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Jon Stewart looks at how the 24 hour cable channels tried to fill six hours of airtime covering Super Tuesday. And Amy Holmes says it all.
Holmes: One more thing I would say about that that I think is interesting -is it's proof that voters like to vote for who they like.
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She was funny.
He is great even without writers.
Now this is what I come here for! Thanks C&L. I just love the man.
Clinton Campaign Staffers Not Going Without Pay
Looks like she faked money problems to trick her followers into giving her more.
Here I was beginning to think C&L wasn't posting Daily Show clips on principle (i'm pretty sure this is the first daily show posting since stewart decided to return to the airwaves)--because the guy turns out to be a scab...producing a show that requires writers when writers just happen to be on strike!
good to know crooks and liars really doesn't make any principled stands...once again, it's time to follow the money
Thank Gawd you posted this one........geeezz....all this HRC bashing is driving me nuts.
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Yes if there's one thing that's clear, its that Crooks and Liars has been an endeavor all about making money. Yessiree. Can't go wrong with that brilliant analysis, no sirree.
archmunster @ 5:
dumbass comment..........well site moniter...I suppose you were expecting this bs..........you guys can't win for losin.....Fuggetaboutit!!!...can't make everybody happy
it should be A Daily Show
give props to the writers please!!!!
Morons Everywhere @ 7:
Okay...fair enough...so then why did C&L, after professing so adamently about the importance of supporting the writers in this strike, choose to post a video of a man who happens to be a strike-breaker?
Perhaps a nod to Stewart for withdrawing from hosting a gig at a Paley Center fundraiser honoring Viacom chieftain Sumner Redstone?
Morons Everywhere @ 7:
Hee hee. Love it, Morons. Nice snark.
Jo @ 11:
Jo @ 11:
Not sure I understand…let’s say my analysis is wrong–that they didn’t post the video to help with clicks (and therefore visits and therefore money to the site via advertising)…let’s say i’m wrong and a moron and all the rest…okay…i’m a moron. There i said it! I’m just a stupid moron.
But my question is–why is posting a video of a show that thumbs its nose at the striking writers…why is that a good thing?
archmunster @ 12:
Sad to see a vid of this scab made the site. Oh well...
mudshark @ 8:
archmunster @ 12:
Is this a progressive site or isn't it? Do the majority of people who come to this site support progressive ideals or not? Why is posting a video of a scab show a good thing? Shouldn't C&L at least wait until the strike is over before they go promoting scabs?
Bison @ 4:
Ya, another crying stunt. Has to play the underdog role that Bill perfected. Not sure where people are getting their info, but according to CNN, Obama is behind by approx. 100 delegates. Doesn't seem like much, but it is enough to still be the underdog, regardless of spin.
How is John a scab?
i flip flopped the whole night between the lot of them. cnn was the worst of the bunch. fox newts the funniest.
INSTEAD OF LISTENING to all these meaningless GarBAGE-Speak from the Candidates, we should BE BRAINSTORMING how to SOLVE this country's Problems and then PUT THE BEST IDEAS on the NATIONAL BALLOT so that the MAJORITY Can DECIDE.
This would be REAL DEMOCRACY.
http://www.realdemocracyinamerica.com
go bama @ 18:
um...because he's producing the show while his writing staff is on strike. Kinda the definition of a scab, isn't it?
Mike Mathiesen @ 20:
I'm sure the idea is worthy but the way this country is set up is to protect the minory from the tyranny of the majority. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.
archmunster @ 21:
Well, excuse him for not wanting to make the rest of his staff starve becuase the Writers are having a crisis, assmuch
JOHN STEWART IS THE FUNNIEST MAN ON TV!!!
Jeremy @ 23:
I would call the writers of the Super Bowl commercials scabs.
blah blah blah scab blah strike blah blah scabby blah blah strike
thanks c & l for posting this video. I love jon and I love you.
But I hate Amy Holmes. She talks so frickin much it is like she drinks 30 cups of coffee a day and she makes it her mission to filibuster everyone else on the panel with her and she is annoying as hell. I can't watch when she is on.
Bison @ 4:
That's one terrific link
archmunster @ 21:
I'm pretty sure I read someplace where he committed to paying his writers for up to six months through the strike, and he has been quite clear on his support for their position.
Anyone who says the wingnuts have the market on morons cornered is fooling themselves.
She, amy holmes is a shill for the republicans . She said on Bill Maher that she thinks Bill frist is a great politician. Bill Frist! She's a nitwit.
And by the way Colbert and Stewart are not scabs. A scab is defined as “a person who refuses to strike or to join a union, or takes over the responsibilities of a striking worker.” They have honored the strike, they are union members, and they are not taking over the jobs of the striking writers.
DHSmd @ 27:
Great...now things like "I'm pretty sure I read somewheres..." substitutes for actual fact. Listen up half-wit...Stewart apparently agreed to pay his writers for two weeks at the beginning of the strike...
So the term of the payment was two weeks (if he even paid them at all, see , then his rep denied that http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/05/update-stewarts-rep-den_n_71164...)
And now guess what he is? Yep, that's right Mr. I'm pretty sure I read somewheres, he's a scab. http://www.campusprogress.org/opinions/2378/are-jon-stewart-and-stephen-...
Moli @ 29:
First of all, putting quotes around something doesn't make it true. Second of all, taking over the responsibility of a striking worker is exactly what Stewart is doing--he's taking over the responsibility of his striking workers. Third of all, my definition of a scab is someone who "crosses a picket line" which is exactly what Stewart has to do every morning when he goes to work...
Unlike Dave Letterman, Stewart and Colbert don't own their shows, so couldn't cut a separate deal with the WGA as Letterman did.
In addition, they have a clause in their union contract that prohibits "sympathy strikes," so they honored their contract and returned to the air sans writers, and with the blessing of the WGA.
They are not scabs.
archmunster @ 5:
Not sure who's right here, but I think it's worth noting that from day one of the new show's debut (it is actually called "A" Daily Show while the strike continues), Jon Stewart has been pretty clear that he is in support of the writers, drawing additional attention to their cause even as he does what he felt was necessary to protect other jobs on the show. It was probably not an easy decision, but technically doesn't "cross the line."
Or maybe it does. It's a tricky thing, this situation. The big issue for me is that there are Republicans campaigning during this strike. Even as a strike which I feel is fully justified occurs, there is the other issue of the need for shows like TDS and TCR to try and draw attention to the GOP candidates' more questionable positions and such. I don't know how or if a fully-functional ComCen lineup would have, say thwarted John McCain's stellar resurgence, or if they would have tried; but the fact remains that we are now in the very uncomfortable reality where he IS his party's front-runner with all the grim tidings for the nation that portends.
An interesting take on the matter, I guess, is found here:
http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/jon-stewart-the-daily-show-t...
Bert.
Bert @ 33:
Unfortunately, I think it's simple and clear--cross a picket line, you're a scab. Period. And by the way, I think no one has helped John McCain maintain this image of moderate more so than Stewart...his show helps McCain, it doesn't hurt him. They practically kiss each other whenever McCain is on, for god's sake.
That said, you want a good analysis of why we should label them scabs, go here:
http://www.arvinhill.com/blog/2007/12/stewart-colbert-scabavision.html
Moli Says: And by the way Colbert and Stewart are not scabs. A scab is defined as “a person who refuses to strike or to join a union, or takes over the responsibilities of a striking worker.” They have honored the strike, they are union members, and they are not taking over the jobs of the striking writers.
Wrong - they have NOT honored the strike. By going back on air, they are allowing Viacom to make bigger profits thus insulating them from the ramifications of the strike while putting greater stress on the writers to give up and go back to work.
I don't care if they're liberal and funny; they are scabs and they should be treated as such by anyone who claims to be concerned about the rights of workers. All of you defending Stewart and Colbert need to be consistent; if it's OK for them to do what they are doing than accept Wal-Mart as a paragon of worker rights. Union busting comes in many shapes, but it's always union busting.
And please, spare me the crocodile tears over the other employees on the show. Don’t you understand this basic premise of unionization and striking: there are always people who will be hurt in the short run due to strikes? If you can accept that in the auto industry why can’t you accept it in the entertainment industry? Because Detroit CEO’s aren’t funny while Stewart and Colbert are?
all you people calling Stewart and Colbert scabs are complete fucking idiots! What have you done in your lives to be so judgemental ??? When have you taken a stand against the man?
Chris Says: all you people calling Stewart and Colbert scabs are complete fucking idiots! What have you done in your lives to be so judgemental [sic]??? When have you taken a stand against the man?
Ah, Chris. Glad to see you know so much about all of us and how we've lived our lives. Btw - thanks for that "When have you taken a stand against the man?". One would normally have to find an early David Horowitz essay to read such clichéd prose.
Oh, by the way, next time you read about some corporation laying off thousands, or Wal-Mart refusing to allow union reps in, or any other hit on workers, please heed your own advice - what have you done in your life to be so judgmental?
Chris @ 36:
that's easy...and i'll keep this on point...i've never crossed a picket line. ever.
hey, archmunster. just so you know there's those of us out here agreeing with you. thanks for standing your ground even when others are being rude. c&l shouldn't be promoting a show that isn't honoring the strike. my understanding is that jon stewart is a member of the wga. every guest that appears is crossing that picket line. any advertiser running during that show is hurting the writers. every viewer is thereby crossing the picket line too.
if we want unions to be strengthened, we need to support them every way we can. c&l, please reconsider.
archmunster @ 21:
Kinda the definition..........not quite.
A scab would be other non union writers going to work for Stewart,while the strike is on.That's a scab.
JS is not in the Union(to the best of my knowledge)..He was hired directly by the Company to Host his show.
LandOLincoln @ 32:
Source please
LandOLincoln @ 32:
Source please
LandOLincoln @ 32:
Yup. They are.
does anyone wonder why the studio heads decided to force the unions to walk when they did?
Election time?.............yup!
Think about it.
mudshark @ 40:
Yes...true...thanks for the clarification...unfortunately, once again, as I've said many times before, using phrases like "to the best of my knowledge" or "i think i heard somewheres somfin about somefin where this guy said" doesn't make it true...
John Stewart is a member of the WGA. http://www.showbizdata.com/news/45809/JON-STEWART-RETURNS-SWIPING-AT-WGA...
archmunster @ 43:
No...Thank You for the clarification of the fact that JS is in the Union.................but he is also under contract from his employers.......He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.And I have a feelin he would get reamed for not fullfilling his Contract...(I know....there I go again).Again...I have a feelin....it would cost him millions of dollars(yeah,yeah.....I know,I know)
-- http://www.haloscan.com/comments/crooks/100113558
Same person?
mudshark @ 44:
Look...the whole reason crossing a picket line is a hard thing to do is because oftentimes your livelyhood depends on it. But that's why it takes real courage and honor when your livelyhood depends on it to not cross a picket line. He has proven to put money and prestige and working relationships ahead of principles. Which sucks...cause I think he's pretty funny.
It is very important to always support striking workers--for them but also for you...because some day you may be the one on the other side of the fence. C&L has a lot of splaining to do, I think. And I'm pretty sure this is the first time they've posted since Stewart returned to the airwaves...which brings me back to my original question...why now--why post this video now? Was it a mix-up or did C&L do it to improve traffic or did they do it because they didn't think anyone would notice?
Last thing--I take back what I said to Mudshark before...you don't have to be a non-union worker to be a scab--it's just usually the case that you are...anyone who crosses a picket line to work in place of others is a scab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker
mudshark @ 8:
sorry about that
You must realise that C&L have been pro Union from the start of this strike.
And if you'll notice.....they haven't posted any Real Time threads.
Which I wish they would.But I understand why they're reluctant too do so.
I think they're just trying too lighten the mood a little.
archmunster @ 46:
whatever.
Thing Fish @ 45:
Love it! Now that's some good research. Yes, same person. Amato doesn't hide from the fact that he is a registered independent http://theinternetisnotatruck.blogspot.com/2007/02/crooks-and-liars-uses...
and if anything allowing this posting of Stewart's video is proof that he is an independent--not a democrat--at heart.
When something of substance is rightly pointed out...I guess it's time to attack the attackers...good ol' Rove at work once again.
unbelievable.............speechless.
archmunster @ 49:
Just thought I smelt some excessive concern...
Thing Fish @ 51:
I'zz wuzz beginnin tu wunda
mudshark @ 52:
I'm still wondering if some may know more about the writer strike. I keep hearing talk in the news media about it may be resolved soon. But that's been going on for a week, maybe two. And all my "rovian research" has come up with is Stewart declining a fund raiser honoring Redstone.
I thought somebody maybe would have real information to post. But this "scab" flak may have dissuaded them from posting.
Guess I'll have to wait and get my news with everyone else after the week end.
archmunster @ 49:
your going to post some tripe like that?
(shaking my head)
Thing Fish @ 53:
I suspect the studio heads will want this strike to last as long as they can make it last.Remember the last election(06)......shows like The Daily show and Real Time and Colbert...were beating up the republicans pretty good.This is their way of muzzling the opposition(partially at the very least)
John Stewart is a great guy. I like Bill Maher a lot too. Jay Leno I couldn't give a fuck about. But John and Bill...I really like them.
That's why I'm so disappointed in them. They are NOT supporting the strikers if they continue performing their shows while the strike is on. That is scab behavior.
How much money can they lose if they were to take a principled stand? They can't afford it?
That's a bit hard to believe.
Yeah I still like them a lot, but frankly they've gone down quite a few degrees of respectability in my view.
My 2 cents.
Thing Fish @ 53:
scab flak? it's not flak...stewart is a scab. can we move off of that please...?
As far as "real information" on the strike goes...why are you looking in the comments section of a blog for "real information" on the strike? I mean sure you might find a tidbit of information here or there, but generally speaking isn't the comments section for...wait for it...comments? But suffice it to say that the writers are still on strike...http://www.wga.org/
archmunster @ 57:
So bottom line is you don't have anything of substance... well have yourself a happy new year day anyway.
That chick is a waste of Good Putang.
Thing Fish @ 58:
Free from the diversions that you and others have been throwing at me, the substantial point I have been trying to make is that C&L should not have posted a video to a show whose writers are on strike. And we shouldn't excuse such behavior. This site has a very big impact on the way people think and so it does matter. But I take it you think it's a fairly trivial matter--which I guess is where we part paths.
Now you have yourself a good day too :)
Just heard the writer's strike may be over. I sure hope so. I know Stewart was between a rock and a hard place, but I really feel for these writers.
archmunster @ 60:
wait for it......yup...you just contradicted yourself.....and Wait for it...........some of them are right.
langx @ 59:
there ya go.
Bah, get of your high horse. pasting your shitty morals on others. Ever thought about the rest of the crew? Should they be dragged down and get unemployed? It's not a black and white situation. Calling John a scab is so easy, especially if you are not in his position. You think he enjoyed getting back to work and to be called a scab? Hell no!!!! He's not dumb! You think that he enjoys that the writers are on strike and unemployed? Hell no!!!!
Holmes: One more thing I would say about that that I think is interesting -is it’s proof that voters like to vote for who they like.
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard since, well, since Jonah Goldberg was on teevee explaining his new "book". What kills me is she said it in such a way as to give the impression that she honestly believed she was making the most insightful observation evah. I suppose I could call her a stupid reichwing c**t, but that would be giving her way too much credit.
I haven't seen the Daily Show on this site in a while......... Glad to see John back :)
poor ron paul :(
Amy Holmes she says stupid stuff like this and this is why Glenn Beck likes her(she was on his Super Tuesday shows also).
Any time you mention Amy Holmes, you should definitely mention that she's a former speechwriter for Bill Frist and considers herself a "closet conservative" (as she noted on Bill Maher a week or so ago). CNN certainly doesn't identify Holmes as such, just like they don't note the party affiliation or professional bias of most of their rows of election night pundits, which from a quick count looks like it skews about at least 75% conservative Republican.
And by the way, isn't it curious that the one female African-American pundit CNN chooses to offer is a Republican? Kind of like how when the news networks need someone on gay issues, they often bring in Republican Andrew Sullivan?
Not only were Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert forced back to work by their parent company, they've turned their shows into forms of protest on behalf of the writers - who they have mentioned countless times with stinging jabs directed at the companies screwing said writers over. But even if they weren't forced back to work, it's clear to anyone who has followed either show that Stewart and Colbert are compassionate people who have the blessing of their writers and who care very deeply for the plight their close friends are facing. So, yes, I think it's kind of sad that so many people direct their bile at these two. It strikes me as a loss of perspective.
Meat @ 72:
Meat, that's a very compelling argument. Do you have substantiation for your assertions that they have the blessings of the writers, and that they were forced back to work?
I would like to feel better about them, right now I have to view this as scab behavior.
archmunster @ 22:
But what about the crew members that would have lost their jobs because of the strike? It's the same reason Letterman, Leno and rest of the late-night ilk have gone back to work — it's to keep the networks from firing the rest of the staff.
Stewart and Colbert weren't "forced" to go back to work.
Besides... Amy Holmes is yummy (when she's not talking).
The definition of supporting a union during a strike is very clear. Does the union regard the reliance of replacement workers to get TDS and Colbert om the air as strike breaking? It's pretty clear that they do. Therefore, we should be denying these shows audiences and call upon the owners of the show to settle with the strikers. What Colbert and Stewart feel about their actions is irrelevant. What hairs we want to split in defining a 'scab' is also irrelevant. What is relevant is progressives supporting in word and deed the strike. Posting clips (or clicking on them) helps weaken the strike effort and is abetting strike breakers.
Rick Gregory @ 75:
What really weakened the strike effort is not the late-night shows (c'mon Colbert's and Stewart's aren't the only ones), but the WGA leadership. WGA wanted reality programing producers to be listed as writers, but the studios didn't. The fact that the DGA was able to strike a deal with the studios about the internet royalties, that's on par with what the WGA wants, shows that studios are will to go along with that. It's the WGA leadership that has dug in its heels about the reality TV producers that has dragged this strike on for so long.
WGA was noble in its intent, but hardheaded in their methods.
If anything has harmed or "weakened" the WGA in Hollywood it's all those accursed reality shows. If we can keep people from watching the Survivors, Amazing Races, Big Brothers and (gasp) American Idols, (not to mention the prime-time game shows) then the writers and the WGA would have better leverage. Putting The (A) Daily Show and the Colbert Report on the air indicates that these shows provide a service (satire as it may be). If you really have an issue, quit watching the show when it comes on TV.
Stewart is management and is under no obligation to engage in a sympathy strike. Whatever the textbook definition for scab may be the term is generally applied to replacement workers nor is it to people who cross picket lines to shop. They are known by a variety of words that have no place in a family friendly website like C&L. Stewart and Colbert were likely facing breech of contract penalties if they didn't go back to work and I bet they gave some consideration to holding out further but capitulated for reasons we are likely to hear about later. Nevertheless Stewart especially seems embarrassed to not have taken a more principled stand and despite my disappointment I have to feel a little sorry for him but I can't stand to it watch anymore. The quality of the show has obviously suffered but it's going to be interesting to see if they ever regain the affection of progressives once the strike is finally resolved.
You know, if all of you channeled your is a scab/ain't a scab energy into activism against this criminal government, maybe something positive would occur.
Now I can wait for the venomous remarks.
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