Coincidences? http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/02/05/p23103

I hate Edwards supporters even more
now. Anyway, the service sector is in the crapper.
The CIA admits to water-boarding at least three
suspects. Bush threatens to veto
anti-immunity legislation.

Obama is a very good speaker, but part of it is because he uses teleprompters. It has an incredible unconscious effect though, people thinking that this is truly a spontaneous speech from the heart.

I want Obama, but I don't know how I feel about this. There was an article comparing the speaking abilities of MLK to Obama, Clinton, Mccain.

For now, this is interesting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-mance/cold-calculating-hillary_b_85149...

you got SOME sense of humor, lady! :lol:

Wow, another shining example of that oh-so-zany John McCain sense of humor. Almost as hilarious as "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran"...

People
Who elect Republican people

Are the stupidest people
In the world!

And Repubicans
In positions of power

Are the most dangerous people
In the world!

I couldn't even finish watching that.

Why do you hate Edwards supporters? Because they're supporting the only anti-corporate, anti-war candidate? Because they're flipping off the corporate media by saying "we won't vote for who you tell us to vote for?"

If Obama can't get the majority of the votes in the primary, he doesn't win. Obama is NOT Edwards. Obama has taken 10's of millions from the same corporations that have driven this country into the recession (soon to be depression) we're in. He's not a progressive, he's not even a liberal. As an Edwards supporter, why on EARTH should I support him? Because he speaks well? Uses the word "change"? Whatever.

Ruthless People @ 8:

Why is it when Republicans try to be funny it comes off as mean spirited?

From your mouth to Darwin's ear! (I don't believe in God, so I thought this might work.)

I remember watching a few clips from that The Half Hour News Hour piece of crap, and far too many of the 'bits' made me absolutely uncomfortable. Like when someone is flipping out and acting in appropriate in a social situation, and people are trying to be polite but they can't look directly at said someone. For example, the "commemorative plates" celebrating the liberals who wanted to "cut and run" from Iraq. Ten plates with various Democrats who stood up to protest the war and tried to end it. Ha?

This clip just reminds me of how much I USED to like McCain. He used to seem like a real human being, with some hard-line conservative views but a reasonably moderate approach to government. Now, he's just a nutjob warmonger. (But at least he used to have a sense of humor about himself.) This clip also reminds me of how much I don't like Streisand's music. :)

fuck.

WAY too early to call CA

Hillary won Cali mostly because ~72% of Asians voted for her while less than 30% voted for Obama and among Hispanics ~65% voted for Hillary while a mere ~30% voted for Obama.

I'd like to thank all the minority douchbags. Thanks a lot, idiots! You have proven that you're shallow and thoughtless.

Hillary gave a great speech tonight. I didn't vote her, but if she wins she will do well.

Dear Edwards voters in CA.....

Your man is no longer in the race. Please chose someone that is still running.

Sincerely,

Reality

CheeryEyes @ 23:

Hillary won Cali mostly because ~72% of Asians voted for her while less than 30% voted for Obama and among Hispanics ~65% voted for Hillary while a mere ~30% voted for Obama.

I'd like to thank all the minority douchbags. Thanks a lot, idiots! You have proven that you're shallow and thoughtless.

Well, that was an inflaming way to put it....but....I believe your stats. I have seen plenty of reports that hispanics do not trust Obama and the same with Asian communities. It is very sad to see racism in the political spectrum and unfortunately for Obama, he will face exponentially greater amounts of it if he gets the Democratic nod.

Clintons have done a thorough job of ensuring that Obama is the "black" candidate. One more reason why I hate a politician that will use GOP/Rovian tactics.

CheeryEyes @ 23:

Hillary won Cali mostly because ~72% of Asians voted for her while less than 30% voted for Obama and among Hispanics ~65% voted for Hillary while a mere ~30% voted for Obama.

I'd like to thank all the minority douchbags. Thanks a lot, idiots! You have proven that you're shallow and thoughtless.

Just how many Asians are there in California? I think the most Asians could care less about who wins and who doesn't. There are more Caucasians and Hispanics than asians in California and i'm sure less than 50% of the Asian population is registered to vote.

The democratic nomination is going to be decided at the convention, folks. Hope those Super Delegates are able to pick the right horse.

CD:

I’d be amazed if most Asians voted for Hillary rather than Obama.

They like keeping blacks away from universities by calling it "reverse discrimination", so why are you surprised.

Good point Mike.... =)

Scott in Chicago google "absentee ballots"

Tequila @ 14:

Zeppy: Edwards isn't even running any more! He was a loser then, and he's a loser now. And Obama can't get support, because certain nameless voters have it in for him, because their horse was a bad bet. If they don't like losing, they should back a real winner, not sabotage the winner for the other 49% of us Obama voters.

Bullshit. Throughout the country, reports are that Obama got most of the Edwards support. Dunno about California. But what's your beef? It was a solid night for Obama. The only real loser tonight was on the GOP side: Mittsie is g-g-g-g-g-GONE.

As of now, Edwards has ~119,000 votes in CA.... that is a lot of absentee ballots, no? I'm williing to conceed that people voted for him before he dropped out. But that many? Hmm....

CheeryEyes @ 23:

Hillary won Cali mostly because ~72% of Asians voted for her while less than 30% voted for Obama and among Hispanics ~65% voted for Hillary while a mere ~30% voted for Obama.

I'd like to thank all the minority douchbags. Thanks a lot, idiots! You have proven that you're shallow and thoughtless.

Okay, I voted for Obama.....

As someone who is bi-racial (white/asian) I really think that your observation need a bit of fine tuning when it comes to routing out all the "minority douchbags".

Turn it down a notch...Hillary just may win...

Kevin:

The only real loser tonight was on the GOP side: Mittsie is g-g-g-g-g-GONE.

Yeah, I really want the religious nut or the military nut to be able to beat Hillary. Anyway, in spite of his populist bs, I guess Edwards really is the white guy who kept the black man down.

Crackpotpress @ 25:

Hillary gave a great speech tonight. I didn't vote her, but if she wins she will do well.

Remember how she followed through on that whole healthcare thing in the 90's? Especially after the insurance companies came a knocking with those sacks of money.

Tequila @ 3:

I hate Edwards supporters even more
now. Anyway, the service sector is in the crapper.
The CIA admits to water-boarding at least three
suspects. Bush threatens to veto
anti-immunity legislation.

why hate Edward supporters, what makes you think they would have voted your way? Edwards should have stayed in and taken his share.

Peter:

If a Republican were to win the presidency which one would cause you the least pain?

Romney, because he's like the Kerry of his party. He's not someone who'd rock the boat, but he is someone who'd at least clean up the mess of the last guy.

I checked local SF results at 9:30 and that 15% was entirely absentee/mail-in. Based on that, Clinton did indeed have a large margin over Obama. Then I reloaded the page 20 minutes later and with 5.4% of the election-day results added the margin closed considerably. A lot has happened since people first started mailing in their ballots.

http://www.sfgov.org/site/elections_index.asp?id=70716

http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/dem/59.htm

Travis @ 49:

Crackpotpress @ 25:

Hillary gave a great speech tonight. I didn't vote her, but if she wins she will do well.

Remember how she followed through on that whole healthcare thing in the 90's? Especially after the insurance companies came a knocking with those sacks of money.

Could have been sacks of money or could have been the savage media attacks she endured for trying to be just a little ahead of her time. I don't recall a first lady who had so much crap thrown at her as Hillary did.

Tequila @ 47:

Kevin:

The only real loser tonight was on the GOP side: Mittsie is g-g-g-g-g-GONE.

Yeah, I really want the religious nut or the military nut to be able to beat Hillary. Anyway, in spite of his populist bs, I guess Edwards really is the white guy who kept the black man down.

Sorry, I'm not biting. Some shoulder chips are glued down too well to waste the effort, but go find a real enemy to rail against instead of creating new ones.

Tequila @ 14:

Zeppy: Edwards isn't even running any more! He was a loser then, and he's a loser now. And Obama can't get support, because certain nameless voters have it in for him, because their horse was a bad bet. If they don't like losing, they should back a real winner, not sabotage the winner for the other 49% of us Obama voters.

You know some Edwards supporters did support Obama

Already, at least three of Edwards' California co-chairs --- including San Franciscans Jeff Anderson and Jeff Soukup -- have decided to go O. Over the past few days Anderson has canvassed many key Edwards players across the state and found that about half are ready to move "and 90 percent of those are breaking for Obama."

California isn't an all or nothing race. Some of the delegates Obama did get may have come from the help of some Edwards supporters.

I can't speak for those who did vote for Edwards. But maybe you should reconsider the ad hominem attack.

Tequila @ 35:

CD: I’d be amazed if most Asians voted for Hillary rather than Obama.

They like keeping blacks away from universities by calling it "reverse discrimination", so why are you surprised.

Because statements like these are a little over the top.

Kevin: Why aren't you biting? Edwards let Bush steal the black vote in Ohio, and now he's succeeded in siphoning the white votes from Obama.

ticktock: By they, I meant the types of Asians who vote Hillary, not Obama. The entrenched and assimilated ones living in upscale white neighborhoods.

Tequila @ 53:

Peter:

If a Republican were to win the presidency which one would cause you the least pain?

Romney, because he's like the Kerry of his party. He's not someone who'd rock the boat, but he is someone who'd at least clean up the mess of the last guy.

A fair assessment. I think it would be difficult judgment call between Romney and McCain. They've both renounced much more liberal positions previously held. Hoping to appeal to that ol' base their always talking about. You'd almost have to hope the one who is telling us the biggest lies now were the winner in that sad eventuality.

CD,

as of 9:51 Pacific:

LA County: 8.1% reporting
Alameda County: 0%
San Francisco: 0%
San Diego: 8.3%

As reported by http://vote.ss.ca.gov/

Only 16.7% of the vote are in, and those are not from the most populous counties. Seems a real shame that the networks called it so soon. They had a whole night to drag results and entertain us an audience. Instead they called it early, let the A list go to bed, and queued the talking heads.

I'm sorry, but this scares me to death. McCain vs Clinton is the one chance the repubs have for retaining the White House, and if they do, it's good-bye Supreme Court to the far right, and good-by forty years of civil rights achievements. I've posted before that when Kerry was nominated, Bush led him in national polls, about 52%-48%, and a year of campaigning failed to nudge those numbers a bit. People hate Clinton, and think McCain is some likable independent moderate republican. I don't see anything changing that before the election. Those whole appeal of McCain right now is his ELECTABILITY. I hope I'm wrong. But I think I'm right.

VoR @ 27:

Dear Edwards voters in CA.....

Your man is no longer in the race. Please chose someone that is still running.

Sincerely,

Reality

Dear Owner of a Time Machine -

Please loan me your device. I sent in my ballot before he dropped out. I need your time machine to go back and change what I did.

Equally sincerely,

Reality & Knowledge

ps. too bad your guy can't get win without help; neither could mine

Hillary hasn't won any caucuses because they are so public, and her supporters tend to wear McCain 08 pins.

In Colorado, 118,000 Dems voted, versus 40,000 Repugs. I'd like to see the numbers nationwide.

The GOP tends to have the older people, who participate relatively heavily in off-year and primary elections. How are they going to triple their turnout in November?

"How are they going to triple their turnout in November?"

Hillary.

Oh God no, please don't let Hillary be the Dem frontrunner.

Talk about being shooting yourself in the foot!

It will go into history as one of the dumbest political plays ever if Hillary becomes the Dem nominee in '08.

There is still a glimmer of hope, so Democrats, please don't fook this up. At this critical historical moment, step out and cast off the stigma of being cowardly, naive collectivist defeatists, and don't gamble on loosing an election that is practically handed to you. The current crises also represent a big opportunity for real change.

There is no reason for such a gamble, -there is nothing to gain.

Please, in one moment, change everything anyone has said about you, and create your own reputation as the party that saved America, and maybe even the world and freedom and prosperity for the human race.

I don't underestimate the effect of stupidity, ignorance and naivite in the Democratic ranks, but there must be an awful lot of infiltrators and provocateurs in places in the Democratic party. No-one can manage to be so big loosers time after time without someone making a conscious effort to sabotage things on the inside.

After 8 years of Clinton which lead right into Bush, -the most disastrous Presidency in American history, how can Americans set themselves up, even making the gamble, for the same or at least very similar once again? Are you all masochists?

Such a divisive character as Hillary is sure to leave many Dems (the active true liberal community) home on election night, and will depend on her somewhat shallow and boring fooking establishment base to vote for her. She will never energize the Democratic party, -she will make sure there is a third party running which will steal a considerable amount of the liberal and progressive vote. She is the only chance Republicans have of getting the next presidency in a remotely legal way.

Hillary and McCain competing for the "centrist" (read: THERE IS NO SUCH THING) vote. is exactly what your/our corporate masters want. Again, there is no such thing, -unless you mean UNABLE-TO-DECIDE-RIGHT-FROM-WRONG-ON-ANY-ISSUE. What you know as "centrist" is the position the main stream media represent, a political position that blows in the wind and basically makes your ideas and morals into pudding.

Argh, it's bad news if America cannot even muster to nominate Obama, the only viable candidate that might represent change for the good. Obama has such momentum that he will be impossible to stop if Dems only manage to make him their nominee.

John @ 67:

CD,

as of 9:51 Pacific:

LA County: 8.1% reporting
Alameda County: 0%
San Francisco: 0%
San Diego: 8.3%

As reported by http://vote.ss.ca.gov/

Only 16.7% of the vote are in, and those are not from the most populous counties. Seems a real shame that the networks called it so soon. They had a whole night to drag results and entertain us an audience. Instead they called it early, let the A list go to bed, and queued the talking heads.

Here is the thing- Clinton was clearly supposed to have large numbers in the Southern CA. The yet uncounted Bay Area will carry a massive amount of Obama support.

Did McCain read his acceptance speech? And is anyone else tired of him trotting out his 96 year old mom? I know WHY he's doing it, trying to show that 72 isn't THAT old, but heckfire, He's 2 years older than the tired old man named Reagan was when he was elected.... OR is he just a momma's boy?

CD @ 82:

On the bright side if both Hillary and McCain are nominated it will upset hate radio to no end.

Where's the downside?

On the downside we'll end up with either President Hillary or 100-years-in-Iraq -McCain.

katsiskats @ 85:

CD @ 82:

On the bright side if both Hillary and McCain are nominated it will upset hate radio to no end.

Where's the downside?

Both McCain and Hillary are the same right-of-center candidate running on the same failed Bush policies.

Fuck!

I like what NPR said about Mexican Americans voting for Hillary. It went something like, "they remember the Clinton years and aren't informed enough to vote for Obama."

Bunch of jackasses who want us to lose and then get deported by McCain.

Can I ask a favor? When the gays are all in concentration camps, and the women are not allowed to make their own healthcare choices, and our country is in the middle of WWIII, and the gap between the rich and the poor has become too great to ever repair... will all the Hillary supporters who handed the supreme court 2-3 right wing judges and McCain the presidency say they're sorry?

Jacob @ 77:

"How are they going to triple their turnout in November?"

Hillary.

I used to worry about this, too, but I think the Anyone But the Republican vote is going to be huge from White House to school board now. The religious right will not turn out for McCain -- Dobson has already called a boycott -- and may well run a third party candidate. And a fourth, stark raving loony party, featuring Tancredo or an acolyte will take lots of immigration and gun nuts, including a lot of the more rabid Hillary haters.

The numbers are clear: The GOP is doomed.

Guy Fawkes @ 94:

Nick @ 81:

John @ 67:

CD,

as of 9:51 Pacific:

LA County: 8.1% reporting
Alameda County: 0%
San Francisco: 0%
San Diego: 8.3%

As reported by http://vote.ss.ca.gov/

Only 16.7% of the vote are in, and those are not from the most populous counties. Seems a real shame that the networks called it so soon. They had a whole night to drag results and entertain us an audience. Instead they called it early, let the A list go to bed, and queued the talking heads.

Here is the thing- Clinton was clearly supposed to have large numbers in the Southern CA. The yet uncounted Bay Area will carry a massive amount of Obama support.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but looking at the updated results in the SF bay Area, only in Marin County is Obama leading at all. So much for the massive amount of Obama support, which is clearly the result of self-delusion among his followers and media hype.

Are you honestly a Clinton supporter? I have yet to meet an educated person that is involved in politics that supports her. That especially the case among those who identify themselves as true progressives.

uncle joe mccarthy @ 92:

fact remains...hispanics are more racist towards blacks in cali

i do not blame either side, they have been pitted against each other by the power elite

and the dumbass thing the do is vote for hillary, who will continue this race vs race struggle to keep her power base

im sick to my stomach

Already, we are seeing racist, anti-Hispanic sentiments by Obama's followers seeking revenge for Obama's loss of California.

McCain Confirms It: A Vote for Him Is a Vote for a Third Bush Term
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 1:24pm. Alerts
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT
DNC Press

Washington, DC - During appearances on Fox News Sunday and CBS's Face the Nation, John McCain made it clear: a vote for him is a vote for a third Bush term. Echoing his earlier statement that we could be in Iraq for 100 years, he said again that he would continue Bush's never ending civil war in Iraq. "We have to take care of the world's security," McCain said.

"The choice between the Democrats and Republicans couldn't be more clear. A vote for John McCain is a vote for a third Bush term with a never ending war in Iraq and an economy that favors those at the top. A vote for a Democrat is a vote to bring our troops home from Iraq, for an economy that works for all Americans, and a return to America's priorities," said Democratic National Committee Press Secretary Stacie Paxton.

McCain: A Third Bush Term
"They want to have the government run the health care system in America. I want the private sector to do it. On the issue of national security policy, there are very sharp differences... They want to withdraw from Iraq and if we do that al Qaeda wins." [Face the Nation, 2/3/2008]

"I have a strong conservative record and I'm proud of that record and I also believe on the national security side it's going to be a clear difference between me and Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. A clear difference on whether we're going to increase spending or decrease spending, increase taxes or decrease taxes, whether we're going to withdraw from Iraq or we're going to see this thing through to the success." [Fox News Sunday, 2/3/2008]

McCain's 100 Year War in Iraq: "We have to take care of the world's security"
"...This strategy is succeeding. Ad I believe that if we had set a date for withdrawal or if we do set a date for withdrawal, al Qaeda will then win and we'll see chaos and genocide in the region. That's another significant difference that Senator Clinton and I have...and I look forward to discussing it. It's not a matter of how long Americans stay. It's a matter of American casualties. And those casualties are coming down and we can eliminate them. Look, we're in Kuwait right next door to Iraq. We're in turkey. We're in Bosnia. We're all over the world. One of the obligations, unfortunately, of being a great superpower is that we have to take care of the world's security." [Fox News Sunday, 2/3/2008]

McCain: More of the Same Bush Supreme Court
"I would appoint justices such as the ones I've strongly supported and gotten through the Senate with the help of many others or help along with others. Only those who strictly interpret the constitution of the United States and do not legislate from the bench... If you have justices that have a clear, conservative, a clear, strict interpretation of the constitution of the United States, then you don't have to worry about what their decisions will be." [Fox News Sunday, 2/3/2008]
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/331

three quarters of all the ballots cast are still to be counted...hillary's lead is dwindling.

REPORTING: 25%
Candidate Votes % D
Clinton, Hillary 760,253 53% 0
Obama, Barack 508,267 36% 0
Edwards, John 125,156 9% 0
TOTAL VOTES 1,393,676

Thing Fish @ 100:

Jut as long as there is a vote in November. The chimp might still have a little crazy left in him...

The OVP is studying Pakistan as a test run.

Thing Fish @ 100:

The GOP is doomed @ 95:

Jacob @ 77:

"How are they going to triple their turnout in November?"

Hillary.

I used to worry about this, too, but I think the Anyone But the Republican vote is going to be huge from White House to school board now. The religious right will not turn out for McCain -- Dobson has already called a boycott -- and may well run a third party candidate. And a fourth, stark raving loony party, featuring Tancredo or an acolyte will take lots of immigration and gun nuts, including a lot of the more rabid Hillary haters.

The numbers are clear: The GOP is doomed.

Jut as long as there is a vote in November. The chimp might still have a little crazy left in him...

If there is anyone that will unite the broken and dysfunctional Republican Party- it's Hillary. Her negative numbers are absolutely obscene and she is universally hated by the Right (which is strange considering she is about as Neo-Con as they come). Even a terrible candidate like McCain would have a shot.

Sean @ 5:

Obama is a very good speaker, but part of it is because he uses teleprompters. It has an incredible unconscious effect though, people thinking that this is truly a spontaneous speech from the heart.

I want Obama, but I don't know how I feel about this. There was an article comparing the speaking abilities of MLK to Obama, Clinton, Mccain.

For now, this is interesting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-mance/cold-calculating-hillary_b_85149.html

What? Hillary just read off of a piece of paper. What's the difference? Obama seems authentic to me. We need to stop distracting ourselves with trivial matters. I don't have a lot of faith in Hillary delivering all of these promises because her husband made all of them as well and was a complete sell-out. He didn't pass any key progressive legislation and Hillary's only involvement in trying to construct and push something failed miserably and she has since caved to drug company cash. She was wrong on the war and continues to make head-scratching votes on foreign policy (designating the Iranian army a terrorist organization, etc.).

I don't know if Obama will come through on his promise to overcome divisiveness and build a new progressive coalition- but I am willing to give him a shot. He is emphasizing the right things and hopefully he will use the powers of the presidency to really push a progressive agenda, with a democratic congress, beyond what he could run on in a general election. I just don't see Clinton dramatically diverging from the past Clinton administration. Sure, they balanced budgets, but where did they get the money to do so? The cuts in social programs during the Clinton administration were large enough to make conservatives proud. He was a great Republican president. I never understood why they hate him so much- even before the Monica stuff.

We need to turn the page people and look to a hopeful future! Obama just may be a transformative figure. I am pretty certain Hillary Clinton is not.

Why did some 75% of latino voters go for Clinton?

Guy Fawkes,

Where are you getting your numbers for the Bay Area? Marin is in, but like you say, they don't carry much weight.

The Secretary of State at 10:41 sees:

Alameda: 0%
San Mateo: 0%
San Francisco: 0%
Marin: 71.5% = 52.9 O. / 39.8 C

Statewide it is 54.6 C. / 34.3 O. at a, wait for it... whopping 25.3% of the vote in.

Guy Fawkes @ 106:

Nick @ 97:

Guy Fawkes @ 94:

Nick @ 81:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but looking at the updated results in the SF bay Area, only in Marin County is Obama leading at all. So much for the massive amount of Obama support, which is clearly the result of self-delusion among his followers and media hype.

Are you honestly a Clinton supporter? I have yet to meet an educated person that is involved in politics that supports her. That especially the case among those who identify themselves as true progressives.

More self-delusion among Obama supporters, who voice elitist pretensions thinking that they are better suited to lead the working classes that form the backbone of the Democratic Party. Go take your wine and cheese elsewhere and invite Ralph Nader to your party while you're at it.

Working Class? Give me a break....The Clintons were personally responsible NAFTA which was permanently damaging to the working class. Or how about the whole Hillary Heath Care program that sought real single-payer universal health care system before being bought out by the corporate lobbies? Or the fact that Clintons have taken obscene amounts of corporate money especially in regards to health care and drug companies.

There is no working class party in American, a legitimate working class party would style itself after the European Social Democrat parties. Dennis Kucinich was the best thing we had going before he dropped, but Obama is the lesser of all evils.

Why are we Democrats always falling for this Right Wing SPIN when it comes to ELECTABILITY regarding our two Democratic Nominees?
"Hillary has too many negatives, BLAH BLAH BLAH...JAZZ JAZZ etc.
The Repub DOMINATED MEDIA TELLS YOU THIS.. Duh..So it must true eh?
They say if Hillary is nominated, that would UNITE the GOP to fight against you. Duh..So you should chicken out and wave the white flag and let them DICTATE TO YOU who you should pick to face them right? What kind of logic is that?
A lot of very intelligent Dems unfortunately right now seem to be have their "heads in the clouds" most of the time, instead of examining issues with heads firmly on their shoulders.
There's is NOTHING NEW they can through against Hillary and THEY KNOW IT.
I have nothing against Barrack. I think he is very intelligent and full of potential. However I think his time is not yet ripe to face the GOP in a GENERAL ELECTION. You may not want to hear this but he will provide FERTILE GROUND for the REPUB spin machine. They will chew him to pieces if he is the Nominee.
THEY OWN THE BULK OF THIS MEDIA that is giving him this glaringly obvious "We love You" press right now. It is with GOOD REASON they are doing this FOR NOW...yes FOR NOW.

February 1, 1999
Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EDT (1801 GMT)
I just can't help myself...

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, February 1) -- President Bill Clinton unveiled his budget for fiscal year 2000 Monday, formally sending Congress a $1.77 trillion spending plan that proposes using the new century's forecasted record budget surpluses to shore up Social Security and increase domestic spending.

The president's formal release of his budget proposal is the opening salvo in what promises to be a fierce battle with Capitol Hill over how to use the burgeoning budget surplus. While many Republicans have been pushing to use the money for an across-the-board tax cut, Clinton urged setting most of it aside for the Social Security and Medicare programs.

Hillary is
A. Not a Democrat

and

B. Not Electable vs. the Rethugs

Sorry,

A vote for hillary is a vote for McCain.

If you answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Why did 82% of African Americans vote for Barrack Obama?

Hillary Clinton is not a Democrat?

Wonders never cease when you have passionate followers who can turn reality to fiction.

"February 1, 1999
Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EDT (1801 GMT)
I just can’t help myself…"

You didnt help yourself to anything. Billary didnt reform anything for the better. They panderd for votes and thats it. They lost the Senate and the Congress. They passed NAFTA and put people out of work. They failed at reforming healthcare. If you wanna vote for em go ahead. We have a word for people like you: SUCKERS

nick @97
i am a high school graduate who worked for over 40 years raised 4 children and retired from a management position on a national railroad. i follow politics and read quite a bit. i am a clinton supporter and proud of it. as far as education goes i have worked with collage grads who could not tie their shoelaces. so please do judge people by their education but by what they do with it.

Helen ,

I am with you on that absolutely!

Kucinich couldn't win a swing state if his life depended on it.

no one wants to a comical looking pacifist nome to be president.

The arguments about Clinton vs Obama would be amusing if they weren't so sad and uninformed. It seems neither of you lot can form a cogent thought about the other candidate without relying on right-wing spin points. The same right-wing, I might remind you, whose popularity has all the boyancy of a brick these days.

Attention Hillary haters. Hillary isn't a neo-con. She's at least as liberal as Obama.

Attention Obama haters. Obama isn't elitist or racist, nor is he inexperienced.

Both of them would be strong, capable candidates. Either would shred any of the GOPers in a debate. Both have stood up to Faux "News" and *won*.

I was going to vote for Edwards. When he dropped out, I ended up voting for Obama. But if Clinton gets the nomination, I'll be able to vote for her proudly. Either one would be an excellent president.

"I’m sure you’re a intelligent and successful woman. All I’m suggesting is that she is not a progressive candidate that will not represent the interest of the working class."

Right.
Clinton being good for the working class is part of a popular narrative and also a myth.

frudger @ 133:

Kucinich couldn't win a swing state if his life depended on it.

no one wants to a comical looking pacifist nome to be president.

You're correct in one sense, he was a candidate that lacked broad electability. However, he had a superior grasp on the policy issues that define a progressive candidate. EX. The only candidate that demanded a single-payer universal health care system. The only candidate the promised a immediate end to the military industrial complex and the Iraq War.

Phil @ 137:

"I’m sure you’re a intelligent and successful woman. All I’m suggesting is that she is not a progressive candidate that will not represent the interest of the working class."

Right.
Clinton being good for the working class is part of a popular narrative and also a myth.

Phil, I agree with you. Reread my comment.

Lying ass cheating ass bastards

el @ 144:

What it comes down to for me is this...

Obama had the intellect to see voting for the Iraq war from the start was a bad idea. Hillary didn't.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

Peter G @ 40:

Mike Politik @ 29:

CheeryEyes @ 23:

Hillary won Cali mostly because ~72% of Asians voted for her while less than 30% voted for Obama and among Hispanics ~65% voted for Hillary while a mere ~30% voted for Obama.

I'd like to thank all the minority douchbags. Thanks a lot, idiots! You have proven that you're shallow and thoughtless.

Well, that was an inflaming way to put it....but....I believe your stats. I have seen plenty of reports that hispanics do not trust Obama and the same with Asian communities. It is very sad to see racism in the political spectrum and unfortunately for Obama, he will face exponentially greater amounts of it if he gets the Democratic nod.

Clintons have done a thorough job of ensuring that Obama is the "black" candidate. One more reason why I hate a politician that will use GOP/Rovian tactics.

That's an interesting perspective. May I ask why the voting patterns of, say Asians in California makes them racist but the voting patterns of blacks in Georgia not? Are they racist and or sexist if they don't agree with your choice?

Oh no, not at all. Unfortunately we are discussing this as being a race issue....but the fact remains that a large portion of the asian and hispanic community have the similar feelings towards black Americans as your typical white racist. Racism is not owned by white people...

Lots of presentations and blogs have touched on this....it will become more prevalent if Obama gets the nod. The media will portray the Democratic party as in turmoil etc because Obama is black and not all Democrats are actually liberal.

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