Our Future: Mythbusting Canadian Health Care: — Part 1

Good article and truthful. Hope Americans read it and learn instead of listening to political BS like the "universal healthcare" spin being fed to the MSM by Clinton. Universal insurance is NOT universal healthcare anymore than universal car insurance is free coverage for your car.

WoW!

There are a group of Vietnam veterans that are swift boatng McCAIN! Lots to read and veiw!

Check it out!

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

RayC @ 3:

ConcernedCanuck @ 2:

Our Future: Mythbusting Canadian Health Care: — Part 1

Good article and truthful. Hope Americans read it and learn instead of listening to political BS like the "universal healthcare" spin being fed to the MSM by Clinton. Universal insurance is NOT universal healthcare anymore than universal car insurance is free coverage for your car.

We all realize that you hate Hillary Clinton with a white hot passion but stop trying to link Clinton to the insurance companies long term effort to bash any single payer health system. Singling her out is intellectually dishonest when you know there is hardly any difference between her plan and Obama's plan.

I was pointing out the obvious. Has nothing to do with Hillary or hating her. Has everything to do with pointing out the lie that is her policy promise. If Obama used the same spin on his healthcare plan, calling it universal healthcare, I would point out the same thing Ray. I've stated it before, I would never trade you healthcare for all the military in the world. I feel for you people, and despise politicians that lie about these quick fixes to your system. Only way to fix your system is if some politician has the gonads to tackle the insurance industy. So far, none have.

Admitting you have no religion is not politically correct…

Wrong. Just more manufactured outrage on the left, like the "War On Christmas" is on the right. On the other hand, denigrating religious people is not politically correct, and has been particularly hazardous to the Democratic Party, as borne out by credible public opinion polls.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=254

ConcernedCanuck @ 6:

RayC @ 3:

ConcernedCanuck @ 2:

Our Future: Mythbusting Canadian Health Care: — Part 1

Good article and truthful. Hope Americans read it and learn instead of listening to political BS like the "universal healthcare" spin being fed to the MSM by Clinton. Universal insurance is NOT universal healthcare anymore than universal car insurance is free coverage for your car.

We all realize that you hate Hillary Clinton with a white hot passion but stop trying to link Clinton to the insurance companies long term effort to bash any single payer health system. Singling her out is intellectually dishonest when you know there is hardly any difference between her plan and Obama's plan.

I was pointing out the obvious. Has nothing to do with Hillary or hating her. Has everything to do with pointing out the lie that is her policy promise. If Obama used the same spin on his healthcare plan, calling it universal healthcare, I would point out the same thing Ray. I've stated it before, I would never trade you healthcare for all the military in the world. I feel for you people, and despise politicians that lie about these quick fixes to your system. Only way to fix your system is if some politician has the gonads to tackle the insurance industy. So far, none have.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true Universal Healthcare where said care is fully paid for by the gov't through tax revenue? It isn't what our political hacks conveniently call universal healthcare where we still have to pay premiums.

Thanks for cablegate!

I sent a tip to John A this past Monday the 4th (here it is):

"I didn't notice with all the super bowl and super Tuesday hoopla going on, so I figured you may not have either. Apparently several of the submarine fiber Internet cables were severed in the Middle East/Asia. When just two failed at the same point off Egypt, it was thought that it was accidental, but then a week later several more cables were cut in the Middle East and Asia affecting .. SeaMeWe-4 (South East Asia-Middle East-Western Europe-4) near Penang, Malaysia, the FLAG Europe-Asia near Alexandria, FLAG near the Dubai coast, FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran and SeaMeWe-4, also near Alexandria. Evidence that no ships were near the cables cut off Eqypt has also emerged. I can find no reference to it in the US media, but ABC in Australia has this story. There is also this and this from Dubai.
Google search on: Internet blackout submarine cables results in no MSM coverage, despite large business and call center interruptions (among many others). While bandwidth to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Pakistan and India has been severely limited, Iran's main servers are experiencing 100% loss in packets.
It seems that it will be at least a week, February 12 at the soonest, to repair the cables off Alexandria, it will be up to two weeks before any of the other cables may be repaired.

I believe this merits a post on C&L.

In unrelated news, US anti-missile ship the USS San Jacinto, an AEGIS cruiser in the Ticonderoga Class to dock in Haifa Monday according to the Jerusalem Post."

That was Monday. After reading quite a bit, I now come up with more than 5... more like 8 which includes a previous unreported one January 23:one off of Marseille, France; two off of Alexandria, Egypt; one off of Dubai, in the Persian Gulf; one off of Bandar Abbas, Iran in the Persian Gulf; one between Qatar and the UAE, in the Persian Gulf; one in the Suez, Egypt; one near Penang, Malaysia and one initially unreported cable cut on 23 January 2008 unclear where, but seems to be in the Persian Gulf.

I have a bunch more links if anyone is interested, let me know.

RayC @ 9:

ConcernedCanuck

It is my contention that any single payer plan is dead in the water with the current campaign financing laws however, if as part of Clinton's or Obama's plans a provision for anyone to buy into medicare and a universal catastrophic coverage the influence of insurance companies would be greatly reduced. Maybe even to the point that a single payer or medicare for all would be possible.

No matter what they offer the end result is still going to be to further burden America’s future productivity and the sweat labor of its children to protect their excess gains and wealth.

Ain't Capitalism grand?

RayC @ 9:

ConcernedCanuck

It is my contention that any single payer plan is dead in the water with the current campaign financing laws however, if as part of Clinton's or Obama's plans a provision for anyone to buy into medicare and a universal catastrophic coverage the influence of insurance companies would be greatly reduced. Maybe even to the point that a single payer or medicare for all would be possible.

Has universal auto insurance reduced insurance costs for anyone? Mine go up every year, and I'm in Canada. Has it stopped or reduced insurance companies? Not here. Phone around for a quote on your car or home, and you quickly find all companies are almost the same price, so I don't see how these schemes will work for you down there. It levels the playing field so that insurance companies ALL get money from someone.

Dr. Acula @ 10:

ConcernedCanuck @ 6:

RayC @ 3:

ConcernedCanuck @ 2:

We all realize that you hate Hillary Clinton with a white hot passion but stop trying to link Clinton to the insurance companies long term effort to bash any single payer health system. Singling her out is intellectually dishonest when you know there is hardly any difference between her plan and Obama's plan.

I was pointing out the obvious. Has nothing to do with Hillary or hating her. Has everything to do with pointing out the lie that is her policy promise. If Obama used the same spin on his healthcare plan, calling it universal healthcare, I would point out the same thing Ray. I've stated it before, I would never trade you healthcare for all the military in the world. I feel for you people, and despise politicians that lie about these quick fixes to your system. Only way to fix your system is if some politician has the gonads to tackle the insurance industy. So far, none have.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true Universal Healthcare where said care is fully paid for by the gov't through tax revenue? It isn't what our political hacks conveniently call universal healthcare where we still have to pay premiums.

Universal healthcare here means no insurance industry premiums. What they want to do there is force everyone to have coverage, and the insurance industry is still involved. I don't see why it is necessary to have to go through and insurance company for your health. It seems ludicrous.

Excellent article about Canadian vs. US health care. That the provinces are actually the insurer is, perhaps, the most important point.

I much prefer the idea of the states being the main provider of health insurance, for mostly the same reasons that the article points out. The chain of responsibility is much easier for the citizens to control at the state level. And it is simply a more workable system. There is room for the federal government to be involved: in providing transferability and/or a last resort safety net.

The only reason that my House rep listens to me is because he drove my girlfriend to school when she was a kid. But the votes that i can personally rally for or against my state rep actually carry some weight.

ConcernedCanuck @ 15:

RayC @ 9:

ConcernedCanuck

It is my contention that any single payer plan is dead in the water with the current campaign financing laws however, if as part of Clinton's or Obama's plans a provision for anyone to buy into medicare and a universal catastrophic coverage the influence of insurance companies would be greatly reduced. Maybe even to the point that a single payer or medicare for all would be possible.

Has universal auto insurance reduced insurance costs for anyone? Mine go up every year, and I'm in Canada. Has it stopped or reduced insurance companies? Not here. Phone around for a quote on your car or home, and you quickly find all companies are almost the same price, so I don't see how these schemes will work for you down there. It levels the playing field so that insurance companies ALL get money from someone.

That's a straw-man argument. Auto insurance is mandatory with car registration where I live and there is no government alternative that insures those who cannot afford it. I campaigned hard for no fault insurance and against mandatory liability auto insurance. Insurance companies need badly to be more regulated. That has nothing to do with universal health insurance.

RayC @ 21:

Insurance companies need badly to be more regulated. That has nothing to do with universal health insurance.

While we are at it we need to begin regulating the Hospitals more heavily.

With the exception of a small handful of Blue Ribbon Units, (no poor folk need apply) most hospitals have staffs that may as well be working in a Jiffy Lube.

Just getting out of the hospital without getting some super bug these days is difficult. If the Hospital food doesn't kill you first.

L.A. Confidential @ 22:

crushburger higganbotham @ 18:

Microsoft loves the little guy, don'tcha know.
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/22518

I predict there is going to be a time-trend up and coming when people realize they are going to have to abandon their personal computers.

And start working with their hands and getting back to basics, as one commenter on that site mentioned? Do you mean this is a deep societal issue, or just that we need to circumvent spying. If the latter, why not use deep encryption devices at home...work is a lost cause anyway, if you work for a large company.

Breking news! Romney dropping out?

teknikAL @ 24:

L.A. Confidential @ 22:

crushburger higganbotham @ 18:

Microsoft loves the little guy, don'tcha know.
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/22518

I predict there is going to be a time-trend up and coming when people realize they are going to have to abandon their personal computers.

FBI's Sought Approval for Custom Spyware in FISA Court ~ Wired

Arg.

peaceful easy feeling @ 8:

Admitting you have no religion is not politically correct…

Wrong. Just more manufactured outrage on the left, like the "War On Christmas" is on the right. On the other hand, denigrating religious people is not politically correct, and has been particularly hazardous to the Democratic Party, as borne out by credible public opinion polls.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=254

Good thing the Democratic Party, which is overwhelmingly composed of religious people, never does that.

Monkeyfister link is broken

RayC @ 22:

ConcernedCanuck @ 15:

RayC @ 9:

ConcernedCanuck

It is my contention that any single payer plan is dead in the water with the current campaign financing laws however, if as part of Clinton's or Obama's plans a provision for anyone to buy into medicare and a universal catastrophic coverage the influence of insurance companies would be greatly reduced. Maybe even to the point that a single payer or medicare for all would be possible.

Has universal auto insurance reduced insurance costs for anyone? Mine go up every year, and I'm in Canada. Has it stopped or reduced insurance companies? Not here. Phone around for a quote on your car or home, and you quickly find all companies are almost the same price, so I don't see how these schemes will work for you down there. It levels the playing field so that insurance companies ALL get money from someone.

That's a straw-man argument. Auto insurance is mandatory with car registration where I live and there is no government alternative that insures those who cannot afford it. I campaigned hard for no fault insurance and against mandatory liability auto insurance. Insurance companies need badly to be more regulated. That has nothing to do with universal health insurance.

You just defeated your own argument in your second sentence though Ray. "Auto insurance is mandatory....." And so will your health insurance according to some, even to the point of garnishing your wages. The rest of your argument is arguing with me, but agreeing at the same time. Insurance, is insurance Ray. Matters not if it is auto, life or health. It's insurance, ran by the insurance industry. So, no, I am not making a strawman argument here.

ConcernedCanuck @ 36:

RayC @ 22:

ConcernedCanuck @ 15:

RayC @ 9:

Has universal auto insurance reduced insurance costs for anyone? Mine go up every year, and I'm in Canada. Has it stopped or reduced insurance companies? Not here. Phone around for a quote on your car or home, and you quickly find all companies are almost the same price, so I don't see how these schemes will work for you down there. It levels the playing field so that insurance companies ALL get money from someone.

That's a straw-man argument. Auto insurance is mandatory with car registration where I live and there is no government alternative that insures those who cannot afford it. I campaigned hard for no fault insurance and against mandatory liability auto insurance. Insurance companies need badly to be more regulated. That has nothing to do with universal health insurance.

You just defeated your own argument in your second sentence though Ray. "Auto insurance is mandatory....." And so will your health insurance according to some, even to the point of garnishing your wages. The rest of your argument is arguing with me, but agreeing at the same time. Insurance, is insurance Ray. Matters not if it is auto, life or health. It's insurance, ran by the insurance industry. So, no, I am not making a strawman argument here.

i have to agree. The model for health insurance they are proposing is very similar to the mandatory auto and home owner's insurance, but worse. With the former two you do have a choice: rent a home or don't drive. With health care, what is the choice? Death? If the income thresholds are anything like current DSS programs, what is the choice? Have your wage garnished and don't eat?
It is obvious that any compromise that allows health insurers at the table guarantees a profit driven system.
Universal, tax paid health care without a middleman is really the only way. I believe a minimum of care is a right.

Rusty Shackleford @ 32:

peaceful easy feeling @ 8:

Admitting you have no religion is not politically correct…

Wrong. Just more manufactured outrage on the left, like the "War On Christmas" is on the right. On the other hand, denigrating religious people is not politically correct, and has been particularly hazardous to the Democratic Party, as borne out by credible public opinion polls.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=254

Good thing the Democratic Party, which is overwhelmingly composed of religious people, never does that.

True in regards to the party's stated platform, however the perceptions of the public are what they are, and the fact a "journalist" like Max Blumenthal attracts an audience only confirms the results of the Pew study.

By the way, unlike completely socialized medicine, a single-payer system only takes the profit out of the insurance industry, but actual providers of health care will allowed to remain private and for-profit. Keep in mind it's free competition, coupled with entrepreneurs and corporations spurred on by the promise of a return on their investment, which has made our country (and health care system) so great. Nothing personal against Canada, but, for example, there are good reasons why Neil Young went to NYC to get his aneurysm fixed.

Of course some American go up to Canada for unique treatments as well. Health outcomes from standard treatments are virtually the same. The provincial health systems send lots of people south or to other provinces when the system gets overloaded. This is more a reflection of timely availability then quality.

I'm sure the Southern Baptist Church Zeke grew up in and the Church of Reality are exactly the same. BWA HAHAHA. He's apparently so used to hearing religions attack homosexuals that by not mentioning it, the Church of Reality is wrong.