clusterf*ck republicans are the horses asses in the race.

If she cries on cue again, I'll be mad as hell, and I sure as hell won't vote for her unless I have no choice.

Mmmm...cluster bombs...(drool).

this is brilliant, bluegal!

"[Being a humorist] is a useful trade, a worthy calling; that with all its lightness and frivolity it has one serious purpose, one aim, one specialty, and it is constant to it -- the deriding of shams, the exposure of pretentious falsities, the laughing of stupid superstitions out of existence; and that whoso is by instinct engaged in this sort of warfare is the natural enemy of royalties, nobilities, privileges and all kindred swindles, and the natural friend of human rights and human liberties."

-- Mark Twain

[To bluegal and the rest at C&L]

Come on...Our noble press is not going to delve into Hillary's weaknesses during the primary season, when it can't do the Republicans any good. That's for the last month of the general election, when any old lie will do.

tanglewood @ 5:

I am so sick of hearing about how Hillary has been slighted by the press. There is a visceral hatred of the press by both Clintons and by the press for their lack of access and her past history (as a Senator) of not giving them access.

However, I deeply resent the way the media (especially, Bltizer, Matthews, Scarborough, Russert and Mitchell, all of ABC, etc) decided for us (the voters) who our candidates would be. I thought they were just awful to Edwards, Kucinich , Biden and the rest. It is terribly wrong but this is what we get after the consolidation of the media.

It is time we take our country back and out of the hands of the few. We are the people.

Well, they didn't catch on with voters. Huckabee came from nothing, no media support, and became a real force. The same is true of Obama's rise. He was the black man Bill Clinton called a "fairytale," but damn it look at what he did. So, we all hate the media, but this election they have been alright. Clinton, the inevitable, is now taking money from her own deep pockets - just like Romney - while Obama is about to break more records from small donors. Remember - he doesn't take PAC money either.

Yes We Can

Hillary had to loan herself 5 million dollars for her campaign this month.

That was a vote in support of Israel's warcrimes. Despicable it was.

Given that the electorate is split into at least one part that supports nuking our enemies outright, cluster bombs are not really the breaking point on political support.

Of course, when electing Saints & Angels, there never is any negative to disclose, which is why political neophytes can pretend to be clean, clean, clean. Meanwhile, the job is President of THIS country, not some angelic palace on the hill.

Those who think she's a hawk for her IR vote have refused to read her speech explaining it.

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980’s when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

[…]

Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make — any vote that may lead to war should be hard — but I cast it with conviction.

[…]

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose — all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Just more proof that the difference between voting Democrat vs. Republican is about as substantial as the difference between Coke and Pepsi.

As a nation, we need some Mt Dew! Or maybe some Diet 7-up...

Does anybody out there think that Hillary's going to END this war?

DIANNE FEINSTEIN IS ONE OF HER MAIN SUPPORTERS.

DIANE IS MARRIED TO A MILITARY CONTRACTOR.

ANYBODY WANNA GUESS WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

media’s failure to effectively explore the kind of president she might be based upon her record, which includes her vote against banning cluster bombs in civilian areas.

Was this before or after her husband Bill used them to bomb civilians when he was in power?

Paul in LA @ 25:

andy @ 19:

the Clintons prefer tomahawk missiles, like the ones her Husand rained down on Iraq in the 90's and the sudan pharmaceutical plant in 97.

Which destroyed Hussein's high-explosives factor at Al-Qaqaa. The Sudan pharmaceutical plant may have been a mistake, but that has nothing to do with tomahawk (cruise) missiles.

The suggestion that the Clintons 'prefer' tomahawk missiles is ridiculous.

What did Bill use in the saturation bombing of Iraq's no-fly zones? Anyone know?

Gee, if the Hillary-hating gets any worse around here this blog will get transferred to Wingnuttia.

She's not perfect but she's one of us, and she'll be a far better President than anyone in the GOP.

So will Obama.

Can we save the hate for the real enemies of peace and freedom?

futt the wuck @ 22:

DIANNE FEINSTEIN IS ONE OF HER MAIN SUPPORTERS.

DIANE IS MARRIED TO A MILITARY CONTRACTOR.

On topic, Feinstain is the author of the current bill to BAN cluster bombs, which bill is in the FR committee.

Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act of 2007

Yea yea....eh eh eh... Why focus on qualifications or actual voting records or heaven forbid, 'all' the candidates wanting to run.. It's much more fun to just turn it into a beauty contest or a horse race or let some media suit in a penthouse tell us it's all about a woman verses a black man... Some kind of ethnic-sexist wet dream... Yea, that's a much better way to pick a president of a nuclear armed nation like ours...instead of whether or not they have qualifications or even a clue.. Wait, why don't we just skip all this ainst about a piddly little election for the leadership of this nation and just worry about Bill Bellichiks hoody...
Yea, that's the ticket......BULLOCKS!!!!! I Still think Kucinich and/or Edwards should be in this thing........JD

Paul in LA @ 29:

ConcernedCanuck @ 26:

What did Bill use in the saturation bombing of Iraq's no-fly zones? Anyone know?

Clinton never saturation bombed Iraq.

Oh they were all precision bombs in the no-fly zones? Better do a search on that one.

teknikAL @ 23:

The Political Junkie @ 4:

If she cries on cue again, I'll be mad as hell, and I sure as hell won't vote for her unless I have no choice.

The crying doesn't bother me. It's her record in private and public life that does......and her campaign finance list. Just a DLC corporate shill
I think we'll have a third party choice come November. That's where my vote will go. I've been holding my nose for too long.

obama is your third party choice..... there will be no other change candidates, whatever the party, with the experience and the integrity to affect the change our country needs..... don't waste a vote on a jokester like nader or bloomerberg

lopaloo102 @ 36:

teknikAL @ 23:

The Political Junkie @ 4:

If she cries on cue again, I'll be mad as hell, and I sure as hell won't vote for her unless I have no choice.

The crying doesn't bother me. It's her record in private and public life that does......and her campaign finance list. Just a DLC corporate shill
I think we'll have a third party choice come November. That's where my vote will go. I've been holding my nose for too long.

obama is your third party choice..... there will be no other change candidates, whatever the party, with the experience and the integrity to affect the change our country needs..... don't waste a vote on a jokester like nader or bloomerberg

Sorry I wasn't clear, third party if Clinton is the Democratic candidate. I actually like that Obama has grassroots organizing experience and has little time in DC.

myiq2xu @ 28:

Gee, if the Hillary-hating gets any worse around here this blog will get transferred to Wingnuttia.

She's not perfect but she's one of us, and she'll be a far better President than anyone in the GOP.

So will Obama.

Can we save the hate for the real enemies of peace and freedom?

Are you kidding? This site the past few months has been more pro Hillary than any other blog I spend time on. I've called it out a few times.

But yes, it has been more fair the past few days due to the fact even Hillary supporters are starting to give up hope and support Obama.

Now we read Hillary is funding her own campaign. Sure does say a lot. Obama is getting money from the people and she is spending a fortune that she got through corruption and shady land deals. America is waking up and I can't help but rejoice at the fact that "we are who we've been waiting for."

Abbybwood @ 3:

How about the fact that only Barack Obama and Ron Paul said they would vow to "renew all the un-Constitutional legislation that had been enacted" if they became POTUS. Clinton and the others refused.

you are full of lying shit....that is not what obama said and you know it.

some of you dirtbags just need to crawl back down the outhouse seat.

tanglewood @ 5:

I am so sick of hearing about how Hillary has been slighted by the press. There is a visceral hatred of the press by both Clintons and by the press for their lack of access and her past history (as a Senator) of not giving them access.

However, I deeply resent the way the media (especially, Bltizer, Matthews, Scarborough, Russert and Mitchell, all of ABC, etc) decided for us (the voters) who our candidates would be. I thought they were just awful to Edwards, Kucinich , Biden and the rest. It is terribly wrong but this is what we get after the consolidation of the media.

It is time we take our country back and out of the hands of the few. We are the people.

they did not decide who our candidates would be..ruppert murdock did

budda @ 40:

myiq2xu @ 28:

Gee, if the Hillary-hating gets any worse around here this blog will get transferred to Wingnuttia.

She's not perfect but she's one of us, and she'll be a far better President than anyone in the GOP.

So will Obama.

Can we save the hate for the real enemies of peace and freedom?

Are you kidding? This site the past few months has been more pro Hillary than any other blog I spend time on. I've called it out a few times.

But yes, it has been more fair the past few days due to the fact even Hillary supporters are starting to give up hope and support Obama.

Now we read Hillary is funding her own campaign. Sure does say a lot. Obama is getting money from the people and she is spending a fortune that she got through corruption and shady land deals. America is waking up and I can't help but rejoice at the fact that "we are who we've been waiting for."

I guess you must avoid Daily Kos... LOL
You can't even comment on election integrity on Kos without getting deleted...

Overall though there is a lot of news not getting reported because of this extended primary food fight... ahhh... I pine away for the time when bogs used their pages for actual oversight, corruption and warmongering reporting.

Doggiebobo @ 37:

Before jumping the gun, why not try googling Senate Amendment 4882 and read the
proposed amendments language. The proposed amendment was defeated by a vote
in the U.S. Senate of 70 nays to 30 yeas. So, if we are going to be critical of Hillary's
vote, let's also jump on the other 69 US Senators who voted as she did..

But to be fair, are the other 69 US Senators running for President?

Doggiebobo @ 49:

ConcernedCanuck @ 43:

Where is all this money coming from? I keep hearing everyone including the MSM saying how the economy is so crappy, so where is all the money coming from? Hillary states that she had to dip into her savings account and pull out 5 million. Obama? Well, let them speak for themselves:
"The Clinton infusion of $5 million -- and there are reports it could end up being as much as $20 million -- will give them huge resources for the next set of primaries and caucuses.

Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th. But we have no choice -- we must match their $5 million right now." http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

Where the heck is all this money coming from???????????????

You can go to www.opensecrets.org and you'll find that both Obama's and Hillary';s
funds are from individual doners/contributors. In fact, Obama receives 99 percent of
his funds from individuals and Hillary receives 90 percent from same. So, I'd surmise
that's where the money is coming from.

So then, Faux News is right in reporting the economy is healthy? (sorry gagged a little there typing that). It must be healthy or people wouldn't be throwing money like this at mere candidates, now would they? I mean these are record breaking numbers.

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47:

The point was missed. Hillary is supporting Israel (which supports her through AIPAC) on this one. The Israelis want to be able to use these against Lebanese civilians, as they did in the last war.

Clinton is not morally fit to hold the office of POTUS, and if she is the Dem nominee, I'll just have to either do a write in (Kucinich) or not vote. I will not vote for that person.

Ahhh, there it is AIPAC

Last time I mentioned that gang and the ATC and Sibel Edmonds in a comment here on C&L, all my comments were deleted in the thread.
Good luck with that!
What ever happened to Sibel, she used to be listed in the left hand margin... now, not a reference... must be a bipartisan scandal.

ConcernedCanuck @ 50:

Doggiebobo @ 49:

ConcernedCanuck @ 43:

Where is all this money coming from? I keep hearing everyone including the MSM saying how the economy is so crappy, so where is all the money coming from? Hillary states that she had to dip into her savings account and pull out 5 million. Obama? Well, let them speak for themselves:
"The Clinton infusion of $5 million -- and there are reports it could end up being as much as $20 million -- will give them huge resources for the next set of primaries and caucuses.

Thanks to you, we have raised more than $3 million since the polls closed on February 5th. But we have no choice -- we must match their $5 million right now." http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

Where the heck is all this money coming from???????????????

You can go to www.opensecrets.org and you'll find that both Obama's and Hillary';s
funds are from individual doners/contributors. In fact, Obama receives 99 percent of
his funds from individuals and Hillary receives 90 percent from same. So, I'd surmise
that's where the money is coming from.

So then, Faux News is right in reporting the economy is healthy? (sorry gagged a little there typing that). It must be healthy or people wouldn't be throwing money like this at mere candidates, now would they? I mean these are record breaking numbers.

One word=> HOPE
Hope will make the poorest spend their last dime on a long shot lottery ticket.

teknikAL @ 54:

ConcernedCanuck @ 50:

Doggiebobo @ 49:

ConcernedCanuck @ 43:
You can go to www.opensecrets.org and you'll find that both Obama's and Hillary';s
funds are from individual doners/contributors. In fact, Obama receives 99 percent of
his funds from individuals and Hillary receives 90 percent from same. So, I'd surmise
that's where the money is coming from.

So then, Faux News is right in reporting the economy is healthy? (sorry gagged a little there typing that). It must be healthy or people wouldn't be throwing money like this at mere candidates, now would they? I mean these are record breaking numbers.

One word=> HOPE
Hope will make the poorest spend their last dime on a long shot lottery ticket.

I know, alot of people have called me a cynic (amongst other things) but if these poor are throwing their money to rich, ultra rich, lifelong politicians, then they really need their heads examined.

Before I crucify Hillary I want to know what else was on the bill. Legislation always has a ton of other stuff that complicates any bill one has to vote on. I am ashamed of this story being on my favorite site. It is unfair, and a cheap shot. Granted someone loves Obama but we can all dig up crap that he has voted for or against--but he probably only voted "present".

Impeach cheney and bush @ 58:

Before I crucify Hillary I want to know what else was on the bill. Legislation always has a ton of other stuff that complicates any bill one has to vote on. I am ashamed of this story being on my favorite site. It is unfair, and a cheap shot. Granted someone loves Obama but we can all dig up crap that he has voted for or against--but he probably only voted "present".

Exactly my point as made in #53 above, but your's is more distinct.

Doggiebobo @ 37:

Before jumping the gun, why not try googling Senate Amendment 4882 and read the
proposed amendments language. The proposed amendment was defeated by a vote
in the U.S. Senate of 70 nays to 30 yeas. So, if we are going to be critical of Hillary's
vote, let's also jump on the other 69 US Senators who voted as she did..

Hillary Clinton voted against the ban on cluster bombs in civilian areas. Barack Obama voted for the ban. Those are the two Democratic candidates running for office. The complete text of the amendment can be found by clicking on the link in the post.

Also, just an fyi, folks: the purpose of this post over at MBH is not to spin for either candidate. It's just to present one of the most substantive differentiators between their Senate records, which the MSM has ignored. The purpose was to bring you vital information on a candidate so you can make a more informed choice, whomever you choose, even if it's neither of them. Facts are facts.

For the commenter who called this "Hillary hating," I respectfully say please take a breath. This is part of her record. And potentially a very telling vote of how she might lead our country. Or not. That's for you to decide. But if you don't know this information, it can't be factored into your decision. If you want the media to tell us the truth, to focus on substantive issues and the actual records of candidates, rather than the stupid horse race, sartorial choices and haircuts, you can't yell "Hillary haters" when something valid is brought up. That's intellectually dishonest. That's what the true wingnuts do. I prefer reality.

ConcernedCanuck @ 56:

teknikAL @ 54:

ConcernedCanuck @ 50:

Doggiebobo @ 49:

So then, Faux News is right in reporting the economy is healthy? (sorry gagged a little there typing that). It must be healthy or people wouldn't be throwing money like this at mere candidates, now would they? I mean these are record breaking numbers.

One word=> HOPE
Hope will make the poorest spend their last dime on a long shot lottery ticket.

I know, alot of people have called me a cynic (amongst other things) but if these poor are throwing their money to rich, ultra rich, lifelong politicians, then they really need their heads examined.

you misunderstand, i think.....clinton is not getting any money.

rather obama is, and he is an uncorrupted nouveau riche, freshman senator......

the people donating their money to obama are trying to save their country from the destructive self-serving greed of party-machine politics-- that's bush, mccain, clinton....

money sent to obama will be the best ROI any of us will see in our lifetime.....people are recognizing this generational opportunity.

the money flow should make peole feel good about the intelligence,prudence and patriotism of the electorate they are often so quick to gleefully dismiss as idiots

lopaloo102 @ 9:

tanglewood @ 5:

I am so sick of hearing about how Hillary has been slighted by the press. ......

i feel the same about the perpetual whine that edwards, kucinich, paul, and the rest of the dead-charm losers, got similarly raw deals.

nobody liked them. voters ignored them, and the press reflected that.

and so too the rise of obama and the fall of clinton

and with that being said weve all lost!the shits in the wind!

tyree @ 66:

lopaloo102 @ 9:

tanglewood @ 5:

I am so sick of hearing about how Hillary has been slighted by the press. ......

i feel the same about the perpetual whine that edwards, kucinich, paul, and the rest of the dead-charm losers, got similarly raw deals.

nobody liked them. voters ignored them, and the press reflected that.

and so too the rise of obama and the fall of clinton

and with that being said weve all lost!the shits in the wind!

just the opposite....

sun's on the horizon, lifting slowly into a most glorious rise; a new day.

teknikAL @ 52:

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47:

The point was missed. Hillary is supporting Israel (which supports her through AIPAC) on this one. The Israelis want to be able to use these against Lebanese civilians, as they did in the last war.

Clinton is not morally fit to hold the office of POTUS, and if she is the Dem nominee, I'll just have to either do a write in (Kucinich) or not vote. I will not vote for that person.

Ahhh, there it is AIPAC

Last time I mentioned that gang and the ATC and Sibel Edmonds in a comment here on C&L, all my comments were deleted in the thread.
Good luck with that!
What ever happened to Sibel, she used to be listed in the left hand margin... now, not a reference... must be a bipartisan scandal.

And what else did you post in that comment? I've seen many comments here that included AIPAC/Edmonds/ATC- they didn't get deleted. Or were you abusive to anither commenter in that comment? Did you blame the worldwide cabal of jews? Did you include a 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Or did it just not appear? I've lost comments to the spam filter here- a quick note to the Site Monitors had them restored pronto. Did you bother to e-mail the monitors? Be honest.

lopaloo102 @ 68:

tyree @ 66:

lopaloo102 @ 9:

tanglewood @ 5:

i feel the same about the perpetual whine that edwards, kucinich, paul, and the rest of the dead-charm losers, got similarly raw deals.

nobody liked them. voters ignored them, and the press reflected that.

and so too the rise of obama and the fall of clinton

and with that being said we've all lost!the shits in the wind!

just the opposite....

sun's on the horizon, lifting slowly into a most glorious rise; a new day.

Until you realize there are super delegates, and it's like the Dawn of the Dead: the real horror of the DLC zombies LMFAO

I miss the days of the fairness doctrine in broadcast.

"the silent treatment it afforded John Edwards?!" Why, the media wouldn't shut up about Edwards.

Signed,

Joe Biden

teknikAL @ 72:

lopaloo102 @ 68:

tyree @ 66:

lopaloo102 @ 9:
and with that being said we've all lost!the shits in the wind!

just the opposite....

sun's on the horizon, lifting slowly into a most glorious rise; a new day.

Until you realize there are super delegates, and it's like the Dawn of the Dead: the real horror of the DLC zombies LMFAO

I miss the days of the fairness doctrine in broadcast.

no chance in hell that the superdelegates would steal the election from obama, if that's what it came down to.

i just can't believe it-- after two stolen elections, the doj purge, and all that....that we'd do it intra party.... no way

Andy K @ 70:

teknikAL @ 52:

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47:

The point was missed. Hillary is supporting Israel (which supports her through AIPAC) on this one. The Israelis want to be able to use these against Lebanese civilians, as they did in the last war.

Clinton is not morally fit to hold the office of POTUS, and if she is the Dem nominee, I'll just have to either do a write in (Kucinich) or not vote. I will not vote for that person.

Ahhh, there it is AIPAC

Last time I mentioned that gang and the ATC and Sibel Edmonds in a comment here on C&L, all my comments were deleted in the thread.
Good luck with that!
What ever happened to Sibel, she used to be listed in the left hand margin... now, not a reference... must be a bipartisan scandal.

And what else did you post in that comment? I've seen many comments here that included AIPAC/Edmonds/ATC- they didn't get deleted. Or were you abusive to anither commenter in that comment? Did you blame the worldwide cabal of jews? Did you include a 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Or did it just not appear? I've lost comments to the spam filter here- a quick note to the Site Monitors had them restored pronto. Did you bother to e-mail the monitors? Be honest.

It appeared, then when I navigated back, it was gone. The only remnant was a quote of one of my posts with some one agreeing, but with my words deleted.
No, no 'cabal of jews' conspiracy as that would include me. The biggest 911 conspiracy I can think of is the official story, but that mashugana I didn't mention.

I commented on the London Times stories starting here, here and here. I also linked to Sibel's own personal web page, this here page by Lukery and something from an ex spook conservative, a libertarian, and from this guy here.

Maybe it was the conservative link. This story was news world wide except the US. No, I didn't bother to email the site monitor. Hmmm come to think of it I did call shenanigans because I saw no C&L link to any of this...

teknikAL @ 78:

Andy K @ 70:

teknikAL @ 52:

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47: Ahhh, there it is AIPAC

Last time I mentioned that gang and the ATC and Sibel Edmonds in a comment here on C&L, all my comments were deleted in the thread.
Good luck with that!
What ever happened to Sibel, she used to be listed in the left hand margin... now, not a reference... must be a bipartisan scandal.

And what else did you post in that comment? I've seen many comments here that included AIPAC/Edmonds/ATC- they didn't get deleted. Or were you abusive to anither commenter in that comment? Did you blame the worldwide cabal of jews? Did you include a 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Or did it just not appear? I've lost comments to the spam filter here- a quick note to the Site Monitors had them restored pronto. Did you bother to e-mail the monitors? Be honest.

It appeared, then when I navigated back, it was gone. The only remnant was a quote of one of my posts with some one agreeing, but with my words deleted.
No, no 'cabal of jews' conspiracy as that would include me. The biggest 911 conspiracy I can think of is the official story, but that mashugana I didn't mention.

I commented on the London Times stories starting here, here and here. I also linked to Sibel's own personal web page, this here page by Lukery and something from an ex spook conservative, a libertarian, and from this guy here.

Maybe it was the conservative link. This story was news world wide except the US. No, I didn't bother to email the site monitor. Hmmm come to think of it I did call shenanigans because I saw no C&L link to any of this...

Well, I've been hanging out here for a few years, and all I can tell ya is that your gonna be best satisfied if you communicate with the site monitors, and you do so as soon as you notice a "problem". He who hesitates is....uhhhmmm...unsatisfied? :D

Happy Bob Marley's B'day everyone!

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47:

The Israelis want to be able to use these against Lebanese civilians, as they did in the last war.

The amendment was just after the Lebanon warcrimes by Israel. She voted against it -- that was indeed support for Israel, as I noted back in #18.

However, an amendment is not a bill, and the vote against an amendment is not necessarily 'support' for cluster bombs. As I pointed out in #30, Senator Feinstain is the author of a bill that would ban such use of cluster bombs. Clinton has not signed on a co-sponsor, but IF anyone actually had feelings about this issue other than Clinton-bashing, they would work to get this bill out of committee, and onto the Senate floor for a vote.

Those supporting Clinton should contact her offices and tell her to sign on as a co-sponsor.

Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act of 2007

Co-sponsors:

Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 6/19/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 7/19/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 4/10/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 3/21/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 11/8/2007
Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. [PA] - 12/3/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 5/2/2007
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] - 5/23/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 2/27/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 11/13/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 2/14/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 2/14/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard [VT] - 2/14/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] - 7/16/2007
Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] - 11/13/2007

Paul in LA @ 84:

Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 47:

The Israelis want to be able to use these against Lebanese civilians, as they did in the last war.

The amendment was just after the Lebanon warcrimes by Israel. She voted against it -- that was indeed support for Israel, as I noted back in #18.

However, an amendment is not a bill, and the vote against an amendment is not necessarily 'support' for cluster bombs. As I pointed out in #30, Senator Feinstain is the author of a bill that would ban such use of cluster bombs. Clinton has not signed on a co-sponsor, but IF anyone actually had feelings about this issue other than Clinton-bashing, they would work to get this bill out of committee, and onto the Senate floor for a vote.

Those supporting Clinton should contact her offices and tell her to sign on as a co-sponsor.

Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act of 2007

Co-sponsors:

Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 6/19/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 7/19/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 4/10/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 3/21/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 11/8/2007
Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. [PA] - 12/3/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 5/2/2007
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] - 5/23/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 2/27/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 11/13/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 2/14/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 2/14/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard [VT] - 2/14/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] - 7/16/2007
Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] - 11/13/2007

clearly a paid clinton supporter

tyree-

Lay off, will you?!?!

I've been reading almost every one of Paul in LA's comments since he started posting here, and he's not what you say he is. At least not what you say he is tonight.

I'd like to think that you wouldn't look at his comment you just quoted and call him a Feinstein supporter, either, but you probably would- even though Paul has bashed Feinstein more in single threads than you have ever posted about her at all.

The worst thing anyone can say about Paul, while remaining honest, is that he's loyal to the Democratic Party. I take him at his word- like I take you at your word when you write about what you have done in your life- that he works for progressive change inside the party. Why do I take either of you at your own words? Because you're both consistent in presenting your own points of view. You don't get caught in your own lies- because neither of you lie.

So now Paul is being consistent because he's protecting one of the two people who will be nominated by the Democratic Party. And, if I know Paul, he'll back up Obama in the exact same manner when people start flinging shit at Obama. Maybe Paul has done that already today. Maybe he did so on the Obama Speech thread. And maybe, just maybe, you might find a reason to apologize to him some day.

But that's on you, tyree.

And hey, Bambi? The homophobia isn't endearing (#88).

teknikAL @ 82:

Happy Bob Marley's B'day everyone!

Gone too young; his son's stuff is on the radio tonight, I love it.

Paul in LA has proven on these many threads that he is a Democratic party plant......or a hopelessly deluded partisan.

Either way he ain't pretty. But he is boringly regular in his ass kissing of Democratic haks who have destroyed progressive action in America.

My Senator Leahy has been blowing his horn about how he was so great for sponsoring a bill against land mines years ago. I basically told him that that was a no brainer, so he should take on something really challenging (and shut up).

It amazes me that I see people chanting Obama and Clinton (and McCain, etc.) like these politicians are heros. It's the ultimate EGO trip, and we should be very sceptical and not go emotionally for the cult of personality.

We should all be holding their feet to the fire (in the fire if a Rethug like Mittens who loves torture) to get them to VOW to uphold the Constitution by repealing the Patridiot Act, renounce torture and bring to trial those who approved it, respect and honor treaties we as a country signed and to investigate, impeach, try, convict and imprison the Bush Administration criminals, and transfer them to the International Court in the Hague. The next president should take the 9-11 commission and reconstitute it with objective experts in law, physics and relevant fields, not political hacks, and have everyone testify in public under oath.

Anything less and we are the cowards. Time to take back our government, from the Rethugs and the Dems.

I volunteered for the Air Farce when I was 17 during the Viet Nam fiasco, and they immediately tried to deceive me into duty that I did not choose. So I cancelled my sign up right before I was to take the oath. Then they tried to draft me and send me to Viet Nam. Then the government tried to tell me pot was dangerous. For 40 years the government has been lying to me, about just about everything. But I had the opportunity by 18 to see it for what it is. And they have been consistently brutal and dishonest. If I could bet on the government's credibility I'd be very rich now.

So Bill may sink some of that Ron Burkle related $20 Million into Hillary's mismanaged campaign. So Massachusetts last minute ad buy proved too costly for her. So she can't manage her campaign money, and people don't wanna give it to her. So she'll do a bush on the budget too.

You wanna trust her with WHAT?

The bigger issue is, she knew, going into Super Tuesday, she was going to have to deal with Feb 9 and a few others. I think it's called Pace Yourself.

And oh yeah, if Bill does $hine $ome love on her that way, it'$ illegal I hear.

paul k incase your wondering how a sailor on a us navy distroyer dureing the korean war can say he used a browning automatic rifel in north korea ,ill tell you or anyone else that would question it, a destroyer has no marines aboard for landing force missions so it uses crew members for small on the beach opperations , haveing shot expert in boot camp i was picked for that landing force , and made several landings on enemy held beaches, thats how i wound up fighting some with a bar! just wanted to clear that up,

Wow - I am just stunned at how many of you just hate Hillary to death.

I'm going to go out on a limb and without hate just say that you all have drank the cool-aid and you don't know the flavor. You have no idea what kind of POTUS Obama will make and I gather you'll all be dumbfounded surprised. And if you are not I hope to hell I am! I really think that Obama will not be what you think he is. And Hillary will be what you think she is not.

pissed off patricia @ 16:

Hillary had to loan herself 5 million dollars for her campaign this month.

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There is MUCH MORE to it !
The end is near for the Clinton(s) Machine. If we are really lucky, we won't have to listen to that deceitful shrill much longer. She is divisive, she has more baggage than Paris Hilton on vacation, and the GOP is salivating to run against her.

I just hope Obama will send her packing w/her ideas of being PIMPED by/ with/ ""FAUX debates" (now, probably run by the new hire: Karlos, the W's Jackal).

""Penn said Clinton would like to see debates in Ohio, Texas, and Washington, and had already accepted three: One on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolous, one CNN debate in Ohio February 27, and an MSNBC debate the next day hosted by Chris Matthews.

Wolfson also said Clinton has accepted a debate on Fox News, something Democrats shunned last year. That debate is scheduled for February 11, in Washington D.C., and would also air on the local Fox affiliate.

Obama should say "no way" to the smear mongers on Fox. It's incomprehensible that Clinton would seek to legitimize the Republican Party's chief propaganda arm"".

shillary is ready to be PIMPED not only by FAUX, but also corpo-big-mouth Stephanopoulos (fmr Clinton employee), and by TWEETY !! Her OWN campaign stated so !!

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Clinton Lent Campaign $5 Million, Considers More

February 6, 2008, 3:25 pm
By Kate Phillips

Updated LOS ANGELES — Our colleague Patrick Healy tells us that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, facing big primaries against her rival Senator Barack Obama in places like Ohio and Texas, is weighing whether to lend her campaign money.

And in a quick update, her campaign has just confirmed that she’d already lent her coffers $5 million of her own money in late January. "" -cont at the link.
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So, she's been doing exactly the same as Mittens, who's been shredded and villified for it. So should she, for Romney-style checkbook campaigning. She IS toast.

Isn't it precious, that on her meager federal employee salary, she has extra play money, just $5 mln, just waiting to be flushed down the loo - and smearing other Democrats as she goes. Many of her donors had already maxed out for the primary season.

Obama’s campaign boasted a haul in January of $32 million with a lot of new, smaller donors.

It shows in what manner she would deal with the US economy, and us, the 300 mln pawns. It will NOT work as: Bill Clinton and Chelsea: ""Help my mom, please. For the nation ! "" Although the nation cannot stomach any more Clinton lies and shenanigans. We are living the same w/ current administration, which RUINED us - there is NO room nor time for any more of this, and Bill peddled already ALL the uranium deposits from Kazakhstan to another ClintonFamily Canadian co-owner-shareholder: Clinton philantropy became another slime-word.

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"".. current US government employees are limited in what they can receive in “outside income.” As I recall, Hillary signed her book deal and pocketed the advance just before assuming office on January 20th. So, what is the true source of the money she is lending to her campaign? Is it really Bill’s income, making him at least a co-lender? I think she can lend money to her campaign, but I question whether he can do so legally. And, what about the money that has already been lent prior to this $5 million? Was this also his money?"" How LEGAL is that
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The Clinton legacy isn't blow jobs in the Oral Office or being impeached and disbarred. The real Clinton legacy is about Bill allowing his contributors to sell missile separation technology to communist China. Now China can send multiple warheads to every inch of North America.

sHillary probably put the deal together.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Then, there's the Clintons...

sHillary, Hasta la vista, baby…

Why on earth would the MSM mention that Clinton is for cluster bombing civilians? The American people have been whipped into a frenzy of fear to kill everybody outside our borders. We _want_ all foreign civilians cluster bombed. That's why the Republicans are poised to give us "good guy maverick" McCain with his 100 years in Iraq and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". The Media can't have Hillary butting in on his good genocide action.

Paul in LA @ 25:

andy @ 19:

the Clintons prefer tomahawk missiles, like the ones her Husand rained down on Iraq in the 90's and the sudan pharmaceutical plant in 97.

Which destroyed Hussein's high-explosives factor at Al-Qaqaa. The Sudan pharmaceutical plant may have been a mistake, but that has nothing to do with tomahawk (cruise) missiles.

The suggestion that the Clintons 'prefer' tomahawk missiles is ridiculous.

That makes it ok ? is Iraq not allowed to have weapons at all ? how about if Iraq bombed the US weapons factories, would that be justified ? Americans are now in this mind set that it's ok to bomb countries if they don't line up and be servile to the empire.

Bill didn't use tomahawk missiles against that plant ?

erm what's this then ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tomohawk_engines.jpg

Reading the blogs now is like watching Fox News. The hatred of Hillary over at Americablog has gone into wingnuttia realm and doesn't seem a whole lot better here. I'm not a Hillary supporter, I supported Edwards because I thought it might really be a time when we could run a true progressive and really bring change for the better for our country but the corporate media took care of that by making him invisible. But, this Hillary hatred by Obama supporters is just wrong. There is a cult mentality, kinda like right-wingnut churches, surrounding Obama that makes me really nervous. For the first time since 1968 I might have to sit this one out.

Bluesage @ 110:

Reading the blogs now is like watching Fox News. The hatred of Hillary over at Americablog has gone into wingnuttia realm and doesn't seem a whole lot better here. I'm not a Hillary supporter, I supported Edwards because I thought it might really be a time when we could run a true progressive and really bring change for the better for our country but the corporate media took care of that by making him invisible. But, this Hillary hatred by Obama supporters is just wrong. There is a cult mentality, kinda like right-wingnut churches, surrounding Obama that makes me really nervous. For the first time since 1968 I might have to sit this one out.

Just because someone criticizes Clinton doesn't mean they support Obama, it's like democrats assuming your a republican when you criticize them.

Put a sock in it Pelosi. YOU are the paid troll.

YOU made a false statement, and then you tried to cover it up with a rhetorical question.

You didn't get away with it.

"in civilian areas"
Every single thing from all candidates can be phrased in very grey formula of "me, me, I'm the voter - priorities". .
But, Hillary is certainly the smartest horse in the race, intellectually and politically.