The Lie That Just Won't Go Away
By Bill W. Friday Feb 01, 2008 9:01pm
Steve posted Fri about ABC News’ Jake Tapper's article that completely misrepresented what Bill Clinton said in a speech delivered in Denver on Wed regarding climate change and the economy. Brad at Sadly No! justifiably raked Jake over the coals for his apparent illiteracy in interpreting what Clinton meant from the transcript, but I must add that after seeing the video which Tapper has posted several links to in his article, I'm inclined to believe there's just no way anyone could have misinterpreted what he meant. See for yourself.
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Even though Tapper apparently watched that same video, he has since added in an update that he "wasn't sure just what Clinton meant." Now whether it is even possible for a journalist at ABC to be that stupid or whether he just continues to be deliberately misleading, I suppose that could be open to debate, but the problem is that now, days after Jake's misleading piece had been thoroughly debunked and taken to task by blogs on the left and the right, the story unsurprisingly made it into the echo chamber where it was picked up by the likes of Drudge, Rush Limbaugh and now is showing up in publications with titles such as "Bill Clinton Wants An Economic Slowdown" and "Slow The Economy? Chill, Bill."
I can only shake my head. Churchill was so right.
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This lie is so lame.
So Tapper "wasn't sure what Clinton meant."
But now he is, or rather, should be.
I believe the words that come to civilized peoples' minds are "correction" and "apology."
I believe the words coming to Tapper's mind are "laughing all the way to the bank" and "me like-ee pudding."
Seriously this lie sucks.
No drugs, sexs, death, religion, conspiracies or even violence.
The sheeple aren't going to be very interested in this.
Hey, did I just read on the internet somewhere that Tapper intends to blow up the White House? My God! Pass it on!
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14437.html#comments
God damn liberal media.
link doesn't work for me......but at anyrate....If BC says it...they will attack it.regardless of what he means to say.so it doesn't matter..they will make of it as the want.
These are the same arseholes that whine and moan that they're being taken out of context-when they aren't. They just pooed and fell back in it. I'm sure if it comes to light what a huge whopper this is, they'll all wah wah boo hoo over how they themselves were taken out of context, while taking someone else out of context, for the purposes of vilification.
BTW. The economy should slow down. It can't keep growing. There is not an endless supply of anything, and the earth is not and endless garbage dump.
It's going to be a very long summer and autumn. Between the negative ads and mailings, I'm going to need a lot of alcohol for this election.
miss kitty, I think you're wrog about the economy slowing down because there's not an endless supply of anything.
Economies adapt and their growth is fed by change as much as by production and consumption. Movement -- innovation, new markets, changing markets -- is sufficient to keep economies growing. An economy that stays in one place, depends on the same industries and consumption patterns, is one that will stop growing. that's why liberal administrations andd policies are almost always better for the economy than conservative ones.
This is my own theory, not yet peer reviewed. Feel free to pass it on.
Jake must have erased the video. Can't play nor download.
miss_kitty @ 7:
The economy moves in cycles, so slowdowns are just part of it. The myth of endless growth was the problem with the subprime crisis. People got seduced by easy money and big returns, ignoring history and never believing that home prices would decline, effectively eliminating the equity paper wealth that the propelled lax credit standards and a ponzi scheme that caused many companies to lose billions, and their jobs.
Republicans are quick to blame others like BC for their voodoo economics and shockingly enough, don't want to be accountable.
I'll bank that Tapper knows he's wrong. Tapper himself isn't the issue, he's just doing the dirty work that his corporate masters pay him to do.
This is the problem with our corporate media:
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php
The media is only as Liberal as the corporate interests that own it.
spit take @ 9:
Look if it doesn't slow down, it comes to a sudden stop. It's called a crash. We are using up resources at an unprecedented rate of speed in a never ending desire to own everything we can possibly get our greedy little mitts on, and tossing crap all over the place as we go. The economy has to slow down, if it's a consumer based economy. Or it WILL crash.
That's the simplistic version.
And Bill Clinton WASN'T saying that.
And I don't know why he's opening his big yap. His wife is gonna trip all over that big dick of his and have a little crash herself. JMHO.
Bill, Hillary, Barrack, John and Mitt all work for the same company. They are competing for the top dog position but please don't expect change for the better . . . more of the same is more likely.
Bill has a way of making bullshit smell like roses - you have to hand it to him for that. But what he fails to mention in his righteous speech is that when he was president we did have those things - they where all destroyed on his watch. We've had the technology since the mid 90's, but I guess it wasn't a good time then. But now that his wife is running for president and gas is three bucks a gallon - it's a good time. And if you blame it on big oil, what makes you think big oil will allot it now?
"Who killed the electric car"
Global warming is not concrete yet, but according to Bill and Al is it. They are all ready to trumpet in a global carbon tax. We are most like contributing to the warming, but not as much as the UN says we are. And like I stated above, if it's such a big deal, why didn't we make the switch in the mid 90's? Good luck finding a credible scientist that will put his career on the line can publicly state that global warming is as serious as the UN makes it out to be. You'll only find pseudo scientists like Al Gore. The numbers aren't in yet and they know it - yet there still shouting "doomsday!".
"Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off"
It's more "War on Terrorism" type psychological warfare - "War on Humans". And if they do make a global carbon tax, what the hell is the UN going to do to fix the problem? But a trillion dollar vacuum and suck up all the CO2 - give me a break...
I don't trust the Clintons as far as I can kick them. Shits so corrupt nowadays - really quite sad.
I have seen engines run on electricity, fresh water, salt water, hydrogen, hemp oil, bio fuel - this stuff is old news. We could already have it - but our currency is based on oil instead of gold - so they just won't let it happen. If Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, and possible Korea nationalize their oil supply - it will send our dollar into the pooper faster than and you can say "Euro". You watch, we will invade any country that tries to drop the US dollar as it's base currency for oil trade. When China and Russia decide to do it, where in for a world of shit.
And the only candidate talking about our weak dollar and its cause is getting mocked of the stage if they allow him to show up at all. I don't understand why every candidate isn't bring up this in debates - it seems like Ron Paul is the lolly voice.
Oh well, we'll be a borderless North American Union soon because people are too busy being bias to notice.
And while time is spent debunking this asshat and fighting with misinformation brigade, guess what? They have just succeeded in steering the conversation from how shitty their entire platform is. Bankrupt of ideas, they resort to bold face lies. Get used to this "slow the economy" lie because we will be hearing it pop up for the next year no matter how many times it is proven false.
If they get away with saying Clinton "said" this, then we should be able to get away with saying Bush "said" all sorts of things. For example, this week, Bush said "Some say, trade hurts our economy." So our headline should be: Bush says, "Trade hurts our economy."
Every silly straw man argument that Bush uses (usually beginning "Some say...") could be turned into Bush's own viewpoint.
Lies circle the globe, while Truth gets dressed.
Maybe Truth should just come out naked. I always liked naked Truth. Oh, right, censors...
So on purpose.
As generous a Bill Clinton was to the telecommunications industry by signing the 1996 Telecommunications act, it just wasn't enough for them. Even after that gift, they were, and still are, relentless in their pursuit of the Clintons. The Corporate Media wanted total control of the FCC and the Bush regime has achieved that goal for them.
The problem I have with the Clintons is that they still haven't wakened to the fact that no matter how much they bend over backwards for this industry, it still goes after them.
Now, Mike McCurry, Clinton's former press secretary, is a telecom lobbyist who is besily working to end net neutrality so that common folk like us won't be able to hold discussions like this in the future. He is also on Hillary's campaign committee, but apparently it isn't really winning much, if any favorable coverage from the Corporate Media. They know they can get the whole package from Republicans, why should they work with Democrats?
Check this out about Mike McCurry:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mike_McCurry
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/09/mccurry.internet/index.html
A good journalist tries to inform people.
A bad journalist tries to mislead people.
Jake Tapper started his article by taking Bill Clinton's words out-of-context because he wanted to mislead people. He didn't show what Clinton really said until the 11th paragraph.
Jake Tapper is a bad journalist, and ABC News should ask him to resign.
There's the librul media at work for you.
Do you dare take the red pill?
I can't wait for these older politicians to either retire or lose. Term limits are a must. Washington has a sickness. It's called greed. Between Senator Stevens to ex-politician Tom Delay, greed griped our political process. We must get the younger generation energized and vote! I've told all my nieces and nephews to vote this year, in fact I've been nagging the shit out of them, but I don't care. Children are our future.
At what point will today's version of a "journalist" be called before a senate investigation committee, or some other supposedly ethically conscious tribunal, to answer and be held accountable for what they've elected to report to the public?
It used to be that journalists earned, possessed and assumed a fundamental right in representing the public's interests, asking the hard questions and mandating the answers so often evaded by those guilty of forsaking the public's interests in effort to serve their own. Today, however, true journalism has been usurped by corporate profit margins and the "reporting" individual's narcissistic drive to obtain celebrity status through the opinion-centric vitriol personally espoused in their pieces, but that might possibly land them on network payroll as a bobble-head pundit who gets to pop in and be compensated whenever beckoned at anytime over the 24-hour spin-cycle. Hey, they might even get their own show out of it. Possibly even a book deal.
Shame.
All we need to do is to have a copy of the full context of what Clinton said, keep it and cutnpaste it whenever we come across somebody doing a hit job on Clinton with the "bogus version". You'd be surprised how quickly the marvelous internet (especially email lists) can counter-attack. But, like the Obama email, it'll continue to have a "technological" life of its own to some degree, but that's life.
Of course,you can always invent a similar distorsion for whoever you want to slime on the other side and send it out as a chain email.....nah, that would be too much like the wingnuts. Isn't it interesting that these bogus smear jobs seem to always emanate from right-wingers?....
In today's journalmalism you don't get fired for this. You get fired for "speaking truth" to corporate power.
I think a person in the audience brought up a lie that just won't go away either
P.D. @ 23:
term limits are never the answer
worst thing that ever happened to this country was when they term limited the presidency
if the people are too lazy to vote out the incumbent, they get what they deserve
or would you prefer what we have in california? we have a legislature filled with crackpots and nutjobs who look at their short tenure and grab what they can in that short period of time
my idiot state instituted term limits due to one corrupt pol....and now we have 2 dozen who are worse
want to really fix what ails the election situation? stop gerrymandering....
I wonder if Obama could handle the corporate media.
After the President bashed the CNN reporter, they attacked him.
I hate to feel bad for politicians, i know that they never feel bad for me. But its gotta be hellish to know that anything you say (and sometimes might have said, didn't say, or someone thought you might have meant) can, and will, be used against you in the court of public opinion.
Billary @ 15 is right about a fair amount in that post. We all could see this coming. Hell, Jimmy Carter saw this coming in the late 70's. The 90's were the time to do it. Oil was cheap, the people had money to invest, no more Cold War, etc. The time was right to build a bridge to the 21st century. But instead we spent a decade gazing at the new diamond stud in our collective naval and gossiping about sex acts in the White House.
We even had Mr. Environment himself as the vice president (or third wheel). I don't think that any legislative progress would have been possible, given the circumstances. But investing in developing new power generation technologies and the like was certainly possible. Bill Clinton could sell you your own car. If he had chosen to, he could have sold enough of the American people on the idea. It would have been one helluva legacy...far better than a stained dress and a tortured definition of "is".
In any case, we don't need to slow the economy down, we need to change its direction. We don't need to abandon capitalism, we need to retool it for circumstance that are far different than when it industrialized. But more than anything, us little folks need to change some of our ways. Buying and investing locally would be the best starting point for creating new jobs and helping the environment. Shop till ya drop if you're buying from your neighbors.
Clinton DIDN'T say we should slow down the US economy, but he SHOULD have.
Business cycles demand recessions to blow off excesses and misallocations of capital. Think about it.. it's not ok to keep building huge Mcmansions in place of farmland, or older, smaller structures... it's unsustainable in every way I can think of.
We can't POSSIBLY keep borrowing from the world to continue our consumption. People buying our debt will reasonably want to use it themselves, in a recession.
And Clinton is wrong again on the world economy... as the US goes into recession, so will the entire world. It's happening now, boys and girls, no need to argue about it.
Lots of homebuilders and homebuyers will go bankrupt, along with financial institutions. This is DESIRED.
We need that capital to repair infrastructure, restore local manufacturing, repair downtowns. We can't POSSIBLY keep using resources at the rate we have been, especially in the US.
PS - Citicorp just gave hundreds of thousands of Brits until March to close their credit card accounts... there's a great example of the US housing problem hitting the world.
PPS - Clinton was wrong about NAFTA, too. That, for another day.
Jake Tapper looks to much like Jon Cryer. I feel sorry for Cryer that his likeness is associated with a dickweed.
This is what he gets for contradicting "the Path to 9/11."
In some esoteric larger sense, change is necessary. When change happens too quickly, it leads to chaos. When change happens too slowly, it leads to stagnation and death.
Many times those that struggle against change are either comfortable in their current situation or afraid of a future where they will struggle. Those that defend a faster rate of change are either eager to move into a future they see as more beneficial, or are struggling in their current. Nevertheless, the pendulum swings between various stages of chaos and stagnation – and this is progress.
Whether discussing political persuasions, economic theories, or social programs there will always be those who want to roll back the clock; and those who wish to propel us faster into the future. Too many times this mandate (for either) stems from an emotional response based in fear. Fear is the enemy – and people can be made afraid (with or without any basis). In our current hyper-analyzed political cycle and 24-hour news entertainment inundation, fear sells. Logic doesn’t.
Personally, I’ve never understood the anger that is directed toward the Clintons, though I do see this anger constantly. What I do understand though, is that anger is just another facet of fear, for you can’t have one without the other. The Clintons, for some, have become a personification of this anger/fear. They are a de-facto target for those who are afraid – those who are angry.
It seems this attitude originally started as a simplistic political ploy years ago, but now has been extended to a level of mythos. When the mythos becomes a better story than the analysis – print the mythos. It sells better. And when you run out of fiction, make it up - it is, after all…fiction.
Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves....the lies will get so big they just cannot be ignored.
Kefa @ 35:
Eventually...
Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty!!
Snowball @ 19:
Snowball, I agree with you all the way. I just hope that the millions of Americans that are hooked on National Media are finding these words of truth.
You can tell from Tapper's defensive rationalizations that he wants to preserve his 'in' with the Matt Drudge crowd. I still can not for the life of me understand why homosexual gossip Matthew Drudge holds so much sway with the Republcans. I guess he is just considered an expert character assassin with no moral boundaries. Is that why so many closeted gay men can be found at the very top levels of the GOP propaganda machine? The MSM has never dared expose that sick, twisted, corrupt relationship.
I personally am not surprised by this story with Jake Tapper.
We see this kind of spin and manipulation from the corporate media everyday. It just never get's reported. People just focus on Fix News because they do it all the time.
When it comes to every election cycle however, ALL THESE NETWORKS show their true colours. In the case of the current coverage for the Democratic nomination, it is so strikingly obvious. They had already set the stage for a coronation after just the first primary in Iowa when only less than one percent of the American population had voted. It was really the people of New Hampshire who saved Democracy in this country at the time.
I personally now ONLY switch my television set just see the candidates "themselves speak in their own words" and form my own judgement. I don't listen to the comments or spin the analysts and commentators have for each candidate because they will be twisted by them to reflect the particular candidate they either like or do not dislike in a certain way.
It is very sad to see what they news media has now become in our times. Do you think we are fools?
Many on the far right will do anything to try to disrupt the Clinton bid for the presidency. This is just another example of the repukes hatred of the good that Bill Clinton brought to the country (though ot all he did was good - my fair and balanced opinion).
On the other hand, I defy the repukes to come up with a singe good thing that bush has done for the people of this country (and I don't mean those who have profited from the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq).
Taark, I think you have a good point about the fear factor. The oil economy has been a comfortable one and many have benefeted from it's profits including those of us who have retirement or mutual funds with share in the oil industry.
ExxonMobile continues to profit. Have you seen their latest quarterly profits report? It hit another all time record. So why change if things are going so well?
The Conservatives are too comfortable living in an economy that degradates the earth's resources and environment. Life is simple that way. The earth is God's problem not ours. We'll just pray our way through it. They are also too simply scared to change.
Dick Cheney summed up the whole Republican/Conservative message in the 2000 campaign. "Those who have solar homes and electric cars should vote for Gore."
To them, freedom is driving around in an oil economy but they don't realize they are being held hostage to the world oil market, the majority of which isn't controlled by us.
To me alternative energy is freedom. Our house is powered by wind and I converted my old Ford Escort to electric power 15 years ago. Backyard hobbyists and those involved in the grassroots alternative energy movement have been practicing this stuff for years.
Yet the conservatives remain afraid to explore alternatives. Those in Congress keep feeding the oil companies tax breaks year after year, yet solar, wind and electric car technology continues to get the scraps. The latest energy policy that was passed pretty much ignored wind, solar and electric cars. But now filling in that vacuum are the Googles of the world who have the technological saviness and forethought to take an interest in alternative energy and are doing their own thing. The ones who will kick start the alternative fuel economy will be Google and other company's in the high tech sector. The states are also tired of waiting for the Feds to step in and are starting to push their own alternative energy agenda.
We have lost 7 years of progress with Cheney and Bush. During this time its been a grass roots movement to keep the dream of alternative energy alive.
There are economic opportunities in the alt fuel industry. I own a business that repairs electric vehicles and another business that designs websites for the alternative energy industry. And I'm actively involved in the solar and wind industry. Within the alt fuel industry there is alot of cross polination between the technologies that all benefit each other.
So there are economic opportunities. It's people like Tapper, who unfortunatly, have a huge mouthpiece and continue to spew forth misleading statements without a thread of knowledge on the subject.
Roger @ 38:
Drudge holds so much sway because he was part of the threesome with Lucienne Goldberg and Linda Tripp who schemed and plotted and finally got the Lewinsky scandal out into the open so Clinton could be impeached. Drudge will always be the darling of the republicans for that reason.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 28:
Agree with PD on this one. And thank God for term limits.
Eric Jaffa @ 20:
You made the perfect comments, minus the expletives I have tried to choke down. I really do not understand the unparalleled hatred some people have for the Clintons, especially Hillary. However, the slime machine appears to be focusing on them as a single entity. It would not surprise me to see Tapper soon employed by someone like FOX.
Tapper hasn't been in touch with Mann Coulter lately. Mann probably thought his ass was to loose.
Ash Williams, We are right. Children are our future! I hate the gridlock in Washington. Over what? Abortion and gays. How sad. As a country, we must act like a country. Together, leave the religious right in the dust. They destroyed this country.
Quality Control or Accountability is no longer a concern of news organizations. I wish there was an organization which would point out these reporting errors to management in a formal manner, record their response or lack of response and grade them on how they correct their errors. Jake Tapper has a fact check on the candidates. Can't there be a fact check on him and how long it takes for him to admit he made a mistake. Dare anyone say that a reporter was wrong!!
Lets see, right now, Bush says that the FISA legislation is required to keep Americans from being murdered. Then, he say he'll veto it if civil immunity isn't granted to the telecoms for criminal violations. That is the classic definition of "extortion". But, the corporate media wants to report on Britney.
So, it should come as no surprise that the corporate media represents the alternative that Clinton presented, which was slowing down the economy as Clinton's choice, whereas Clinton was rejecting that alternative. Clinton's representation was that since other nations, such as India and China would "never agree to stay poor" by adapting restraints on carbon emissions, that we should generate jobs in alternative energy, which sounds to me like a pipe dream.
Of course, we're spinning our wheel here on something irrelevant, as the globalists wish. The real answer, here and abroad, is to reject "most favored nation" status for trading purposes to those nations who, through their pollution, contribute to global warming. India and China would become poor real quick if laissez-faire trade agreements were torn up in favor of agreements that included environment protections, thus inducing environmentally favorable conduct. That would require the rest of the world to reject the U.S. since Bush says he will only respond to economic arguments for reducing pollution contributing to global warming.
But...., it looks like the nation is poised to choose between a free trading globalist democrat versus a globalist free trading republican. Obama gives us the distinction that he wasn't stupid enough to vote to get us entangled in Iraq. Billary and McCain amounts to a couple of free traders who were both stupid enough to get us entangled in Iraq, apparently because they didn't figure out that the people who attacked us on 911 were holed up in Afghanistan.
It was Kucinich who said that "free" trade should end, and that we should engage in bilateral trade agreements that provided for environmental and labor protections. In rejecting Kucinich for a choice between the two globalists, Obama and Clinton, we have relegated the general election, again, to a choice between bad and worse.
Of course, we all know what "bad" is, and we better vote for it, or the religious right will reelect "worse" for yet another 4 years. One thing about the fundamentalists is, they are not so stupid as to not turn out to vote. Not turning out is the ultimate stupidity.
how come no one has posted the video of John Mccain with the "bomb bomb Iran" song playing at his campaign rallies ?
how come no one has posted the video of John Mccain with the “bomb bomb Iran” song playing at his campaign rallies ?
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=d4e9bbc79faa491f51706e071be46189be...
Mccain is nuts @ 50:
Maybe because that's old news by now.
The video you're linking to is from April, 2006, as it says right at the beginning.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/19/st-mccain-bomb-iran/
justabill @ 51:
oops, I meant April 2007, but you get my point.
huh ?
no no no, im talking about the video of his SAYING it on stage
im talking about a VERY RECENT video of him at a campaign rally in south carolina where the music is actually PLAYING
clearly you havnt even checked out the link i posted
please watch it before commenting
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=d4e9bbc79faa491f51706e071be46189be...
Mccain is nuts @ 53:
Sorry to have to say it again, but that is not a recent video.
screenshot of your video playing (note the date on the video and the URL you posted)
http://thumbsnap.com/v/NVyVQbRu.jpg
It's old news. It's been reported on many blogs incl this one, back in April.
Here's more for you.
This will never be as big as the lie perpetrated against Al Gore about his role in creating the internet (which is actually true - he did exactly what he said he did, helped create the internet)
we should all be flaming jake tapper RIGHT now. if you are reading this blog right now, stop that shit and go flame jake tapper. what a damned idiot.
slappy magoo @ 4:
Hey - I read that too! Several people are saying it now, so it must be true that Jake Tapper intends to blow up the White House.
I also heard that Tapper has a secret plan to desecrate Disney's grave. Don't know if it's true or not, so don't quote me. Also heard he hates rodents of all kinds.
The Swift Boaters are back. Truth is immaterial to pond scum like Drudge and Limbaugh. They know, as did both Lenin and Goebbels, that any lie repeated often enough becomes truth for the tiny brained folk.
spit take @ 9:
Of course there is an unlimited supply of resources. It seems like there is not because you just aren't thinking in 4 dimensions. You are looking at what is CURRENTLY being used as resources and conclude that they will run out eventually. Of course that is true, but that is not how resources work. If people are free to act, then NEW resources are discovered that before were just materials. Only a hundred or so years ago, oil was just a black liquid that was a nuisance. The same thing can be said of silicon. Silicon has only be used in the last 40 years. If man is left free to act, then resources will NEVER be a problem, because "the using up" of resources is a misnomer. All that mankind does is change materials from one form to another. If you think about it, all people do is move atoms and molecules around. The Earth has not even been scratched in terms of what is there for us to use. The mass of the Earth is the same it has always been, so there is no inherent danger.
As for the economy growing "too fast", or "too slow", these phenomena are not in any way connected with actual wealth, that is, real goods. The economy as a whole cannot over produce. Some industries can grow faster than they should relative to other industries, but in the aggregate there is no such possibility.
The reason why the economy seems to grow too fast is on the side of money, not goods. Our monetary system is being manipulated and controlled by a small group of faceless people in a marble tower that is not audited nor controlled by the market. They have a government protected monopoly in the creation of credit, and it is the imbalances in credit caused by the Fed that causes economy-wide problems.
Mccain is nuts @ 53:
The music you hear playing on that clip is the original Beach Boys recording of 'Barbara Ann'. It sounds like you were saying that it was a re-recorded version with lyrics changed to 'Bomb-Bomb Iran'
I'm a bit of a Beach Boys fan/collector and I'm 99% sure its their original. The lyrics are pretty unintelligible in their version too! It was a kind of 'unplugged' session, sung as a big group of about 7 people around a single microphone...
P.D. @ 8:
Just ignore them....
Donald Luskin still hasn't fixed it on his web site, even though he acknowledged I was right and I e-mailed him back and wrote, "So, you're going to fix it, right?"
Hey, for those of you who've been bitching about Bill and Hillary for the past few weeks, you'll be happy to know that Charles Krauthammer agrees with you. Yep. You can tell you must be right here, because right-wing punditry's got your back. Seriously, what are some of the "race-baiter" crowd going to do if Hillary wins the nomination--which seems likely? Are they going to admit to themselves that they were just playing games for politics' sake, or are they gonna have to vote for Ralph Nader, as some kind of "honorable" choice? Sorry. Some of you painted yourselves into this corner, and I'm just enjoying watching you try to figure out how you're getting out.
When it comes to jobs, Hillary's main concern is that illegal immigrants are competing for America's low paying jobs. Hey, what about all the good paying jobs that have been off-shored? Is Hillary concerned about those jobs? Just asking.
Clinton made this interpretation possible because he didn't say "Some say the economy must 'slow down' to meet the challenges posed by climate change." Clinton didn't. When you watch the videotape, you see he really believes the economy has to slow down here to confront climate change and that China and India, etc. will keep growing their economies with CO 2 spewing development. Then, Clinton seems to catch himself and then find himself by saying we need to recognize that we can certainly grow our economies while confronting climate change, which is what he should have said in the first place.
Why didn't Clinton say so in the first place? Because the bastard has a banker's view of the world--and always has at least since the 1980s when he help found the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). He believes trade agreements that help global corporations largely headquartered in the US is "good" for the "US" in the same way Charlie Wilson in Eisenhower's administration said that what was good for General Motors was good for the country.
Was the spin unfair? Yes, because Clinton caught himself. But was that a Freudian slip by Clinton? Sure was.
Regardless of the interpretation which was wrong, doesn't Bill Clinton look phony speaking of "inevitabilities" when he alone caused more harm than any president to overall job security with his NAFTA? He looks to me like a man trying to convince himself of something he doesn't believe in. The twenty million dollars he just pocketed in the Yucaipa deal might be part of the disconnected feeling he gives off.
Democrats have turned into William Kristol.
Since when has ABC "News" ever been anything more than a propaganda outlet?
Regardless the nuances of Clinton's intent, the hackjob "reporting" of it was such a blatant misrepresentation and outrageous deception, that I wonder if it is legally actionable as slander and defamation? There is no way that the misrepresentation and attempted manipulation wasn't deliberate.
Whoever is the next president is must make it a very high priority to reform the FCC and restore it to integrity. The PEOPLE need competition on the airwaves. It is the only way that the Propaganda and Lies Cartel of a tiny handful of corrupt and anti-American corporations can have their monopoly over mass-consumed information broken. they have done such a criminal job, they should have their broadcast licenses and franchises revoked.
this is what the Fairness Doctrine was for, not to mandate equal time but to provide a chance to straighten things out.
the right wing talk radio blowhards will use their monopoly to repeat that lie around the country even knowing it is a lie, until it becomes fact. unless there is a threat that they would get called on a lie like that not only do they just keep going on it, the individual station owners and managers don't have to worry about it either.
the manager of the largest blowhard station in my state, a station that reaches 3 states away at night, proudly proclalims that he can always tell within the first few words whether a comment email or message is from a liberal so he can cut it off. public airwaves?
Does anyone else find it ironic that now we have Clinton saying we should have slowed our economy, yet it the economy were actually slowed down during his administration, it would be a little difficult to make the "greatest economic expansion in history" claim?
Which is it Bill? Did you wish you and Hillary had not made all of that money off of shady deals like Whitewater? Would you rather have been living in a thatched hut with no running water or electricity? Somehow I doubt it. The fact that people still listen to and believe these clowns continues to amaze me.
If Hillary loses the nomination, she only has Bill to blame. He's talking like he is senile. I posted this on the other link about this, and it still holds my feelings:
"Read the full parts missing on Steve’s link. Clinton says we can’t combat global warming, cuz those poor countries won’t agree to stay poor. And you guys think this is an attack? I know they misquoted Bill, but his entire quote doesn’t do any justice to him. He still sounds retarded."
The more Bill yaps, the more he sounds like a deluded Republican.
spit take @ 9:
Hey! This my theory. You're full of it!
The Truthiness Hurts @ 61:
No, what was playing was a 1980's parody by Vince Vance and the Valiants that was HUGE on just about every rock/disco radio station in the 1980s.
Bill Clinton is right about the attitudes of developing countries. No way are they are going to sacrifice their development for the hypocritical whining of rich nations on Global warming. But global warming is the sideshow to what is really going to be the challenge - the hoarding of energy resources in the future.
Many developing nations are "flipping" to become net importers of energy rather than net exporters - countries like Indonesia, Mexico and Iran. Furthermore, developing countries may be inclined to distribute energy to other developing countries in the future because of past grudges - Venezuela comes to mind, but there are other examples. Foreign policy usually comes down to energy security for the US. As energy becomes more scarce, just imagine how ugly our foreign policy is going to get. The flipside is that the more energy independent we become, the more prinicipled our foreign policy is.
Environmental Groups and other powers that be made a huge tactical error by emphasizing global warming over energy security to wean us off fossil fuels. We all want the same thing - clean, homegrown, safe, inexpensive and renewable energy. Yet emphasing global warming really pissed off developing countries like China and India. As the hysteria for global warming has exploded (and temperatures have remained flat for the past 10 years or so) there have been no real steps to address it. Meanwhile the price of oil has quadruppled and it is quite easy to show that energy demand has rocketed past supply.
The Clintons' lie a lot though.
I just couldn't believe what I heard on Russert's show. Carville is so desperate to rule the white house policies for the Clintons, he was behaving the perfect pimp for them.
Those folks were compromising with the Clinton buck in their hands.
I am sure his wife had to swallow the pride and go along with her husband.
Sheesh!
Did Churchill really say, "Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Too many connections in /var/www/global.php on line 22
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My god, that man was so far ahead of his time.
steve davis @ 64:
Amen man...the internet swarm of "democrat" librul (heh) Clinton haters are cutting their own feet off...
I especially LOVE seeing "my" party fall for the medias BULLSHIT they've been WHINING and BITCHING about for the past 7 years, and then turn around ENCOURAGE, REPEAT, and ENFORCE the medias BULLSHIT because it suits THEIR wants and desires:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801130004
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_8120...
Who needs enemies with friends like these?
You Clinton naysayers are taking the ONLY celebrated Democrat President in modern times and TRASHING him, for a race-baiting-for-votes-calculating newbie!!
DO you want war intra-party? Do you?
Because your energy is going into an Obama run, which is doomed to fail from the start...and that's exactly what you'll get.
EZ @ 76:
Ok so the Clinton's "lie alot" Point to "alot of those lies" for our illumination, mmmkay, Mr. Kristol?
What's so suprising? Jake Tapper works for ABC which made and ran the phony docudramedy Path to 9/11 made up and directed by Rush Limbaughs' pal Cyrus Whatsisass. ABC/Disney is partnering with the Rush Limbaughs of the world to put another Republican in the Whitehouse. What short memories we have.
"I can only shake my head" is such a defeatist Democratic response. How about doing what the right wing does to the New York Times and Dan Rather? Post the contact information for Jake Tapper and the relevant ABC executives, so thousands or millions of us can blast them directly and call for for an apology and a retraction?
Hillary was very ahead of the curve; Hillary announced an economic stimulus package in the debate, way ahead of everyone, but not recognized for it, typical Mainstream Media. Then a flurry of announcements especially from Obama, just like health care, Hillary at first demonized for it, now, health care is top of the list for change in America, announces his economic stimulus package. Here, Obama doesn’t likely know what it is all about, finding out though, a stimulus package; it gets money to black folks pretty quick.
Some consider it good, some say it doesn’t help. Free money from Republicans or Democrats with swift action means something is very wrong.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LISTEN TO WHAT IS BEING SAID IN A SPEECH - REGARDLESS OF WHO GIVES THE SPEECH.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LISTEN TO WHAT IS BEING SAID IN A SPEECH - REGARDLESS OF WHO GIVES THE SPEECH.
ISN'T HILLARY RUNNING AND NOT BILL? LISTEN TO HER - NOT HIM.
To make matters worse at Tapper's blog - they are continually scrubbing comments critical of his post. I've had 3 deleted, probably 4 by now - no profanity or personal attacks. I just note that he got the meaning of the quote exactly backwards, the lie has now spread to right-wing media outlets and he should apologize and correct it. And it keeps getting deleted. Someone else noted that he's had 13 posts deleted - and then that post was promplty scrubbed.
Clinton is right.
Either vote for someome who will give the incentive programs to nuclear (Obama), or vote for someone who knows that only true renewables are the answer (Clinton). I hope you make the right choice.
The Clintons have been scurrilously attacked throughout Bill's term, and it has picked up once again barely skipping a beat. Previously, the hate was virtually all right-wing and the Clintons triumphed over this. What is disheartening is that the left-wing and the Obama fanciers have picked up the cudgels and this is the unkindest cut of it all. For Michelle Obama to dance around whether she and her husband could support Hillary if she were the eventual nominee is unconscionable. Bill was pilloried over his "fairytale" comment, but the Obama's are given multiple free passes repeatedly. I really do like Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake for the woman's perspective on the democratic primary, and she had a great post today on Hillary Haters: http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/04/pushing-back-against-the-hillary-haters/
In the responses to the post, I was reminded that Shirley Chisholm, the first (?) African American candidate for President indicated that she found it harder to run because she was a woman than being Black.
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