Obama gets more votes than McCain and Huckabee in South Carolina
By John Amato Saturday Jan 26, 2008 3:43pm(correction) Another huge sweeping victory as far as the total number of voters for the Democratic Party in what has become another important election narrative:
In last week's SC GOP primary, McCain and Huckabee (the top 2 finishers), got 147,283 and 132,440 votes respectively. That's a total of 279,723. Obama just pulled down 291,000 by himself.
So the totals are roughly: GOP - 442,918 Dems 530,322
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Republican strategists all over the country must be seeing this and panicking.
That's only true if McCain and Huckabee were the only two GOP candidates in the primary.
Impressive nonetheless
This is good news but I'm going to need to know how many people voted for the other GOP candidates before I celebrate.
George W Bush was the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party. He re-ignited the Democrats. And Senator Obama is young enough to bring out new voters and the younger voters tend to register Democrats.
Hillary Clinton's campaign is in a downwards spiral.
Wow...and you know his shit doesn't stink either.
And Bill Clinton is Satan. Hillary Clinton had sex with Osama Bin Laden.
Jesus FREAKING christ..........
It still doesn’t make sense that the percentages remained almost exact as the votes came in. If there is someone out there tht can explain that to me, I would appreciate it.
Aaron @ 2:
If you look at all the numbers, more voters turned out for the Democratic Primary then the Republican Primary. There were 3 Democrats on the ballot and five Republicans on the ballot. Obama got 55% of vote, Clinton got 27% of vote and Edwards got 18% of the vote.
George W Bush has managed to destroy his own party. Republicans don't know if they should be war candidates or fundamentalist candidates. Bye, bye to the Republics.
Steve @ 6:
From your mouth to God's ear.
Seriously I'd love a candidate that doesn't have all the high negatives of the Clintons. And after Bill's horribly disgusting Jesse Jackson comment I'm so over the two of them.
-factotum
South Carolina is overwhelmingly conservative. They hate Hillary. Racial tensions are so thick in that state you could cut it with a knife so Obama stands and equal chance has Hillary has of going down in flames in the generals. People keep forgetting this was just the Democratic primary and that most of the registered voters in this state are white conservatives. Edwards could possible take SC in the generals but Hillary or Obama? Not likely. Obama (or Hillary) stands as much chance of taking South Carolina in the generals as Strom Thurmond would have of taking Massachusettes.
Aint. Gonna. Happen. Folks.
Happy Sunday Morning! See the Feb 5 polls for SUPER TUESDAY below. I hope Barack enjoyed S. Carolina, because he will probably only win two to four states on Feb. 5th.
Nice of all those Republicans joining the Democrats in South Carolina to give Obama such a sweeping victory. Doesn't mean much with Republican supporters like that because we all know they'll vote for the Repug in November. They just want to have fun with the Democrats. It seems to be working for them quite well.
Hearts!
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Democratic Polls
State Date Clinton Obama Edwards Richardson Kucinich
New Jersey 1/19/08 49 32 10 - 1
New York 1/18/08 51 25 11 - 2
Georgia 1/22/08 35 41 13 - -
California 1/17/08 43 28 11 - 5
Arizona 1/22/08 37 27 15 - 2
Alabama 1/23/08 43 28 16 - -
Connecticut 1/13/08 41 27 9 - -
Oklahoma 1/12/08 45 19 25 - -
Colorado 9/14/07 29 23 23 5 3
Illinois 1/23/08 22 51 15 - 2
Utah 2/11/07 31 18 9 1 1
Missouri 1/23/08 44 31 18 - 1
New Mexico 9/5/07 17 8 8 44 -
Arkansas 12/14/07 57 17 14 1 -
Delaware 10/6/07 41 17 7 - -
Idaho 7/12/07 31 33 15 - -
Minnesota 9/21/07 47 22 16 2 2
Tennessee 1/20/08 34 20 16 - -
McCain 147,283 33%
Huckabee 132,440 30%
Thompson 69,467 16%
Romney 67,132 15%
Paul 16,054 4%
Giuliani 9,494 2%
Hunter 1,048 0%
IMHO unless the votes for Thompson and Hunter were the result of absentee ballets or somthing like that about 17% of the state should be allowed to vote.
While impressive, it's a bit misleading as their were more than just two Republican candidates. Still, I noted this when I saw the spread on cnn.com. Even if only half of Hillary's and Edward's voters vote Obama in a general he would easily win against any republican.
The vote in South Carolina proved that the voters are tired of traitor Rove tactics. Americans want to unite and want to feel inspired again.
I don't see what is so special about Obama, someone tell me ? he's blowing the same spiel as your bog standard candidate, what's the appeal ? are black people really voting for him just because he's black ? wtf is that all about ? i suppose it's only like christians voting for Huckabee.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 15:
What a funny little dream you're having...
DISCO INFERNO @ 12:
Kucinich has dropped out and Obama wasn't supposed to win in SC.
+Edwards is going to drop out soon.
Ruthless People @ 11:
Obama won overwhelmingly in a State that still wants to fly the Confederate flag.
"(It looks like we’re back up!) " Cyber Viagra? ;)
Aaron @ 2:
Here are the numbers:
"With 99 percent of precincts reporting, more than 532,000 votes had been tabulated in Barack Obama's commanding victory here. The returns easily eclipsed the 280,000 people who voted in the Democratic primary in 2004.
"Last week, about 446,000 voters took part in the Republican primary, which was nearly 120,000 off the record set by the GOP in 2000."
andy @ 16:
He's not related to a powerful politician, he's not nuts, he has a brain, and he didn't make the mistake of voting for the bill that resulted in Bush's invading Iraq.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 19:
Yeah?...So what? RP is 100% right. Pres. Obama? Not in AmeriKKKa.
I dont see why it's "disgusting" for bill clinton to note that Jesse Jackson won S.C. even though he wasnt a strong national candidate. It's just a nod to the demographics of the state and fair spin for him to use.
Unless of course you just hate clinton and don't mind following the media's "race war" story line. Good lemming, atta boy!
DISCO INFERNO @ 17:
Anything is better then the nightmare that we are living with now, all created by traitors to our Constitution and nation, that would include Karl Rove, George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
I look forward to living this dream. You may remain in the nightmare if that is what you choose to do.
Johnny2Bad @ 23:
Obama won in Iowa.
Iowa is 95% White.
CD @ 22:
He's related to cheney, seriously he is.
He's in AIPACS pocket
He has Zebrignew brezinski as his foreign policy advisor
He voted to fund the war
He voted for the patriot
Cats r Flyfishn @ 19:
A state with the hightest percentage of African Americans than any other state who voted in a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.
Jeesh. Some folks think South Carolina is the next San Francisco over this primary.
Johnny2Bad @ 23:
Peggy Noonan, no relation to Danny, who was Ronald Reagan's speechwriter said that The Codpiece Decider has destroyed the Repudlickin' Party.
David Brooks says he thinks Bush is a Manchurian Candidate sent to destroy everything conservatives hold dear.
The damn is going to break on Bush sometime this summer and he's going to be more of a pariah than OJ Simpson.
-GSD
CD @ 22:
Now, now, lets not shade the truth for Obama's sake. Obama couldnt vote on that issue. 97 senators did though and I dont see anything in Obama to suggest he would have sided with the other 3. He's a cautious candidate, that's why they call them frontrunners.
Obama saw what many of us saw before the war, there was no justifiable reason to invade that country. Plus he was not a senator at that time so he couldn't have voted. But he did state publicly his opposition at the time.
If you watched and listened to his speech last night and didn't feel that maybe we do have a future that can be better than the past seven years, I just don't know what to say to you.
I'm old enough to remember the energy and hope the Kennedy brothers brought to this country. I concur with Caroline Kennedy in drawing a comparison of Obama to JFK. Obama brings an excitement long missing in presidential elections in this land. His youth and energy,charisma, and positive demeanor are infectious. And how great would it be to have kids in the white house again? Hilary makes me tired. The Republicans make me angry and sick. Edwards makes me proud. Obama makes me hopeful and optimistic. Imagine, a black president of the USA. What a huge immediate impact that would have on our relationships with so many countries!
GOBAMA!
bubba @ 24:
Lemmings like Glenn Greenwald and Anonomous Liberal? Clinton crossed a line - clearly and deliberately. And, as they say, if you gotta ask...
CD @ 26:
Was this the general election or a caucus?
pissed off patricia @ 32:
PoP - some people love the current nightmare and that's why they didn't listen to Obama's speech, which by the way, was inspiring.
andy @ 27:
He's relationship to Cheney is little more than a joke
Good more money and PR for him
Willie don't care
nice spin
The PATRIOT Act became law on October 26, 2001. Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005.
i'm still incredibly skeptical that obama will win on super tuesday...
i sure hope he does, but i can't help but feel like this game is rigged to HRC.
South Carolina Primary Results:
Republicans
McCain, John S. 140,798
Huckabee, Mike 126,187
Thompson, Fred Dalton 66,824
Romney, Mitt 63,909
Paul, Ron 15,570
Giuliani, Rudolph W. 8,989
Hunter, Duncan 1,024
Tancredo, Thomas Gerald "Tom" 114
Cox, John H. 83
Cort, Hugh, III 42
Fendig, H. Neal "Cap", Jr. 23
Gilbert, Daniel Ayers 0
Democrats
Barack Obama 295,091
Hillary Rodham Clinton 141,128
John Edwards 93,552
Bill Richardson 725
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 693
Dennis J. Kucinich 551
Christopher J. Dodd 247
Mike Gravel 240
That Obama got more votes than all the GOP candidates together is making the GOPers crap their pants...which must be why Faux News is attempting to belittle Caroline Kennedy's endorsement of Obama.
GOP tool and overwrought drama queen Julie "Bidwell" Banderas asks her viewers, "Is the Obama comparison to JFK a good thing?" The a$$wipes at Faux are grasping for anything they can.
CD @ 22:
"...he's not nuts, he has a brain..."
Wow, CD. That's high praise.
Those are certainly Bush levels of competency. Bravo, Obama. The black Chauncey Gardener.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 5:
i am and have been a democrat for over 40 yrs. let's hope the party is more united
now than it ever has been. you may call bush the best thing to happen to the dem party, but we have been a sleeping dog gathering fleas for far too long. we are just as much to blame for the horrible mess we are in for being too lazy to actively participate in our own futures. too many sit back and want all the perks and privileges, are not willing to take the responsibility necessary to secure them. if you don't get off your collective butts, you can not expect anything to change.
pissed off patricia @ 32:
Sheesh, charisma and talk mean what exactly? Obama has not voted like an anti-war firebrand and he certainly hasnt acted like one.
I understand that most americans were stupid and supported the war (around 80%), including 97 senators (whatever they felt the vote was on) but you cant make up votes for Obama and pretend he did something which he in fact didnt do.
He was probably busy voting on important dog license regulations back in his home state. Which is noble and all but doesnt really establish any peace credentials.
I won't stop worrying until diebold is not counting the votes.
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
No Bush is nuts and has no brain.
CD @ 37:
I accept the first one, it was more tongue in cheek than anything else.
His relationship with AIPAC means there will be no "change" in the israel/palestinian conflict.
Brezinski is a murdering scum ball.
Spin ? he voted to fund the war, thats not spin and it's not something an "anti war" candidate would have done.
He voted to reauthorize the Patriot act.
He has openly talked about bombing Iran and invading pakistan.
andy @ 46:
And who should we vote for Hillary?
andy @ 16:
What's his appeal? I'll take a stab at this one. People don't know him, so he's new and if you want change, the idea is to vote for someone new. Everybody knows Clinton, and everyone knows she is as Republican as any Republican could be. That isn't change. Now with Edwards? I honestly have no idea why the middle class isn't stampeding for his ideas, but we can blame the MSM for lack of coverage all we want. That isn't the reason. Can't be.
Cheeseypoofs @ 40:
Not hardly. The Republicans cast 446,000 votes.
CD @ 22:
He's actually related to Dick Cheney, true, true, and he didn't vote against it either so that line of reasoning is BS when he keeps funding the war.
The GOP leadership is still trying to think of the correct angle to sell America that Republicans are the right ones to fix George Bush's Republican mess.
Can someone confirm something I just read that I find profoundly disturbing?
Roland Martin's recent essay says that:
Can someone confirm this? If it's true, then it is clear that the Clinton campaign strategy is explicitly racist.
CD @ 47:
NO!!!
Ruthless People @ 28:
Obama got more than 20% more white votes than Hillary did.
Geo @ 52:
Can someone confirm this? If it's true, then it is clear that the Clinton campaign strategy is explicitly racist.
This is America. Racism is part of our culture.
All Im saying is this "change" talk is BS, there is no REAL difference between the rep and the dems once in office.
Ron Paul is my choice, but i know people aren't to keen on his domestic policy but he is the ONLY candidate who actually heeds the constitution and votes in accordance with it, he's a staunch believer in civil liberties, and crucially he HATES the neo-con crazies.
check out this speech from 03-
Ron Pauls neo-conned speech-
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4156174553630131591&q=neo-conn...
...doesn´t mean shit. Nov is a LONG way away...
I like Obama as well, but I wonder sometimes why its OK for McCain to find fault with Romney, and vice versa and everybody can fault Hillary , but the media just won't allow anyone to say f**k all about Obama, because that would be racial. I think they should all be on the same even field. Maybe Im being too sensitive, anyone else notice this??
ConcernedCanuck @ 54:
1) again, this was a PRIMARY and 2) southerns HATE HILLARY.
When Obama gets 20% more white votes than Mitt or McCain in the general election...ESPECIALLY in the south, then I'm a believer.
Don't get sucked in by the "change" lie, ITS BULLSHIT!!
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7383363181699622471&q=cameron...
andy @ 56:
Ron Paul does stand out. However, he's had no problem being a part of this political scene for how long? How much has Ron Paul "earned" over the years? Change? Change means getting rid of something. Well, voting for the same people is NOT change, is it? Dr. Paul does talk a good talk, but what candidate doesn't? I mean really?
Ruthless People @ 59:
It won't happen. Why? Hillary is the DLC candidate. She will be in the general election.
3 Federal employees being investigated for sending around the false email about Obama being a "radical muslim".
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/26/3_us_workers_face_...
Cats r Flyfishn @ 29:
Actually Obama is my second choice but I think it's interesting how cowardly some Obama supporters are by calling those who, for whatever reason, don't think he can win in the generals "racists" or "Nazis". Many of these Obama supporters are the same ones who call Hillary a "bitch". Hmmm, guess that makes them wife beating misogynists? Perhaps they should focus on the swastika on their own arms?
ConcernedCanuck @ 62:
As an Edwards supporter first and a Obama supporter second, I hope you're wrong.
jules @ 58:
There's nothing overly sensitive about recognizing Clintons' comments as a clear and deliberate effort to make Obama nothing more than the "black candidate." Check out the video (bottom of short page). The question that was asked :
Bill went straight to JJ even though this question asked nothing whatsoever about Jessie Jackson. But Clinton(s) wanted it out there. This was not accidental, this was calculated... and really pretty slimy.
The Clintons started this race baiting right after Iowa and right before New Hampshire. They thought they might lose N.H. and that might make Obama unstoppable. Who do you think Obama was talking about when he referred to people that would say and do anything to get elected? Look at what they tried to pull in Neveda. Hillary is the only one to leave her name on the ballot in Michigan after everyone had agreed not to participate. Now they are snubbing their noses at Howard Dean and the Democratic Party and going to Florida. They will do ANYTHING and say ANYTHING to Win.
I am not anti-Clinton. I voted for him twice. However enough of them is enough.
FYI: Anyone who is so racist that wouldn't vote for Obama because he is a black man isn't likely to vote for any candidate from the "commie-pinko gay-loving secular-atheist" Democratic Party anyway.
Glad you are back...phew...was worried....
About last night....These numbers are HUGE for SC, and yes, even with Edwards there- he won a HUGE number of White Male Votes....HUGE...
WOW...
Hill and Bill are handing out Bumper Stickers at their Southern Events- "African Americans for Hillary" , Is anybody else grossly offended by this as their NEW strategy ?????
*** BTW JOhn, if you can please do post the Keith Interview off CNN Reliable Sources this am- it is excellent...thanks****
ConcernedCanuck @ 61:
He's been part of it but he's been fighting it, go read his record, his record perfectly matches his principles, which is rare.
Something internet users might like to know, he is totally against regulating the internet, whilst Hillary has openly talked about the need to.
The Clintons saw how the Republicans were able to use race to destroy Harold Ford's campaign and they took a page right out of that playbook. Who would ever thought that the Clintons would be the ones to erase the progress made on race relations in this country. It would be interesting to hear their response on the matter once the campaign is over.
Clinton is complaining about Obama's comment on Ronald Reagan and every opportunity she gets, she aligns herself with Republicans.
ConcernedCanuck @ 54:
Actually, Obama got almost 40% more white votes than Hillary did.
Vote by Race (p. 3): 24% of Obama's 295,091 and 36% of Clinton's 141,128 votes were white. I believe that's 70,821 for Barack compared to 50,806 for Hillary.
Not All Will See It That Way
Don't get me wrong; it is sweet to see the numbers favor a Democratic candidate. However, I bet someone on Sunday's talking head show will make the claim how Obama cannot beat McCain in the general.
To me, these numbers are the biggest story coming out of the South Carolina primary. It says Obama can beat the best Republican and beat him good. But, if you know the conservative media, they will find a way not to highlight the crossover statement C&L observed. At best, the media will only highlight the sound ass beating he have Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards.
Joseph
SassySandy @ 67:
Their power grab is starting to look like they are on a dictatorship adventure.
Seriously, if I see another so-called liberal parrot talking points from the drudge report....
Ya, bill clinton is a racist, sure. Love for Obama doesnt mean you have to become a right-wing spin machine.
alecia @ 71:
So you are upset that clinton is using race to "destroy obama" and that she criticisizes him for complementing Reagan.. Is there anything she could say that wouldnt get your panties in a wad? Sounds like youve picked your candidate and are busying yourself drinking Obama kool-aid as fast as they can hand it to you....
Ill vote for whoever wins, but lemme guess, if you dont get your candidate you'll hold your breath.
alecia @ 74:
I missed it; where is the evidence the Clintons started "race baiting?" Please no statements. I would like to see examples.
By the way, Barack Obama, and John Edwards are on the ballot in Florida.
Joseph
andy @ 53:
Then who?
Joseph @ 73:
You guys need to look at "What" percentage of the total vote you figures represent. In total, Obama only got 20% of the white vote. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards beat him hands down in every non white category except for the 18 to 20 age group. That is is where you got your figures from, but that only accounts for 5% of the non white vote.
Joseph
billw @ 72:
You guys need to look at “What” percentage of the total vote you figures represent. In total, Obama only got 20% of the white vote. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards beat him hands down in every non white category except for the 18 to 20 age group. That is is where you got your figures from, but that only accounts for 5% of the non white vote.
Joseph
Hillary to run in Florida, thoughts?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080127/D8UEG4RG0.html
CD @ 78:
Ron paul, he may not be perfect but he transcends both parties imo, he's the stand out candidate, and if people want to see pa;pablle changes in the US then he's yer man, if you want more of the same vote hillary/obama/McCain/Romney.
[andy, I'm going to have to ask you to keep it on topic. You have been trying to derail this thread for a while now. Please knock it off. Consult the commenting policy for further enlightenment, please. Site Monitor]
If Hillary can't be trusted on "little" things like promising the party not to campaign in Florida, why would anyone think she can be trusted on the big things?
jdog @ 81:
Thoughts? Perhaps this time she will soundly defeat "Uncommitted"!!! In Michigan, it was kinda close. I think maybe Mr Uncommitted is the same guy that they showed on the nationally televised debates briefly. That white guy. Ha!
jdog @ 81:
Word missing from Hillary's dictionary: Integrity.
DISCO INFERNO @ 12:
You really need to get off this poll kick because American peope are finding out everywhere that that always get it wrong.
We are going to be the deciders not just in all the States, that have been tested, but all of those that follow.
billw @ 72:
Just goes to show spin isn't for Republicans only. Notice you forgot to note that Hillary spit the white vote with Edwards. Had Edwards or Hillary not been in the race it would have been approx. 50/50 for each of the two, Obama and Hillary or Edwards. Also, hate to sound like a broken record here, but these are white DEMOCRATS in a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY reflecting a more progressive pool of whites than what the white vote in the general election is going to reflect. Not to mention had Hillary or Edwards not been in the race this would not have been a blow out for Obama.
All this spinning is making me dizzy!
Corrections made
Joseph @ 80:
Joihn, there was a huge difference in the weather between the Saturdays. Last Saturday there was snow and freezing rain over South Carolina.
The Dem's were motivated to vote this week, but in the fall will the Rednecks and Bible Thumpers be properly motivated? Only time will tell.
Joseph @ 88:
Rico @ 85:
Slow down you two.
Obama just went down to Sarasota for a fundraiser of his own.
Full disclosure, huh?
(BTW, I'm an Edwards guy. I'm just pointing out that HRC isn't alone in taking advantage of a loophole in the party's rules.)
Rico @ 85:
Just goes to show that she will do anything to win. I actually respected her in the beginning, but after the last few weeks I cant stand her and her tactics. If she does get the nod in the end I will hold my nose and vote for her though.....Go OBAMA!
In the end the powers that be will see to it that Hillary beats Obama, because that's the only way Republicans can win the Presidential office since she's very unpopular, and she knows this.
xoites defends Constitution @ 49:
Sorry. I was going by the previous headline on this article which has since been corrected. Still doesn't change the fact that Democratic voters are turning out in record numbers that beat the GOP's numbers and the GOP mouthpieces are getting desperate to deflect our attention elsewhere.
bubba @ 31:
Absolutely right. Obama has demonstrated zero political courage while in the Senate. He didn't even have the balls to show up for the Iran vote. No way would he have voted against the Iraq Resolution. He's as gutless as they come.
Ruthless People @ 59:
No Democrat will get 20% more white votes than a Republican. Period.
Quit trying to use that as a qualifier to find fault in Obama and at the same time using it to dismiss Hillary's loss. These are southerns, but are you suggesting that just because they're southern DEMOCRATS they are automatically biased against Hillary Clinton? And you believe this because...
If Sen. Obama loses honestly, I'll have no problem with it and I hope the Democratic candidate wins the White House. But I am so happy and proud that the people of South Carolina rejected Bill and Hillary's disgusting racist politics. And Bill Clinton, you're about as black as Colin, Condi, or Clarence.
jules @ 58:
That is simply not true. First of all, the media buys into the frame that Hillary has a lot more experience than Obama, when the reality is not so much. Of course, maybe they're considering the combined experience of Bill and Hillary.
Secondly, while far from perfect, Obama has been pretty good on disclosure on things like taxes and his teenage drug use. Only recently did Obama pay off his student loans, it's not like he had huge sources of income that would compel a journalist to dig deeper. Third, as pointed out in a NYT column this weekend, Hillary still hasn't disclosed a lot of stuff from the health care debacle. The papers remained locked up in fort Clinton Prsidential Library.
kali yuga @ 95:
That's quite an assumption - that Obama would have voted for the Iraq resolution. I'd rather deal in realities and it's Clinton and Edwards who actually voted for that damn thing. The senate as institution is not something that tolerates much freshman showmanship and hot-doging. Give credit for Obama working on some substantive legislation like campaign finance reform. Personally, I would have liked Obama to not continually re-authorize Iraq funding, but it's not his mess and he's trying to do what he thinks is best. This is preferable than senators who now want to cut off funding now but voted to authorize the mission in 2002. Those are the kind of politicians who only stick their finger in the air and don't impress me at all.
unfrozencaveman @ 99:
I'd be more willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt if there were a single other instance of demonstrated political courage on which to base it.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE?????
WHITE VOTE, BLACK VOTE, CHRISTIAN VOTE, TREKKIE VOTE.....WHO IN THE HELL CARES!?!?!?!??!
I thought the Democratic party was supposed to be united against the failed policies of the Bush administration and his loyalists that have turned this country upside-down? Why in the hell is the party splitting along racial and gender lines all of a sudden?
I'm a Independent from Wisconsin, and from my point of view, regardless of who started this racial argment......it's painfully obvious that the Clinton campaign are the ones benefitting from it. The Clintons are trying to do to the Democratic electorate what Bush does in the national race.....divide the electorate in half with a polarizing issue and run a campaign to get 51% of the vote.
As Democrats who have watched the Republicans use this tactic time and time again going back 50+ years, why in the hell are we not being smart enough to rise above it when it's being used by our own candidates against one another. WE have the power to make them stop this crap and dictate how they should run their campaigns.....STRICTLY ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST TO US. The Clintons got punished in South Carolina, so please do not encourage them further or instigate a inner-party war with this "he said/she said" crap! It's already unfair that Obama and Edwards have to run against both Bill and Hillary Clinton, but it goes too far when they attempt to divide the electorate and we encourage them.
If a Democrat candidate wins the White House by emulating a Republican political campaign.......then the country loses!!! We have spent the last 8 years divided as a country and demoralized as a Democratic party. I do not want to spend the next 4 to 8 years being divided and conquered again because certain politicians favor career ambition over power to the people!
CD @ 45:
So..."not nuts and a brain" cuts it for you? Set the bar that low and you get another Bush.
jdog @ 92:
How naive. They are all politicians. Even your sainted agent of "hope" and "change".
"Politician". Look it up.
pol·i·ti·cian (pŏl'ĭ-tĭsh'ən)
n. One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering:
“Mothers may still want their favorite sons to grow up to be President, but . . .
they do not want them to become politicians in the process” (John F. Kennedy).
The Jesse Jackson comment, while not directly racist, is I believe a calculated move to make Obama out to be the 'black candidate' with little national appeal. And here's why - Clinton could have just as easily said that Obama was "like Edwards" in 2004 and avoided any suspicions of race-baiting whatsoever, but he didn't.
rzhang @ 104:
Except in reality he is more like Jesse Jackson than Edwards. No experience, rotating views to fit needs.
Obama is nothing. He won't take a stand on anything. His present votes are enough for me to vote republican over him. Well maybe not that bad but close.
I am glad Hillary is fighting for the job. Good, we don't need another wimp like Kerry running against a huge republican machine. If Obama is the nominee he will fall to pieces against them. Look at how he whines now. Edwards could take it but he does not seem to have enough support to make it. It amazes me you want to crown Obama and hate Hillary for actually fighting for the job.
"We're back up!"
All this talk of the 'team-mentality' with parties irks me. We're all on team America, the parties were just supposed to be ideologically different, not a different set of citizens. I hate the divisiveness.
StCyrlyMe2 says:
Here we go again folks, and I don't give a dame what they have to say about me and what I write, because I am going to challenge the system at every turn because they lie to us at every turn, yet very few will call them on it.
Now we were told that the polling data shows that Senator Obama received 80% of the black votes in South Carolina, so I presume they are saying he got 80% of the total 50% of blacks in that State and 20% of the black vote went to Senator Clinton and Edwards got 2%. These numbers add up to 100%
Now we are told that the great state of South Carolina, has a population of 50% blacks so I have to take it as though the entire population of blacks were in fact illegible to vote in order for the numbers they gave us to add up like they are telling
us
You see folks, this is the reason we need to always question these people about the bogus information they are giving us. They consistently take us to be stupid and feed us anything as they do, without questions.
Those of us that are black and even some that are not, know that these figures do not add up because there is no way no how all 50% of the blacks in any state are illegible to vote, so what that means is that there were a hell of a lot more whites and people of other colors that did in fact vote for Senator Obama.
I can't say what the real number is because I do not know the demographics of how many are ineligible, but what I can say is he most likely and to their detriment, got lot more of white and or other races of people's vote.
They are not going to tell us this important revelation, because they want us to think the Senator failed to get any Hispanic, Asian and they freeze when they think of too many Whites in his camp.
Question this mess folks
StCyrlyMe2
Geo @ 52:
Can someone confirm this? If it's true, then it is clear that the Clinton campaign strategy is explicitly racist.
What would be astounding, not to mention 'disturbing', would be someone trying to turn Obama into something other than the black candidate.
Well as I understood it, 50% of the registered Democrats in South Carolina were African American not 50% of the entire state's population. Looking at Wikipedia, South Carolina's entire African American population is about 30%.
What would be astounding, not to mention ‘disturbing’, would be someone trying to turn Obama into something other than the black candidate.
Well, that's true if you subscribe to the theory that explicitly planning to exploit Obama's race to gain political advantage is an acceptable campaigning tactic.
I don't tend to think that way, however, and think it's sad that you do.
(Again, since C&L has some interesting formatting quirks...)
What would be astounding, not to mention ‘disturbing’, would be someone trying to turn Obama into something other than the black candidate.
Well, that’s true if you subscribe to the theory that explicitly planning to exploit Obama’s race to gain political advantage is an acceptable campaigning tactic.
I don’t tend to think that way, however, and think it’s sad that you do.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 86:
More of the reason to question the polls my friend
StCyrlyMe2 @ 112:
And further more, you have the nerve to comment on my observation of bogus polling data given to us from South Carolina, when you present an entire list of bogus data from all of the States ? I assume you don't want to just trash all that work you been doing
You have a real problem Sir.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 113:
And another thing is all the so called republicans you claim did this, when a better strategy would be for them to do something to try to make their candidates at least look like someone cares about them, because at the rate they are going. the group that did as you claim, will just stay on over with the dems and boast of being on the winners side.
Tiredlaready @ 105:
It's not hate, but REALITY check
The Billary Road to Republican Victory
By FRANK RICH
Published: January 27, 2008
I am not Frank's fan, but he is on the dot. There are two excellent comments over there, # 611 & 612
" #611:...The Clintons, politically, are the embodiment of the Democratic Leadership Council.
The DLC was formed to, effectively, move the Democratic party closer to the ideas of Ronald Reagan. In essense, the DLC was the end of the traditional Democratic party values, as represented by FDR. The DLC party was very interested in implementing policies that would attract corporate dollars. And, in fact, Clinton
dragged the whole party to the right during his presidency on labor (sold it down the river), free trade (part of its reward to corporations/sell out of labor), defense (Kosovo), tax policy(for example, he reduced the top rate from 32% to 23%), and treatement of the poor (signed a “Welfare Reform” package that has thrown families into homeless shelters). Other members of the DLC are, besides Bill and Hilary, Joe Lieberman and John Kerry.
#612: "'.. Hillary may be the least electable democratic candidate there is--she is polarizing, demeaning of anyone, Democrat or Republican, that seeks to oppose her in any way, and, of course, is packaged with Bill Clinton--who may be fondly looked upon by some Democrats, but what rock have these "electability" arguers been living under that they think that the democratic base is all you need to win a general election?
And let me just say that I am and woman and a feminist and I have seen a great deal of sexism aimed at Hillary which is unfortunate (I mean, if you're going to loathe her, as I do, loathe her because she is a mediocre, unprincipled, and
vindictive politician who has helped to sink the Democratic party, not because she is a powerful woman) but I don't think that these comments about Bill's role and "Billary" are sexist at all. Or at any rate, they do not demean Hillary any more than she has demeaned herself. ..""" (cont..)
You say, Tiredlaready:
" ..Edwards could take it but he does not seem to have enough support to make it. "" -
if YOU and me don't VOTE form him, and support him, how on earth can it happen ?
# 109 nonbeliever Says:
Well as I understood it, 50% of the registered Democrats in South Carolina were African American not 50% of the entire state’s population. Looking at Wikipedia, South Carolina’s entire African American population is about 30%."
- if ALL of these are registered Democrats (doubtful if 100% of them registered, any stripe), it still is just 30% of total. Census data for 2006: SC population: 4.3 mln
Less than 1 mln voted for either dems or repigs on Sat.
Where is the REST ?? How many more will vote in GE ? whom will they vote for in Gen Election?
this race issue is quite silly - Obama is of white mother from Kansas, and black father from Africa, grew up in Hawaii. So, genetically, he is 50/50 !, and one can say "Obama is a WHITE Hawaiian", and also be correct !!
Why are sheeple so sheepish and allow MSMs to screw their sheeply heads so much ?
ISSUES are the issue. Edwards has been leading, all the way, defining this campaign for both dems and repigs with Frick 'n' Fraq just bastardizing the message. I am sick and tired of the current f***pastor in the WH (even he thinks God talks to him..), Obama sounds as the next one on religiosity train (NOt religion !). Changing the accents depending on his audience is quite ridiculous.
It's the GENERAL ELECTION ! Not the petty dems squables...
EDWARDS 2008 !!
Speaking of racist comments, blogger Andrew Sullivan says:
People who are desperate for any edge and are getting overly excited about the Dem vs. Rep primary voter turnouts need to study history, because this doesn't necessarily foreshadow the upcoming general election.
John Edwards is toast. When a former NC senator, who only 4 short years ago was the Dem VP candidate in the general election, cannot win a presidential primary in his own backyard, it defies logic and reason to blame this on a lack of money or the so-called "corporate media." Here's what it does indicate. If there are indeed "two Americas," as Edwards continually laments in his painfully overdone drawl, neither America trusts this poseur to be their president.
Just the fact that the GOP got about 45% of the vote shows that the Dems are not doing enough to fight off these right wing lunatics in the GOP. McCain is sounding more and more like Cheney (which is way worse than sounding like Bush, because he's obviously an idiot puppet). Huckabee is a lunatic christian, Guiliani is just a mobster, Romney is a Mormon which won't fly with the supporters of Huckabee. I mean, the GOP is a complete mess, and still they can't manage better than 55% of the vote. Pathetic. That's only a 5% spread kids, the GOP hate machine could cover that ground without even blinking, once the black man is the choice of the dems (or less likely the white woman who is dispised by so many americans, mostly for no good reason). I didn't think Bush had a snowflakes chance in hell in 2004, and they still managed to steal the election. Good fscking luck, you're going to need it.
What a waste of time debating all the poll numbers that the MSM keeps putting out. They haven't gotten anything right yet. There seems that something is going on with the voters that the MSM can't figure out. It seems more people are going to the polls this time around then in the past. The MSM can't control this or do much to influence it either. They run their polls under the old model and its not working out for them. People seem to be pissed off this time and no matter what the MSM trys to do to influence the election, it doesn't seem to be going as planed.
No coffee yet. It should be planned.
GOP voters have no inspiration, no one to energize them. it's obvious really.
And WHO can they thank ?????
George W. Bush !
He has singlehandedly undone every gain the GOP has manufactured over the last 25+ years.
Dumbya's record of miserable failure after miserable failure continues unabated. He's a walking disaster, a bull in a china shop. Something we have always known, but the blind are just now realizing.
So comfort a Republican today if you can, they really need it right now.
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