Rock on Barack!

I'd LOVE to see him go all the way. In my opinion he is the real deal.

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

I'm digging Barack.

Check out this yahoo article. I note a complete disconnect between the title (and first line) and what Obama actually said.

I think the media is intent on creating friction between the Democratic front-runners.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080206/ap_on_el_pr/obama

If we elect Hillary to the White House, we would be guilty of the exact same thing the GOP base did in 2000: elect someone on the basis of their name. Granted, Hillary is more qualified than W to be president. But then again, so am I.

If they seat almost all of the FL (185) and MI (156) delegates for Hillary, there's almost no way Obama can win unless he slaughters her 2 to 1 in the remaining primaries, which isn't likely especially in TX which will be the most important. What they do with FL and MI is going to be as big or bigger a bigger factor than the superdelegates they keep talking about.

CNN's current delegate count:

Clinton 818
Obama 730
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

I'll support whoever gets the nom in November. Though B did well in the Dem primary last nite, many of the states he carried with Dems will certainly vote Thug in the general. Something to consider...

You know there will be backroom dealings about the seating of the MI and FL delegates...Dean said so in an interview on CNN last night. Crawford has a post up about it at CQ:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/florida-and-michigan-theyre...

All hat...No cattle.

Proud2bHumble @ 13:

I'll support whoever gets the nom in November. Though B did well in the Dem primary last nite, many of the states he carried with Dems will certainly vote Thug in the general. Something to consider...

I'd say you're looking at it backwards. The blue states that Hillary won will go to whoever is the Dem nominee in the general, but it will take a Dem that can beat the GOP nominee in at least one red state. Obama is slaughtering Hillary in the red states. He's even slaughtering the GOP in total votes in the red states. He took in more votes than the top two GOP candidates in redder than red GA and SC and did it in MO too. That's what the Dem's most need to win in Nov.

nochickenhawk @ 16:

andy @ 5:

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

He's one of them. Obama has drawn the best from the Clinton administration too. They are with him, not Hillary.

Having Brzezinski ISNT a good thing, the guy is a hawk, he actually admits to provoking the the Russians into "the Afghan trap", it;s worrying that he has people like Zebrig advising him, i fear all this "anti war" talk from Obama is BS, also isn't it kind of expected of him to run as an "anti war" candidate ? it's in his interests to do so,.... but we know Politicians promise things when they're running that they don't follow through on once in office, take Bush in 2000 as an example, he ran saying he wanted a humble foreign policy and no nations building, also said he wanted to shrink government, and look what happened, maybe Im just too skeptical, but there is a good reason for that. Also didn't Obama vote to fund Bush's war ? yes he did.

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im from st louis...mtero stl...70% african american

every african american i spoke to yesterday said they voted for hillary BECAUSE they didnt want obama to be KILLED!

no shit!

I can't forget that the "president" lost 2 elections, but still took office.
It's clear that a Democrat will get the votes this year.
I am sure the exit polling will show that too.
If Democratic Party allows another Florida or Ohio in this election, with the voter irregularities, Black box issues, corrupt secretary of state, etc. I think I will finally move to Canada.

Rico @ 18:

andy @ 5:

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

That could be true but I suspect the relationship will be short-lived. OTOH...a return to Hillary means a long-lasting return to Albright and Wesley Clark....blood still dripping from their teeth from the first and second Clinton administrations. Hillary, Albright, Clark (and for that matter the Bushes)....they all seem cut from the same cloth...a class of ethnocentric, war profiteers.

i love you!

Still looking for the magic...inspiration...!! I guess people were so hungry after Bush that anyone who can talk is elevated to god status. Why are you folks so hungry for religion?

andy @ 32:

justabill @ 26:

andy @ 5:

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

Yes, he's one of them.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brzezinski+obama+advisor&btnG=Google+Search

I don't think the Israeli's need to worry about Obama not being on board-

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070302-aipac_policy_fo/

Well, that ain't good.

justabill @ 11:

If they seat almost all of the FL (185) and MI (156) delegates for Hillary, there's almost no way Obama can win unless he slaughters her 2 to 1 in the remaining primaries, which isn't likely especially in TX which will be the most important. What they do with FL and MI is going to be as big or bigger a bigger factor than the superdelegates they keep talking about.

CNN's current delegate count:

Clinton 818
Obama 730
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

Yup, and MSNBC says this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419475

Never forget that those "Super Delegates" can change their mind later on. If Obama does better in the upcoming states, chances are we'll see some of those Super Delegates changing sides. Hillary being out of money, agreeing to do a debate on Fox after the comments that have been made on that network, and having meetings with Mr. Murdoch certainly isn't going to help her in the upcoming months.

So don't count him out just yet. ;)

justabill @ 19:

Proud2bHumble @ 13:

I'll support whoever gets the nom in November. Though B did well in the Dem primary last nite, many of the states he carried with Dems will certainly vote Thug in the general. Something to consider...

I'd say you're looking at it backwards. The blue states that Hillary won will go to whoever is the Dem nominee in the general, but it will take a Dem that can beat the GOP nominee in at least one red state. Obama is slaughtering Hillary in the red states. He's even slaughtering the GOP in total votes in the red states. He took in more votes than the top two GOP candidates in redder than red GA and SC and did it in MO too. That's what the Dem's most need to win in Nov.

I'd say you're looking at it sideways (I call dibs on upside-down for your next reply). If the christofascist leadership can put enough pressure on McSundowner, he'll have to bring Huckster aboard. Then the solid thugtard majority in the theocratic south will show up and take those states as usual. On the other hand, I can't see Obama losing a significant number of Hill supporters where she won, and he's probably stronger with indies.

andy @ 32:

justabill @ 26:

andy @ 5:

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

Yes, he's one of them.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brzezinski+obama+advisor&btnG=Google+Search

I don't think the Israeli's need to worry about Obama not being on board-

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070302-aipac_policy_fo/

At the risk of opening a can of worms...

I don't understand this idea that the U.S. shouldn't assist its allies throughout the world, and specifically, in such a volatile region. Would the U.S. not come to the aid of England were its citizens bombed daily? No, I don't agree with everything the Israeli government has done; the Israeli people have been largely critical of their own government. But those who paint Israel as a Monstrous Entity while supporting Palestine wholeheartedly strike me as selectively ignorant - especially regarding the true history of the region.

In other news, I get tired of Barack Obama's speeches. He's a great speaker, but the faux-preacher shtick gets old - in my opinion. Along with the buzzwords and catchphrases that are overused, I get tired of hearing his subtle and implied jabs at his supposed "friend," Hillary Clinton.

Obama came out on top, what an amazing showing for him. He's got the lead in delegates and the vote is close. He's got more money while Clinton is transferring her own bank account in to the campaign to stay alive. She's calling him the "establishment" candidate, begging for a debate a week, anything she can do to slow him down. Barring anything especially sinister she pulls, he can walk away with this.

If the Dems sit florida and michigan, the party is over. It's done. I know that it really sucks they got their votes taken away for the nominee, but they KNEW what they were doing, they were warned, and they did it anyway. They could have voted on tuesday with most of the rest of the country, but they did not. Their votes should not count, and if the party lets them win, lets Clinton get all those free votes, I'm done with the party. They simply should not count.

That said, I don't think they will count. I think it'll be down to the next set of primaries, and Obama will take them. He's got the momentum and he's got the vitality to do it. He will be our next President, and he will be, perhaps, one of our greatest Presidents.

For those of you saying that he won the generally red states, he did. And that's the point. California, Massachussetts, they go Dem no matter what. But Kansas? Missouri? These are important swing states that Clinton barely made a dent in. Obama, if he is the nominee, will seal up California, New York, Massachussetts and the rest of the base states, and he will take the swing states like crazy. That's why they're so important, and that's why his s trategy will work.

We are the change we've been waiting for.

justabill @ 36:

Travis @ 33:

[...]

Well, that ain't good.

Give me a break. It aint bad either. Every candidate of both parties is the same in that respect. It means nada, unless you're antisemitic.

Yeh your right, both parties are in the pockets of lobbyists, but pointing out the Israel lobby is highly influential has nothing to do with being "anti-semitic", i hate the Military industrial complex just as much, plus them being jewish has nothing to do with it, what just because they're Israeli's they are immune from criticism ?

Jeez, why are some of you pissing and moaning about Michelle Obama? I really like her and her speeches too. When she tells the story about what Obama did once he graduated law school, she is just telling you something about his character. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and you don't get there without a truck load of smarts.

Sometimes I think some of you guys wouldn't have a word to say if you weren't complaining. I really do.

pissed off patricia @ 45:

Jeez, why are some of you pissing and moaning about Michelle Obama? I really like her and her speeches too. When she tells the story about what Obama did once he graduated law school, she is just telling you something about his character. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and you don't get there without a truck load of smarts.

Sometimes I think some of you guys wouldn't have a word to say if you weren't complaining. I really do.

Yes, exactly! and snarking at each other.

Mary @ 44:

No, Jason. He did win in red states, but in a larger general election, those states will STAY RED. His so-called "wins" in Alabama, Georgia, Kansas, Utah will do NOTHING for the Democratic Party in the fall.

In a general, you need Californiz, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, and Oklahoma, Arkansas , and Tennesee.

Obama couldn't even beat Mitt Romney in Florida, let alone beat John McCain.

The red states he won will STAY RED and not benefit a Democratic win on the national level.

Its a brick wall, Mary. They Barrackistas don't get it. Hope is their plan. Nice try though.

Jason B @ 41:

Obama came out on top, what an amazing showing for him. He's got the lead in delegates and the vote is close. He's got more money while Clinton is transferring her own bank account in to the campaign to stay alive. She's calling him the "establishment" candidate, begging for a debate a week, anything she can do to slow him down. Barring anything especially sinister she pulls, he can walk away with this.

If the Dems sit florida and michigan, the party is over. It's done. I know that it really sucks they got their votes taken away for the nominee, but they KNEW what they were doing, they were warned, and they did it anyway. They could have voted on tuesday with most of the rest of the country, but they did not. Their votes should not count, and if the party lets them win, lets Clinton get all those free votes, I'm done with the party. They simply should not count.

That said, I don't think they will count. I think it'll be down to the next set of primaries, and Obama will take them. He's got the momentum and he's got the vitality to do it. He will be our next President, and he will be, perhaps, one of our greatest Presidents.

For those of you saying that he won the generally red states, he did. And that's the point. California, Massachussetts, they go Dem no matter what. But Kansas? Missouri? These are important swing states that Clinton barely made a dent in. Obama, if he is the nominee, will seal up California, New York, Massachussetts and the rest of the base states, and he will take the swing states like crazy. That's why they're so important, and that's why his s trategy will work.

We are the change we've been waiting for.

The florida republican legislature moved the voting date up and the dems got punished for it. The dems lost all their delagates and the repubs only lost half of theirs.

krisken @ 35:

justabill @ 11:

If they seat almost all of the FL (185) and MI (156) delegates for Hillary, there's almost no way Obama can win unless he slaughters her 2 to 1 in the remaining primaries, which isn't likely especially in TX which will be the most important. What they do with FL and MI is going to be as big or bigger a bigger factor than the superdelegates they keep talking about.

CNN's current delegate count:

Clinton 818
Obama 730
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

Yup, and MSNBC says this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419475

Never forget that those "Super Delegates" can change their mind later on. If Obama does better in the upcoming states, chances are we'll see some of those Super Delegates changing sides. Hillary being out of money, agreeing to do a debate on Fox after the comments that have been made on that network, and having meetings with Mr. Murdoch certainly isn't going to help her in the upcoming months.

So don't count him out just yet. ;)

FWIW, I like this site:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/

Patrick Fitzgerald has already listed Obama in a current prosecution. If he's dirty the hammer will fall just like Whitewater did for the Clintons. Being popular and inspiring is important but the super delegates are entrusted to vet the candidate for issues that may make him/her unelectable. Also, policy advisers are extremely important in selecting a candidate and Brzezinski is the best foreign analyst since the Marshall Plan.

Andy K @ 54:

andy @ 48:

Andy K @ 42:

Meat @ 39:

Don't feed the Paulists. They're trolling here to hijack the thread.

Yeah, andy, I know who you are. And I know your pals, too.

I haven't mentioned Ron Pauls name on this thread, and i have no pals on here. This threads about Obama lets stay on subject ?

Subversion, andy, that's your game.

And of course your pals are here. There are a few of them who were pretty quick to answer your questions. They've also been quick to the defense and/or promotion of RP in the past.

Im a Ron Paul libertarian, correct, but i don't have any friends posting on this thread, also so what if Paul supporters are here ? whats wrong with that ? or is this just a site exclusively for Democrat supporters ? ... thats kinda un-democratic isn't it ?

pissed off patricia @ 45:

Jeez, why are some of you pissing and moaning about Michelle Obama? I really like her and her speeches too. When she tells the story about what Obama did once he graduated law school, she is just telling you something about his character. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and you don't get there without a truck load of smarts.

Sometimes I think some of you guys wouldn't have a word to say if you weren't complaining. I really do.

Lynda from Australia @ 47:

Yes, exactly! and snarking at each other.

Yer jus scyeerd MO's gonna catch the Shillary Curse... Let's call her Mouthchelle (snark). Leave this stuff for the ridiculous misogynist trolls.

pissed off patricia @ 52:

Lynda from Australia @ 47:

pissed off patricia @ 45:

Jeez, why are some of you pissing and moaning about Michelle Obama? I really like her and her speeches too. When she tells the story about what Obama did once he graduated law school, she is just telling you something about his character. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and you don't get there without a truck load of smarts.

Sometimes I think some of you guys wouldn't have a word to say if you weren't complaining. I really do.

Yes, exactly! and snarking at each other.

Yes, that too. Just so much negative energy here that it's depressing.

Jeez, way to stifle conversation, Patricia. (end snark)

Myself, I'm totally positive on Barack and Michelle Obama. I want to know how the votes broke down relative to when they were cast. My understanding is that Clinton had a big lead on early voting.

Meat @ 39:

In other news, I get tired of Barack Obama's speeches. He's a great speaker, but the faux-preacher shtick gets old - in my opinion. Along with the buzzwords and catchphrases that are overused, I get tired of hearing his subtle and implied jabs at his supposed "friend," Hillary Clinton.

My thoughts exactly. I thought that his speech went on far too long and he was in love with his voice and own his image. I too felt that he needlessly jabbed Hillary.

QUALAR @ 55:

Patrick Fitzgerald has already listed Obama in a current prosecution. If he's dirty the hammer will fall just like Whitewater did for the Clintons. Being popular and inspiring is important but the super delegates are entrusted to vet the candidate for issues that may make him/her unelectable. Also, policy advisers are extremely important in selecting a candidate and Brzezinski is the best foreign analyst since the Marshall Plan.

Where's the link for the story about Fitzgerald and Obama?

This guy is nothing but hot air in a cool, silk suit.

Johnny2Bad @ 24:

Dhalgren @ 9:

If we elect Hillary to the White House, we would be guilty of the exact same thing the GOP base did in 2000: elect someone on the basis of their name. Granted, Hillary is more qualified than W to be president. But then again, so am I.

Yeah...Better idea would be to elect someone on the basis of his skin. Much better.

God help us.

If you think Obama's skin color is his only qualification, I'd like to invite you to have sex with yourself.

Which of the top candidates will prove NOT above the law and defend our U.S. Constitution from enemies domestic and foreign?

If Clinton and McCain wins the nomination, how will they respond to this question? Will they go forward with a hearing and hold the criminals accountable for their assault to our Constitution and to the AMERICAN PEOPLE and the people of the world for leading us into a WAR based on fabricated intelligences in the name of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and the vague war on terror?

If Obama and McCain are the nominees, which of the two will commit to the PEOPLE and restore the rules of law by pushing for an IMPEACHMENT HEARING and other appropriate judicial hearings?

Impeachment and judicial hearings CAN still continue even at the end of the current regime.

This must be resolved before election of November 2008.

Mr. XXXX @ 72:

Expect the privatization of social security with either a Clinton or an Obama administration, should there be an expanded health insurance program.

So what are you trying to say? Vote for "more wars" McCain? The Dem's increased majority in both Houses will NEVER privatize social security no matter what any President says. Bush couldn't even get it through a GOP House and Senate.

Obama is a liar. Obama is not a uniter either no matter how many fluffy-fluff speeches he gives. Ted Kennedy's endorsement and Obama still loses Massachusetts---that is so funny to me. Caroline Kennedy supports Obama and he gets beat in New York--so funny to me!!!!!!!

Obama is a corporate candidate just like the rest of the Democratic Party is today. Don't hand me this crap that Obama is so "different" when he just another corporate Democratic Party candidate as Kerry was and the rest of them are. Obama is connected to big nuclear industry giants in the corporate world, so save your b.s. for some other fool.

Mr. XXXX @ 75:

Obama is a liar. Obama is not a uniter either no matter how many fluffy-fluff speeches he gives. Ted Kennedy's endorsement and Obama still loses Massachusetts---that is so funny to me. Caroline Kennedy supports Obama and he gets beat in New York--so funny to me!!!!!!!

Obama is a corporate candidate just like the rest of the Democratic Party is today. Don't hand me this crap that Obama is so "different" when he just another corporate Democratic Party candidate as Kerry was and the rest of them are. Obama is connected to big nuclear industry giants in the corporate world, so save your b.s. for some other fool.

Yeah, XXX. That's all true...But....he's offering "Hope" and "Change". Isn't that enough? He'll have some actual ideas soon. Trust him. Besides, he's a great speaker, he's really smart and best of all, Oprah and John Kerry like him. Why do you hate "Hope" so much?

Johnny2Bad @ 77:

Mr. XXXX @ 75:

Obama is a liar. Obama is not a uniter either no matter how many fluffy-fluff speeches he gives. Ted Kennedy's endorsement and Obama still loses Massachusetts---that is so funny to me. Caroline Kennedy supports Obama and he gets beat in New York--so funny to me!!!!!!!

Obama is a corporate candidate just like the rest of the Democratic Party is today. Don't hand me this crap that Obama is so "different" when he just another corporate Democratic Party candidate as Kerry was and the rest of them are. Obama is connected to big nuclear industry giants in the corporate world, so save your b.s. for some other fool.

Yeah, XXX. That's all true...But....he's offering "Hope" and "Change". Isn't that enough? He'll have some actual ideas soon. Trust him. Besides, he's a great speaker, he's really smart and best of all, Oprah and John Kerry like him. Why do you hate "Hope" so much?

Obama is a BIG BABY too!!!!!!!!! Here is Obama---Obama says that Hillary's voters would vote for him in a general election, but he is not so sure that his voters would ever vote for her--Ms. Clinton....now that is some uniter who wants to "unite everyone" my ass!!! Obama is a two-faced liar and he needs to be called on his b.s. His statement above about his voters not voting for Hillary should he lose sound an awful lot like his "mentor" in the United States Senate, Joe Lieberman.

Obama supported Lieberman over Ned Lamont and Barack's "mentor" in the United States Senate is Joe Lieberman. I wonder if Lieberman put Obama up to this dirty trick to split up the Democratic Party, once-and-for-all? I would not put it past these two creeps and the dunces falling for this charade, either.

Obama isn't a corporate candidate - he's the LEAST corporate of all the candidates. He's the least wealthy - while Hillary transfers $5mil of her own in to her campaign, that is about 4x as much as Obama's total worth. He is not a rich man. At the same time, his fundraising is destroying her - he's got hundreds of thousands of donors, and only about 3% of them have given their max. He's on track for another record-breaking fundraising month, purely by raising small amounts of money from hundreds of thousands of different people - NOT corporations.

His speeches inspire people to get out and make a difference, and at the end of the day, THAT is what government is supposed to do. It isn't the President that decides the will of the people, the people do. That's democracy, and he challenges people to get engaged with democracy. He doesn't have to pull out every answer to every problem because so much of it comes out when we talk to each other. He has plans for all of the big issues - getting us out of Iraq, fixing health care, restoring the economy - all of it on his website, at http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ but when you want to ask how to fix your COUNTRY - that can only be answered by every body having a conversation with each other.

When you see those red states put Obama over the top by more than the top Republicans combined, you know you have something special. Somebody that Democrats and Republicans alike can listen to, and best of all - he's on our side. Obama reminds people that it's not him that has to do the tough work of change - it's us. That's why he says, "We are the ones we've been waiting for."

Looking forward to January 21, 2009 and hearing his inauguration speech as President of the United States.

Why do I keep thinking of the old WWE promos with the Rock?

Finally, Barack has come back to CHICAGO! If you Smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllll what Barack is Cookin' ???

In all seriousness. This man is an inspiration. Vote for him!

I thought he was pretty inspirational....When he said we are the change we've been waiting for....it's a lot better than the crap we've been hearing for the past 7 years....the idea that you can cut taxes and pay for a trillion dollar war. This guy is saying we're going to have to get out there and change the things we feel need to be changed instead of bitching and moaning.....he's got a good point.

Johnny2Bad @ 77:

Mr. XXXX @ 75:

Obama is a liar.... etc etc etc yadda yadda

Yeah, XXX. That's all true...But....he's offering "Hope" and "Change". Isn't that enough? He'll have some actual ideas soon. Trust him. Besides, he's a great speaker, he's really smart and best of all, Oprah and John Kerry like him. Why do you hate "Hope" so much?

Don't forget the Grateful Dead, what's left anyway. It was a really beautiful fundraising event Monday night.

I agree we need to exorcise the Corporations from Barak. Of all of them he has the best prospects for that working to some degree, and we sure can't afford to let the Repugs stay in power. Barak could bring along the largest wave of fresh blood into the Congress.

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, hurry over to the Hillary thread and cut and paste that quote, too. Like you've done with all of your other posts. Hurry, now.

I asked this question the other night. How could you NOT vote for Iraq war spending? Could you, in good conscience, deny the troops already on the ground the funds to arm and protect themselves? Could you deny National Guard troops combat pay? How about body armor? Health insurance and care for veterans that are coming home more terribly injured than in any war ever? I sure couldn't. I hate this war and wish every troop would come home tomorrow. I still couldn't vote against them receiving the funds they need to come home in one piece.

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed. And you have my full understanding if you wait or abstain. I consider Barak imperfect. I consider the system imperfect. I just don't know that supporting Ralph will help us out of this nasty Repug hole. Ralph has only said he would be sure to run if HRC was the nominee, and he did want Mr. O to speak out clearly on issues including corporate rule. Now is the time to hold the Mr. O's feet to the fire, and I, the absolute tiniest of donors have already made my expectations known to that camp, and loudly.

Susan @ 94:

Marge @ 78:

The US is the only country in the whole world that have a wimpy bunch of crap butt men who are afraid of women...no spine, no guts only manufactured size of their cod piece.

ROTFL, amen! The US, and those countries that keep their women hidden inside a billowing tent.

Please stop the sexist talk. This isn't even mildly amusing.

Nancy Pelosi enjoys an honored seat in our government, and from all appearances, she has no spine and no guts. You want me to make a statement about her tits? Sexism is sexism, dear.

There are lots of women in the government, and there is one female presidential candidate this year. Perhaps you should turn down the rhetoric.

hmm the dems better pick a candidate quick cuz shitt romney and fuckabee are goners already. and wtf planet is fuckabee living on thinking he's gonna win? that guy is more deranged than grandpa mccain who's so ancient he watched the pyramids being built. plus mr. mcamnesty is such a senile retard even his own party hates him.

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he has also floated bills to remove the troops, but those have been blocked or defeated

look, i believe that this congress should have defunded the war....prob is, you have a commander in chief who wouldve just written some executive order allowing for more borrowing anyway

is obama the best candidate? nope....that guy didnt run

but he is the best out of the two

Mr. XXXX
Dude, seriously. The cutting and pasting the same comments to both threads is really lame.

To make sure we get the best candidate, Hillary Clinton should just DROP OUT.

)…….hey, that’s almost the same qualifications Hillary has. Perhaps Laura should run next election.

not you stupid fucker, Hillary WON a senate seat for TWO terms you peabrained dolt Laura is a drunk biiatch that murdered her own bf nasty people

ConcernedCanuck @ 102:

"I think we will have a nominee sometime in the middle of March or April. But if we don’t, then we’re going to have to get the candidates together and make some kind of an arrangement. Because I don’t think we can afford to have a brokered convention, that would not be good news for either party.” Howard Dean

Soo.........what does that mean voters?

it means that howard dean is an ahole and should be tarred and feathered

it means that all our votes wont count, and the dem party is dead

Johnny2Bad @ 104:

Fanon @ 91:

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, hurry over to the Hillary thread and cut and paste that quote, too. Like you've done with all of your other posts. Hurry, now.

I asked this question the other night. How could you NOT vote for Iraq war spending? Could you, in good conscience, deny the troops already on the ground the funds to arm and protect themselves? Could you deny National Guard troops combat pay? How about body armor? Health insurance and care for veterans that are coming home more terribly injured than in any war ever? I sure couldn't. I hate this war and wish every troop would come home tomorrow. I still couldn't vote against them receiving the funds they need to come home in one piece.

Thanks for protecting us, Honorary Site Monitor "Fanon". What would we do without you??

Ooh, what a cutting remark. I posted an actual response to him. Even you would have to admit that it's a little ridiculous to spam two threads at once ad nauseum.

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soooooo what. Are you saying that if he voted the same as Hillary that she is the better choice?

She voted for the war.

Jason B @ 74:

Mary @ 44:

No, Jason. He did win in red states, but in a larger general election, those states will STAY RED. His so-called "wins" in Alabama, Georgia, Kansas, Utah will do NOTHING for the Democratic Party in the fall.

In a general, you need Californiz, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, and Oklahoma, Arkansas , and Tennesee.

Obama couldn't even beat Mitt Romney in Florida, let alone beat John McCain.

The red states he won will STAY RED and not benefit a Democratic win on the national level.

Actually, if you look at his wins in the red states like South Carolina (which has been red for the last 20 years straight), you would see that the amount of votes he gets is higher than many of the Republican front runners combined.

Dems are guaranteed CA, NY, MA, etc. But if the general had been held yesterday, he would have easily won the midwest and south over the Republicans.

And if you write off those red states as staying red, then the Dems WILL lose in the general. The only way to win is to get the swing states and pull some of the red states, and that is exactly what Obama is doing.

This isn't hope, this is a plan.

And I'll tell you right now that (Red) Northwest Ohio is FIRED UP!

What up with the audio? I got nothin'.

Proud2bHumble @ 116:

loubie @ 112:

Interesting....California -- out of the news.
Here's an idea for a news story. Zogby had B.O. ahead by double digits a day before New Hampshire. They "blew" it.

Zogby had B.O. winning Cali by 13 the morning of Super Tuesday. They "blew" it.

Isn't it time to ask....how much are they getting from the B.O. camp for their P.R. services?

Here's your headline:

Zogby Blows It For Obama In Attempt to Pump Up His Election
Conclusion Said to be Premature

etc.

Oh, ZOGBY blew Cali for B.O. How's DAT?

Media is licking their chops, waiting to take the bubble wrap off of B.O.

pissed off patricia @ 52:

Lynda from Australia @ 47:

pissed off patricia @ 45:

Jeez, why are some of you pissing and moaning about Michelle Obama? I really like her and her speeches too. When she tells the story about what Obama did once he graduated law school, she is just telling you something about his character. He was head of the Harvard Law Review and you don't get there without a truck load of smarts.

Sometimes I think some of you guys wouldn't have a word to say if you weren't complaining. I really do.

Yes, exactly! and snarking at each other.

Yes, that too. Just so much negative energy here that it's depressing.

I agree. Certainly I've offered criticism, but I've also made it abundantly clear, I think, that cynicism as a default setting for a person is toxic and intellectually weak. Furthermore, I've stated something that is often lost in the details (if it weren't for that handful of others who bring this up now and again): the Democratic Party is in good hands, regardless of who wins. We all have our preferences, but once you get past the hype and propaganda, you're left with two worthwhile progressives - either of whom could, if they want to, tear the throat out of whichever Republican they are debating in the general election. (Clinton herself has alluded to the tiptoeing of Democratic nominees in 2000 and 2004, so that gives me a bit of--gasp!--hope.)

Mike Mid City @ 111:

Mr. XXXX @ 90:

Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soooooo what. Are you saying that if he voted the same as Hillary that she is the better choice?

She voted for the war.

The only reason people believe that the authorization bill couldn't be anything but a vote to invade Iraq, no questions asked, is because that is what has been repeated ad infinitum. Liberals believe themselves to be very clever when it comes to spotting Republican talking-points, but a few years after a false impression has been created, they forget who fabricated the nonsense and repeat it as though it were gospel.

The bill--which, like many bills, was large and nuanced--demanded the approval of the U.N. Security Council, amongst other things. The President ignored the provisions, which is why many contend that his invasion of Iraq, based on falsified information from the CIA, was illegal and remains so to this day. It's sad that we've gone to blaming Bush for what he's done to blaming Democrats for enabling him while letting the President off the hook entirely. That's depressing.

Hillary wants the White House so badly, she's willing to buy it on credit. As long as she doesn't try to go into bankruptcy with the bill she voted for, she can do a Lincoln Bedroom tour at least after Barack moves in I suppose.

andy @ 5:

Is it true that Zebrig brzezinski is his foreign policy advisor ?

YES, THIS IS VERY TRUE!

It is VERY obvious that the polls taken ahead of time are A COMPLETE FACADE! Do NOT BELIEVE THEM! They are manipulated to make you THINK that Obama has this big lead or is right behind Hillary! The math just does NOT add up!

They work for the Spin Doctor Talking Heads that turned Obama into Saint Obama, participate with Obama himself and the Republicans polarizing Hillary, and sold us Bush and The War!

RUN AWAY FROM THE CORPORATE MEDIA AND THE POLLS!

VOTE FOR HILLARY!
THEN WE CAN RELAX!

justabill @ 19:

Proud2bHumble @ 13:

I'll support whoever gets the nom in November. Though B did well in the Dem primary last nite, many of the states he carried with Dems will certainly vote Thug in the general. Something to consider...

I'd say you're looking at it backwards. The blue states that Hillary won will go to whoever is the Dem nominee in the general, but it will take a Dem that can beat the GOP nominee in at least one red state. Obama is slaughtering Hillary in the red states. He's even slaughtering the GOP in total votes in the red states. He took in more votes than the top two GOP candidates in redder than red GA and SC and did it in MO too. That's what the Dem's most need to win in Nov.

HILLARY HAS BEAT ALL OF THE GOP VOTES ALONG WITH BEATING OBAMA IN DELEGATES AND POPULAR VOTES!

And that was AFTER Obama pulling out all the stops! Holding press conferences as if he is already the President! (WANNABE!)
The media blits! The BIG HUGE endorsements and this "BIG MOVEMENT" behind him! And the polls saying he was going to over take Hillary!

Spin that one! I swear that there are people on here from the Obama Campaign! They are almost like Cult leaders! Spinning things and telling half truths! Kind of reminds me of a President named George Bush!

Meat @ 39:

andy @ 32:

justabill @ 26:

andy @ 5:
Yes, he's one of them.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brzezinski+obama+advisor&btnG=Google+Search

I don't think the Israeli's need to worry about Obama not being on board-

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070302-aipac_policy_fo/

At the risk of opening a can of worms...

I don't understand this idea that the U.S. shouldn't assist its allies throughout the world, and specifically, in such a volatile region. Would the U.S. not come to the aid of England were its citizens bombed daily? No, I don't agree with everything the Israeli government has done; the Israeli people have been largely critical of their own government. But those who paint Israel as a Monstrous Entity while supporting Palestine wholeheartedly strike me as selectively ignorant - especially regarding the true history of the region.

In other news, I get tired of Barack Obama's speeches. He's a great speaker, but the faux-preacher shtick gets old - in my opinion. Along with the buzzwords and catchphrases that are overused, I get tired of hearing his subtle and implied jabs at his supposed "friend," Hillary Clinton.

EXACTLY MY SENTIMENTS! Anyone who uses the word "folk" and "folks" has been around Bush for WAY TOO LONG! When I am not looking at the TV, I have to take a second look becuase I cannot tell if it is Obama or Bush!

How many times does Obama have to say "UH" in his speeches? I count at least a dozen every time he speaks! I am still trying to figure out how he is such a "great speaker!"

BTW TO OPRAH...My truth leads me to God! NOT BARACK OBAMA! What the hell is the matter with you girl?

Ron Paul has raised millions just the same way Obama has and it HAS NOT MADE ONE DIFFERENCE!

McCain ran out of money and he is the front runner right now!

SPIN THAT!

I am waiting!

Don @ 62:

Perhaps the Dems should do some parity between the two states: either no delegates for either, or half for each (to mimic the Repugs). Of course, if I recall, it being proportional, Barack wouldn't be completely shut out in Florida, Hilary got 50%, Barack 33% and Edwards 14%. In Michigan it would be trickier: Hilary 55%, Uncommitted 40%, Kucinich and Biden each 1%.

That's exactly the kind of situation (seat them, don't seat them) that will definitely piss off the Obama people, especially if Hilary gets all the delegates in Michigan, to the point that it would have negative repercussions in November. Well, Howard Dean, that's why you get the big bucks.....

THEY ARE SPLIT YOU NIT WIT!

Remember that Florida was the deciding state that gave us Bush?
That is something to think about for the Democrats that want to discount Florida. Either way Obama is screwed because if he fights them being seated at the convention, (IF HE WINS) Floridians are going to remember when Obama said their "votes didn't count" in the General Election and potentially not vote, giving the Repubicans the door wide open to keep office. If he does want them counted, Hillary wins, so either way, Obama is screwed.

If you Obama supporters really knew about politics, you would NOT want to count Florida out. It is not a game people! Think about what you are doing...don't be ignorant just because you are sour that Obama lost in Florida!

The problem with all of you is you have been repressed by a media that has fed you your opinions. Get out in your communities and get involved. Come up with your own thoughts instead of trying to look and sound so uber smart by cutting and pasting threads from blogs. Look in the mirror and see how hyper critical you are of any mistake a candidate makes. Too many "uhs" in a speech, BFD. Get the message! Pick your butt off your chair, back away from your "one eyed monster" and make a difference. "Kill your television" and get involved in what really matters; an end to the status quo in this country. An end to the "haves" and "have nots". An end to class divisions and limited opportunities for all citizens of this land. An end to an environment were we continue to exert our will on a damaged and limited ecosystem. How about we figure out how we can provide stewardship and leadership for our planet for generations to come. Anybody can play the "right / wrong" game; my 8 year old can do it quite well. Being right is a bankrupt mentality, all you get is the booby prize of being right. Make a difference, get out and vote, support your community, volunteer, be green, do something besides point fingers back and forth.

FYI...IT IS HYPOCRITICAL! NOT HYPER CRITICAL!

Obama should inspire all of those who support him to get an education before trying to attack Hillary Clinton and all of her supporters! You don't think all of the hateful comments by Obama and the Obama supporters towards BILL AND Hillary Clinton are not petty and disrespectful of one of the BEST PRESIDENTS OF MODERN TIME! That is why I do not care for Obama! His passive-aggressive behavior saying "I am above all of the dirty politics" and HE IS A LIAR! He encourages hate towards the Clintons and I DO NOT APPRECIATE IT AT ALL! I will not tolerate it from the Republicans nor OBAMA!

Sorry...I will not! Tell him to stop with all of the polarizing he does that causes nothing but DIVIDE!

DIVIDE AND CONQUER! THAT IS OBAMA'S STRATEGY

Maillot_jaune @ 137:

The problem with all of you is you have been repressed by a media that has fed you your opinions. Get out in your communities and get involved. Come up with your own thoughts instead of trying to look and sound so uber smart by cutting and pasting threads from blogs. Look in the mirror and see how hyper critical you are of any mistake a candidate makes. Too many "uhs" in a speech, BFD. Get the message! Pick your butt off your chair, back away from your "one eyed monster" and make a difference. "Kill your television" and get involved in what really matters; an end to the status quo in this country. An end to the "haves" and "have nots". An end to class divisions and limited opportunities for all citizens of this land. An end to an environment were we continue to exert our will on a damaged and limited ecosystem. How about we figure out how we can provide stewardship and leadership for our planet for generations to come. Anybody can play the "right / wrong" game; my 8 year old can do it quite well. Being right is a bankrupt mentality, all you get is the booby prize of being right. Make a difference, get out and vote, support your community, volunteer, be green, do something besides point fingers back and forth.

Amen. I have a friend who is so right that he is getting a divorce he doesn't want.
May not be very happy, but he sure is right.

As a UK resident and a member of Britain's 3rd political party (Liberal Democrats - politically between Mainstream democrats and Greens) I've been following the race with some interest.

First Hillary - I like her, respect her and I'm sure i'd have a drink with her. Well done to her for her numbers on the 5th. I liked her speech though i found it a bit stagey. I'm sure she'd make a good president.

Barack - Now if there is one opportunity you don't want to miss it's getting this guy on the ticket. This is what you call a speech. My hunch is that he's Guiliani in reverse - ie to get support the guy can't do too much canvassing! That's exactly what you need because boy the thugocracy won't take any chances!

Both need each other though to renew the country and create change.

To Maillot_jaune:

You are on the computer just as often so which one is the pot and which one is the kettle? Unlike yourself, I actually go to sleep!

If Obama was about ending the separation of class them how come him and his camp and the talking heads label the Obama supporters as the "educated and elite" crowd and the Hillary supporters the "wal-mart/un-educated/working class?"

HOW IS THAT NOT SEPARATING CLASSES?

Reality is perception! The media Talking Heads and The Cult Obama camp want all of us to "perceive" that he is the winner so we will vote for him! However, it is we the people that ARE INVOLVED AND ENGAGED fully aware of the TRUE REALITY AND NOT THE PERCEIVED REALITY!

GIVE ME A BREAK! BEING GREEN AND WORRYING ABOUT THE ECO-SYSTEM HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! THAT IS NOT WHAT MAKES SOMEONE INVOLVED! OPEN YOUR MIND AND STOP THINKING YOU ARE ABOVE IT ALL JUST BECAUSE YOU "THINK" YOU ARE!

BY THE WAY...IT IS OPPRESSED...NOT REPRESSED!
I STILL HAVE YET TO WITNESS THE INTELLECT OF THE
OBAMA FOLLOWERS!
HENCE THE WORD FOLLOWER!

Since you are so involved and educated, please enlighten me! Answer the following questions and tell me how your involvement will help not just change, but FIX all of the REAL ISSUES!

1. Can you tell me what the national debt is?
2. Can you tell me how much money we owe China?
3. Can you tell me the annual cost of the Iraq War vs. projected total cost?
4. Can you tell me how many homes are estimated to be foreclosed on because of the sub-prime mortgage mess, or because the economy is deteriorating?
5. Can you tell me how long Bush plans on keeping the US occupation in Iraq and how does Obama plan on UNDOING this?
6. Can you tell me how Obama is going to prevent terrorism when he belittles the importance of it?
7. Can you tell me how Obama plans on preventing nuclear weapons from being accessed by terrorist in Pakistan and reduce the terrorism that has risen in Afghanistan?
8. Can you tell me how he plans on restoring our reputation in the world?
9. Can you tell me how many Americans are uninsured for health care?

If you can answer these questions with factual answers, then, yes, just maybe I would consider voting for him, but that is not going to happen because his only plan is to “bring change!” Change is not necessarily a good thing, these problems need to be FIXED, NOT CHANGED! How is he going to handle all of these issues when he cannot even handle Hillary holding him accountable? How is he even going to fight off the Republicans with such a victim mentality? He hasn't seen anything yet compared to what the demonic Republicans have up their sleeves! Hillary’s “attacks” are bubble gum compared to what the Republicans have in store for him.

You have to work with all branches of government in order to accomplish any kind of change to those of you who obviously do not know better! We have a President right now that over rides branches of government, why would we want to have another one doing the same thing? At least the one doing it is a Republican, and not a Democrat, because if it were a Democratic President doing what Bush has done or what Obama intends to do, then you are sadly mistaken and very naïve if you don’t think the Republicans are not going to say election year 2012, “See the Democrats thought they could do it better, and now look how pathetic you are!?” Then the Republicans will really take over permanently.

Obama has managed to divide race, gender, age, and political parties! He is on a bigger roll than Bush! Obama has accomplished in one month what has taken Bush 7 ½ years to accomplish! Amazing! If that is hope and change, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANY PART OF IT!

Obama=The Permanent Divide!

Realist

I think a little quid pro quo is in order. Here is some homework for you (this has nothing to do with politics). You claim in all of your 31 years on this planet to be involved, engaged etc. Give these your best shot; they are pretty easy:

1 How many babies are born in Sub-Saharan Africa with AIDS every year? What is their average life expectancy?
2 How many babies are born in the US with AIDS every year? What is their average life expectancy?
3 What percentage of our GNP goes to aid for the 10 poorest countries in the world?
4 How many US families live in poverty?
5 What percentage of the current, domestically produced food crop is genetically enhanced or modified?
6 How many children are clinically diagnosed with a mental disorder / health issue each year? What is the percentage change from children diagnosed in 1960? Also, how many new clinically defined mental disorders / illnesses have there been since 1960?
7 What effect does television have on the development of the right brain in children?

Some questions for you covering medicine, poverty, foreign aid, efficacy of our food, health and our most precious resource our children.

Thank you for actually answering my questions! This is the first time I have seen someone address these issues that support Obama! Great improvement! Although your answers resemble those of the RP supporter whose post I placed on the blog about Obama being a cult! I think it is coincidental that the second I put those up, you finally answered me!

Your second set of questions after are very important also! I do care about Africa also! I have been crying with Africa since back in the day of Ethiopia and "We are the world!" Unfortunately, it has not gotten better, only worse! You have to remember that it is the American middle class that are one of the biggest donors to that country! The only reason it is not getting to the poor is because of a corrupt government acting exactly how our current President and his administration does.

If it is these issues that concern you then I encourage you to get involved by yourself and visit the Clinton Global Foundation created for this exact reason. It connects the donors with the people who actually need it instead of the government being involved!

There again that is why I support the Clinton’s! They are action and not talk! Obama is nothing but talk!
As to the poverty question, I do not know the statistics as they are always skewed, but please enlighten me! I live in a border city that is very poor! Do not presume to tell me I am unaware of poverty and separation of classes. Have you ever heard of the term “Colonias?” That is what the Hispanic poor are forced to live in which is way more impoverished than any African-American cities I have seen. Yes I have seen them!

African-Americans are not the only ones suffering! I have not been rich either! I am as close to poor as you can get, although I do not consider myself poor because I live in America where anything is possible that you put hard work and dedication into which is what I am doing! I have a roof over my head and utilities that I can barely afford, but I still do not consider myself a victim or unblessed! I always know it could be worse which it will be if the wrong person becomes our next President. This is the first time in history that we are ALL becoming of one class and that is the poor class! It has happened under the Bush Administration that has brought America to its knees. I feel that Obama represents the same thing because he is being forced on us by the same corporate media that sold us Bush and that scares the hell out of me!

They should stay out of it and let WE THE PEOPLE decide! I did like Obama in the beginning until he started acting like a hypocrite and insulting Hillary Clinton when he claims he is above all of the ways of Washington! He is no better or different and he should not present himself as honest when he is not! That is a Republican tactic and has been rejected by the true Democratic Party and will continue to be! If Obama wants people to like him, then I suggest he explore a different strategy because his current one is such a turn off and reminds me of the Republicans!

As far as the mental illness…there have been significant improvements since the 60’s. A lot of that was caused by the birth control pill which has been advanced. I do know the amount of people on Anti-Depressants and Sleeping pills has gone up to about 85% of the American population under The Bush Administration. He has committed psychological warfare on the whole country and the world! That is why we need change, not because Obama says so! He is playing on the emotions of the masses and I do not like it!

If any of us are going to able to bring change then we need to focus on this country first!

Here is a metaphor that I thought of:

When you fly and they tell you in the case of an emergency and the oxygen masks drop, please take care of yourself before assisting your child. The reason is because if you do not take care of yourself first, then you are useless to help your child.

Think of America that way. We need to FIX this country before we can EVER MOVE FORWARD. There is only one candidate in this race that has the experience to insure that we are fixed as a country which will then change the mind set then will set a good example again for the rest of the world!

I am not a “right fighter!” I am a Truth Fighter and I am concerned because I see Obama exploiting the youth and the emotions of the vulnerable and ones who want the war to end! I think we can all say we want the war to end! I wish Obama would have been around back when it all started and used his power with the media and big endorsers like Oprah to speak out against the war! Maybe it would have made a difference and prevent all of this chaos that is creating emotional tension now! But he wasn’t so we will never know! It is very easy to let the war continue by funding it then turn around and use it as a message to the ones that have been against it all along!

Can we agree that we all care about the same issues, but disagree as to which Presidential Candidate is the best one for the job of protecting, changing, and improving all of American and the whole world! Not just Africa!

You scolded me by telling me that supporting Hillary Clinton is not being involved but I was responding to your attack calling me lazy and you also said it was about getting others involved in the voting process! I have been doing that! I have gotten several unregistered voters to register! I have gotten my 19 year old cousin involved on the issues also and encourage him to do research all of the time! I do realize the importance of a Democrat becoming President, that is why I have gotten several people to register and vote! Are you insulting that progress?