't start life on 3rd base.

I don't get your point.What message is sent by voting for rich upper middle class white MEN?Whats the difference?The fact is,women and Blacks have never been in the position they are in this election to elect one of their own.Should folks vote for someone based solely on their demographic?Probably not,but people usually DO vote for reasons of self interest.

The women victim thing goes well beyond the electoral cycle, that is just rubbing your nose in it. And, while Obama appears to be just as much upper middle class, he dosen't look all that white to me. Edwards makes it clear that he is first generation wealth, just the sort of person that a lot of less successful first generation college students might feel a little identity with. The point is that ANY candidate who is doing a lot better than most people is playing with fire when she or he starts pulling the victim card (any victim card). It has the potential for galling those 'most people.' And then when when other people who have played that same victim card for 10, 20, or 30 years then start going all smarmy and sympathetic for that candidate, they create the potential for a backlash.

is tucker too stoopid to merit a thread? just asking.

poor, Tucker... he's forever condemned to be, well... Tucker.

Isn't that punishment enough?

:D

He forgot "Iron My Shirt"? already?

What a buffoon.

ConcernedCanuck @ 10:

miss_kitty @ 5:

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

Tucker is about as useful as a Bush in the WhiteHouse, but in a chance stroke of luck, he's right........Hillary has never faced anything closely resembling discrimination......although, as a male, I am curious....why does she get the sympathy vote of women? Bill is a wandering womanizer, yet she has done nothing to divorce him ever. I mean why? Because she had dreams of some day being Prez and needed his name, or what is it?

You have it wrong. Hillary isn't getting the sympathy vote. She's getting the respect vote. Women and men are voting for her because she's a fighter. She's a survivor. She's been to hell in a handbasket, and she's still standing. And still, she'll rise, not matter what anyone throws at her.

And there's another thing here that you're missing. Hillary does what's best for her and for her family. She didn't divorce Bill so she could prove to anyone that "she's a feminist." Not all feminists divorce their husbands for infidelity, just as not all macho guys divorce their wives. We - women - people - we do what's best for ourselves, what's best for our families. We rarely have everything perfect. We have to do the best we can with what we have and according to what we want and need. And that is what makes her genuine and it's what makes her strong. She does what she wants to do, what's best for her and for her family, regardless of what others thinks she should do. She neither divorced him to prove some feminst point, nor did she act vulnerable in order to get the sympathy vote, nor did she act like she wasn't hurt at all. She was genuine.

Come now. Hillary getting a "sympathy" vote is nothing but a fairytale. This is one tough woman!

Tucker hasn't a clue what it means to be anything but spoiled. He needs to be manning the grill at McDonald's - but only with supervision. Honestly, the audacity of that asshole to make a judgement call about Hillary's "privilege" is enough to make me gag.

Ah what a Tucker he is. It seems to me his name is misspelled, I’m certain the “T” should replaced by an “F”.

i thought this was just Crooks & Liars, not Crooks, Liars & Baboons...

Can someone at Crooks & Liars please provide some picture examples of a few Tucker faithful watching fans of his show?

I am actually questioning that he may not have any viewers at all. His ratings are office generated by execs that are on a propaganda mission to spread the Right's ideology and financed as a tax loss write off.

Can you show any "real" Tucker fans?

... Americans... I am so glad the world can sit back and watch how you run yourselves into the ground with this silliness... meanwhile the water level seems to be getting closer and closer... I am not sure if your boat floats very well any more ppl! ... some serious repair? I offer my 10 points to do so:

1st. Get rid of Tucker for good please, and all the other idiots that dont help or construct a better society; get them out of the media.
2nd. Elect someone sensible... Kucinich would be top choice, maybe Edwards...
3rd. get to the program. quit giving morons so much attention for being morons. Just expose them if they are crooks and liars, nothing more nothing less. That is why I come here... really.
4th. think before you act.
5th. research before you think.
6th. let go of your cultural baggage and look forward.
7th let those who lag behind learn from their mistakes (trust me, they will)
8th realise the importance of respect and human decency in your laws, society and as individuals and make sure all Americans do so as well.
9th show the world what responsibilities really come with power, or relinquish it to those that can. Don't kid yourselves.
10th be considerate to all around and find happiness in doing so.

The US is sick, since there is a 3rd world attitude in a 1st world economy. The prevailing ideals are backward.
These are the issues I would like C&L to tackle. Good luck!

Filthy Harry @ 63:

chervilant @ 57:

Isn't discrimination merely a polysyllabic word for hate?

We humans struggle so hard to be spiritual. Why then, is it so easy to hate?

We must be the change we wish to see in the world.

No, hate is an emotion. That is it. it is one of the many emotions we have available to us. just as valid as any other. Discrimination is an action. BIG difference. My motto: Hate me all you want, don't hang me from a tree.

I don't accept your premise that "humans struggle so hard to be spiritual" but even if I did, how would longing to be spiritual negate a valid human emotion?

Any 'change' for the world you envision that does not incorporate and accept all of humanities positives and negatives is doomed to fail.

Hate is a personal choice, often grounded in emotions--Fear? Anger? We humans have free will. We can choose not to hate, regardless of our emotions--and, I would never deny the validity of human emotions.

Please don't quote me out of context. I did acknowledge the actionable component of discrimination.

After years of research, Joseph Campbell found two nearly universal components of our world's religions. The one I was thinking about when I wrote my initial comment is the Soul. If you can honestly say that you haven't contemplated the Cosmic Why you exist, then I assert that you, sir, are an anomaly.

Finally, why did you feel compelled to denigrate my comment? Did I step on your spiritual toes, so to speak? I cannot claim authorship of the quote that seems to be goading you--Gandhi said it first. I just happen to agree.

Tucker knows all about discrimination....I'm sure he's experienced it first hand on numerous occasions.He always knows what he's talking about.He should be elected to the funny farm.....with all the other loons who can't stfu.

Tucker, Tucker, Tucker. Not only did Hillary face discrimination when she was young and NOT one of the most powerful individuals in the world, but she is facing discrimination as we speak from the likes of you and the likes of Matthews. Did you already forget his apology for being callous about her gender very recently?

Who gives this doughboy a paycheck? ... for ignorant rants? Go find another country that more suits you, doughboy. You're right, you don't know or understand this country because you are a fleshy white bore of an entitled silver spoon who has never had to work for anything. You should try to find a job where you are neither seen nor heard. You have nothing to offer. bye bye. Someone needs to remove the journalism section from your wykpedia page. You're not a journalist, just another hindrance to getting any real news. bye bye.

I'm sick and tired of AA playing the victim card and for that matter the race card. Watching the debate I heard Obama tell edwards something to the effect that he might get the white mans vote. If that is not racist, what is. But he gets away with it.
If Edwards would've told obama that he might get the black vote only the AA would be having demonstrations. It's racism in reverse. I wish white america should stop feeling guilty about the the past. By the way I heard some pundints say that hispanics may be racist because we don't support obama in general. What a crock of shit. If we were racist we would have supported Richardson just because he is hispanic. We want the best for this for this country. I'm not lumping all the hispanics together.
If white people said they are supporting edwards because he is white AA would be shitting in their pants, but it's ok for them to say that they are voting for obama to give the black man a chance. It does not matter how good the other candidate is.
And I'm not saying that hillary is the best. they didn't turn on hillrary because of any comments she made. But if anyone understands political science you would know that the president is the one that signs the legislation that MLK fought for. If johnson hadn't signed Civil rights would not exist, but he doesn't get credit for it. THAT IS RACISM IN REVERSE.

Blue Lensman @ 58:

chris @ 54:

Amen Tucker, tell it like it is brother!

chris, why am I not surprised?

Because somewhere back deep in your lefty brain you know I'm right....

chris @ 94:

Blue Lensman @ 58:

chris @ 54:

Amen Tucker, tell it like it is brother!

chris, why am I not surprised?

Because somewhere back deep in your lefty brain you know I'm right....

Sure, Tucker told it like it is on Cross Fire and John Stewart helped get that rag off the air.

theres more than enough women to support her Canuk, now go back to your frozen out house and fish for your dinner.

If'n we need any more shit out of you we'll just rattle the toilet hanger

Tucker is the afterbirth of Crap-0-lie-ly, how in the world did the good doctor think he was doing the matriarch (O-lLie-ly) a favor by slapping this sucker to life, it would have been best to let it live perpetually in a petri-dish where it originated.

YANK THIS DOCTORS LICENSE.

So the rich ivy league fratboys hate the rich ivy league nerdy girl.

Exactly what does this recreation of a ritzy boarding school squabble have to do with the rest of us 300 million some Americans who actually have to walk into a grocery store ourselves to buy our evening meals?

THANKYOU MSM, for turning the election into either a

1) lameass sporting event (for the guys)

OR

2) some kind of he-said she-said gawd awful soap opera (for the girls)

Go fuck yourselves, every last goddamn one of you. (yeah you too Keith Olbermann, I guess fame and fortune finally got to you.)

Just look at this country folks and then look at all these little trashy ass holes like tucker, Shaun Hannity and all the rest of this sleaze, called American media in their continued efforts to give some kind of credibility to any one of these disgusting Republicans, who want to continue destroying this country.

Now I know that people cannot be as stupid as they are making many of us look with this on going race game they are playing.

It should be clear to all watching the debates last night, that Senator Obama had little or no choice at all but to come out and defend his record against both of his opponents and there is nothing wrong with questioning any of them on their records, but to out and out lie and spread false information for the purpose of winning is just vile and disgusting to say the least.

Any of us that took the time to listen to the clip of exactly what Senator Obama really said on the issue of the impact that President Regan made in this country, knows full well that he was not making that statement in praise of this man or the republican party at all and yet President Clinton, a man whom I and many other Americans have held in the highest of esteem, many times when many others did not. Simply and completely spewed false information in his desperate efforts to support his wife's candidacy.

The issue of yet another very bad decision in judgment by Senator Clinton in voting for the Bankruptcy bill that is was clearly very devastating to the citizens of this country and I know as all of us that engage in regular political arguments, as we listen to Air America and our wonderful blogg sites, contact our Congress members, begging them to do the right thing on these issues that are clearly major plays by the corporations that have controlled this country to the point we are now in a recession. she had to know it was the wrong thing to do, yet again she made a very serious judgment call as she did with the lead up to the war. This is fair game folks and media is not going to call it for us so we have to be smart enough to investigate this critical information on our own.
Like her vote to give President Bush the go on the illegal war in Iraq, which she now claims, that if she knew then what she now knows, she would not have voted for it.

With this bankruptcy bill, she now claims,that she mistakenly voted for it and is somehow glad it did not come into play. Folks, none of these people are asking her why would you vote for a bill that controversial in the first place?, It's not like you did not know it would be devastating to the American people. if you know it is a bad bill to vote for, then don't vote for it in the first place.

She is voting on these bad policies over and over and then claiming to be ready on day one to lead this country. Bull shit

In fairness Senator Obama has not always made decisions I agree with either, however he has been more focused on issues that are highly controversal and clearly damaging to the citizens of this country and more important, will listen to our views before finalizing them.

She did the right thing to question Senator Obama on his voting patterns, because it would concern American people of why he would vote like he did on a bill that would be dangerous to the well being of women in this country, but if she is going to do that, she needs to kick her aids that ran this information down for selling her bogus information. She looked real bad on this one. (I'm sure someone got fired on this one, I know I would)

Senator Obama's bid for the office of the presidency has been clearly damaged, by not just the cheap attempts of distorting his record by the Clinton machine, but also his own Black constituents as we are all witnessing, every single day in this rotten media, who are so dame scared of this man, it is pathetic.

All this crap is being force fead to us for a reason folks and we cannot be so stupid to let these people play us out of pocket again. I cannot believe this shit.

They are not scared of Senator Clinton at all and why should they be with the goods they have on her and President Clinton, but you can take one thing to the bank and that is, they are terrified of Senator Obama and they have every reason to be.

It is hard to keep from vomiting, when you think of sending one of these bigots to the White House.

However if we continue allowing them to tear us down and destroy us with this new version of a race food fight. That is exactly what this country will get.

This national media have a reason to not go after the Clinton dynasty, because she is one of the only candidates they can and will beat in a national election, because she is one of the only candidates that harbors so much dislike and hate, from both parties.

Some people may not like Senator's Obama or Edwards, but I never hear of out and out hate or discuss for them like is the case for Senator Clinton and the campaign she is currently running is adding to her treasurer chest of hate mongers, that is clearly not going to be in the best interest of the democratic party or this country.

We really have to learn how to disregard these bogus polls, they continue to feed us and go with much of what we know and that we have accomplished on our own in the liberal media and our bloggs, because they are going to overload us with the current shit they feed us and if we do not pay attention to the fine print, they will win again.

Wow!!
Tucker gets more stupid all the time.

It's great to see a conservative tout pulling one self up from their bootstraps, only to reward them for becoming successful. ;-)

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Ummm...

Women don't experience descrimination?

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I'll give Tucker his argument.
Yes (s)Hillary has lead a privileged life...
But I haven't lived in her shoes enough to know if she personally has experienced discrimination.
However, I don't need to go around in heels like the DRAG QUEEN of 9/11 to know that women do experience discrimination.

Keep laughing you Tucker

Tucker isn't intelligent enough to come up with any good lies.

Tucker Carlson is truly one of punditry land's biggest idiots. Why these people get platforms to express their retarded opinions is beyond me. They certainly add nothing to the political discourse. Right wingers just seem to have issues with powerful women in general.

PUTZ!

"tucker tuesday" sounds like a special at the gay bar

why is this moron still on television, why are you people still watching him, and why in God's name are you promoting him by putting his moronic stunts on this blog?

I'm just taking it that Tucker and the others are there to balance Keith Olbermann. But it's an opinion thing... Though... C'MON.. more people slam on Hillary 'before' she went for the senate. And so many people saying they dislike her for being her -- not to be confused for being herself.. but simply because she exist.

I see a lot of discrimination for Hillary...It's kind of funny the black man got a big pass.

As much as I can't stand the Clintons, you don't have to have much in the way of brains to understand the "good old boys club" and how your success can be limited by it. I have a friend who is a surgeon. She was in the top 10% of a high quality Univ. California System medical school.

For her, it was:

1. Harder to get a job.
2. Got a job at less pay.
3. And is routinely, despite formidable skills, not invited in as a second surgeon on complex operations.

Sure, she makes about $500K per year. But her contemporaries make a million.

And that's how it works. You don't get to be CEO. You don't get to be Chief of Surgery. You have to work twice as hard and fight twice as long to get equal billing.

And while it's better today than in my mother's time, where gender meant you weren't even allows on the playing field. In High School she was the only 4.0 student in her small high school and two less qualified boys with a 3.7 and a 3.6 GPA were selected as Valedictorian & Salutorian because the school board policy set them as "male only" awards. A misguided policy based on "traditional Christan roles" were "boys go to college, girls have babies."

So, those of you who are too fucking stupid and arrogant to believe that Hillary has suffered discrimination because of her gender, think again. Hell, we've seen in just in the political coverage of this election by the likes of Chris Matthews and Fox News. Only made more obvious in your idiotic, self-righteous attitudes that you somehow fucking know what Hillary has suffered.

I am a straight, White Protestant Male. Back in 1966 I was talking to 2 people, one Black and the other Jewish. 3 years earlier, I lived in Switzerland. I experienced discrimination and prejudice because I was an American. The other talked about how they experienced prejudice. I started to say "I experienced prejudice ...' when the Black person cut me off and said "How couly you, a Male Wasp, know what it's like to experience prejudice?" then walked away before I could answer him.

Puhleeeez. When Tucker is put on the bus out of town, make sure that Lanny Lieberman is handcuffed to him.

Since when has Tucker experienced life as a woman? "Of my two "handicaps" being female put more obstacles in my path than being black" - the late, great Representative Shirley Chisholm.

I witnessed both Senator Obama's entire speech and debate and Today's Show portrayal of Obama's statement this a.m. shows how the media distort information. Meredith Vieira and The Today's Show appear unreliable and uncredible in providing the facts and distributing accurate information and this may be part of the reason our world is so twisted. I will not watch the Today's Show MSNBC again.

Oh, STFU Tucker. WTF do YOU know about it anyway?

Former President Clinton may be liked by a lot of African Americans but he is in no way Black. To suggest that former President Clinton is an African American is an insult. What are they trying to say because he smoked marijuana, had oral sex in The White House, lied about it on National T.V. until evidence was produced, and was kicked out of office is representative of being African American. No thanks, Bill Clinton is white therefore you keep him.

Robt @ 87:

Can someone at Crooks & Liars please provide some picture examples of a few Tucker faithful watching fans of his show?

I am actually questioning that he may not have any viewers at all. His ratings are office generated by execs that are on a propaganda mission to spread the Right's ideology and financed as a tax loss write off.

Can you show any "real" Tucker fans?

Carlson could reach a bigger audience if he went into Manhattan office and then opened a window and started yelling out of it...........

A Concerned African American @ 116:

Former President Clinton may be liked by a lot of African Americans but he is in no way Black. To suggest that former President Clinton is an African American is an insult. What are they trying to say because he smoked marijuana, had oral sex in The White House, lied about it on National T.V. until evidence was produced, and was kicked out of office is representative of being African American. No thanks, Bill Clinton is white therefore you keep him.

Obama didn't exactly further your cause by claiming he'd have to check out Bill's dancing skills before certifying that he's a 'brother' ...........

Senator Hillary Clinton do not have any more experience than Senator Obama. Crawling on and Climbing up on a President in the White House does not Constitute political experience. The sexual experience she was getting wasn't even good enough or Bill wouldn't have taken advantage of an intern (-:

Why is anyone surprised? Why would Carlson believe that any woman, never mind Hillary, is ever a target of gender discrimination? He is a conservative white male, after all -- he even used to affect a bow tie, for crying out loud! Let's remember that the conservative point of view tends to be self-centered, sometimes to the extreme of total self-absorption. By and large, if a conservative doesn't have any direct experience with such-and-such, then it can't possibly be a genuine problem for anyone else either because to admit that there could be a problem raises the spectre of what to do about it -- and doing something about it would probably mean moving out of his/her comfort zone and (*gasp!*) giving up certain expectations to which they tend to take for granted or to which they perceive themselves as entitled. You can see this same attitude reflected in their attitudes toward the economy -- as long as everything is going well for them and theirs, everything's A-OK and nobody else really has any excuse for complaining.

Wow Tucker, what a discriminatory statement you made about her not being discriminated against...

MORAN

Bottom line kiddies, she is kicking obamalamadingdongs AS* in spite of dickless weasels like Pucker Carlson the nonwatched yipping attack chihuahua of the right. Lanny Davis does a pretty good job here of making Pucker look like the fool he is. The obamazoids posting here are doing a pretty good job of showing why Senator Clinton is hammering obamalamadingdong's Rezko lovin butt as soundly as she is.

McMetal, Senator Obama didnot have to answer what was obvious even to a blind man.

A woman who knows @ 124:

McMetal, Senator Obama didnot have to answer what was obvious even to a blind man.

But he did choose to answer ; I realize that most everyone here can understand the ridiculousness of the question and subtlety of his response.

Do you believe the majority of Americans can ?

The same Americans that voted for a retard based upon the worthiness of having a beer with him ?

Hillary is not discriminated against. Her dirty laundry is just out in the public for the public to talk about.

Every time I hear Tucker speak, it reminds me of the yapping sound that Dino, the cartoon dog from "The Flintstones", makes.

jwf @ 127:

Every time I hear Tucker speak, it reminds me of the yapping sound that Dino, the cartoon dog from "The Flintstones", makes.

Hey that is no ordinary cartoon dog on the Flintstones.

That was Adam and Eve's ride to the Garden of Eden ; Mike Gomer Pyle Huckleberry says so ............

The ones who should really be ashame is all who voted for President Bush. His purpose of becoming a president was to still oil and head to Iraq. There are oil mines in Texas, and all along the coast of California etc... but he needed to finish his daddy's business and everyone knows it.

The reason Obama is #1 because Bush Lies, the Clinton's lie and owe everybody from lobbist to interns.

MCMetal @ 128:

jwf @ 127:

Every time I hear Tucker speak, it reminds me of the yapping sound that Dino, the cartoon dog from "The Flintstones", makes.

Hey that is no ordinary cartoon dog on the Flintstones.

That was Adam and Eve's ride to the Garden of Eden ; Mike Gomer Pyle Huckleb says so ............

Love to see the republics nominate Huckleberry. A holy roller with a son who is trying to emulate Michael Vick's off the field behavior.

MSNBC is loaded with angry white guys that want to keep women in their place, anybody catch Morning Joe this morning? It was a "we hate Hillary" show... Sexism is now much more of a problem than raceism.... What do they have against equal?

MSNBC , sans Keith Olbermann , is a cesspool.........

I was just flipping through the channels , and caught Joe Scaborough ; he had on as a "guest" , Larry Kudlow , after BS'ing with Mike Huckleberry (for about the 10,000th time).

This Kudlow putz was prattling on about the Dow Jones and the US economy.

Here's that idiot's partial bio : He opposes estate taxes, as well as taxes on dividends and capital gains. Kudlow advocates that employees be compelled to make greater contributions to their pension and medical costs, suggesting that these expenses are an undue burden on corporations. Kudlow defends high executive compensation as a manifestation of market forces and opposes most forms of government regulation. He believes that reducing taxes will increase governmental revenue through expansion of the overall economy. In general, he supports smaller government that interferes less and citizens who take more individual responsibility.

Working for someone means they shouldn't be liable for your medical coverage and/or retirement ?

What the hell is with these Cancervative schmucks ?

Bystander @ 131:

MSNBC is loaded with angry white guys that want to keep women in their place, anybody catch Morning Joe this morning? It was a "we hate Hillary" show... Sexism is now much more of a problem than raceism.... What do they have against equal?

Hell yeah , check my post above.......

A woman who knows @ 129:

The ones who should really be ashame is all who voted for President Bush. His purpose of becoming a president was to still oil and head to Iraq. There are oil mines in Texas, and all along the coast of California etc... but he needed to finish his daddy's business and everyone knows it.

The reason Obama is #1 because Bush Lies, the Clinton's lie and owe everybody from lobbist to interns.

I'm sorry to inform you , that just because you and I , and most everyone here knows what Chimpy is all about , doesn't mean everyone in the US does ; check out the 20%'ers and their stupid insistence on still backing the retarded simian.......

Think they're willing to vote for anyone other than the loser GOP nominee ?

IdahoMoe @ 13:

ConcernedCanuck @ 10:

miss_kitty @ 5:

How would a spoiled rich white boy know this. He's not a chick.

Sheesh. Tucker=thick as pig's shit

Tucker is about as useful as a Bush in the WhiteHouse, but in a chance stroke of luck, he's right........Hillary has never faced anything closely resembling discrimination......although, as a male, I am curious....why does she get the sympathy vote of women? Bill is a wandering womanizer, yet she has done nothing to divorce him ever. I mean why? Because she had dreams of some day being Prez and needed his name, or what is it?

Maybe she forgave him.

Over and over and over again? I mean just his public affairs can't be counted on two hands cuz there are not enough fingers.

so in an attempt to discredit tucker you say are saying that Hillary is not a white, rich female that has lead a priviliged life?

Let's be honest, she may have faced discrimination but haven't we all in some form. Hillary is hardly a victim.

donviti @ 136:

so in an attempt to discredit tucker you say are saying that Hillary is not a white, rich female that has lead a priviliged life?

Let's be honest, she may have faced discrimination but haven't we all in some form. Hillary is hardly a victim.

Yeah , but I have a tremendous problem/issue with someone who has never faced any hardship like Fucker Carlson , attempting to claim that ..............

That's akin to Chimpy claiming someone has lived a privileged life.............

I guess rich white people slamming rich white people is hardly Crooks and Liars worthy. Just because she is a dem doesn't mean she gets a free pass. What her and her husband have done to push Obama's "blackness" front and center is horrible.

Putz or not I sort of agree that Hillary is hardly a victim we should pitty.

donviti @ 136:

so in an attempt to discredit tucker you say are saying that Hillary is not a white, rich female that has lead a priviliged life?

Let's be honest, she may have faced discrimination but haven't we all in some form. Hillary is hardly a victim.

Hillary did not come from a rich family, she worked through college and had a student loan... The Clintons were not rich when they were in the Whitehouse, they lived on their salary, they became rich when they wrote their books....

Bystander @ 139:

donviti @ 136:

so in an attempt to discredit tucker you say are saying that Hillary is not a white, rich female that has lead a priviliged life?

Let's be honest, she may have faced discrimination but haven't we all in some form. Hillary is hardly a victim.

Hillary did not come from a rich family, she worked through college and had a student loan... The Clintons were not rich when they were in the Whitehouse, they lived on their salary, they became rich when they wrote their books....

so you are saying Hillary is a victim? Look all I'm saying is this post smells of feigned disgust over something Tucker said is all. I don't like Tucker he is a putz, but I mean come on Hillary a victim? Sure she had a student loans, but Yale? Board of Walmart? What are you talking about she lived on her salary in the Whitehouse?

Unfortunately, the moron is half right. Hillary's faced more sexism in the past 2 weeks (from the media) than in her whole life.

Steve Charb @ 141:

Unfortunately, the moron is half right. Hillary's faced more sexism in the past 2 weeks (from the media) than in her whole life.

am I that moron? woohoo I'm half right! more than my wife gives me credit for!

What a dickhead.

donviti @ 140:

Bystander @ 139:

donviti @ 136:

so in an attempt to discredit tucker you say are saying that Hillary is not a white, rich female that has lead a priviliged life?

Let's be honest, she may have faced discrimination but haven't we all in some form. Hillary is hardly a victim.

Hillary did not come from a rich family, she worked through college and had a student loan... The Clintons were not rich when they were in the Whitehouse, they lived on their salary, they became rich when they wrote their books....

so you are saying Hillary is a victim? Look all I'm saying is this post smells of feigned disgust over something Tucker said is all. I don't like Tucker he is a putz, but I mean come on Hillary a victim? Sure she had a student loans, but Yale? Board of Walmart? What are you talking about she lived on her salary in the Whitehouse?

What I am saying is that the Clinton's had no other source of income except their salary when they were in the Whitehouse... The repugs spent 6 yrs. looking, didn't find none... So she put herself through Yale, pretty impressive... She was on the board at Wal-Mart because Sam Walton was helping with the education program in Arkansas.. Who have you been listening to, the "angry white guys?"....

how would a bunch of white southerners know anything about discrimination or nothern people? well i dont know but without them during the civil rights movement, civil rights might not have happened, or even before that the many many white well off people that fought to end slavery gee duh.

Its amusing when a corporatist/'libertarian' con-servative attacks a woman who grew up a de-facto republican for being 'too rich & white'....

How white is Tucker? Well, son of a wealthy banker & socialite mother (heir to Swanson frozen food fortune), private schooled (through college), from CT (lots of racial diversity there...(cough)). Jobs have been writing for con-servative publications, and subsequently becoming a con-servative talking head who ultimately lost his job to poor ratings & Jon Stewart exposing his lack of integrity. "Tucker" on MSNBC, is consistenly the lowest rated show....yet...its still on the air...hmmm...guess GE feels they need to keep his drivel to 'balance' Olbermann & the 'moderate' (cough) Spitball/'Hardball' Matthews...

So...this isn't the pot calling the kettle....we have to come up with a whole new idiom for this...

Bystander @ 144:

donviti @ 140:

Bystander @ 139:

donviti @ 136:

Hillary did not come from a rich family, she worked through college and had a student loan... The Clintons were not rich when they were in the Whitehouse, they lived on their salary, they became rich when they wrote their books....

so you are saying Hillary is a victim? Look all I'm saying is this post smells of feigned disgust over something Tucker said is all. I don't like Tucker he is a putz, but I mean come on Hillary a victim? Sure she had a student loans, but Yale? Board of Walmart? What are you talking about she lived on her salary in the Whitehouse?

What I am saying is that the Clinton's had no other source of income except their salary when they were in the Whitehouse... The repugs spent 6 yrs. looking, didn't find none... So she put herself through Yale, pretty impressive... She was on the board at Wal-Mart because Sam Walton was helping with the education program in Arkansas.. Who have you been listening to, the "angry white guys?"....

but how does that amount to her being a victim is all I'm saying.?

It takes a lot of guts for someone as dumb as pucker to talk in public, but he does. After looking at the photo of pucker very closely, it appears he has has a very small penis surgicaly attached to the end of his tounge. Anyone else spot this?

What an inane premise - "fucker" carlson should look at his own roots and his leg-up resulting from the wealth of his family before damning others who happen to be in the same boat.

And why the hell is he still on a show like his rather than "Celebrity Asshole?" Did his daddy buy him the job?

She didn't claim gender discrimination. She won the debate, why would start leveling complaints? Barack Obama is the whiner. After Hillary lost in Iowa she or her campaign did not start crying fraud, or corruption. She got up in front of her supporters and the cameras and very succinctly stated that she lost because she didn't WORK HARD ENOUGH. She said it was her fault.

Imagine Barack Obama taking the blame for anything! LOL! He's too busy yelling Racism! They're picking on me! I can't tell who I'm running against! Oh, Boo Hoo.

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