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Dare I say that this blog looks really really bad on firefox right now.
Ours isn't until May, by then it will all be over and the decision will have been made by everyone else.
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It depends on the POV, americangoy. If you're a Republican't, it looks *REAL* bad. And if you're anything else, it looks real good. Such is reality.
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I'm leaning too Obama now,but I might swing too HRC,but then again I still like Edwards..................
O.K. on XP too.
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Hillary is more FUN and man we need a fun President!
I'm voting for Hillary beacause I want fun that knows how to work. I couldn't stand a preacher in the White House and Barack has been preaching just a bit to much and it's nagging on a lot of us out here.
Anybody have info on who Obama and Clinton are planning to have for advisers / cabinet in their potential administrations? Or is this too early.
I'm for Obama at this point, because of the probable difference in the coattail effect. Obama will bring out young Democrats and independents, Hillary will bring out old Republican'ts.
Take direct action Tuesday morning.
Download this PDF flyer, put some up in your neighborhood, in your workplace, at the bus stop, anywhere:
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Or just type your own, print and post:
SHE
VOTED
FOR
THE
WAR
Says it all.
mudshark @ 5:
I still like Edwards too. I'm torn between Obama and Clinton. As someone else pointed out, Obama has essentially become a preacher. I will stipulate that he is the most accomplished orator of any of the candidates, but that isn't enough. He cchoose an inspire when he speaks (pre-written and likely heavily rehearsed speeches), but so can infomercial hosts selling get rich quick programs. The more endorsements he gets from celebrities, the less appealing he becomes to me as I doubt what is good for billionaire Oprah would be applicable to me. I appreciate that Hillary has consistently taken and answered questions from citizens (both staged and otherwise), and is knowledgeable on just about any subject. If I could put her brain together with Obama's mouth and Edward's dedication and sincerity, that candidate would get my vote. Alas, I am forced to choose between only the brain and the mouth.
ya we don't get to vote in the primaries here in Oregon. but hey... wtf would Oregon know about politics? =\
"My Vice President will never shoot anyone in the face."
Well, not with a firearm anyway ;P
Hudson @ 10:
If a potential voter doesn't already know she voted for the war, should that person be encouraged to participate in the process that will choose the next president?
I'm for any candidate that supports impeachment of at least the king POS Cheney! Anyone? Anyone?
She just sat down for the show tonight.
Choosing to vote for somebody because they are "fun" is like choosing to vote for the dumbass because he would be more fun to have over for a beer! Give me a break! Fun has nothing to do with it! How will she improve the crisis with the cost of health insurance? What will she do about the economy?
Edwards was my man and it makes me sick that it's the beginning of Feb. and I have to choose between just 2 dems. The election system is so driven by the television media its pretty scary. Obama and Clinton really don't look that much different. But, I think America would have a better chance in the world with Obama at the helm. I think Obama would have a better chance getting his programs through simply because he's a man. Pretty sad that I am a woman saying that but that's the way I feel. Whoever gets the democratic nomination just better beat the republican!!!!! And that's another reason to think about who you support in the primary. We want the person who can WIN.
A sense of humor that doesn't rely on putting someone down, all right! :)
Except for the one about Cheney, and he deserved it.
Kay 11 --
Obama is a naturally terrific speaker. Don't assume he is 'heavily rehearsed' just because he is good.
Hillary worked with a top voice coach to help her because she isn't naturally gifted in that way as Bill is. That doesn't make her a bad candidate though.
While being a good orator is important as a president, it's not the reason to vote for someone.
I support Obama and I respect your decision to support Hillary but I guess you don't respect my decision from your tone.
My 10 Presidential Campaign Promises:
10. I promise i will finally get that health care insurance i have been saving up for.
9. I promise keep up my monthly payments to the five members of the Supreme Court who appointed me.
8. I promise to keep better files on you.
7. I promise Monica Lewinski will not be my orator.
6. I promise all media coverage of Britney Spears will be censored.
5. I promise George Bush will never decide anything ever again.
4. I promise to renovate all the bridges providing shelter for veterans.
3. I promise to give Bill O'Rielly an Ambasodorship to Iraq.
2. I promise to try out all torture techniques on Dick Cheney first.
1. I promise the next 9/11 will be an inside job.
For the first time in my life the Californians get to vote in a primary. With two good choices, no less!
I wish Edwards could have hung in there. However, I am sure he will soon realize he can do more good as a private citizen (i.e. Carter, Gore ) than as President.
Edwards has enough experience and not too much baggage.
All things considered I think I am voting for Obama.
For all you rethuglicant lurkers out there, your choices are simple:
- magic panties or Depends
- Mormon or Jew (McSundowner's more Raygun-like everyday, and JoeLie's hovering like the vulture he is)
- Serial Flipflopper or serial flipflopper
- insincere robot or temperamental zombie
- double Guantanamo or bomb Iran
- U.S. accelerates downward spiral or ...wait, oh same thing
This is why I don't watch television news.
in illinois obama was not well known. when he ran for the senate his republican opponent got caught in some wife swapping scandal and had to drop out late in the race. he ended up running against keyes and i doubt keyes could get elected to a school board anywhere. obama has good skills and seems to have been planning this run for quite awhile. he is also very lucky.
Voted for Kucinich on my mail-in ballot, despite the fact that he has dropped out.
I can sleep soundly at night, knowing that my vote did not go to a sell-out.
Come November, I won't be so lucky.
Arius Collingwood @ 13:
lol, thanks!
Wow, she's a bitch even when she's trying to be funny.
Her #9 was great, a parody of a Sam Seder line in his infamous War On Christmas debate, like "If you say merry Christmas to me, I think it kind've odd, like me wishing you happy birthday on my birthday"
For the Hilarity supporters, Clinton's '35 years of change' omits most of her career!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html
GMFORD @ 19:
I said I was torn between the two. I will not go into what being torn means, but it doesn't mean that I don't respect your choice. In the general election, I would easily vote for either one of them over any GOP candidate. My issue with Obama is that the "inspiration" that he engenders is mainly derived from his speeches, not necessarily policy ideas. Hillary is boring and robotic, but she knows what she is talking about. I could listen to Obama talk all day, everyday, but I'm not sure that his actions in office will be able to match what he says in his speeches.
As for his speeches being rehearsed, I automatically assume that when there is a teleprompter present, he has seen and gone over the speech at some point before he gives it to a large public audience. To reiterate, I do respect your choice to support Obama, and may, in fact, join you in that support when I step into a voting booth tomorrow.
PRoud...
“My Vice President will never shoot anyone in the face.”
Well, not with a firearm anyway ;P
There has to be a good internet porn joke here somewhere
Obama is funnier, he wins
Hillary's was better!!!!
The U.S can't meet
its Iraqi refugee goal. An "activist" judge stops Bush from murdering whales with sonar. China is shut down.
The Drug War is leading to dealers buying American fighter planers. Certain baby products may have toxic chemicals.
> There has to be a good internet porn joke here somewhere
The GOP's got 'The White Stuff' all over it. Totally infiltrated.
I voting for Pat Paulsen
It's uncanny how many men have shown up to call Hillary c*nt bitch and all kinds of other wicked names. Men really can be the worst and I hope and pray that Hillary washes out your mouths with a Huge victory tomorrow. What a bunch of crummy supporters Obama has who go around attacking Hillary non-stop.
We will stomp your words into the dirt and Obama will support Hillary in the end. Believe that!
30 Crackpotpress Says: PRoud…
“My Vice President will never shoot anyone in the face.”
Well, not with a firearm anyway ;P
There has to be a good internet porn joke here somewhere
That was it!
Hillary worked with a top voice coach to help her because she isn’t naturally gifted in that way as Bill is. That doesn’t make her a bad candidate though.
I think that is just smart on the job training. In this "brushing a tear" over exposure world we have, there is certain training involved to become Pres.
But at least she's smart.
Wish the last pres had some smarts training.
Kay @ 29:
Have you read his platform? Obama published an entire booklet outlining every stance and method he would pursue on every issue. It was in a booklet printed to look like a blueprint and I picked one up at my caucas here in Iowa. He does what a good leader should do: he inspires people into action. He doesn't go over his platform like a list in his speeches because his positions on the issues stand on their own.
The U.S. can't convince NATO to deal with its forgotten war in Afghanistan. Be wary of global warming tipping points.
Bush is still relying on fuzzy math to make the deficit look like a surplus.
tr @ 23:
Swapped wife was Jeri Ryan, hard to believe he got anywhere near equal value in return, so obviously not fit to negotiate for the good people of Ill. on the floor of the Senate. Keys could definitely get elected to a school board in Kansas. Obama's skills are impressive. Luck is preparedness meeting opportunity. And luck. Or destiny. Or self-determined destiny. Or a random confluence of events leading to a positive outcome. Or etc....
Jesse @ 26:
I failed to see anything bitchy about that, but somehow, I have the feeling that absolutely nothing she could have said would have made you post anything different. Seriously, this seems like all I ever hear about Hillary, how she's such a "bitch", "c*nt", etc. Can't you come up with something that doesn't make you sound like a 14-year-old?
I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but this kind of juvenile s**t is stupid, meaningless, and doesn't do anything to convince anyone that Hillary shouldn't be President. I'd say it strengthens her position - if morons like that don't want her, she must be doing something right.
This Canuck wants you all to get out and vote. The get ready to beat the crap out of those republican bastards. Good luck
"On my birthday, every American gets a cupcake."
Reminiscent of Marie Antoinette, anyone?
Arius Collingwood @ 13:
Crackpotpress @ 30:
Credit where credit's dew(sic). I'm dripping with envy, but Arius Collingwood @ 13 is the current leader in the Lenny Bruce Stakes on this thread...
how do i find out where i can vote in the primary?
35 Doug Says: I voting for Pat Paulsen.
I was at the Pat Paulson victory rally at the Aquarius Theater when Robert Kennedy was killed. I have both happy and sad memories of that night, no wonder I'm skitsoid
My 10 Presidential Campaign Promises:
10. I promise i will finally get that health care insurance i have been saving up for.
9. I promise keep up my monthly payments to the five members of the Supreme Court who appointed me.
8. I promise to keep better files on you.
7. I promise Monica Lewinski will not be my orator.
6. I promise all media coverage of Britney Spears will be censored.
5. I promise George Bush will never decide anything ever again.
4. I promise to renovate all the bridges providing shelter for veterans.
3. I promise to give Bill O’Rielly an Ambasodorship to Iraq.
2. I promise to suspend the Constitution only on weekends.
1. I promise to make English the official language of European Americans.
el-mano @ 38:
He doesn't go over his policy ideas in speeches because he knows they won't get coverage on "news" shannels. How much coverage do his published policy ideas get compared to inspiration-centered speeches. This nomination process has taught us that the election is media driven. His speeches are exciting and make for good TV, but do not focus on his ideas. He talks about a need for change and being a uniter, not policy. Also, the fact that a platform booklet was available at your caucus site does not really benefit people who were not there. Listen, I'm not saying he is a fluff candidate, I'm saying I'm not sure if his inspiration will translate into positive action once elected. Again, regardless of who I vote for tomorrow, I will vote for the Democratic candidate in November.
you might be right proud, but kansans don't usually vote for people with keye's color.
Gawd, I just hope every gets out and votes in record numbers.
Obama does think much better on his feet. When asked a question, Obama answers directly with root cause analysis. Hillary seems to pull a lot of the question doesn't matter but here is something she has been working on reply. Obama engages while Hill redirects. Leadership over manipulation anytime for me.
I thought Hillary did herself proud with Dave. Gonna vote for Obama. Wish I could have voted for Edwards.
americangoy @ 1:
No change in it's appearance in FFOX 2.0 - looks OK.
which FFOx do you use ? Maybe you need to upgrade if you are below 2.0 ? FFOX 1.7 up to 2.0 has diff built, not supported any more I believe.
Can you check with IE ? I hate it, but keep in the system for downloads (MS allows only thru the IE), and if smthg wrong w/ffox.
Danny@7 & Kay@11
Sen Obama doesn't preach. It's called campaigning, he's doing what a serious candidate should do. What do you believe Sen Clinton is doing?
Y'all are stereotyping Obama. Your comment isn't racist it's ignorant as hell.
Danny@7
Get real! A fun president?
Ali@17
Wow. A woman can do what a man can do in office. Look at what chimpy did, he's a crazy, dumb idiot.
Lafin gas,
"I think marijuana should be licensed and kept out of the hands of young people. It's too good for 'em!"
P. Paulsen
Remember his lecture on the differences b/w capitalism and communism? I miss that guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oiQhhdz8ys
lafin gas @ 38:
In that case, Ron Jeremy and Peter North just became 'long-shots' on the HRC VP shortlist, in which case 'shortlist' immediately becomes an oxymoron. My money-shot would be on Jeremy, as North runs the risk of inadvertently creating a porn version of Chappaquiddick, and we don't need another one of those.
Kay @ 50:
Obama doesn't go into the details of his policy out on the campaign trail because, well, because he knows what he's doing. Unfortunately, running for political office has very little to do with your policy stances. The vast majority of voters are not policy wonks, and do not make their decisions based on such details.
This is a largely universal truth. It's not just here in America, and it's not just in the 20th and 21st centuries. The same could be said of democratic republics throughout time.
Political campaigns are about Ethos. They're about building rapport, about making the voters feel you can be trusted, that you are "one of them," that you will fight for them. Campaigns are about projecting a certain character. Whenever I have advised candidates for office, I have emphasized projecting character, de-emphasizing resume, and reducing the policy platform to three easily-remembered, easily-digested phrases that clearly and simply convey the basic idea of what you're all about.
Look who was forced to drop out first in this race on our side: Dodd -- the resume candidate with the clear, detailed agenda of restoring the Constitution, and serious philosophical points about how to do so. (He was my first choice, by the way.) Richardson was another resume / experience candidate. Gone. Likewise for Kucinich, though he stuck it out longer than the others. Note that he has a rapport, and a strong following. He's the David vs. the Government Goliath, and people who like him love him.
This is not to say that voters are all stupid. Some are, but most of the truly stupid don't vote anyway. Regular voters are generally just too busy to pay the kind of attention we like to pay here at C&L.
Obama's supporters will largely tell you that they are inspired by him. He gives them hope. Ask for a detailed policy analysis, and most of them don't really have it on the tips of their tongues. Frankly, he's running a great campaign.
xoites defends Constitution @ 49:
:D
Mark and others..
You know what? Edwards is still on the ballot. You can still vote for him.
EDWARDS 2008!
Also, Aguilar, If Hillary wins the nom we are going to hear A LOT of Hillary is a bitch from the Repubs.
Hillary is not a bitch, but the Repubs have been a-feared and have painted her this way so their agenda could get through. of her for Good story... In 2003 my uncle (a very regular kinda guy) lived across the street from a senator who was having a big party. My uncle's partner was not well (died a few weeks later) and couldn't attend.
The senator's wife brought Bill and Hillary over for a coffee and pie visit to raise spirits.
They stayed for ninety minutes.. just chewing the fat and hanging out.
HIllary is a bitch in the same way that Elisabeth Cady Stanton was-- Strong, stubborn and threatening. The easiest way to communicate to American people is through name calling.
My definition of bitch.. kind of suits Bush more. He's a bitch to anyone who will pay him.
I’ll never forget when he (Pat Paulsen) got up to supposedly annonce and he said like “I will not run for President before it’s time” and his wristwatch alarm went off and he said like “Oh, it’s time!!!! I’m running for President!”.
IMHO Steve Colbert’s run was a total ripoff of Paulen’s many runs.
danny @ 37:
We're dicks :(
But you know how bad it sucks living in the South where A. I feel like my vote won't do anything (no, don't worry I'm still voting!) and B. our primary is on March 4?
But hey, yous guys that can, give 'em hell tomorrow!
PS: Do you guys think they'll try to make it even more historic by automatically throwing Clinton and Obama together?
56 Che’s Lounge Says:
“I think marijuana should be licensed and kept out of the hands of young people. It’s too good for ‘em!”
P. Paulsen
Remember his lecture on the differences b/w capitalism and communism? (YES I DO)
I miss that guy. (ME TOO)
my favorite punchline---"Picky,picky,picky!"
Kay @ 14:
Again with the poll tests. Apparently you and others who talk this way don't know the history of poll tests. Shouldn't we block YOU from voting, since you don't understand that the argument of testing voters has gone all the way back to 1789, and just about every liberal in history has lined up against such nonsense.
Bill Hicks' been dead for nearly fifteen years now, and he was right. Rush Limbaugh is a scat-muncher.
I'm still undecided between HRC and BO. I vote tomorrow. I think Hillary is smarter and will get more done, but I don't want Bill to take over her presidency. Eight years is enough. I like what Barak has to say, just not sure he knows how to pull all the levers and oil all the gears to make it happen. Thoughts, pointers, tips, ideas?
Either way, I'm relatively happy with both choices. Both good peeps.
tr @ 51:
Good point. Perhaps they're ready for their first token now that we're in the 21st century and all, and he's batshit thugtard crazy enuf to make up for "an unfortunate hyper-pigmentation condition", Ogilitiv.
Jesse @ 27:
Clearly her gender bothers you.
Ash Williams
Don't think the dream ticket is going to happen...
Too much personality conflict. However there was a great team spirit at the LA Debates the other night.
I think a woman and a black man would be too much for the Red States too handle.
Me -
> IMHO Steve Colbert’s run was a total ripoff of Paulen’s many runs.
Correction: Steve was honoring Pat Paulsen.
Maybe I need another correction. But I need to know this: How much of Pat Paulsen's presidential runs were written by Steve Martin?
HILLARY CLINTON VOTED FOR IRAQ WAR - AND DONT YOU FORGET IT!
Proud2bHumble @ 57:
Pure LOLZ
Stan Rosenthal @ 61:
Wait, what's this? I'll have to wiki.
70 Stan Rosenthal Says: Me -
> IMHO Steve Colbert’s run was a total ripoff of Paulen’s many runs.
Correction: Steve was honoring Pat Paulsen.
Yes Stan, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
Che's Lounge @ 56:
He was on a local station one evening during the editorial part of the news, where the (Republican) station manager would opine about this or that. There had been no fanfare about his visit. I was just lucky enough to catch it. He read a letter about the station manager, Mr Lloyd E Cooney...the letter went on for some time about what a find upstanding human being Mr. Lloyd E Cooney was, all in his deapan manner. The punchline? It was signed 'Mrs Lloyd E Cooney.'
The one word that does it for me is "change"... When people go to the polls and "change" is on their mind what name and/or person on the Dem ticket represents "change"? Clinton or Obama?
By change I might mean party (who will the warmongers have a tougher time defeating) or I might mean ideology (who represents new thought).
Either way, the choice to me is obvious.
mudshark @ 5:
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How about: Vote Obama, then press for Edwards as VP on the winning ticket. Good (the BEST) for the nation/pple, and repigs implode in huge groups.. Or, walk into sea, like lemmings ..
No more shillary on national horizon !! she never did anything for NY(my state), so why would she now ?
Orally would move to Tijuana as the First Mariachi (the biggest empty head they've seen South of the border, just fill w/dried beans and rattle)
did you read this (I posted in the other thread)
Ask Not What J.F.K. Can Do for Obama
And,
Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Sun Feb 3, 11:40 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.
The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."
Bison @ 72:
Her vote didn't change anything. Her vote was NOT for Bush's illegal violations of law, including the UN charter. The opposite, in fact:
Her speech before the vote.
It does make it much easier to think LESS once you've committed yourself to simplistic analysis and scapegoating.
Biggus Diggus @ 66:
If it makes a difference, when I was reading your post, my stomach growled after I read "BO". Like I said, if it makes a difference...
Crackpotpress @ 69:
Yeah, we'd explode in pure astonishment of such yankee shenanigans. Then we'd probably secede. :D
What about an Edwards VP?
Id love to vote/caucus....
But as an independent its a felony.
fiver @ 59:
lol, shout down diplomacy meets falafel central. I can see the footage 'proving' there's no homeless veterans under bridges in Iraq on his watch!
These are actually funnier than Obama's top ten, but my wife can't stand her voice. She's going for that Captain Janeway effect. I'd rather go for Sisko. Sadly, Archer like Edwards could only go for four seasons.
Hmmm... There's a good analogy going here...
CappuccettoRosso @ 77:
"Senator Clinton worked with Senator Schumer to secure $21.4 billion in funding to assist clean up and recovery, to provide health tracking for first responders and volunteers at Ground Zero, and to create grants for redevelopment. In 2005, Clinton issued two studies that examined the disbursement of federal homeland security funds to local communities and first responders."
"As an advocate for her state, Senator Clinton led a bipartisan effort to bring broadband access to rural communities; co-sponsored the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act; included language in the Energy Bill to provide tax exempt bonding authority for environmentally conscious construction projects; and introduced an amendment calling for funding of new job creation to repair, renovate and modernize public schools."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hillary_Clinton#Senate_Career
She also brought Asia's largest IT firm to tax-strapped Buffalo.
http://www.tata.com/tcs/releases/20030310.htm
>> I’ll never forget when he (Pat Paulsen) got up to supposedly annonce and he said like “I will not run for President before it’s time” and his wristwatch alarm went off and he said like “Oh, it’s time!!!! I’m running for President!”.
> Wait, what’s this? I’ll have to wiki.
Steve Martin was a writer for the Smothers Brothers show.
PissedofColoradian @ 80:
In California, you could vote on the Dem primary ballot by checking a box on the ballot saying you wish to (so-called open primaries -- the R in CA don't allow that, so-called closed primaries).
I guess it's where he got his start (which reminds me of one of my favorite Steve Martin bits, he said "I help charities. In fact, I help the Unwed Mothers. I help them get their start.")
#66 Bigguss
Smarter on how to manipulate or like the republicans suppressing votes or many of the things that have happened over who knows how many years like voting machines, is not how we should be thinking. We know that the right wing media will bring out everything, past or present to vilify Hillary. There is no left wing media. I think the best choice, without Edwards being a candidate, is Obama
i luved pat paulsen's runs, i luved his campaign slogan: "we can't stand pat."
personally i enjoyed fremont the bug's run for president back in the walt kelly comic stirp pogo. his campaign slogan (actually, the only words he could say) was "jes' fine."
i've voting in tomorrow's primary, and to be completely honest, i haven't made up my mind yet.
hillary and obama and mccain, to me, are all around in the same area of political thought, with romney more tothe right.
i wanted to vote for edwards, but it would be pointless now.
Bison @ 72:
But please forget Obama just votes to fund it.
Blaed @ 47:
Google "election commission" for your county/town. Should give you a site you can look up by address.
Seriously, though, dude you need to try to do a little better advance planning. don't waste your vote cuz you waited til the last minute to ask for directions.
#89 Marco
Please, If George and Dick refuse to bring them back, they need funding.
Vote so there won't be any more Republican budgets like the one Bush submitted to Congress today. It was so radioactive it glowed in the dark.
thepoetryman @ 76:
The "change" meme has certainly gained momentum, which is not surprising, given the progressivism "change" implies. It's a big word, and it means a lot. An even bigger word to me is "Bill". With the right bills, you can get a lot of change. Unit for unit, the smallest bill is worth more than the biggest change, except of course the Susan B. Anthony, which is still smaller than all but the smallest bill. And then there's Bill. Though taking a beating in the MSM lately with the 'loose cannon' meme, if HRC wins the WH she'll be sleeping with someone who has a great deal of experience in the Oval Office, and not just with cigars...
Quit being coy, you tease, just tell us who you're gonna pick, we gotta know!
Just playin'
Paul in LA @ 78
You vote for what the resolution actually says not whatever make believe bs you say in a speech to try and cover your ass.
Let's not forget her husband bombed the crap out of Serbia without UN approval also.
Skippy, IMHO the best bet is to vote Obama tommorow. Mainly because of the coattail effect, but when comparing with McCAin't, because of the SC justices he would appoint (as compared to either Clinton or Obama. In that reguard there's a *BIG* difference between McCAinceint and Borac or Hillary, IMHO.)
(and Skippy, I link to your blog on my blogroll. I got street cred. ;-) )
GDliberal @ 94:
Yes, but for many years afterward Serbia was virtually crap-free, and the ethnic cleansing slowed down some too. No oil though, unless you count the potential for pipelines from further east they were looking at at the time. Ah, for simpler times... that never existed.
I can't believe Edwards dropped out before Super Tuesday. I was hoping for some kind of miracle to make him a factor. He was Americas best hope. Now we get 4 years of President McCain. Damn it!
I can’t believe Edwards dropped out before Super Tuesday. I was hoping for some kind of miracle to make him a factor. He was Americas best hope. Now we get 4 years of President McCain. Damn it!
Edwards dropped out because the media wouldn't give him any face time. People, wake up! our choices are still being controled by the right wing media.
GDliberal @ 94 "You vote for what the resolution actually says not whatever make believe bs you say in a speech to try and cover your ass."
Wow, well that's an incredibly weak analysis. Her speech is quite clear about what she was voting for, and her vote did not change a thing. Were she to cater to your perspective, she could have voted Nay, and nothing would have been different, because the treason we have suffered is, as she said back in the 90s, a "vast rightwing conspiracy."
"Let's not forget her husband bombed the crap out of Serbia without UN approval also."
Clinton, by which you mean NATO, bombed Bosnia and (the environs of) Kosovo to stop a genocide, which it did. Samantha Power, in her book on genocide, credits that bombing with saving 150,000 lives.
Ron @ '99' (I love that number), I think we know that our choices have been chosen by the Lame Stream Media (the "vast right wing conspiracy" (First Lady Clinton.)) I suggest you go out in the right-wing (lousy excuse of a) blogosphere and preach. *NOT* Ron Paul blogs, they have recently figured out your excellent point.
Paul -
> ... as she said back in the 90s, a “vast rightwing conspiracy.” ...
Great minds think alike (and at the same time!!!! "Synchronicity"!)
Nice, at least Dave is fair and balanced in his coverage.
Firefox 2.0 looks good for me at 1280x1024
Stan Rosenthal @ 102:
And so do we, but what's that got to do with The Police?
Paul in LA @ 64:
That had nothing to do with a requisite test to become eligible to vote. I said uninformed people should not be encouraged to make an uninformed choice that has consequences for everyone else, NOT that they should be banned or prevented from voting. Anyone who has paid any attention to the direction of the political discourse in this country over the last few years knows that Hillary voted for the resolution.
People have every right to vote, even if they have no idea what is going on, but I wouldn't encourage them to do so. Ideally, everyone would be engaged, and we could collectively come to a decision that benefits a plurality of the country. Too many people are quick to want to use their right to vote, but remain derelict in their duty to know what they are voting on. My point is that if someone is clueless, I would prefer that they not make an uninformed choice that can impact the rest of us, while fully understanding that they have the right to vote. If you want to encourage people to utilize their right to vote, don't start by simply telling them to go out and vote, encourage them to first educate themselves on the issues, then go and vote.
> And so do we, but what’s that got to do with The Police?
To know that, you have to know the definition of the word 'synchronicity'. I suggest checking out a Merrium-Webster's for the definition.
That had nothing to do with a requisite test to become eligible to vote. I said uninformed people should not be encouraged to make an uninformed choice that has consequences for everyone else, NOT that they should be banned or prevented from voting. Anyone who has paid any attention to the direction of the political discourse in this country over the last few years knows that Hillary voted for the resolution.
People have every right to vote, even if they have no idea what is going on, but I wouldn’t encourage them to do so. Ideally, everyone would be engaged, and we could collectively come to a decision that benefits a plurality of the country. Too many people are quick to want to use their right to vote, but remain derelict in their duty to know what they are voting on. My point is that if someone is clueless, I would prefer that they not make an uninformed choice that can impact the rest of us, while fully understanding that they have the right to vote. If you want to encourage people to utilize their right to vote, don’t start by simply telling them to go out and vote, encourage them to first educate themselves on the issues, then go and vote.
I consider that a reasonable request but most are very aware of the situations that exist in the present day.
Also worth noting about the NATO war in Yugoslavia:
"Human Rights Watch reports that as few as 489 and as many as 528 civilians were killed in the ninety separate incidents in Operation Allied Force."
The three-month air war, with 38,000 sorties, only killed 600 civilians.
Killed 600. Saved 150,000.
Yep, you can hang that disgusting statistic around the necks of the Clintons, all right.
(And a hat-tip to General Clark, btw, who did the impossible).
I thought Hillary was pretty good tonight on David Letterman.
Obama is a great politician and an inspirational man but Hillary is going to absolutely wreak havoc in D.C. in the best of ways because she knows where all the bodies are buried and how the system can work a President and she'll work it right back getting us all back on track as a reasonably decent nation....
Kay @ 105, OK, sorry, I over-interpreted your word "encouraged."
EVERYONE should be encouraged to vote, and all the votes should be counted. That's our basic franchise, and a TON of well-enough informed people who believe absolute shit will vote in November, nothing we can do about it.
More to the point, people should be educated, so that they are worthy of the franchise. But there is no way to separate out the uniformed from those who believe shit and vote their beliefs. Luckily, those who can be educated generally turn out to be less bigoted and believing in total shit afterward.
thought Hillary was pretty good tonight on David Letterman.
Obama is a great politician and an inspirational man but Hillary is going to absolutely wreak havoc in D.C. in the best of ways because she knows where all the bodies are buried and how the system can work a President and she’ll work it right back getting us all back on track as a reasonably decent nation….
JT
I'm sorry but, they know everything about the Clintons, right or wrong, true or untrue, but they will bring it up to the uninformed on a daily basis. You know that they don't care about facts.
Stan Rosenthal @ 106:
You may not think what I mean: synchronicity
Also, "the quality or fact of being synchronous"
Oh that's definitely what I had in mind as well. And I think the Police had the idea of looking up the word in a dictionary as well ...
Stan Rosenthal @ 113:
I reverentially defer to the reverend of referencing...
I think I'm having a post-synchrotic flashback... sorry, I have a lot of periods too.........
Hillary:
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008
Obama:
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008
Romney:
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00000286&cycle=2008
Paul:
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008
Now, I'm no mathematician, but if progressives and liberals are concerned about "corporatism" in this country, and if you think that is the worst thing, your choice is in the spotlight.
Of course, the troops have taken a backseat in the MSM since the economy tanked, but if you support the troops and want the war to end (bring them home), if you hate corporatism, I don't know how any of you could possibly think Obama or Clinton is going to "change" the country. The only change they will do is a "tinkering". What we need is an OVERHAUL.
Ha ha ha. How many babies were bombed in your name today, Americans?
lwps @ 117:
Those babies were certainly NOT bombed in the name of ordinary citizens you idiot. They were bombed by a psycho President who thinks he is acting on behalf of us.
And the fact that you are laughing about babies being bombed makes you a sick, sick, sick person.
Be off!
It's your department of redundancy department (if somehow McCain't gets elected as President), Proud ...
Drew @ 116:
Well, the country is still relatively new, and though she's been ridden hard and put away wet in recent years, most of her parts are still serviceable. An overhaul would be very expensive and time consuming. I say we just sell it to some Chinese dude and buy Canada. I know the weather's a little colder, but it'll be warming up soon enough...
Paul in LA @ 100
It doesn't matter what she says, the vote was for the actual resolution, otherwise in the senate we could have 100 versions of the same law. Don't believe me, fine. If you ever go to court for breaking a law find what some dumb pol said about it when they voted for it and give it to a judge and see what the judge says. Probably something that starts with dipshit
You said
Her vote was NOT for Bush’s illegal violations of law, including the UN charter.
and then
Clinton, by which you mean NATO...
This is why so many Liberals hate dems, you make excuses for your own but condemn others. Neither did what they should have done, no matter what the outcome.
Paul in LA @ 108
Yep, you can hang that disgusting statistic...
Actually about 500 LIBERALS from around the world held a trial a few years after it and found them(him not her and others including clark) guilty of war crimes based on their actions not the outcome.
The ends justifies the means, sounds like dubya speaking about Iraq or what the germans would have said if they'd won WWII.
But hey, keep defending them, I like comedy.
lwps @ 117:
I put myself down for seven at the grocery store. They were having one of their seasonal drives.
Stan Rosenthal @ 119:
Could you put that another way that I might understand better, or re-word it somehow(to paraphrase)?
Proud2bHumble @ 120:
LOL,
If Canada's bought, then maybe Obama will have to re-flip-flop (again) in his position on marijuana. But wait, he voted in favor of REAL ID, so that means you can't cross the border if you are not branded a friend to the state. At least you have your privacy....oh wait, he voted in favor of the Patriot Act as well, damn........as bad as this is at least he will try to contain Presidential powers......oh damn again, he voted in favor of extending the President's powers (probably so that he himself can use them later on).
There's always Phuket.
Paul in LA @ 110:
But, no, I agree, Kay, we do not need to do GOTV campaigns in rightwing neighborhoods.
I didn't mean to conflate your point with some others here who have espoused poll tests. Sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU7AugEq2Ug
VOTE FOR KUCINICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is the best damn democrat in the country.
Drew @ 116:
And exactly how is Ron Paul going to do this all by his little lonesome self?
I don't deny that autarky is an admirable goal.
But is it realistic?
And here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LehCxhHPXQ8&NR=1
Paul in LA @ 125:
A little O/T here, but have you seen tyree lately? She owes me $$ or sweet sweet dew. LOL
Thing Fish @ 127:
A President cannot "DO" everything himself. But he can bring all the troops home right away. He has that power.
With the money, he can tie over those who have become dependent on the welfare state that cannot last. He can at least start a new philosophy in government. THAT will go a long way.
McCain't.
Proud2bHumble @ 129:
I'm telling you, who knew?
ceti @ 82:
kennedy = captn kirk?
Drew @ 130:
Can a president really do that Remember what happen to Eisenhower v. MacArthur. And Lincoln had a hell of a time with McClellan. The president leads just one third of what makes up the U.S. government.
And anyone with a blog or street corner can start a new philosophy. That only goes a long way only if you can get a major majority behind you.
Thing Fish @ 134:
Yes, but in today's age, what the President thinks and what he says has WAAAAAAY more effect on the nation than a street corner. I think you will agree that truth doesn't always win out, so...
Drew @ 124:
LOL,
If Canada's bought, then maybe Obama will have to re-flip-flop (again) in his position on marijuana. But wait, he voted in favor of REAL ID, so that means you can't cross the border if you are not branded a friend to the state. At least you have your privacy....oh wait, he voted in favor of the Patriot Act as well, damn........as bad as this is at least he will try to contain Presidential powers......oh damn again, he voted in favor of extending the President's powers (probably so that he himself can use them later on).
There's always Phuket.
One of the main goals of herbal participation is the enjoyably relaxing ambivalence it invokes, so he's probably high much of the time when he contemplates this issue, although I have no idea what positions he's in at those times. I'm waiting....Ok, nothing happened. Was something supposed to happen? I'll continue. I think its a sign of personal balance that he voted for a REAL ID, since he obviously has a REAL EGO. How do you know I have my privacy - have you been watching me? Waiting again...still nothing. So he believes in acting patriotic, so what. I want my presidential candidates to act patriotic, and they all have been, even to the point where you could say some of them are hamming it up a bit (especially the Reps). I also don't see anything wrong with the president having longer powers. I've sometimes considered getting an extension myself, but I'm afraid it'll hurt too much and might not work right afterwards. But I would definitely want to use my 'powers' if I had 'them' extended, duh! I don't know why you state the obvious, fuck it, but at least spell it right.
Paul in LA @ 132:
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
If you have any proof at all that the poster we know here as tyree is a "child crack whore" than put up the proof.
Paul in LA @ 132:
Ali @ 17:
You're forgetting Mike Gravel, as is everyone else here. You piss and moan about not having real choice but ignore it because it's not "viable". Enjoy the next 4 years that you and your countrymen deserve.
GDliberal @ 121 "It doesn't matter what she says, the vote was for the actual resolution,"
Her actual vote didn't change anything. All of the Dems could have voted Nay and the war would have happened anyhow. It's a coup.
I find it highly suspicious that you would try to outright ignore the content of her speech, and instead try to litmus test it on Yea or Nay, when that actual difference is ZIP.
"This is why so many Liberals hate dems,"
I am a liberal. If you 'hate' dems, that has nothing to do with being a liberal.
"you make excuses for your own but condemn others. Neither did what they should have done, no matter what the outcome."
That's a ludicrous analysis. The OUTCOME is 150,000 persons' lives saved, according to an independent observer. Also, 150,000 persons who happen to be Muslim, which arguably strengthened our national security.
"guilty of war crimes based on their actions not the outcome."
That's nice, and a lot what you call 'liberals' spent a lot of time defending THE RACIST mass-murderer Milosoevich. I've marched plenty with ANSWER, I know their line, and it's --unsupportable-- as regards Milosevich.
"But hey, keep defending them, I like comedy.
But hey, get an analysis that actually honors the complexity of the situation. Your leftist dogma is based on ignoring the complexity of national relations, and instead wishes to litmus test actions in a vacuum, and ignore what every fair court in existence, the defense. So your court is unjust. Have fun with that.
fiver @ 137:
I think he wants video or at least pictures, Paul. Maybe her pimps number too.
Sorry, left out a word;
"Your leftist dogma is based on ignoring the complexity of national relations, and instead wishes to litmus test actions in a vacuum, and ignore what every fair court in existence HONORS, the defense. So your court is unjust."
Proud2bHumble @ 136:
One of the main goals of herbal participation is the enjoyably relaxing ambivalence it invokes, so he's probably high much of the time when he contemplates this issue, although I have no idea what positions he's in at those times. I'm waiting....Ok, nothing happened. Was something supposed to happen? I'll continue. I think its a sign of personal balance that he voted for a REAL ID, since he obviously has a REAL EGO. How do you know I have my privacy - have you been watching me? Waiting again...still nothing. So he believes in acting patriotic, so what. I want my presidential candidates to act patriotic, and they all have been, even to the point where you could say some of them are hamming it up a bit (especially the Reps). I also don't see anything wrong with the president having longer powers. I've sometimes considered getting an extension myself, but I'm afraid it'll hurt too much and might not work right afterwards. But I would definitely want to use my 'powers' if I had 'them' extended, duh! I don't know why you state the obvious, fuck it, but at least spell it right.
Ambivalence is definitely key, but Obama was surely not in such a mood when he decided that torture, wire-tapping, and other absolutely anti-American things that are in the patriot act are OK. Sure he didn't think of them himself, but for Pete's sake, how many more democrats do we have to go through before someone has the moral courage to stand up for liberty? I'm waiting...not sure if you have your privacy, right now somebody could be reading this as....I....type....BOO!...If you have no problems if the President has more powers, then what happens if that President is, um...bad inside?...I would not want to wait long...8 years is DEFINITELY long enough. I had no idea how much damage one can do in only 8 years. Amazing.
At least she didn't talk about the first husband not shooting anybody in the face....
Bambi Tyree is the new Britney.
News at 11:00, famed child crackwhore blog-poster Bambi Tyree--photos at 11:00 PM. Come on back.
Chopvac @ 144:
No, but I have heard her mention pearl necklaces before. Does that count?
that @ 139:
[Blame troll]
Drew @ 135:
Effective how? For example, Bush has been effective promoting a derisive attitude towards the American though his single minded ineptitude.
But really I can't continue this tonight. I've have to get up in the morning, get things done, vote... so if you don't mind I'll just call it a night.
>> It’s your department of redundancy department (if somehow McCain’t gets elected as President), Proud …
> Could you put that another way that I might understand better, or re-word it somehow(to paraphrase)?
Not without being redundant, my friend. :-)
Drew @ 143:
Ambivalence is definitely key, but Obama was surely not in such a mood when he decided that torture, wire-tapping, and other absolutely anti-American things that are in the patriot act are OK. Sure he didn't think of them himself, but for Pete's sake, how many more democrats do we have to go through before someone has the moral courage to stand up for liberty? I'm waiting...not sure if you have your privacy, right now somebody could be reading this as....I....type....BOO!...If you have no problems if the President has more powers, then what happens if that President is, um...bad inside?...I would not want to wait long...8 years is DEFINITELY long enough. I had no idea how much damage one can do in only 8 years. Amazing.
The Patriot Act sucks. The idea of a unitary executive sucks. Those who attempt a full frontal assault on the big money oligarchy that is so deeply entrenched in our country do not get very far. They've been digging in for a long time and much as we'd like to we're not going to take away their undue influence overnight. Gesundheit.
Priorities:
1. Get the Rethuglitards out.
2. Get the most progressive electable candidates in.
3. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
Or, if you don't want to wait that long, French Revolutionize their asses..."Ambivalence is the key".
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