BREAKING: Dodd on CSpan Now... FISA Filibuster Coming
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Jan 22, 2008 6:12pmWe're recording it, but you can stream from C-Span
Sen. Chris Dodd is coming out to demand that the retroactive immunity be stripped from the FISA bill, no thanks to Harry Reid. It's a little confusing, but from what I gather this is NOT the filibuster but will lead up to the filibuster tomorrow.
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A democrat who doesn't capitulate? This can't be right.
Way to go, Dodd! Don't back down.
Dodd for Majority Leader SCREW harry reid and bush. How do you make it so Dodd could be majority leader?
Will be interesting to see who backs Dodd.
Thanks.
What's Harry Reid's vested interested in letting this pass?
Finally, a leader.
I posted at kos to Kerry to join Dodd, show some freaking leadership and stop caving here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/16935/0738/503/441894
The filibuster will come with the motion to proceed to the bill or the vote on the motion to proceed to actually vote on the legislation - that will be tomorrow.
Chris Dodd, you rock.
Go Chris Go. I'm happy someone out there is fighting for our rights. Or another way of putting it. I'm glad someone in DC is doing what they are getting paid for.
During the holiday break, I had the opportunity to ask Senator Feingold how we could be facing this situation in a Democratic controlled congress. He said that unfortunately, most Democratic Senators would rather just get this behind them. But if enough people contacted them to let them know that support for telecom immunity would NOT be forgotten, they would pay attention.
That's sad, I know; Democrats in congress should make law-breaking telecoms accountable without our input. But that's just not going to work.
It's time to call. Call Reid, call both your Senators, and call Dodd with your support.
800-828-0498, 800-459-1887, 800-614-2803, 888-597-0909, or 866-340-9281
They're all toll-free to the Capitol switchboard; just ask for the office you want and tell them you WON'T forget what they do on this issue. We are not above the law and neither are telecoms.
I challenge everyone reading this post to call your representatives and demand they support Chris Dodd's Filibuster. Save the 4th Amendment. WE CAN WIN THIS ONE!!
I will make 20+ calls. I challenge everyone to do the same. You've got the time. The call is FREE
1 (800) 828 - 0498 1 (800) 459 - 1887 1 (800) 614 - 2803 1 (866) 340 - 9281 1 (866) 338 - 1015 1 (877) 851 - 6437
Just ask the operator to connect you to your rep.
Thank you, Senator Dodd. And thanks to your constituency for voting in a principled citizen.
Is Dodd going to bring up Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment against BUSH and CHENEY?
Wexler and many more each day are coming on board, we THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, demand ACCOUNTABILITY for HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS! Including violating FISA eight months PRIOR to 9.11.
Justice will have it's day, and war crimes tribunals are coming....
Way to go Dodd!
It will be interesting to see who is supporting him.
Hillary nor Barack supported Dodd during his first Senate debate on this matter. Where are they now? It's obvious Bush has blackmailed Reid, Leahy, and Feinstein in supporting this madness. I guess those wiretaps are very useful for other things besides anti-terrorist purposes.
I challenge the Hillary and Barack supporters to get on the PHONE and DEMAND they return to Washington and support Chris Dodd in his FILIBUSTER.
If Barack and Hillary join the media will follow them and report this story. Remember in December there was a TOTAL MEDIA BLACKOUT. We cannot let that happen again. We must MAKE the media let Americans know that they're about to lose the 4th amendment!
Again, Hillary and Barack supporters, let your candidate know that this is a good strategy to win votes! We want to SEE leadership from them. This could decide the Presidency. So if you want your candidate to win DEMAND they return to Washington and support Chris Dodd!
1-800-828-0498
white house operator, ask to connect to your Senator
Let's just hope the Senator doesn't receive a few very large campaign contributions from the telecoms before the filibuster tomorrow. A big enough check just may change his mind. Just ask Dianne Feinstein.
so why didnt anyone vote for Dodd? Too "angry"? Too much integrity? Too much experience? Or maybe noone knows who he the hell Dodd is?
good though hes not tied up by silly campaign circus and have time to protect the constitution
Harry Reid should step down if he's not up to the task...
They need to Filibuster the $696 billion war funding bill they just handed to Bush Tuesday.
We Missed Our Chance
With the cheap fighting going on between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, watching the endless dedication of Chris Dodd tells me we may be picking the wrong candidate for the Democratic ticket.
Having had to pull out of the race for president, Dodd wasted no time going back to do important work that matters. From day "one" after his bid for president, this man has been working not crying or stirring up crap. I say bring him back for a second look. We can count on him to at least work hard for the people.
Dodd proves when you look at the whole person, there is a fullness associated with them that is often overlooked. The hype machine of media is only interested in sensational content. Dodd's dedication also tells me we should be sending a message to the media we want to see our presidential candidates in a full perspective and not a spun one.
Joseph
how fitting that the neocon troll cheney appeared just after Dodd's comments....talking about EXPANDING FISA????
GIVE ME A FRICKING BREAK, Arrest that traitorous war criminal neocon PNAC bushite Cheney for high crimes and misdemeanors!
I had to turn off the television, he was making me sick.
Tim @ 7:
he gets a pass on getting anthraxed?
Dodd rocks!
where on cspan is this ??- I am not finding the link to Dodd and the fisa stuff. thanks for the help!
Site Monitor: It's over now.
[Hey nutbush-I AM picturing you rolling. I've looked at your comments for the past few days, and they're all about as off topic as this one. Knock it off-Sitemonitor]
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
I'm with you!
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 24:
Cheney reminded us that Americans should never take their freedom and their civil liberties for granted and they must fight for them...
The whole notion of "retroactive immunity" in this case is embarrassingly transparent.One thing you have to give Bushco-they lack nothing in the "brazenly dishonest" department.
We seriously need to be rid of Harry Reid.
Tim @ 7:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Cudos to Chris Dodd... Your presidential campaign may have faltered sir, but from what I've seen so far.. You definitely have the 'right stuff' to stand up to this crap excuse for an American president and his feckless, most probably, nearly totally corrupt administration. Here's hoping some of those other spineless dems will line up behind you, putting there money where their mouths are and put an end to this phony ass get out of jail free retroactive bullshit offered up to the telcoms by Bushco for their personal involvement in this specific Bush mendacity and crimes against the American public for no reason other then political vendetta and paranoia. That doesn't cut in my book any more than Nixon's enemies list did back in the day. I'm convinced none of this had a goddamned thing to do with terrorism though that issue made for a good smokescreen.. Motherfuckers! I say sue the telcoms into the freekin ground and jail all the execs.. Assholes should have known better than to spy on American citizens with no known ties to anyone even remotely connected to any overseas person or persons. That was nothing more than sucking up to Bush in order to get over on controlling the internet later....JD
Sen. Dodd, the only senator with a spine, although looks like Wexler is trying to grow a backbone bit by bit. ;)
galmud @ 30:
you can read more on the englightenment behind dick's motives at the link below
Cheney On Telecom Immunity
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/172731/046/475/441930
I've now posted notices on eleven messageboards asking people to call their Senators and support Chris Dodd's filibuster along with the 800 phone number.
If I can post on eleven boards everyone here can post a message on at least one other board. Your hometown newspaper messageboard is a great place to post.
We must overwhelm Washington tomorrow with calls, faxes and emails.
Save the 4th amendment!
Jo @ 33:
Bingo, follow the money people, first lesson of politics. The telecoms own his useless ass.
I can't wait to see who IF any of the Dem candidates back Dodd.
If you look up to see who takes the most money from big Telecoms you'll find Pelosi top 5, Reid top 20, Fienstein top 25. Telling huh?
bradda @ 40:
you bet!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dodd should be Majority Leader.
Dodd should be Vice president. Give him two roles, so he can go clean up the Senate too!
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 36:
I had to laugh when I read "dick’s motives"... It speaks for itself.
I know, juvenile of me. You're right.
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 36:
galmud @ 30:
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 24:
how fitting that the neocon troll cheney appeared just after Dodd’s comments….talking about EXPANDING FISA????
GIVE ME A FRICKING BREAK, Arrest that traitorous war criminal neocon PNAC bushite Cheney for high crimes and misdemeanors!
I had to turn off the television, he was making me sick.
Cheney reminded us that Americans should never take their freedom and their civil liberties for granted and they must fight for them…
you can read more on the englightenment behind dick’s motives at the link below
Cheney On Telecom Immunity
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....475/441930
I had to laugh when I read “dick’s motives”… It speaks for itself.
I know, juvenile of me. You’re right.
I trust both of you and also everyone has signed Henry Wexler's petition calling for hearings into Impeachment for Cheney.
if you haven't watched it yet, check out the PBS program on Cheney's manipulation of presidential powers over the past 30 years!
Program Details and Schedule can be found at;
PBS Frontline Homepage
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
Cheney's Law
Oct. 16, 2007 at 9pm
For three decades, Vice President Dick Cheney has waged a secretive and often bitter battle to expand the power of the presidency. Now in a direct confrontation with Congress, as the administration asserts executive privilege to head off investigations into domestic wiretapping and the firing of U.S. attorneys, FRONTLINE meticulously traces the behind-closed-doors battle within the administration over presidential power and the rule of law. (more »)
Watch preview - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/promos/2601.html
(download Frontline programs online)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/
HuffingtonPost Review of Cheney's Law
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/cheneys-law_b_69239.html
I got chills up and down my spine when I saw this
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/view/
Slippery Slope @ 44:
is dick giveing american the option of revolution ?
Wooo! GO DODD!
and Bill Moyer's Journal discussed the issue mid last year
Bill Moyers Journal for July 13, 2007
On July 13, 2007 Bill Moyers talked with Bruce Fein and John Nichols on the subject of impeachment. What a good program this was! It it available on streaming video and transcript form on Bill Moyer’s website.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
video
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/watch.html
there is so much more, but this is primarily what pertains to cheney and the illegality of violating the United States Constitution.
Dodd should invite Bruce Fein and John Nichols to be at his side on the Congressional Floor when he challenges the White Houses Assertion that we, the American people, should forgive the telecom companies and the bush administration for breaking the law during the entire lenght of their administration.
I say bring on the impeachment hearings, hold the officials who refuse to testify in contempt of congress and lock them up if necessary, and get to the bottom of all the bush scandals this corrupt lying neocon PNAC pack of war mongering traitors have treasonously committed against our country and then try them for War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity, just like their predecessor the Nazi's!
Frank @ 4:
You replace the 25 Rockefeller Dem Senators with more Kennedy Dem Senators. Easy!
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 52:
Yes, well, same problem.
Sign Congressman Wexer's petition to start impeachment hearings. From the ground up we will take back our country.
bradda @ 39:
Where's Kennedy?
Joseph @ 23:
You guys are just now figuring that out!?? As Jon Stewart would say, "we're in bad shape, fellas." My mom always told me, "You CAN'T build a reputation on what you're going to do." Here's Dodd, a doer, competing against people who tell you what they're going to do, which is either the opposite of what they've done in the past, or they just don't have a record of doing that much. The fact that Obama wasn't there to oppose telecom immunity, he just said he was with Dodd, the fact that Obama wasn't there to vote against Kyl-LIEberman, what does that say? To me, it says he's a talker, not a doer. I think all you Obama supporters should call up his offices tomorrow morning and tell them you're tired of hoping he's going to do something about telecom amnesty and you want to see him actually get his ass back to DC and filibuster!!! What the hell is he worried about? The Reich, lead by Fuhrer Wilhem O'Reilly is already falsely calling him a Muslim terrorist. Besides, he needs Democrat votes to win the nomination, and standing up to the neoCONmen would definitely get him some votes. It sure would be great though if people started supporting Dodd and was able to get back in and get the nomination.
Daniel @ 56:
I'll call Harkin.
If Reid wasn't such a sorry excuse for a "leader", he would have introduced the other version of FISA, without telecom immunity.
Instead he's just another self-infatuated Joe out to protect his own position and listen to the whiners who are getting paid off by the telecoms.
Otay @ 59:
So in other words he's like the overwhelming majority of Congress?
Amen on the Dodd comment, by the way. He is one of the few "leaders" in congress right now.
Chris @ 60:
Absolutely. You got it.
But there are a few, like one out of a 100, worthy to be called sterling.
The majority of congress just does the right thing when it's easy. As soon as there is any friction, loss of coporate money, or loss of time off, it's "Whoa! That's too much of a sacrifice."
Pelosi is capitulating by introducing an amendment that would leave the immunity decision up to the FISA courts. This is unnacceptable.
Sorry I meant Feinstein is the one indroducing the amendment.
Feinstein eats shit, as do Reid and Pelosi.
Otay @ 59:
He allowed both bills to go forward.
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Kinda makes you wonder whether they will act to stop retroactive immunity, don't it?
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 66:
On topic to this thread, buddy, Pelosi has blocked any profer of immunity in the House the whole damn time, and the rest of the leadership (DLC) has also refused any such offer.
Your scapegoating is noted.
show harry how to do his job
Che's Lounge @ 64:
No she didn't. I haven't read the manager's amendment yet (if you have a link, post it), but this is the only relevant paragraph in the summary on the Speaker's site:
"Establishes criteria for the FISA Court to determine whether the targeting procedures for ensuring that surveillance is reasonably designed to target only people outside the United States sufficiently protect U.S. person communications intercepted by the NSA."
There is NO profer of retroactive immunity from the House, which is the issue.
Dodd may filibuster, but I have a feeling it won't last long. He's doing it more to gain the support of people like those that read this site than those he actually works with. He can get away with that because of the amount of seniority he has, but I'll be surprised if he maintains a 40-vote bloc of Senators to sustain the filibuster. The Senate is a great place to stall anything, but even there, a one-man stand isn't going to do anything.
You ask why there's been such silence from the Democratic candidates, and most other Democratic Senators, including Harry Reid, on this issue? You can chalk it up to campaign contributions if you want, but most of those Democratic Senators aren't seriously threatened. (Very few are even up for reelection this fall and the rest would have more than enough time to let the memories of this fight fade before 2010 or later.) The answer you don't want to hear is that most Senators, regardless of party affiliation, don't think the telecom companies have done anything worth exposure to massive private lawsuits. They were presented with a government request for cooperation. What do you think would have happened to any who refused? Were they supposed to turn their own lawyers (specializing in media, communications, and regulatory law, most likely) into constitutional law scholars, or shell out millions to hire outside counsel, and gotten into a protracted and expensive fight against the Justice Department, likely in front of a federal district judge who might well have been sympathetic to the DoJ? Never mind all the bad publicity that they'd have faced from the GOP and its affiliated organizations' and publications' attack machine as the telecom company/companies thwarting terrorism investigations, possibly even disclosing classified secrets about the program, itself independently a federal crime if they were to lose in court? Can you blame them for being a little bit risk averse? If they'd lost the argument that the noncooperation and disclosure were constitutionally protected, they might not have been able to just walk away--they could have been facing criminal indictments for obstruction of justice and disclosure of classified information. The constitutional argument would have gone to a Circuit Court of Appeals likely dominated by Bush nominees. Now people are saying that they should face lawsuits for not litigating that to the hilt?
Since when is refusal to wage a losing battle grounds for tort liability?
I e'd Reid today. Sheesh. What terrible policy, to support the passage of this bill. Listening Senator Reid?
Mr. Dodd ,
Right the f**k on , you said you would keep fighting and I know you will . Perhaps its time for us old farts to go to war , so younger Amercians can live their lives , and heal our country .
Gramayre:
Qwest said no. Although they got their CEO on insider trading, I bet business has never been better for Qwest, since many people switched their service to the company that didn't spy.
Unfortunately, they don't serve the East Coast.
what would it take to strip reid of his majority leader position and install an actual democrat?
monie @ 75:
The CEO of Qwest said no. HE WAS FIRED, over an insider trading scandal that suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
And now Qwest is just like every other telecom -- doing the dirt for Bushco under a secret executive order, don't kid yourselves.
sassafra @ 76:
Electing better Senators.
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IMMUNITY = WARRANTLESS
Since when is warrantless... CONSTITUTIONALLY LEGAL?
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From the Senator's website today:
As the Senate today prepares to consider, for the second time, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) reform legislation that would grant immunity to telecommunications companies who cooperated with the Bush administration’s secret wiretapping program, Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) made the following remarks:
“Few things are more detrimental to this country than the erosion of and attack on the civil liberties we enjoy. This isn’t a Democratic issue or a Republican issue; this is an American issue. If after debate, the Senate appears ready to pass legislation granting telecom providers retroactive immunity I will use any and all legislative tools at my disposal, including a filibuster, to prevent this deeply flawed bill from becoming law. More and more, Americans are rejecting the false choice that has come to define this administration: security or liberty, but never, ever both. For all those who have stood with me throughout this fight, I pledge, once more, to stand up for you.”
Obamma and Clinton had damn sure better be there to do the right thing.
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are an abysmal failures.
Its 4th and 20, time to punt these fuckers out of office.
Thanks Harry with Friends like you,well you know the Rest.
I wonder if Reid and Pelosi have any idea how much they are Hated
by Members of there own Party. Look's like Harry is working for the GOP.
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