Hillary Clinton's Super Tuesday Speech
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Feb 05, 2008 2:35pmSuper Tuesday was a huge day for both Democratic candidates and for the party. Voter turnout has far exceeded expectations and the wave keeps building. The media is showering John McCain with praise, but never mention the fact that he got far fewer votes than Democratic candidates in most states -- Clinton took in over one million more votes than he did in California alone.
*We will also be posting Senator Obama's speech in it's entirety.
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[obama's speech will be posted next]
MSNBC -
Obama 838
Clinton 834
Not including superdelegates, of which they can switch their vote all the way up to convention. How's about posting Obama's victory speech sense he won more delgates and more states?
Is the "MSM" annointing McCrazy the next Presidunce?
He is like Bob Dole ... who happens to acknowledge global warming.
[deleted - obama's speech will be posted soon.]
As others have said... if she wins the nomination I will vote for her... but I have to admit that I don't like her. Her tone, the way she carries herself just seems odd and discomforting to me. Its to the point that I can't watch her anymore than I can watch George Bush Jr. It just grates on me and I think a lot of other people. Its just one more reason not to put her up against McCain.
It's time for Obama to seize the momentum with some bold action: picking Jim Webb as a potential running mate -- NOW!
[the post has been updated, we are posting both speeches.]
Hey Obama supporters, i feel it my responsibility to break this news to you, Obama ain't "anti war", he's pro interventionist and has Zebrig brzezinski advising him, to find out what that guy is all about clcik this link
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
Oh but forget about, he's "cool" so vote for him.
well it wouldn't be interesting if it wasn't a horse race and if it's not interesting, who's going to tune in to the political programming? got to make the races seem tighter than they are, because its not about the issues, but who is leading where and when. big media continues to dictate our political process.
If Billary wins, you will see a huge number of people who voted in the primaries NOT vote. Possibly ever again.
I don't think the site is biased. Every day it seems that someone accuses them of being pro Hillary or pro Obama. Seems if both sides complain, it must be fair.
For whatever reason the speech is just a black square on my computer. No place to play it or anything. I did hear today that Hillary's speech last night was very good. Since I haven't heard but dribs and drabs of it, I don't know.
I do know that as far as just listening to someone talk, I would much rather hear Obama than Hillary, no matter what they are talking about.
I really wish you people would relax a little. Honestly, jumping to conclusions could be a national sport here.
Think of it this way- Mrs Clinton's speech is put up first, and then Obama's is put up next. Now, what order is that going to appear on the front page?
While I have my own definite favorite, I can't help but feel like I'm drudging through some of the comments posted here. People, stop trying to turn the comments section into a fanatical mud slinging contest. Please. The site is only as good as we are.
Fox Conscience @ 10:
Upon what do you base that theory?
woah things are getting strict around here :(
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Come on people, read the post!
They will post the next Presidents "50 state" strategy speech
soon!!
Let's get together soon and drive down ticket races across
the country! I'm talkin' Super Majority '08!! Progress is at hand!
Don Davis @ 7:
i think to be fair to the america people -- in the spirit of fairness -- he should pick her as a running mate and/or she should pick him as one.
Seriously guys... if you pick Hillary as your champion, you're doomed. I've long since given up on thinking Americans have any sense, but if Dems can't see that she is far too divisive an individual, then you deserve another 4 years of Republican rule. The sad thing is, the rest of the planet doesn't. Obama might be far from perfect, but he's your best bet for a lot for reasons.
gag.
John @ 17:
Here, Here !!
Maybe C&L needs to post an open thread every afternoon called, Piss and Moan. Then everyone can comment about whatever is making them angry. Get all that anger in one thread and then leave it there for the rest of the day. :)
booooo...
if Clinton wins it'll be the first time I ever vote for a Republican just to spite the Democrats
rusty b. shakleford @ 16:
That's a tough one -- I doubt either would really be interested. She already played second banana to Bill, and Barack wouldn't want to be third-string behind Hillary and Bill.
John @ 17:
I agree with you but we can't waterboard all the Hillary fans and force them to vote for Obama. That's the beauty of this thing, we are free to fu*k things up.
I'm kinda kidding and kinda not, when it comes to being free to screw things up.
Ohio Proud @ 19:
I second that here, here!
How about Wes Clark to run with Obama?
Those of you clamoring for Obama's speech: are you supporters of his? Because, I gotta tell you, it wasn't good. He was dead tired, stumbled, and blew several lines. Better to look at one of his earlier speeches.
Here's someone else simply enthused with Super Tuesday
http://www.comedycentral.com/press/images/southpark/BigGayAl.jpg
Hillary doesn't have many fans on this site, as far as I can tell. But this was BY FAR the most impressive speech I heard last night. This sounded like a president speaking, very calculated, very impressive.
Obama's was not as presidential, I thought, but also very well written in that he drove home the word "Different"--he must have said it every other sentence. Which is really smart, product reinforcement. Very well done.
Very little to say about McCain or Romney's speech, other than that Romney sounded like an idiot when he talked about "America in decline". Once I heard Hillary's speech, then he sounded like an idiot ranting with his head cut off, literally.
Hillary's speech really won me over. How about that throwback line about health care--"Every man, woman, and child!" Hope she didn't hurt herself showing support for stem-cell research (so many people have been programmed to think of destroying embryos when they hear that)
pissed off patricia @ 20:
C&L has a dose of the clap?
giantpeach @ 28:
Almost...triangulated...?
nodynasty @ 21:
in that case, your not only a misogynist, but not too clear headed either.
ysbaddaden @ 29:
Don't make me come over there and spank you.
ysbaddaden @ 29:
I would gleet that with amusement.
I voted for Barak, but if Hillary wins the nomination I'll support her as long as she and Slick Willie lay off the sneaky divisive political shit slinging. We've got two good Quarterbacks either of whom can win for us.
HILLARY had more voters vote for her than Obama and his caucus states.
Overall, she won the popular vote, and super delegates are in her favor.
But alas, Oprah & Kennedys & MSM already anointed Obama, the Golden messiah of "Hope and Change Incorporated."
Fox Conscience @ 10:
There are so many reasons not to like either Democratic candidate, beginning with the fact that they are not progressive enough. (Chris Dodd, John Edwards, and Dennis Kucinich just weren't going to be there in the end).
That said, here's the way I look at it -
I can't stand Obama's message of hope and hugs. It isn't time to make nice with any Republican (except Chuck Hagel, but he's retiring). I can't stand his wife, who continues to tell voters that they should vote for her husband because he decided to run for President rather than double his millions (please!).
But consider this - JFK got elected without the USA knowing much about him. Not much at all. No clear idea where he stood on civil rights. No long record in the senate. But he looked like the right guy for the job.
Now look at Clinton. I hate to sound like a wingnut, but who else here thought the following. If Clinton wins:
1. Janet Reno would come out of retirement (doubtful)
2. Monica Lewinsky would come back from the LSE, diploma in hand and get a job in the Clinton administration
3. Madeline Albright would come out of retirement
4. What's Vernon Jordan doing these days?
5. "George! Screw ABC. You're our new WH spokesperson! You're such a cute little Greek boy, George!"
6. Stephen Spielberg, you can be the czar of something!
7. "Say hello to the first Secretary of the Environment, a new cabinet position, Al Gore, er, I mean someone else. Screw the Gore family. They suck."
SM @ 35:
You'd prefer the official candidate of Citibank and Aetna?
Her voice grates on me like Fran Drescher. I refuse to vote for her...ever! If after 8 years of President Dumb-Dumb the Dem. establishment that has been kissing his ass the whole time, thinks they can win against McCain using the same strategy that garned losses in every election until '06 was won by progressives, than good luck, and F*ck 'em!
I'm staying home.
Change for victory
Hillary/Powell 2008
Peace is not a dream
McCain/Rice 2008
But alas, Oprah & Kennedys & MSM already anointed Obama, the Golden messiah of “Hope and Change Incorporated.”
Oh don't worry...Hillary has Speilberg, Hanks and Wall $treet behind her.
Hope at last
Hillary/Rumsfeld 2008
pissed off patricia @ 25:
I think that's who Hillary has in mind as veep.
Hillary will almost certainly choose Wes Clark as a running mate. Behind every great woman is a bad-ass general!
Hey Samo - STFU and go trolling somewhere else.
To the guy who said he'd vote McCain to spite Clinton, why not just vote Nader? At least you'd still be voting for someone you believe in. At least, that's what I plan to do.
Do some of you actually believe that Clinton has a better chance of defeating McCain than Obama? If the democratic party establishment nominates her (and if it's a statistical dead heat by the convention, that may actually be the case), the dems will deserve to lose. In fact, when McCain trounces her, people will (rightly) begin to wonder if the democratic party is even capable of winning a presidential election ever again.
Wake up, democrats!
Dr. Acula @ 46:
They must have sprayed under the bridges, there seems to be a few in here.
Dr. Acula @ 44:
Well Hillary can't have him if Obama wins the nomination. Clark could be his, all his. :)
I look forward to the posting of Obama's speech as well so that I can compare and contrast. I would also be interested in the following:
-A side by side listing of both candidates' positions. Entirely too many folks responding to posts like this keep stating that either Obama or Hillary are way different from each other but so far most everything I read puts them very close.
-An economic analysis of both of their health care proposals. Not just how much they would cost and who would pay, but how it would likely look 5-10 years out. Also it would be nice to know weaknesses. I hear complaints that Clinton's plan would 'force' folks and Obama's plan would not be able to contain costs (due to young folks mostly likely with money in their pockets not needing or desiring insurance).
-A comparison of how they reached deals and consensus. I am frankly tired of the wildly baseless assumption of how amazing Obama would be (with seemingly limited evidence) and how awful Clinton would be (due to the 94' plan and rumors).
-A Snopes style fact check list of all the claims people keep repeating (over and over) about either Obama or Clinton.
I am still undecided. I like Obama's statemanship, presence, and two issues he handled in IL I think were very pragmatic albeit his growing progressive base would likely have cow or three. I however am getting the same vibe in my gut I got with Bush Jr. I like Clinton's pragmatism, effective skills in smaller groups (like discussions or debates) as I think it speaks to a strongly managerial approach but she has bent to public perception in the past and entirely too many folks appear dedicated to her failure (on both sides). However, I am not suggesting I agree that she is poll driven as the facts show Obama is adjusting his message as much as Clinton based on money spent on polls. That simply the reality of a post Nixon politician, I don't like it but it clearly works.
And please, please, please... stop the hate filled posts. I simply cannot fathom why it is wrong that conversative host, sites, and blogs do it but its OK if folks on this side do it. Its moronic either way and ensures it continues. If Democratics win big this fall and do it mostly united with RESPECT for dissenting opinion on their 'side', it would go a long way to finally marginalizing asshats like Limbaugh for the truly independent majority. (IMO)
Okay, who fed the trolls and then left their cage open? I swear, do I have to do everything around here?
Ugh... I just think Senator Clinton is the wrong choice for this year. The GOP is fractured, none of the uber-Right Wing wants to support McCain, they're not crazy for Mitt, and Huckabee is so Jesusy he even freaks out Republicans!
So here comes another Clinton to fire up the GOP base and turn out their voters in record numbers.
And I bet if this decision for goes to the convention, the Clinton machine will force the MI and FL delegates, you know... the primaries where Hillary "forgot" to remove her name from the ballots as agreed, to be counted and tip the scales to her advantage.
Forgive me... I have Obamania!!
pissed off patricia @ 25:
Nice idea. Or Chris Dodd or Joe Biden.
Hillary the lesser threat to McCain
Obama did win more states and delegates than HRC.
Ok...call me crazy...I KNOW I'm gonna catch hell over this...but sometimes...in certain lighting, and with a shit-ton o' make-up...Ol' Hillary don't look half bad.
bmw 528 @ 53:
I don't know how it works if you choose someone who dropped out of the race so early. I'm not sure what that says. As far as I'm concerned, Chris Dodd would be a great pick. I was just thinking of someone with military experience and a hell of a smart man. Clark is a Rhodes Scholar, so he's no dummy.
I have no doubt that Clark will be a prominent member of Democratic President's administration, VP, Sec of State or Sec of Def. Either HRC or Obama will need him to fix the debacle in Iraq.
liberalNmoderation @ 55:
You will not catch any hell from me. You are right, under certain conditions she is very pleasant looking.
It's about the future of the party.....
More Dems right?
Down Ticket Please
The only chance that the Republicans have to win is if we progressives do the same scorched earth shit that they are presently practicing. Our worst candidate is better than the Repub's best. Pres. McCain, Huckabee, get the fuck out of here! Let's stop the bullshit, none of us want another fucking Repub in the White House, So stop lying about voting the GOP.
pissed off patricia @ 58:
Right easy on the eyes, as we say up in the south. :)
SM @ 35:
Um, to borrow a phrase "Sadly, No!"
Tally of votes cast either for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in last night's events:
Clinton - 7,350,238 (50.2%)
Obama - 7,295,400 (49.8%)
Difference - 54,838 (0.4%)
In most states, a margin that small triggers an automatic recount. So while she did win, the margin of victory does not indicate any kind of "broad support".
Plus, Obama won 13 states to Clinton's 9 (New Mexico remains too close to call, though Hillary leads by and handful of votes).
I just heard bush's comment on the tornadoes last night. It began something like this. There were bad storms that hurt a lot of people in a variety of states.
If he had sounded less sincere or concerned he wouldn't have said anything at all.
So does anyone here think Hillary for Obama could have done better in showing concern and compassion? Yeah, me too.
does nobody else in here realize that hillary's speech was genius over and above anybody else's last night?
she is so pumped to be president, i have to get behind her (not in the way liberalNmoderation wants to though.. hehe)
liberalNmoderation @ 61:
I'm still rootin for Obama though...though if she does get the nomination...I'll vote for her over any republican.
Sambo@40 Hey Sambo! take your minstrel show back to the other side.
Patricia wrote:
I agree with you but we can’t waterboard all the Hillary fans and force them to vote for Obama. That’s the beauty of this thing, we are free to fu*k things up. I’m kinda kidding and kinda not, when it comes to being free to screw things up.
True enough, but there's a problem with that "liberal" formulation, and it goes like this:
You may be dead right, but if you're dead it doesn't matter.
Sure: We can "screw up" but: it's NOT OK. And it's not really beautiful. This is the range of it, from TweakerCentral:
1. Huckabee. Will lose to Hillary or Obama. IF he got elected, it would be the end of the American Experiment itself, and would herald a new dark ages.
2. Romney. Will lose to Hillary or Obama. IF he got elected, it would be basically 4 more years of Bush-like creeping fascism and a further dismantling of the republic.
3. McCain. Would lose to Obama, but could actually beat Hillary. IF he got elected, it would be 4 years of drifting at a time when the USA can't drift. The USA must lead and sacrifice much of its accumulations - the world simply can't have a USA in its midst much longer, and a McCain administration would be hobbled by a Democratic congress, a collapsing economy, an empty treasury, and an over extended military. He is disliked by the fascists and liberals and the left in general, and his support is only in the centre-right drear of standard retarded America. His administration would not be as pathetic as Bush's but it wouldn't be very good, and would simply limp the nation to the next election. his administration would see the packing of the supreme court with right wing judges, and THAT would be a disaster.
4. Obama. could beat McCain. would run a weakly centre-left gov't that would frequently dip into centre-right policies when they are presented as pragmatic and expedient. His administration would likely begin to dismantle the disasters of the Bush Admin. Mostly: he would get the USA out of Iraq. He would surround himself with smart people, and smart people know that going after Iran is utterly stupid, and I think the Pentagon would really drag its feet on that. I also think he would face economic facts, and begin to build down the military and prepare the USA for a new multipolar geopolitic. This would free up huge sums of credit and money which would be needed to keep the insane and destructive consumption economy rolling, and I am certain he is VERY much interested in keeping that giant shitball on the tracks. He would put centre left judges on the supreme court.
5. Billary. Could lose to McCain. However, she could also beat McCain. If she won, her administration would be hamstrung by a divisive and obstructionist Republican minority that would whip the media in to a lather against her. He policies would be centre-right (globalist, unipolar, corporatist) but would veer centre-left when needed. she would put centre-left judges in the supreme court. She would also do her best to keep the insane and destructive consumption economy rolling, but I doubt that she could keep it working. I think her administration would, like her husbands, be very mediocre - but even that would be seen as a vast improvement by history. Her administration would suck, but not as bad as McCains. That said, I don't think it would be as bad as her most fervent critics suggest. Like McCain, she would keep the machine clumping along.
The problem is: what we are facing is of enormous historical import. We Can't Fuck Up. We have to get this one right, and right now, Obama is the closest thing we've got.
There is nothing all that wrong with Hillary(except her war vote and her refusal to admit she backed the wrong horse on that one). I supported Edwards and will now go with Obama. However, have no doubt that I will vote for Hillary if she becomes the Dem. candidate.
giantpeach @ 64:
HA! You read entirely too much into my statement...just because I think she's purty sometimes...don't mean I wanna bump uglies with her, lol!
pissed off patricia @ 58:
I'd even venture to say she might be downright stunning offering her resignation speech in March.
pissed off patricia @ 56:
I am thinking out loud...but whoever wins(Hillary or Obama) I suspect neither will
pick Biden/Dodd or any other Dem who is a current member of the U.S. Senate.
That would leave TWO Dem Senate seats open for election and we do not need to
have fewer, but MORE, Dems in the Senate.
ysbaddaden @ 69:
that's actually immature and offensive
I was gonna vote for Edwards after neither Gore, Clarke nor Feingold got into the race, but I'll be only too glad to yank my lever for Hillary.
giantpeach @ 64:
Well she has pumped a former president after all. Tee hee hee!
Tweakerbell @ 67:
Awesome!!!!
giantpeach @ 73:
Okay, keep Her out of it...
Wow, Clinton beat Obama by almost one million votes?
And strangely enough, almost one million voters in LA were denied their voting rights. Hmmmmmm... Disqualifying voters' ballots or even refusing to let independents vote in the dem primary (which they are allowed to do), one million in the heart of Hillary's stronghold...
Coincedence?
Jason B @ 78:
Huh? She won CA by 54,000 votes.
The MSM also failed to mention that never, in the history of our nation, have a woman and an African American achieved this level of political success. It makes me proud to be a Democrat.
This notion of "hating Hillary's voice" is beyond stupid. Consider for a moment: You'd vote against someone because of their accent and speaking style?
Hell, if Shrub actually had something intelligent to say, I'm sure his accent wouldn't bother me.
Focus on what is said, not on the tone, for crying out loud.
(I mean, what a stupid criteria on which to base a democracy. Barry White for Prez?)
Fox Conscience @ 10:
Is this a threat? Playing the fear card. GREAT JOB HOPE PEOPLE AND UNITERS......
They also failed to mention that Hillary is now digging into her and Mr. Bill's own money for her campaign. To the tune of 5 million so far.
Bart @ 81:
Ain't it the truth. There is as much "hate" on this C&L thread for Hillary as there is
"love" on the Obama C&L thread above. Damn, and I thought the Dem's were supposed
to be uniters but it's evident that such is not the case, OR that some Repug trolls are
taking up the banner and are already trying to tarnish and crusifiy Hillary
Bart @ 81:
lol. Can chef from south park be president too?
ConcernedCanuck @ 83:
Source, please.
giantpeach @ 85:
Nope, this country will never elect a scientologist.
I cannot stand Hillary. All I hear when she is talking is something like "Take out the garbage" or "Pick up your underwear" or "Stop getting crumbs on the couch"
She has bad judgment on Iraq and Bill to name a couple. She is Shrillary and she ain't Bill.
If Hillary is the dem nom then quite a few dems will cross over and decide to vote for McCain instead of Hillary. If Obama is the dem nom quite a few repubs will cross over and decide to vote for Obama instead of McCain. I think that if Obama is the dem nom many repubs will stay home. Hillary will bring them out to vote for McCain. That is at least my view.
KCThinker @ 88:
And I might add, YOUR view is full of s...
nodynasty @ 21:
When someones daughter, mother, or sister dies from a back alley abortion at least you can say you voted to spite the Democrats.
KCThinker @ 88:
umm way to take the words out of fox news correspondent's mouths with the garbage bit.. and about obama getting republicans to cross over won't matter because it will be in the wrong states where GOP is sure to win anyway
ysbaddaden @ 69:
Wow! That is pretty rude. My Aunt was killed last night and two of my best friends are in the hospital. I will no longer frequent this site since remarks like that are left unmoderated.
[We don't allow comments like that to stand when we see them. I am sorry for your loss and that no one saw that comment go up-Sitemonitor]
88 KCThinker
Sounds like you have mother issues.
Personally, I've always seen Hillary as that hard teacher no one wants to have.
Robert Crush @ 6:
How should she carry herself? The way politicians carry themselves and they way women are supposed to carry themselves are entirely at odds, unfortunately, and this is one of the problems with the system and exactly why we need trailblazing women to set the tone for how politicians can act.
TennesseeDemocrat @ 92:
TN, i jumped on that pretty fast... immature and offensive... of course, we are all very sorry for the losses last night.
Any Democrat will do for me, we must stop the repukes from this dictatorship quest of thiers. It will not stop even when a Democrat is President. Much work is ahead to un-do all the republican dictatorship tricks in place.
I'd still like to know what the candidates will do to roll back NSL, some Patriot Act provisions, FISA, wire-tapping and data sweeps.
And one more thing:
For all those who say that admonish Clinton supports as being clueless, but then state that if Clinton is the Democratic nominee they are going to vote Republican, all I can say is that that infantile mindset is quite reflective of you and nothing else.
I mean, for christ's sake, if you're posting on these blogs, then you are fully cognizant of the damage visited on the country by the Republicans, and the current crop of Republican nominees appears to be more than happy to maintain the pain, if not increase it.
And you're going to jump parties why? Because your nominee lost? Well, if I were not as mature as I am, I'd say good riddance to you.
I'm going to look at the final nominees, and vote for whom I think will do the better job. That is my only criteria. Any other criteria is grounded in intellectual bankruptcy.
And, just so folks know, I am an Independent, still undecided between Clinton and Obama. However, unlike what I'm seeing on this (and other blogs), I'm applying the critical thinking skills I possess to make the best choice I can. And that means relying on the totality of one's public record, their plans for the future of the country, and the totality of their skill set.
giantpeach @ 97:
Thanks ys things are pretty tough here...statewide. I'm wearing my emotions on my sleeve. I appreciate you commenting on the trolls comment. It is appreciated.
John @ 19:
I really don't know what those reasons are yet. I was an Edwards supporter but I agree with you that there will be no change in the government if Hillary is voted in. Cindy Sheehan said Hillary is cold and calculating and for the war in Iraq. Her voting history shows that. I was hoping that america would wake up, but the voters are being fed and believing what the major networks and corporations want them to believe. Watching the election is like watching a puppet show. There really isn't any sense to it. Corporations pick the candidates and the public STILL believe the rhetoric. I am giving up all hope for the US.
I wonder if Hillary wonders how she'll look in eight years in office. The oval office is like something out of a horror movie, and sucks everything out of you.
liberalista @ 82:
This is precisely the attitude we should be taking--instead of this petty bickering. You wouldn't know that people like us are of the same party as the people so vehemently yelling back and forth. This is, indeed, an election of hope and change. I just wish people would stop looking at it in such one-sided terms.
giantpeach @ 96:
I meant to say thanks GiantPeach... obviously.
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Robert @ 103:
Agreed, 100% I am dumbfounded how much these Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are behaving as tribal as what I see among the Republicans/Conservatives. Either that, or the trolls are better than I thought.
ysbaddaden @ 102:
WHO CARES! (Yelling intentional). How would Obama look? How would Romney look? What relevance can that possibly have?
RayC @ 91:
Wel said. Quite clearly, he's a repug troll or some other form of scum.
TennesseeDemocrat @ 101:
I meant thanks Giantpeach...
I listened to both speeches last night and thought they both were good. My thought was isn't great to be a member of the Democratic Party. What we have is a quality problem. I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. In all seriousness I hope NO ONE will forfeit a vote because their candidate didn't win. Even in the small rural areas of Tennessee McCain's remarks about staying in Iraq for a hundred years is not going over well. The republicans seem to forget that the small town conservative voters are the ones whose sons and daughters are dying in Iraq. Anyway, I really hope no one forfeits their vote because their candidate doesn't win. We can't afford another 4 years of a republican in office. The world is watching us.
Sorry for the double comments. My connection keeps getting hung up and gives me a server error. Feel free delete them.
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Expect the privatization of social security with either a Clinton or an Obama administration, should there be an expanded health insurance program.
Nice speech coming from the future Vice President Hillary Clinton.
Jason B @ 79:
Not at all. Hillary's GOTV team actually took the time to explain the ballots to her supporters, while Obama's didn't have the foresight. Now, in hindsight, Obama's campaign sees how they fucked up and want to frame it, post hoc, as corruption. Looks as though they got some people to bite...
Fox Conscience @ 10:
If Billary wins, you will see a huge number of people who voted in the primaries NOT vote. Possibly ever again.
Yup. Some babies just take their marbles and go home when they lose.
My main problem with Obama is his corporate-stregthening health care proposal. However, I'd still vote for him in November. He's still far better than any Republican and Nader.
KCThinker @ 89:
Rightwing troll borrowing line from FOX.
Clinton delivered her speech first. Then Obama delivered his speech about 1 hour later. C & L posted these speeches in the order they were given. I see no bias.
One difference between Hillary's speach and Obama's his Obama has more of the change theme whereas Hillary's sounds like she's spoiling for a fight with the Republicans, which I think is great too. Bill kicked the GOP in the groin the first time around and it sounds like Hillary is more than ready to do it a second time around. One thing for sure, Hillary's no dummy. She knows the reich wing hacks she's up against and I think she will take em to the mat. I don't think it likely she will be blind sided and take it like Kerry did.
RancidVenison @ 113:
Obama is a liar. Obama is not a uniter either no matter how many fluffy-fluff speeches he gives. Ted Kennedy's endorsement and Obama still loses Massachusetts---that is so funny to me. Caroline Kennedy supports Obama and he gets beat in New York--so funny to me!!!!!!!
Obama is a corporate candidate just like the rest of the Democratic Party is today. Don't hand me this crap that Obama is so "different" when he just another corporate Democratic Party candidate as Kerry was and the rest of them are. Obama is connected to big nuclear industry giants in the corporate world, so save your b.s. for some other fool.
Obama is a BIG BABY too!!!!!!!!! Here is Obama---Obama says that Hillary's voters would vote for him in a general election, but he is not so sure that his voters would ever vote for her--Ms. Clinton....now that is some uniter who wants to "unite everyone" my ass!!! Obama is a two-faced liar and he needs to be called on his b.s. His statement above about his voters not voting for Hillary should he lose sound an awful lot like his "mentor" in the United States Senate, Joe Lieberman.
Obama supported Lieberman over Ned Lamont and Barack's "mentor" in the United States Senate is Joe Lieberman. I wonder if Lieberman put Obama up to this dirty trick to split up the Democratic Party, once-and-for-all? I would not put it past these two creeps and the dunces falling for this charade, either.
no one mentions turnout may have been influenced from republicans crossing over to influence our nominee. i have numerous republican friends who have stated they will attempt to select our candidate. heads up... all four said they voted for OBAMA because he was easiest for macain or romney to beat. i have to believe there are many others doing the same thing.
Bart @ 99:
It's propaganda. There are no such liberals.
Hillary smiles all the time, even when there's nothing to smile about. In that regard she's like every female newscaster who ever lived, and also like William Kristol.
People who smile all the time can't be trusted.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 120:
Obama's "hope" hype is just more fluffy-fluff crapola. It sounds food but is superficial, but, these days Americans like superficial and what looks good on the TV. I do not find anything substantive in what Obama says. He sounds good in that superficial style but is short on details and specifics. He has yet to lay out what kind of platform he would have. I want to see a detailed plan of Obama's platform from education to social need programs. So, far, Obama is short on a plan and details. He is good at reciting things but always short on a plan or details. One has to do more than give speeches. Sooner or later, should Obama win, he is going to have to offer a solid platform and so far he has been more than vague in this regard. Are you so confident and gullible that Obama will have anything less than a corporate-oriented platform? Obama is a corporate candidate and so far has been quite successful in shielding this reality from the dumb and gullible American voter.
nodynasty @ 23:
Then you're a complete fucking moron. Have a nice day.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 120:
Oh contraire mon frere, you can always trust in Alfred E. Neuman.
http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html
CartoonCoyote @ 122:
Well said.
Sabaean @ 41:
Then you, too, are a complete fucking moron. Have a nice day.
nodynasty @ 23:
How sickening. This isn't some grudge match, this is the future of our nation. The founding fathers would be ashamed. People claim the Republicans are respnsible for all of the divisiveness, but are the Democrats not also responsible for participating in this two-party, immature game. A game with consequences more dire than we'll ever know.
NOTE: I'm not a Hilary fan; I support someone who supports the constitution-- Ron Paul.
I suspect trolls based on the level of some of the discussions.
liberalista @ 127:
I meant to quote 105 when I posted this. Sorry.
I don't know about the other states with caususes but in Minnesota is was a mess. Usually they were held in school auditoriums or fire halls or living rooms. This year they combined them. When a lot of senior citizens got to where they were usually held they weren't there. Some were 45 miles away. And her in Minnesota we don't have public transportation out in the small towns. And we had no system to transport the seniors citizens because most didn't think they would need transportation. So the YOUNG FOLKS GOT TO DO THE VOTING.
And no where has it been listed that this is what happened here. All the polls said Hillary by 60% and she would have gotten that in Minnesota if the rug hadn't been pulled out from under the older folks. When the press got to the caucus there were nothing but the younger crowd hardly a senior citizen got to vote.
Forgot to mention the fraud in this campaign is sickening. SO WHEN REGISTRATION OPENS I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY PARTY AFFILATION.
I'm sick to the teeth of two things:
1) People claiming omniscience as to how vast swathes of others will vote given specific candidates, when said candidates haven't even won nominations; ye shall know them by how they react under fire from the opposing side. Anybody who claims otherwise is just trying to sound like they have the "inside track" and are invariably full of shit--IGNORE THEM;
2) People who say they'll stay home/vote Nader/vote Repug if Hillary gets the nomination. If they actually do any of the above in November, I hope to Christ their next move is to some man-made island in the Pacific where they can back-slap and circle-jerk each other into oblivion out of pride in their moral purity. Fuck 'em.
I am afraid that McCain will wind up as next prez specifically because Clinton will quite likely be (though I support Obama) the Dem nominee. Hard to get happy after that.
Mr. XXXX @ 117:
When I read this, I didn't really understand to whose post you were replying. It didn't seem like mine. Then I look on the Obama speech thread and see the exact same posts, without the same reference.
I hate using such lame-ass jargon as "rethug," "flame," "Nobama," "Billary," "McInsane," and etc., but your actions here do seem somewhat "troll-like."
RancidVenison @ 133:
Barack Obama has VOTED FOR EVERY Iraq war spending bill since he has been a member of the United States Senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that Obama is some "change candidate" alright!
Hillary smiles all the time because she knows it's effective. Did you see GB in the SOTU address? I thought his antics were way over the top.. but people eat this stuff up.
If you appear happy and confident, that becomes reality.
It's a very subtle message I'm trying to get across.. but Hillary is KEEN on the current administrations tactics, their use of language to subtly subconsciously influence, sticking to their message... Like Bush/Cheney.. if they never apologize for what they've done, then it is believed they might objectively have done the right thing...
it's a very subtle message i'm trying to get across here...
And on that note.. VOTE DEMOCRAT unless you want the same flippin thing we have now.. It's the lesser of 2 evils.. Then and only then if you want to NOT vote in the future because you hate the Dems now maybe you could make some changes but I think the timing is better spent on getting the GOPers outta there! Plain and simple!
andy @ 9:
andy - your link is ~ 10 yrs OLD, old trash - WHERE is the statement that Brzezinski IS Obama's adviser in ANY capacity ? He (zbig) went on record some months ago and stated he had ONE conversation w/Obama, a long time ago.
Stop behaving as shillary and 'making up' the lies. Provide link to a CLEAR statement that Brzezinski serves in ANY capacitu w/ Obama's campaign. OR, SU.
pissed off patricia @ 22:
LOL! It is the reason why the Dem Party is right now barely in a majority in Congress. There are Republicans, and EVERYBODY else is Dem, even though many have vast differences in ideology. It is the positive and negative of the Dem Party all in one.
ExxonMobil4prez @ 136:
I will vote any Republican any time over Ms Larry !!! Now, bring it on trolls!
Site Monitor: How come my comments DO NOT POST ??!! every other day ...
jane @ 138:
? you do not make sense.. Anyway the Republicans cannot win again so no sense in convincing folks that have no historical background on the years that have gone before..
ysbaddaden @ 102:
Depends on the intern. Hardeeharhar.
Dr. Acula @ 87:
Senator Hillary Clinton confirmed at a press conference in Virginia this afternoon that she'd loaned her campaign $5 million, and said, "The results last night proved the wisdom of my investment.."
Spokesman Howard Wolfson emailed with the news minutes earlier:
Late last month Senator Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million.The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton’s commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation. We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the web stoday and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy.
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CappuccettoRosso @ 139:
Can you plse check the SPAM FILTER - I see up the thread other pple had the problem also. I guess you need to keep the defenses high, isn't there any easier way to separate one from the other ??
Mr. XXXX @ 134:
no doubt hillary will mutilate grandpa mcamnesty, mike fuckabee and shitt romney in the general election just like brawndo does to thirst.
LanceThruster @ 132:
Where was Barack Obama when antiwar Democratic Party candidate Cynthia McKinney was facing a tough re-election campaign in Georgia in which she lost last time around?
As Barack Obama supported his “mentor” Joe Lieberman, Lieberman was critical of Maxine Waters “because she doesn’t vote the right way on war issues,” yet Waters remains antiwar. Obama never criticized Lieberman’s support for the Iraq war, but supported his “mentor.” Obama is a fraud. He certainly has TAKEN MONEY from Corporations no matter what anyone here says otherwise. There is no frickin way his money chest would be as high as it is right now just based on small contributions. The bulk of Obama’s money is from major corporations. To say otherwise, you are just showing your idiocy. But that’s you’re right to be an idiot. Obama is such a fake, but that does not mean I would not consider voting for him.
If its between an “insane” candidate named McCain and a “fraud” named Obama, I’d support Barack “Pharma Fraud” Obama in a New York minute and would have to reconcile the fact that Obama’s “mentor” in the United States Senate is “Democratic Party” traitor/turncoat Joe Lieberman.
Can Obama supporters say the same? If the answer is "No" that you would not vote for Hillary against a Repug, then your candidate Obama's "unity" message is the fraud I have been saying for months now, and your supposed support of such an idea, a lie. I hope, no pun intended, that you prove me wrong and would take a Hillary vs. McCain election like "men." By the way, the last I looked, Obama did not invent the word "hope" or "audacity."
I do not know which Dem I support more, however I do know that it does not matter which wins the nomination, I will vote for a Democrat, I have sent my husband, my brother in law, and now my 18 year old son to Iraq, there is not a Republican out there who is going to end the Iraq mess, we have to find hope somewhere, we as progressive Americans need to get out and vote, stop all the hatred and vote for a Democrat either one is better than a no vote or a Republican.....I dont want to send my grandchildren to Iraq next.........
Mr. XXXX @ 134:
Are you providing further evidence for my point? Well, the, that does seem somewhat "un-troll-like." Meta-ironic, isn't it?
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