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Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly recently told his television audience recently that John Edwards was wrong to assert that there are 200,000 homeless U.S. military veterans. He told his viewers “there’s not many of them out there,” and said he would intervene to help veterans sleeping under bridges.

On the facts, not surprisingly, Edwards was right and O’Reilly was wrong. The real entertainment came a day later, when O’Reilly insisted that Edwards apologize for using “class warfare.”

The story more or less faded from public view, but it appears poised to make a comeback. Jason Linkins has the story.

This afternoon in New York City, some of that work will resolutely continue, as a group of homeless veterans - one of the segments of the population of forgotten Americans that Edwards spoke of so often on the stump - will swarm FOX News Channel’s Studios to bring their fight to Bill O’Reilly, the millionaire celebrity host of The O’Reilly Factor. […]

Now, a group from Fitzgerald House, an “organization representing homeless veterans,” plans to bring their fight for recognition to Fox’s doorstep. They plan on visiting the Fox News Channel Studios today at 3:00 pm, and will come carrying a petition signed by 17,000 people demanding an apology from O’Reilly for his ignorance and abuse. In a press release, Brave New Films and Fitzgerald House say thay “have found that it is very easy to locate homeless veterans and are willing to help O’Reilly find them if his desire to help homeless vets is sincere.”

I have a hunch his stated intention to help was probably less than sincere, but I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

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kablooie's picture

If O'Reilly doesn't see homeless veterans, then it is because he has not stepped foot in any city park in America in the past 25 years. Believe me, that elderly gentleman sitting on the park bench next to you could very well be a homeless vet.

flatearth friedman's picture

those guys do not exist. this must be some liberal media scam cooked up to make billy the o look bad

Pawn's picture

I don't recall Bill ever saying he would help, I thought it was a indirect statement that could be perceived that his intention was to help. We all know Bill will never help anyone but himself. That's how he got to the position he's in.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Only an idiot would mess with a war veteran much less 200,000 of them.

Oh, Bill O'Rielly said it.

Never mind.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"3 Pawn Says: I don’t recall Bill ever saying he would help, I thought it was a indirect statement that could be perceived that his intention was to help. We all know Bill will never help anyone but himself. That’s how he got to the position he’s in."

Yes, knee high to a snake.

Dr. Matt's picture

It's amazing that reich-wingers like O'Racist never get sick of being on the wrong side of every issue.

Mac-the-mouth's picture

BillO's definition of 'help' was that if any homeless veteran contacted him, he'd make sure that that vet was safely delivered to John Edwards' mansion. You'd think it couldn't get worse than that, but you'd be wrong... He then came out and said that after he put out this request for homeless vets to contact him, only one... ONE... did. Staggering. Ummm, Bill, could it be the fact that no other homeless vets contacted you was because... wait for it... they're HOMELESS???? The words I have for this clown would get my post deleted, so I'll refrain.

Toolbag.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Actually many homeless vets marched on his office yesterday and delivered a petition. One of Bill's flunkies took the pettition and said, "We'll call you."

Joe O.'s picture

I'm one of those that signed the petition and I'm a veteran. BillO needs to go down to a local VA hospital, food stamp office or something similar and he will see a lot of homeless vets. They are there but BillO and his "high and mighty" attitude refuses to look at them. Personally, I hope BillO gets an ear full but then again, he probably won't even confront those veterans. He is and always will be a chicken.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Homeless Vets Attempt to Deliver Petition to Bill O'Reilly:

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/27413-homeless-vets-attempt-to-deliver-pet...

abob's picture

Billo claims that John Edwards lied when he tried to link the homeless vet problem to the economy. According to Billo there are over 150,000 beds available to vets every night. He also claims $37 billion is allocated to the vets. Billo insists the vets are homeless because of mental and drug problems. Billo says, "We cannot physically drag them off the street if they refuse to seek treatment."

This should be an interesting ongoing debate.

Zlad!'s picture

Sweet. Thanks for the video link Xoites!

Roy Martin's picture

Wouldn't it be simple for him to go down there at 3:00, meet the vets, tell them he was wrong, and get involved in helping them? But he can't do that. That is tragic.

VegasRage's picture

Good, yes very good.

Joementum's picture

I think Olbermann said last night that Edwards got his info from a Bush admin. report. So, yeah, it's probably not true. If anything, the number of homeless vets is substantially higher.

EvilleMike's picture

How long before O'Reilly starts taking credit for "bringing this issue to light"?

Josh's picture

Isn't this windbag's 15 minutes over YET?

My God.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

The only way to combat the lies is to make the truth visible. Bill O'Rielly is in touch with his inner idiot when he goes after veterans. The number of people in this country who do not know or are not related to a veteran would not fill the Super Bowl.

Cupid1d's picture

last night he was at it again. According to Billo there is no housing issues in NOLA as a result of Katrina. Those people living under bridges there are suffering from mental illness according to his big giant headness. So if I follow his logic you don't deserve proper housing if you suffer from mental illness. What a dick

Preacher Boob's picture

What a photo op!

Hundreds of homeless vets storming the Fox studios in protest, while we're right in the middle of ?????(several) wars.

Hillary and Obama, hie thy asses to Fox, and do a couple of campaign spots with the vet protest as a backdrop.

Just in case any of the 'Support the War' republicans are deluded enough to think they're sane.

Joe O.'s picture

10 xoites defends Constitution Says:

Homeless Vets Attempt to Deliver Petition to Bill O’Reilly:

Excellent video! I'm glad they didn't just had our petitions over to that clown with the mic. On the other hand though, my gut feeling tells me that as soon as Fox News got the binder they threw it in the trash. Nothing has really changed. BillO and those like him spit on the veterans and always will.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Here is the Administration report on Homeless Vets. If anything it is an under count.

http://www1.va.gov/homeless/

Susie's picture

BOR would most likely sell the vets some of his product. Like a culture warrior jacket to keep them warm, a hat to cover their scars and his books so they can burn them for fire to also keep warm and heat some food.

Bill looked at those vets and thought they are drug addled and mentally deficient and therefore he can't help them. He is looking for "real vets" that can eat civil like in a restaurant.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Joe O, it does not matter what they do with it. They recieved it. Actions like this affect people inside and outside of Fox News. We may never hear about who decided to leave today or next year because of things like this but it has an effect.

MackrisHasThe$'s picture

O'Reilly, after claiming that there's not that many homeless vets out there, did say something to Schultz about how he'd see that vets sleeping under bridges wouldn't do that anymore. But I don't think O'Reilly thought it would really come to anything because he didn't believe it in the first place. Now that he's been proven to be completely wrong and, as per the challenge by Olbermann and Rieckoff, he has to come up with something to save face.

O'Reilly announced that he supposedly has something in the works with FNC's Colonel Hunt to help vets. According to O'Reilly, it should be revealed in the next couple of weeks (with the PR being in time for the February ratings sweeps?). There won't be complete sincerity in it on O'Reilly's part though as he'll use it as a means to try and make himself look good and to continue attacks on Edwards and liberals in general. In other words, he'll manage to shape it to fit his agenda instead of admitting he has been wrong.

Radically Moderate's picture

Faux Noise have no standards of decency nor journalistic integrity.

Preacher Boob's picture

If Fox were smart, they'd save a lot of money because of this vet protest.

Instead of paying someone to scroll through all of O'Reilly's scripts on a teleprompter, they could just repeat

'STFU...STFU...STFU...STFU...STFU..........(endlessly)'

Joementum's picture

abob @ 11:

Billo claims that John Edwards lied when he tried to link the homeless vet problem to the economy. According to Billo there are over 150,000 beds available to vets every night.

Not to mention all the unoccupied toxic FEMA trailers left over from Katrina.

C'mon vets -- get with the program!

Mac-the-mouth's picture

He's got to have a warehouse full of copies of "Those Who Trespass". Those books alone would burn nicely.

MackrisHasThe$'s picture

Joementum Says: I think Olbermann said last night that Edwards got his info from a Bush admin. report. So, yeah, it’s probably not true. If anything, the number of homeless vets is substantially higher.

Edwards got his info right from the VA itself. It's on their website. What makes O'Reilly look like even more a fool is that his military advisor Col Hunt thinks the homeless vets number may be as high as 500,000. Rather sad considering O'Reilly said he doesn't even believe the VA's number of nearly 200,000.

Filthy Harry's picture

I'm positive if Billo ever has to defend himself on this, he'll fall back by insisting that he was pointing out that specifically the 200000 vets aren't living under 'bridges'.

hadenuf's picture

I visited the Edwards campaign headquarters yesterday in Chapel Hill. I'm pretty cynical, but I didn't realize how badly I would feel. I think I was too hard on him.

Let's see if Clinton & Obama keep their promise to him.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see anyone, anyone really discuss class warfare in this country. It didn't start with this administration.

MargeAggedon's picture

Looking forward to seeing the big giant moron deflated. Although I suppose that's optimistic. He'll apologize in usual faux fashion....
"I'm sorry you losers can't take a joke." or some similar back handed comment.
If you really want to hurt him, take his money.

Joe O.'s picture

24 xoites defends Constitution Says:
"Joe O, it does not matter what they do with it. They recieved it. Actions like this affect people inside and outside of Fox News. We may never hear about who decided to leave today or next year because of things like this but it has an effect."

I certainly hope that is the case. It just gets on my nerves that people like BillO treat us veterans in such a manner. Its worse than a slap in the face. Now I'm not a homeless veteran but I am a veteran none the less and I could very well have ended up like many of those that are homeless. I will say one thing, the veterans in the video were civil. I can not say that I would be the same if I were there.

Renegade Mom's picture

C'mon Bill(ious) - Put up or SHUT UP!

I hope this blows up in his ugly fat face (beauty is as beauty does) and he his finally held accountable and taken to task.

right wing hater's picture

Keith had a segment on this....

My favorite part....

'Man up'....the vet asks O'Reilly to come out and meet them and 'man up'...

Now...keep in mind its the 'con-servatives' that came up with this 'cowboy up' nonsense...pseudo-macho phrase to emulate how 'tough' they are...and O'Reilly uses it often.

One of their (con-servative 'macho' mouthpieces) boys...exposed for the coward he is....gotta love that..

O'Reilly....haven't met an Irish person yet that likes him....go figure...

Proud2bHumble's picture

BO: Ed, Ed. If you know where’s a veteran, sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/16/oreilly-to-schultz-if-you-know-where%e2%80%99s-a-veteran-sleeping-under-a-bridge-you-call-me-immediately-and-we-will-make-sure-that-man-does-not-do-it/

Olbermann: “Well, Bill, you’re right. This homeless vet is not living under a bridge tonight…..he’s dead.”
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/23/countdowns-worst-persons-knoblauch-clark-co-gop-billo/

What a coincidence...

Filthy Harry's picture

Proud2bHumble @ 37:

BO: Ed, Ed. If you know where’s a veteran, sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/16/oreilly-to-schultz-if-you-know-where%e2%80%99s-a-veteran-sleeping-under-a-bridge-you-call-me-immediately-and-we-will-make-sure-that-man-does-not-do-it/

Olbermann: “Well, Bill, you’re right. This homeless vet is not living under a bridge tonight…..he’s dead.”
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/23/countdowns-worst-persons-knoblauch-clark-co-gop-billo/

What a coincidence...

Coincidence? You saying BillO had the vet whacked in order to not be wrong?
I wouldn't put it past him.

Dr. Matt's picture

abob @ 11:

Billo claims that John Edwards lied when he tried to link the homeless vet problem to the economy.

THe only problem with that rant is that it's not true.

Left&Left's picture

We have allowed the arrogant,fake strong, angry people of our society to dicate our nation's daily agenda. They embarrass us worldwide with awful, ignorant, bigoted comments that appeal to our lowest common denomenator. At my office in Chicago, I hear people repeating O'Reilly, Savage, Coulter talking points. This sewer media is having a negative effect in our country

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"34 Joe O. Says: 24 xoites defends Constitution Says:
“Joe O, it does not matter what they do with it. They recieved it. Actions like this affect people inside and outside of Fox News. We may never hear about who decided to leave today or next year because of things like this but it has an effect.”

I certainly hope that is the case. It just gets on my nerves that people like BillO treat us veterans in such a manner. Its worse than a slap in the face. Now I’m not a homeless veteran but I am a veteran none the less and I could very well have ended up like many of those that are homeless. I will say one thing, the veterans in the video were civil. I can not say that I would be the same if I were there."

I am positive you would be. I worked with and buried homeless vets for a very long time.

http://junerevolution.blogspot.com/2006/04/cost-of-war.html

Proud2bHumble's picture

Blo'Reilly's Clear Bridge Initiative posters for underpasses:

"Free Falafel Showers - 1st Served, 1st Come -
- 1211 Avenue of the Americas, New York -"

"... we will make sure that man does not do it." - Sound of One Mouth Flapping

BO's face is visual mace,
Sure to creep anyone out of any place...

-Loofah Makris Malmady

Tom (Not Tom)'s picture

I'm sure BOR will label them a "hate group" funded by George Soros and go about his merry way.

Preacher Boob's picture

Bush, with McCain's synchophantic support, is taking the right action.

Today he declared a 'War Against Homeless Veterans'.

(I think the wording needs a bit of work)

Joementum's picture

Preacher Boob @ 43:

Bush, with McCain's synchophantic support, is taking the right action.

Today he declared a 'War Against Homeless Veterans'.

(I think the wording needs a bit of work)

Homeless Swift-Boat Veterans for the Truth?

nemo's picture

If I recall correctly, BillO did not say he was going to help the vets sleeping under bridges, he said that he would make sure they 'wouldn't do that'.

I assume that he means he will send his Brown Shir- uh, er, FAUX News security to roust them and force them to move on courtesy of the venerable 'bum's rush'? (Snicker) Riiiiiight. Roust combat vets? (Wolf's grin) I'd really like to see that. This won't be like what happened to the Bond Army of the 1930's; these guys will fight back, as they've got nothing left to lose and are mad as Hell, especially the latest crop of Iraq vets.

BillO, go ahead, send your goons. Just rescind their life insurance policies before they step out the door, or you may find this gets expensive in more ways than one...

Proud2bHumble's picture

BLO will never learn that sometimes its best to just "loofah it alone"...

xoites defends Constitution's picture

The war on homeless veterans has been going on for quite some time. The way Bush wages war if he declares war on our vets they may stand a chance.

RMHK's picture

flatearth friedman Says: those guys do not exist. this must be some liberal media scam cooked up to make billy the o look bad

Are you serious? The administrations have always neglected the military. I don't know what the Pentagon does with all that money, but they didn't use it for vests for our guys in Iraq, or the "safe" vehicles the brass ride in.
As for the injured, they are not so good. They are sending guys with brain trama back to fight. As for Post tramatic stress disorder, these guys don't get enough attention. I would ask how you would feel if you had to kill people and watch your buddies die, but you sound like a Republican so it probably wouldn't bother you.

Beelzebud's picture

O'Reilly truly represents everything corrupt and wrong with right-wing thinking.

tyree's picture

i read one post on here where a poster said hed visited john edwards headquarters and said something about how hard the campaighne must have been on him! in my opinion john edwards sold out his supporters ! he collected money for his campaghn right up to his capitulation,this after he prommised us he would stick all the way to the national convention, he lied to us , thoes of us who can see thru the shallowness of the two candidates that are left to vote for, and thiers nothing nobel in the reason he gave for selling us out, in my oppinion he was bought off by both clinton and obama with the promiss of the position of attorny general by who ever won the election, im thru being fooled by any of these slocks promisses, and i wont vote for any of these warmongers that promiss change when they dont intend to change anything but where they live , the whitehouse , i dont believe any of them will do anything for homeless vets , right now the bush administration is shucking all of us veterans off of thier va clinic care they can, when you need a home adress and a phone how do they get help or thier meds ? after your sent to kill others by these criminals and your usefullness is over , were all throw aways homeless or not!

Proud2bHumble's picture

BO: Ed, Ed. If you know where’s a veteran, sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.

How? Free falafel showers?

That would keep the underpasses clear...

RMHK's picture

Cupid1d Says: last night he was at it again. According to Billo there is no housing issues in NOLA as a result of Katrina. Those people living under bridges there are suffering from mental illness according to his big giant headness. So if I follow his logic you don’t deserve proper housing if you suffer from mental illness. What a dick

Bill suffers from mental illness.

BobD's picture

I say BillO will not be at the Studio today! We'll see a sub sitting in for him, then monday we'll hear a little about a "stunt", a left wing "stunt" pulled when "they knew" he wouldn't be there.

"I see nuthink...."

Proud2bHumble's picture

BillOnite grows by 25%:

Makris, Malmedy, loofah, Homeless Vets...

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Can't stand OReilly, but I do have a question. How would homeless vets know what BillO is saying about them, and why would they care? Most homeless don't care what anyone thinks of them. At least any I've seen anywhere.

kx80kid's picture

hey sheeple the left is going to be our undoing . continue to follow and the end of our society will not be so far behind . lets get some real facts on actually how many homeless vets are out there and how we as a country can help them. if a lack of jobs is the reason take a look around at all the illegals working not fair is it ? remember this Olbermann is a pawn for the left he cries in bed every night hoping to be half of what o'reilly is . careful out there kiddies

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"55 ConcernedCanuck Says: Can’t stand OReilly, but I do have a question. How would homeless vets know what BillO is saying about them, and why would they care? Most homeless don’t care what anyone thinks of them. At least any I’ve seen anywhere."

Really? So you have "seen" homeless vets...

How many have you talked to? How many first names can you give me?

You know nothing about this subject but you sure think you do.

Preacher Boob's picture

Time will take care of the 'Homeless veterans sleeping under bridges' problem.

The way bridges are collapsing.................

David N.'s picture

billo , mur-dock , livermann , mcGain .

Your days are over , or do you want a civil war , because that's the road we are on , thats the the road we came from , it is our road and it is our freedom and your lies to protect us is so much bull shit that only , " tar and feathers " is on the Table .

xoites defends Constitution's picture

56 kx80kid

I bet you could get a job on Bill O'Rielly's show. You have all the qualifications: You don't know what you are talking about and you don't make any sense.

Proud2bHumble's picture

Blovi O's coming down with a bad case of CVC* on this one.

*Conflation Vexation Castration

Mac-the-mouth's picture

What exactly is half of what O'Reilly is? Sexual harasser, horrible erotic fiction writer, unapologetic blowhard, egotistical self-promoter, out of touch old man, poor fact checker, employer of hack producer Jesse Watters, jowly, deluded, narcissistic? I think anyone in their right mind would want to be at LEAST half of that...

AnIdea's picture

Keith should work on his impression of O'Reilly's voice.

Right now, he is doing "Ted Baxter" of the Mary Tyler Moore show.
The Baxter character (by Ted Knight) was lovable.
O'Reilly is contemptible and it is in his voice.

Keith should work on it.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

57 xoites defends Constitution Says
Really? So you have “seen” homeless vets…

How many have you talked to? How many first names can you give me?

You know nothing about this subject but you sure think you do.

No xoites....I've met and chatted with homeless people. Most have mental illnesses. They could care less what someone on television says about them. THEY HAVE NO TELEVISIONS! Quit being so damn ignorant to posters. You think only Americans have Vets? Think only Americans have Vets treated like shit? Do you think it's only American Vets that are homeless? Our country treats our vets like shit as well.

tyree's picture

you just heard from a typical republican! they never complain about the government bailing out morgage companys or welfare for the rich ,they only look down on the less fortunate, they are the real vermin that infect america!

ConcernedCanuck's picture

60 xoites defends Constitution Says:

Why do you think nobody else knows what they are talking about? I don't understand your logic and anger. If you are pissed at your own nation for what it does to the Vets, do something about it!! I have. I am a paid member to the Canadian Legion, and fundraise for them, as well as assist them in all their projects. What do you do for your Vets?

Fanon's picture

Todd Candon
I realize I probably shouldn't respond to you, but here goes... homeless people, vets or not, may be suffering from addicition, which is a disease. In the case of homeless veterans and addiction the causes for their addiciton can be multiple. Traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression etc. Some of those are also examples of mental illness.

I feel sorry for the people in your life, your family and friends, if you can look at another suffering human being as nothing more than "vermin".

No one "decides" to be homeless. Life circumstances, mental illness, really too many factors to mention can contribute to the forcible entry of one into the homeless environment.

Yeah, I'm sure all they need to do is "clean up" and "get a job". That's so easy to do with no address, no clothes, no money, no medication to treat your mental illness.

Oh, what's the use? You don't care about the 'diseased vermin' that are your fellow humans.

I would tell you where to go, and how to get there, but it's against posting policy.

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

With the coming of the 2nd republican depression, it's about time decent american's (liberals) everywhere began to expose the completely disastrous effects of trickle down poverty on 90% of the country (including our veterans).

Let the Reagan/Bush legacy of self-centered criminal greed, be the clarion call of opposition for the next 70 years worth of election cycles - to all who truely care about this country, and their fellow citizens.

Let all of america know what the Orwellean blowhards like O'Rally and the MSM did, to enable this second gilded age of Marie-Antoinette style aristocracy.

I have a dream: That soon, when rich white men talk about tax cuts across the board, the people will stone them (or tar and feather them)!

JerryO's picture

Do those people really think anyone even looked at that petition? Unfortunately it was probably put into the shredder with the utmost immediacy. Hope they made copies.

ED SCHMIDT's picture

Read the transcript! You are taking info out of context as usual. Bill says the economy is not the reason these vet are homeless. Not that there aren't any homeless vets.

Mark's picture

I hope they insist on a real apology. Not some sort of "if my comments offended someone" BS.

A real apology sounds like this Bill, "I was wrong in my statements about homeless veterans, and I am offering a heartfelt apology to all of those veterans who are homeless tonight."

Then soemone might actually believe him

jaf's picture

Not to worry everyone Billo will declare these to be 'not the REAL vets' but some radical secularist vets and call Bloomberg's Brute Squad to come and haul them off to jail.

Switchblade's picture

His idea of helping homeless vets is to pass the surplus copies of his "Culture Warrior" book.

grimcity's picture

Props to the Fitzgerald House! The fact that out country has a homeless population at all is disgusting, but when you add that there are so many that have a history of service to the country, you'd at least expect some sort of extra support for them since they've served the country as enlistees... note: I'm not saying that a homeless vet is more important than any other homeless person, it's just that you'd expect vets to be taken care of by the government they served and represented. It's all a shame, as is Bill O.

drew's picture

is it just me or is it a little strange that one of those "homeless" people had an ipod?

Jerry's picture

"They'll get back to us"

Bwhahahhaaaa

"What a load of liberal crap- Drug and alchohol addiction is NOT a disease"

Ah yes spoken like a true blind fool ....... I wonder what country you're from.

Thing Fish's picture

ConcernedCanuck @ 67:

60 xoites defends Constitution Says:

Why do you think nobody else knows what they are talking about? I don't understand your logic and anger. If you are pissed at your own nation for what it does to the Vets, do something about it!! I have. I am a paid member to the Canadian Legion, and fundraise for them, as well as assist them in all their projects. What do you do for your Vets?

If you've read C&L comments enough over the years you'd know your questions were already answered.

As far as the petition, I wouldn't be shocked if it was File 13'd. As the Fox "producer" said, he'd take the petition; but it wasn't up to him if it would get to the receptionist. Let alone BOR.

Anne's picture

Tod Candon....get real. There was a homeless vet in our office the other day. A veteran of Panama, Gulf War, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Iraq. He has a college degree and cannot find a job. He was also very ill with the flu. 70% of all homeless work. They work for minimum wage and cannot afford first, last and security deposit and they'll never get there. Yes there are alcohol and drug abusers among the homeless. PTSD is a major cause of homelessness among veterans. They self medicate with alcohol and drugs. Divorce and alienation from the family cause their homelessness.
Do yourself a favor, visit a soup kitchen...talk to the homeless.
I asked Bill O'Reilly for 3 million to build our veterans homeless shelter.

CD's picture

drew @ 76:

is it just me or is it a little strange that one of those "homeless" people had an ipod?

I think it was loaned to him so he could hear what Billo said.

Thing Fish's picture

drew @ 76:

is it just me or is it a little strange that one of those "homeless" people had an ipod?

What makes you think "one of those" were "homeless"?

ysbaddaden's picture

77 Jerry

Drug addiction and alcohol abuse are diseases. Most people can say enough at some point, but for he addicted, it's like they can never have enough, due to some miswiring in the brain. These are two of the few I will acknowledge as such. Things like pornography and promiscuity I would consider to be obsessive/compulsive disorders, and close friends of mine like Eugene and Rusty.

Proud2bHumble's picture

drew @ 76:

is it just me or is it a little strange that one of those "homeless" people had an ipod?

Strange that a homeless vet would listen to music? Or be able to afford an iPod for $99 and not rent for $900? Or that he hasn't had it stolen while he was asleep under a bridge?

Strange questions sometimes provide unsolicited answers re the asker...

If ya don't know, ya better ax sumbuddy!

freder421's picture

Bill has spent more money on that phone sex suit, then he has or ever will spend, on vets. That pussy got a deferment from Vietnam, who cares what he says?

Concerned American's picture

Coming from a military family I feel very much for these Veterans. The Government uses them like disposal paper towels and discards them afterwards. O'Reilly is such a useless human being that even the person who is so far down on their luck is still a far person better person than O'Reilly. Oh yeah, and f@ck Bush too, that lazy useless piece of sh!t in his little flyboy uniform acting like he made a difference.

HARRY GRIMES's picture

THIS IS THE GUY THAT MAKES OBSCENE PHONE CALL`S THAT CLAIMS PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HIS POLITICKS THAT NEVER SERVED HIS GOV. HOW CAN HE HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY

SpinyNorman's picture

Proud2bHumble @ 37:

BO: Ed, Ed. If you know where’s a veteran, sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.

See, that's the point: he didn't offer to help. He pretended to commit to making sure the veteran wouldn't do it anymore. It's not as if the idea of running the homeless out of town or out of their sleeping spots is unknown in this country.

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SpinyNorman @ 87:

Proud2bHumble @ 37:

BO: Ed, Ed. If you know where’s a veteran, sleeping under a bridge, you call me immediately, and we will make sure that man does not do it.

See, that's the point: he didn't offer to help. He pretended to commit to making sure the veteran wouldn't do it anymore. It's not as if the idea of running the homeless out of town or out of their sleeping spots is unknown in this country.

I'm assuming your addendum is for others who may not have discerned the implication that BLO would not allow the man to sleep there vs. offering him a place to sleep.

JonAtWork's picture

The Fitzgeral "HOUSE"! Then how can they be homeless?!

I’m one of those that signed the petition and I’m a veteran. BillO needs to go down to a local VA hospital, food stamp office or something similar and he will see a lot of homeless vets. They are there but BillO and his “high and mighty” attitude refuses to look at them. Personally, I hope BillO gets an ear full but then again, he probably won’t even confront those veterans. He is and always will be a chicken.

He would run into at least 100 Homeless vets on the way to Sylvia's, where he could scream for a refill of "M-----F----ing" iced tea.

Save Our Troops's picture

Why are ANY vets homeless? They should be pampered by the government for the rest of their lives.

Of course, in the Corporatocracy they are disposable.

abarts's picture

SEXUAL PREDATOR! They should pummel him with falafals and loofas. Andrea should be there to autograph them.

Joe J.'s picture

Way to use homeless veterans to make your political point guys. You're no better than O'Reilly.

Rob's picture

Liberal liars.. what edwards said was, " they are homeless due to the economy". Oreilly said that's hogwash, which it is. Oreilly stated that they are homeless due to other reasons ie, drug abuse and alcihol and mental illness.. The reporter and the responders should do their homework before making absurd comments.

Thing Fish's picture

Rob @ 94:

Liberal liars.. what edwards said was, " they are homeless due to the economy". Oreilly said that's hogwash, which it is. Oreilly stated that they are homeless due to other reasons ie, drug abuse and alcihol and mental illness.. The reporter and the responders should do their homework before making absurd comments.

I recall Edwards saying:

… and tonight, 200,000 men and women who wore our uniform proudly and served this country courageously as veterans will go to sleep under bridges and on grates. We are better than this.

And then O'Rielly went on dismissly saying the "only thing sleeping under a bridge" was Edwards' brain.

Got something to back up that that was what Edwards said? Because I think you are remembering what O'Rielly said.

Jean's picture

well i dont watch old Bill he needs us to make it and i dont watch the jurk

jimbo92107's picture

Let me tell you what an "apology" from Bill O'Reilly would be like.
"I'm sorry...that you're so stupid."
"I'm sorry that you're so poor and I'm so rich."
"I'm sorry I got caught in another lie."
In case you haven't noticed, the only time Bill O'Reilly stops smirking is when he's yelling.
O'Reilly's brand of arrogance never stops, not even at the Nuremberg Trials.

snitramc's picture

Billoofah will just say that the vets are a vast left wing conspiracy paid for by Soros and MoveOn. Of course, we know he lives in a falafel, oops, fantasy world. It's just that HE doesn't know it.

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Rob @94,

When you call someone a liar, being a repuke, make sure you are lookin' in the mirror.

What dim bulbs like you can't understand, is that liberals don't have to lie. They are not the ones trying to screw 95% of the american people, on behalf of imbred, trust-fund morons like the Bush family crime syndicate.

Shame on U.S.'s picture

When in Hawaii visit Waikiki before sun up. The beach area is crowded with homeless who move on at first light, so as to not interfere with the tourists, sleeping on the sand or under banyan trees down by the Honolulu Zoo. Many are veterans.

Although, hard data is disputed, the wilds of Hawaii hold more Vietnam Veterans than Alaska, Colorado or California.

All Bullshit O'Reilly needs do is pay Oahu a visit. He can get a tan and maybe fork out some charitable relief not, necessarily from his own pocket but, through a drive he can lead.

John Herrick's picture

You people are loonies. OReilly never said what you say he said. The segment had an interview which include government figures showing that the vast majority of homeless are either drug addicts, mentally impaired, or both. Its not an economic or military service problem. The point was its not that veterans are some large proportion of the homeless, its that other factors are the cause of the problem. The Edwards quote was that he said there was a local bridge with "hundreds of pepople living under it;" a complete fabrication. Instead, all the unemployed idiots with high speed internet ramble on about how OReilly slammed veterans. Why do you people go on and on about things someone made up? Scary

Thing Fish's picture

JonAtWork @ 89:

The Fitzgeral "HOUSE"! Then how can they be homeless?!

Thanks to groups like the Fitzgerald House there are at least some veterans who escape or avoid homelessness.

Fitzgerald House is a charitable non-profit organization founded in October 2004 with a mission to provide affordable transitional housing for homeless veterans. Each facility provides an alcohol and drug free environment to Veterans who have graduated from various Veteran’s administration programs or who, for various circumstances is rendered homeless.

Perhaps you'd like to make a donation to atone for your witless remark?

Thing Fish's picture

John Herrick @ 101:

Why do you people go on and on about things someone made up? Scary

Pot meet kettle.

Care to provide backup that your assertions have any basis in reality? Are you familar with the saying put up or shut up?

Travis Gollaher's picture

Veterans Supporting Veterans
As a disabled veteran who served two tours in Iraq I know the frustrations that America’s veterans are struggling to deal with; worse off are the veterans that I come in contact with that are entirely uninformed of the rights and services that they have already qualified for. Many veterans sadly feel that they don’t deserve or that they can’t really qualify for anything even though they actually do and even sadder is the fact that some veterans are entirely ignorant of this entire issue. They aren’t even aware that there are special programs in place for them disabled or not. Until the military and the department of Veterans Affairs can correct their deficiency, and seeming lack of concern it is incumbent upon all veterans who know and who have been through these confusing channels that would seem to an outsider as a sifting of the week, and uninformed, a design to limit the amount of service and quality care that Abraham Lincoln established that should be afforded to all veterans. No soldier left behind; No veteran left behind.
http://libertysfront.blogspot.com/

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Mac-the-mouth Says:

BillO’s definition of ‘help’ was that if any homeless veteran contacted him, he’d make sure that that vet was safely delivered to John Edwards’ mansion. You’d think it couldn’t get worse than that, but you’d be wrong… He then came out and said that after he put out this request for homeless vets to contact him, only one… ONE… did. Staggering. Ummm, Bill, could it be the fact that no other homeless vets contacted you was because… wait for it… they’re HOMELESS???? The words I have for this clown would get my post deleted, so I’ll refrain.

Toolbag.

You can use the term 'Richard Cranium'. That will not get your post deleted and it actually fits Bill to a T! hehe!

Toolbag.

Mary's picture

From the VA report for 2007 (CHALENG)

Need remains high
• The point-in-time estimate of homeless veterans across sites reported by the
CHALENG Point of Contacts (“POCs,” usually local VA homeless program
coordinators) is 195,827.
• The number of available beds increased between FY 2005 and FY 2006
(from 66,202 to 72,196 emergency beds; from 35,434 to 40,599 transitional
beds; and from 27,209 to 31,724 permanent beds). Estimates of the number
of additional beds to meet existing need increased for all housing types during
the same time period (from 13,080 to 14,753 emergency beds; from 9,605 to
11,067 transitional beds; and from 23,328 to 24,364 permanent beds).

In other words, they need an additional 50,184 beds to meet the current need and we have more veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan becoming homeless. The "estimates of the number of additional beds to meet EXISTING need" will continue to go up.

We, as a nation, asked these men and women to be willing to die for us and they said yes. This is NOT what supporting our troops looks like.

Old Dood's picture

Oops...wasn't calling YOU a toolbag. I forgot to delete that Cut after my Paste...My apologies!

abob's picture

I am disappointed none to the vets interviewed actually heard O'Reilly's statement on homeless vets. They all relied on hearsay from Billo's detractors.

GoHIl's picture

What a joke. Out of the "200,000 homeless" vets--- they could only pull together around 10 that had no idea what they were doing there??? AND the guy that was directing it didn't want to be interviewed-- ran away like a scared little girl! This proves what Bill has always said--
The whole fiasco made for a sad day for Bill hating Libs-- too bad....

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"108 abob Says: I am disappointed none to the vets interviewed actually heard O’Reilly’s statement on homeless vets. They all relied on hearsay from Billo’s detractors."

You are implying that homeless vets have no access to tv. They do. Whether it is waiting in an emergency room for treatment or in a VA service there are televisions. You should get out more. TV dominates our society and it sounds as if you watched what Bill O'Rielly said and thinks he said something else. Homeless shelters also have tv's. Being in a homeless shelter can be an occasional situation due to limits placed on how many nights you can stay in a month (absurd, i know) to the lack of available beds. Most shelters have a "first come, first served" policy.

Homeless people are a lot more informed than you think, many of them have jobs but no place to live due to housing costs and other restrictions. Keep your eyes and ears open, you are not the only person who has misconceptions about the homeless (be they veterans or not), but it is not that difficult to learn.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"109 GoHIl Says: What a joke. Out of the “200,000 homeless” vets— they could only pull together around 10 that had no idea what they were doing there??? AND the guy that was directing it didn’t want to be interviewed– ran away like a scared little girl! This proves what Bill has always said–
The whole fiasco made for a sad day for Bill hating Libs– too bad…."

The next time you end up on the street with nothing i want to see how proud you are to put your face on camera for all your friends and relatives to see. Your ignorance is understandable, but you have a responsibility to become more informed.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Out of the 200,00 vets "they" could only pull about 10...

I am sure a bunch were going to charter a flight and fly in from the coast but got side tracked looking for a meal.

Seriously, if homeless people were organized you would not be making fun of them and they would probably not be homeless. Being homeless means you are NOT on a mailing list.

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GoHIl @ 109:

What a joke. Out of the "200,000 homeless" vets--- they could only pull together around 10 that had no idea what they were doing there??? AND the guy that was directing it didn't want to be interviewed-- ran away like a scared little girl! This proves what Bill has always said--
The whole fiasco made for a sad day for Bill hating Libs-- too bad....

AND the guy that didn't want to be interviewed -- who ran away like a scared little girl was from FOX you moron!

Now go scurry away like Rob@94 and John Herrick@101 did like good little billbugs. But do please keep posting your crap. I think it would be something to send to News Corp to show what idiots agree with O'Reilly. And, like O'Reilly, hold those who protected this country in contempt.

Screw you and your hatred towards veterans.

Oh and abob@108. O.K. Kreskin how do you know none of the vets "actually heard O'Reilly's statement"?

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Thin Fish, thanks for picking up the slack today. :)

Thing Fish's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 114:

Thin Fish, thanks for picking up the slack today. :)

No problem. Doubt if responding to such... people does any good.

Hope Vegas is treating you well. I'm off to get some beers.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Thing Fish, some of the most sceptical people about homeless people i ever met, when confronted with the reality of what they were poking fun at became some of the staunchest supporters of the rights of homeless people. Two, in fact, went on to open homeless shelters and run them. Many people are far removed from the reality of the streets. It is not their fault. Our society has ways to divide us. Our job is to overcome those obstacles.

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Rob says "Liberal liars.. what edwards said was, ” they are homeless due to the economy”.

Post where Edwards actually said "they are homeless due to the economy". You can't because he didn't. BillO also claimed that Edwards said the vets can't get jobs because of the economy...another thing that Edwards did NOT say. BillO changed the direction of the argument to being about the economy in order to cover up the fact that he was so far wrong on the number of homeless vets in the US. In his deluded mind he thinks no one noticed his tactic.

John Herrick Says: "You people are loonies. OReilly never said what you say he said."

The above would apply to you too. BillO moved the goalposts of the discussion to be about vets being addicts just like he did with it being about the economy after he denied that many of them even existed. He had to find a way to right on some level so he took the addict and economy route to distract from his originally being wrong on the large number. You're also confusing two different bridge stories - the homeless vets and the homeless Katrina victims.

It never ceases to amaze me just how many people drink the BillO kool-aid without looking at the facts first.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Troll:

You know it just amazes me how superior i am to homeless people. You know, i am just as superior as i could be to homeless vets. Sure they could make it through all that trainin' and stuff but you put them in a real combat situation for a year and bring 'em home and send 'em back for a year and then extend their tour o' duty for six months and den you bring them home and then back again and then they get all blowed up an' shit and they ain't nothin'. They can't even find an apartment. Yep. I sure am superior to them homelie ass vets.

Yep.

Josh's picture

That's like 200,000 Rambo's are now pissed.

I'm 100% behind this, and I love Brave New Films ... but would it have killed them to have the homeless vet take his BLUETOOTH out of his ear?! This is a serious issue, and a little detail like that opens the door to people calling it a fake or mocking it.

EllsworthT's picture

17,000 signatures isn't 200,000 homeless veterans. Edwards pulled the 200,000 number out of his ass and is just trying to attract voters. Why not just bump the number up to 250,000 and say "a quarter of a million", which sounds *huge*? Because no one would believe it--200,000 sounds credible. Then there's the question, if someone serves in the military, what obligations do the American people have to that person when he leaves? Free food, shelter, and medical care for the rest of his life? Hell, sign me up!

xoites defends Constitution's picture

"120 Warren Benedetto Says: I’m 100% behind this, and I love Brave New Films … but would it have killed them to have the homeless vet take his BLUETOOTH out of his ear?! This is a serious issue, and a little detail like that opens the door to people calling it a fake or mocking it."

If i were homeless and i got a monthly check from the VA the first thing i would do would be to get a cell phone. That way i could make doctor appointments, submit a job application and call the police if i was attacked.

Homeless people have no right to get the tools they need to survive?

Give me a break!

xoites defends Constitution's picture

121 EllsworthT Says: 17,000 signatures isn’t 200,000 homeless veterans. Edwards pulled the 200,000 number out of his ass and is just trying to attract voters. Why not just bump the number up to 250,000 and say “a quarter of a million”, which sounds *huge*? Because no one would believe it–200,000 sounds credible. Then there’s the question, if someone serves in the military, what obligations do the American people have to that person when he leaves? Free food, shelter, and medical care for the rest of his life? Hell, sign me up!

If it was one instead of 200,000 would that make it right?

You want to play the numbers game and i don't give a shit. People living on the street is wrong. I want you to go out and count the homeless, but you can't. Nobody can.

Your "argument" is merely misdirection.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Edwards on Veterans: It Checks Out

THE FACTS

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR200801...

Several readers have asked us to check this surprising statistic, often used by Edwards. The language may be overly dramatic, but the figure is an official one, from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The department believes that one-third of the adult homeless population of the United States "have served their country in the Armed Services." A posting on the department Web site says that about 195,000 veterans are "homeless on any given night" and perhaps twice as many experience homelessness at some point during the course of a year.

Bill O'Leary's picture

O'reilly was doubting Edwards claim that there are 200,000 homeless vets living under bridges. Edwards is a insincere trial lawyer. o'reilly's beef was with Edwards exploiting the plight of the homeless and fantasizing that they all live under bridges. I believe all the homelss vets in the clip shown were in homeless shelters(dont get me wrong i recognize that they are homelss, and one did say that he lived under a bridge, but the point is that there arent 200,000 living under bridges)He wasnt denying that there are homeless vets, stop taking things out of context to make an issue that doesn't exist.

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Warren Benedetto @ 120:

I'm 100% behind this, and I love Brave New Films ... but would it have killed them to have the homeless vet take his BLUETOOTH out of his ear?! This is a serious issue, and a little detail like that opens the door to people calling it a fake or mocking it.

Actually I think the guy may be wearing earbags. Could only find bluetooth earpieces which were either earbuds or some sort of clip-on. And it is a bit cold in NY this time of year.

BTW here's a game you'd probably enjoy. No critical thinking required.

bozsak9's picture

I saw the Oreilly episode. He never said there wasn't a problem of homelessness for veterans. He is arguing the point that Edwards made as to WHY they are homeless. Edwards says they are homeless because of the economy. Oreilly said they are homeless due to addicition or mental illness. Get your facts straight commies.

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bozsak9 @ 127:

I saw the Oreilly episode. He never said there wasn't a problem of homelessness for veterans. He is arguing the point that Edwards made as to WHY they are homeless. Edwards says they are homeless because of the economy. Oreilly said they are homeless due to addicition or mental illness. Get your facts straight commies.

Edwards didn't say veterans were homeless due to the economy. That was O'Reilly's statement. A case of putting words into someones mouth. Here's the video of O'Reilly doing it.

Yes O'Reilly said that mental illness and addiction was the cause of veteran being homeless. That's not the issue. What he's being pilloried for here is that he used that problem to attack Edwards. Weak attempt to put your spin on the argument, and a fail.

And worse, not satisfied with using homeless veterans to support his attack, he goes on to assert that there is nothing that can be done about it (also in the video).

That's what O'Rielly wants you to do. Ignore the problem a great many veterans are experiencing. They should just be ignored.

So much for supporting our troops.

Finally I'm fairly certain you'll scamper away when pressed to provide proof to back up your statements like the above drive by com-mentors infatuated with O'Rielly. And like on other O'Rielly threads I expect there will be more a day or two after its gone from the front page. Just like one of those yapping little dogs that try to nip at one's heels once your back is towards them.

All I can say is keep posting your drivel. Because every post just means a little more money for C&L.

So go on and yap away to your hearts content.

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I can't believe how out-of-hand this has gotten. O' Reilly IS NOT contesting homeless veterans, but rather the fact that addiction and mental disease, NOT ECONOMY AS JOHN EDWARDS CAMPAIGNED, is why we have homeless veterans. You people are all idiots.

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"129 John Smythe Says: I can’t believe how out-of-hand this has gotten. O’ Reilly IS NOT contesting homeless veterans, but rather the fact that addiction and mental disease, NOT ECONOMY AS JOHN EDWARDS CAMPAIGNED, is why we have homeless veterans. You people are all idiots."

You are wrong, but we are idiots.

Cool.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Bill O'Rielly: They may be out there, but there’s not many of them out there. Okay? So if you know where one is, Ed…

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/16/oreilly-to-schultz-if-you-know-...

This is from the Veterans Administration:

About one-third of the adult homeless population have served their country in the Armed Services. Current population estimates suggest that about 195,000 veterans (male and female) are homeless on any given night and perhaps twice as many experience homelessness at some point during the course of a year. Many other veterans are considered near homeless or at risk because of their poverty, lack of support from family and friends, and dismal living conditions in cheap hotels or in overcrowded or substandard housing.

http://www1.va.gov/homeless/page.cfm?pg=1

What Bill O'Rielly said and what he pretends he said are often two different things.

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bozsak9 @ 127:

Get your facts straight commies.

Oh noes!!!1!!11!! Bukkaked with the commie epithet. I hope we can survive it...I for one have taken to wearing a face guard.

KC's picture

Interesting that you link only to sources that are pre-disposed to disagree with Bill O'Reilly (with the exception of the Washington Post - all the rest are left-leaning blogs and sites).

Even more interesting is that you don't link to any primary sources regarding what Bill O'Reilly actually said. Anyone can demonize someone by taking one sentence out of the context of their much bigger argument.

If the only way you can make your point is by taking something out of context, and you refuse to link to the original source...dang. Sad. I know you're commentators (much like O'Reilly himself), not unbiased journalists...but come on, people. Stop being so transparent in your avoidance of the facts.

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KC @ 133:

Interesting that you link only to sources that are pre-disposed to disagree with Bill O'Reilly (with the exception of the Washington Post - all the rest are left-leaning blogs and sites).

Even more interesting is that you don't link to any primary sources regarding what Bill O'Reilly actually said. Anyone can demonize someone by taking one sentence out of the context of their much bigger argument.

If the only way you can make your point is by taking something out of context, and you refuse to link to the original source...dang. Sad. I know you're commentators (much like O'Reilly himself), not unbiased journalists...but come on, people. Stop being so transparent in your avoidance of the facts.

Could you PLEASE to and dry up .. your addiction to living in your head is showing.

There are plenty of homeless veterans shelters, plenty of vets living in substandard housing and PLENTY living under bridges with serious injuries and no medical care.

BITE ME, you idiot. It ain't a matter of "you are either with us or against us" as you pathetic grovelings try to twist it ..

We are basic HUMANITARIANS!! Try it sometime; you might find out you like it when you run out of whatever money they are paying YOU.

Why does anyone on here think Montel Williams suddenly got axed . He ran afoul of John Werner Kluge, the REAL owner fox tv by talking about Iraqi dead (Nos. were wrong, the spirit was right) - instead of about the death of Heath Ledger.

The fascism is HERE it's NOW and you want me to back track sources BECAUSE YOU SAY SO? Get friggin real.

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KC Says: Interesting that you link only to sources that are pre-disposed to disagree with Bill O’Reilly (with the exception of the Washington Post - all the rest are left-leaning blogs and sites).

Even more interesting is that you don’t link to any primary sources regarding what Bill O’Reilly actually said. Anyone can demonize someone by taking one sentence out of the context of their much bigger argument.

If the only way you can make your point is by taking something out of context, and you refuse to link to the original source…dang. Sad. I know you’re commentators (much like O’Reilly himself), not unbiased journalists…but come on, people. Stop being so transparent in your avoidance of the facts.

So you don't like left-leaning blogs even when they are telling the truth? And you call us biased! Funny stuff, KC.

For your information, O'Reilly's being wrong on the number is not taken out of context. He did deny that there's many of them. So you want a primary source? Here's a link to a primary source with context showing O'Reilly's actual words that's not a left-leaning website.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323305,00.html

So much for your ridiculous claim because it's just left sites saying that O'Reilly claimed there's not many. Even the right-wing operation at FOX News can't hide that O'Reilly said "They may be out there, but there are not many of them out there, OK?"

You should have done a google search before you made your dumb request. You could have found the foxnews link yourself and kept yourself from looking like such a sad, transparent O'Reilly defender who lives in avoidance of the facts.

Thing Fish's picture

KC @ 133:

Interesting that you link only to sources that are pre-disposed to disagree with Bill O'Reilly (with the exception of the Washington Post - all the rest are left-leaning blogs and sites).

Sorry KC. I should've realized that you'd be to scared to follow such a link to the page containing the three minute commentary of Bill O'Reilly's from the "Talking Point" segment of his show.

To make you more comfortable here are direct, download-able links to the video clip in Windows WMV format and in
Quicktime MOV format. You'll have to left click the links and select "Save As..." to download. Hope you understand how to do that.

Even more interesting is that you don't link to any primary sources regarding what Bill O'Reilly actually said. Anyone can demonize someone by taking one sentence out of the context of their much bigger argument.

If the only way you can make your point is by taking something out of context, and you refuse to link to the original source...dang. Sad. I know you're commentators (much like O'Reilly himself), not unbiased journalists...but come on, people. Stop being so transparent in your avoidance of the facts.

What's even more interesting is that the video clip are from O'Reilly's show. Can't get more seminal than that. Nothing added, and nothing removed. The context is all O'Reilly and only O'Reilly.

Now the link I provided earlier was to a page containing these video links. I'm sorry that wasn't clear enough for you. But perhaps be you could've asked for clarification instead of assuming that the link was just to secondary or tertiary commentary.

No one refused you this information. You were just too scared to have your beliefs confronted with the facts that you only could react with unsubstantiated accusations and general snarkiness.

Now that goes beyond sad. Living in such fear of the truth is very, very pathetic.

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