The sun does not tell them lies that affect their daily lives

I heard they took the word "Gullible" out of the dictionary....

By the way Americans shouldn't feel so bad about their celestial knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvjz0pL3LKk

I was listening to far-right Christian radio in the car and they say the media "propaganda machine" is going after bush and that he did not lie us into Iraq. He also said some bat s**t crazy stuff about God and the end of days. What an ego he must have to think that his religion is the only correct one and all others will be punished by a "just a loving" God. He also talked about invading Iran. I am not ruling out the existence of God, but these nut jobs are scaring me, and unfortunately they have influence. Maybe it's the folks who believe the sun revolved around the earth.

If you told me 50%, I might believe it. 79%, I find that very hard to believe!
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of morons out there, but 79%?

The quote on the site is off. The blog that Daily Irrelevant quoted had it wrong and has since corrected itself almost a month ago (http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12245)
In a recently released Harris Poll survey, 79% of American adults believe the sun revolves around the earth. I am not making this up.-> In a recently released Harris Poll survey, 21% of American adults believe the sun revolves around the earth. I am not making this up.

Shared Humanity @ 2:

I don't believe this. There is no way that 79% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth.

The real question here is how many Americans are dyslexic?

Whoever wrote http://weblog.sinteur.com/?p=21696 definitely is.

You don't have to believe me - go read it for yourself.

GonzoD @ 12:

On a completely different topic, I'm wondering how the Obama supporters like the fact that their candidate is having a very steamy love affair with their guy right now?
Hell, nobody even mentions that he voted for immunity for the telecom companies and didn't even show up for the SCHIP vote.

Then again, nobody talks about the fact that after John McCain, he has missed the most in the Senate by far.

CORRECTION
I'm wondering how the Obama supporters like the fact that their candidate is having a very steamy love affair with the media right now?

Oh well, I hope you like your media star!

Don Davis @ 6:

Here are the Top Ten Questions Pollsters Should Really Ask

Excellent questions. Permit me to add another. Knowing what we know now (Bush, Quayle..etc), would you ever hire an employee who went to Yale and didn't receive a full academic scholarship?

I think this is a sarcastic thread.

It's about how few people don't trust the oil companies.

And they don't deserve our trust.

They try to say prices are set by some abstract future markets

But that's like what insurance companies and banks said trying to blame red-lining neighborhoods on back in the 70's.

Shared Humanity @ 2:

I don't believe this. There is no way that 79% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth.

I have to agree, that is a load of crap. They must have surveyed people from the flat earth institute.

George Bush, on the other hand, thinks everything revolves around him.

See 4th comment:

You're Correct, My Mistake ...

... and I fixed the error. I apologise for transposing the numbers in the poll.

I'm pretty sure one of the persons polled is a host on The View.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWv_qlKxSg

Yeah, sun revolves around Jupiter, or is it the other way around.

WHEN DO WE VETT OBAMA?

It's not satire. Apparently the guy who wrote the original post read the source numbers wrong. 79% of Americans believe the earth revolves around the Sun, not the other way around. Somehow two separate blogs haven't noticed that the original poster has since corrected it.

So, yeah, people aren't that ignorant here lol. In fact, the original Gallup poll claims Germans had similar numbers, for sake of comparison.

Thing Fish @ 20:

21% believe Sun revolves around the Earth. It's assumed 79% believe Earth revolves around the Sun.

Wait... There are still people that believe the Sun revolves around the Earth?

NO. Nobody is that fucking stupid.

Well of course the 25% knuckle-draggers believe the sun revolves around the Earth. No surprise there.

Believe It @ 3:

I heard they took the word "Gullible" out of the dictionary....

No it's still there, in the book title Gullible's Travels.

It appears to me that aside from the general brain-washing and complete lack of "conceptual continuity" (as St. Frank would say), these people completely lack what they claim to have the most of!
Some Faith.
Faith in the scienific method that is.
Typical lizard brains.
Through everyday (and night) observations that we are all sensing, we can "feel" the motions of our (Earth's) movements through the Cosmos.
Apply some fairly simple plane geometry and I believe that my 5th grader can demonstate (scientifically) that the eartth is indeed orbiting the sun.
And since we base our technologies on just such mundane applications of repetitive observations ... I think I am going to opt for the process that works.
Engineering based on magical beliefs is not going to work here on the temporal plane.

charlels@343
just my thought...
With all do respect to the FBI and the families of those killed and (or) wounded at Pine Ridge...
You are caught up in the same Power Grab by the Federal Goverment that brought ruin to the Great American Peoples that existed on these lands well before The US Constitution was set in place.
I can only speak for myself; which in so many ways has been the down fall of Native Americans, to be sovriegn as individuals...
The U S Constitution is ThE GREAT TREATY amongst all that have come to This Great Nation of "THE PEOPLE".
You must protect it from the Enimies Within,
Which in my humble opinion is being demonstrated daily as elected officials allow, and enable a state of Fascism to grow like a cancer on the Federal Goverment!
And I am sure that someday soon you will be able to forgive Mr Peltier for any transgression he may have comitted, by simply taking a true stance of faith; as the Quackers around the merciless school shootings in their community took, finding a true faith in a Creator and your own spiritual timelessness.
What do you plan to do about the Lakota "uprising" this time?
Legally ... the US loses these cases in a world court!
The broken treaties that is...
BUT when SCOTUS gets done with it I'm sure that The Majority will have some
"Tortured"
opinion for setting the Tribes in line...
Led of course by Scalia!!! take a joke
"that's just one man's opinon"
Back to the Ghost Dance

The Daily Irrelevant is wrong, wrong, wrong. The author of that blog entry obviously did NOT read the poll in question. It very clearly states that 79% of the populace believe the EARTH revolves around the SUN. 79% of the populace is CORRECT about the relationship between Sol and Earth. The people polled are CORRECT about the sun/Earth, and the same people are CORRECT about the level of corruption and trustworthiness of corporations.

Please note the error in THIS blog entry, for the link provided is factually incorrect beyond belief, in a manner that utterly undermines the basic premise of the blog entry in question.

Sun-Earth Paradox @ 366:

I noticed something unusual with the sun-earth alignment. On a given day, at a given hour, the earth faces a specific direction relative to the stars. Fast forward, 6 months. when the earth is on the other side of the sun. The earth, facing the same direction relative to the stars, yet the sun would be on the other side of the earth. This has the appeerance of the earth being either ahead or behind 12 hours. Diagram.

For the earth to reach the same position relative to the sun, it would have to rotate 180-degrees, or 12 hours.

Not that this means anything, but I thought it was strange: Then, in the next six months, when the earth returns to its original position, it would then do the same thing: The sun would appear to be on the opposite side of the earth, or a net gain or loss of another 12 hours. After one complete orbit of the sun, the earth -- as viewed from above -- would appear to gain 12 hours; then as it swept back, lose 12 hours.

This chart better illustrates the point. Look at the Vernal Equinox, center-bottom. Notice where South America is: It's on the dark side of the earth. Now, look at the opposite diagram of the erath at the Autumnal Equinox: South America is 180-degress opposite: It's in the sunlight. If we were to look at South America from the Sun at both the Vernal and Autumn Equinox, the earth would have to rotate another 180degrees to have South America face the sun in both positions.

Here is another way of looking at it: Compare the positions of the earth relative to the Sun on Sept 23rd (center, bottom) and March 21 (center, top). Notice the United States faces the viewer in both images; but relative to the sun the Earth appears to be 180-degrees out of alignment. Said another way, if we were to look at the earth from the Sun on March 21st, we would have rotate the earth 180 degrees to see the same landmass on earth on Sept 23rd.

Sun-Earth Paradox @ 368:

Sun-Earth Paradox @ 367:

Sun-Earth Paradox @ 366:

I noticed something unusual with the sun-earth alignment. On a given day, at a given hour, the earth faces a specific direction relative to the stars. Fast forward, 6 months. when the earth is on the other side of the sun. The earth, facing the same direction relative to the stars, yet the sun would be on the other side of the earth. This has the appeerance of the earth being either ahead or behind 12 hours. Diagram.

For the earth to reach the same position relative to the sun, it would have to rotate 180-degrees, or 12 hours.

Not that this means anything, but I thought it was strange: Then, in the next six months, when the earth returns to its original position, it would then do the same thing: The sun would appear to be on the opposite side of the earth, or a net gain or loss of another 12 hours. After one complete orbit of the sun, the earth -- as viewed from above -- would appear to gain 12 hours; then as it swept back, lose 12 hours.

This chart better illustrates the point. Look at the Vernal Equinox, center-bottom. Notice where South America is: It's on the dark side of the earth. Now, look at the opposite diagram of the erath at the Autumnal Equinox: South America is 180-degress opposite: It's in the sunlight. If we were to look at South America from the Sun at both the Vernal and Autumn Equinox, the earth would have to rotate another 180degrees to have South America face the sun in both positions.

Here is another way of looking at it: Compare the positions of the earth relative to the Sun on Sept 23rd (center, bottom) and March 21 (center, top). Notice the United States faces the viewer in both images; but relative to the sun the Earth appears to be 180-degrees out of alignment. Said another way, if we were to look at the earth from the Sun on March 21st, we would have rotate the earth 180 degrees to see the same landmass on earth on Sept 23rd.

The point is this: As we rotate around the sun over a 365-day hear we're not gaining or losing an hour; we're gainging and losing 12 hours. Our clocks are not measured by the earth's rotation around the sun; but by the apparent position of the sun in the Earth's sky. Rather, if we really measured earth time based on the position of the earth, then we would have to adjust our clocks accordingly and gradually add or lose 12 hours over the 6-months.

This, in part, explains why why we have a leap year every 4 years -- when one extra day is added. And why the old calendars that did not have a leap year had a problem with spring-events falling in the summer. The above problems led to the Gregorian Calendar.

*as rotating around the sun

Avid Reader @ 359:

JerryO @ 357:

Don't forget there are people who actually believe that the earth is flat and that the 1969 moon landings never occurred and was portrayed on a sound stage. The ultimate conspiracy theorists. God love em'!!

Some of the moon landings were staged. Yes, we landed on the moon. But we ran out of money towards the end because we were fighting an endless war in a distant country and there is evidence that some of the later missions were staged.

I think the conspiracy folks are batting a 1000 right now.

See I told ya!!!!

Ya well at least they believe in things that EXIST. What about the 75% that believe in angels? Creeps me out knowing all these people around me believe in angels.

Global warming could lead to sharks in Antarctica.

"Five Times As Many Americans Think The Sun Revolves Around The Earth"

And half of all Republicans.

People believe that a virgin gave birth to a white egyptian and that she appears in oil stains under interstate 20 and causes statues to bleed human blood.

People believe that when they vote that the votes are counted and the person with the most votes wins.

People believe that George Bush is a religous heterosexual male who stopped inhaling peruvian flake shortly before he started worshipping the guy born from the virgin.

Pop Quiz!!!! . . .

Q: You must take an airplane across the country tomorrow morning and you must choose who will pilot the plane:

A. An atheist with a pilots license
B. A sociopath in a nice suit who believes in Jesus but has never flown before

You have 20 minutes to complete the test.

Peace

Tequila @ 39:

Global warming could lead to sharks in Antarctica.

But will they have freakin' laser beams. Would that be too much to ask?

GonzoD @ 15:

GonzoD @ 12:

On a completely different topic, I'm wondering how the Obama supporters like the fact that their candidate is having a very steamy love affair with their guy right now?
Hell, nobody even mentions that he voted for immunity for the telecom companies and didn't even show up for the SCHIP vote.

Then again, nobody talks about the fact that after John McCain, he has missed the most in the Senate by far.

CORRECTION
I'm wondering how the Obama supporters like the fact that their candidate is having a very steamy love affair with the media right now?

Oh well, I hope you like your media star!

Isn't Hillary, Bill and their daughter on tv? Is that 3/1?

Don't be silly.

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me the earth moves?

Heard this factoid while watching Moyers tonight. Great show. Susan Jacoby is my new hero. I'll be ordering one of her books soon. Also, his interview with Lori Grinker was like a punch in the stomach. I had difficulty catching my breath and was tearing up listening to and viewing her work.

Obama is the lesser of three evils. He's not a bad guy but when you swim in the sewer eventually you begin to stink. He does give me hope that there will be change and that soon we will change to a country of hope that hopes for change. This could change but I really hope not.

Snuggly The Security Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpdOThoQ_4s

There are currently 15 commenters and an estimated 150 lurkers revolving around the Harris poll on C&L.

Margin of error +/- 2756

Harris reportedly "very pleasantly surprised" at all the attention his pole has been getting.

Avid Reader @ 53:

Obama is the lesser of three evils. He's not a bad guy but when you swim in the sewer eventually you begin to stink. He does give me hope that there will be change and that soon we will change to a country of hope that hopes for change. This could change but I really hope not.

LOL

Ron @ 54:

GonzoD @ 24:

Where are all the Kucinich lovers who didn't want the MSM picking their candidate for them?
The media has picked Obama for you, happy now?

I thought the MSM was pushing for Clinton to go against Giuliani. What is your thought as to the switch to McCain against Obama. They were always saying that Clinton would be the frontrunner from the beginning. Explain to me how you came to your conclusion.

Here come the super delegates . . . the icing on the rube goldberg election system cake . . . ain't democracy a mf

Ruthless People @ 56:

jervisPervis @ 48:

americans are idiots. 2 the ranting gryphon nails it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cBiOTvxXcY

I sent that to everybody in my address book. That was good.</blockquous

Right on ranting.

back in my student days, the students who majored in social studies were interested in helping people get out of poverty, helped organize programs like heating oil subsidies, etc.. the shooter in illinois, was majoring in social studies to manage prisons. i think this reflects the sickness that is so widespread in this country these days. the fact that he was taking pharma products and stopped points out pretty severe withdrawel symptoms that the pharma corps. have probably covered up. when i was in school, melancholy was treated with bong hits with friends and that seemed to lighten things up. in todays world, we would be locked up in a prison that might be managed by a person like the shooter in illinois.

Avid Reader @ 66:

I read that Henry Waxman is going to open an investigation into the use of steriods by FBI translators.

You either get it or you don't.

both of them did look pretty buffed.

America closes the book on intelligence.

Bush didn't need intelligence, just his daddies friends to keep the silver spoon up his nose.

tr @ 65:

back in my student days, the students who majored in social studies were interested in helping people get out of poverty, helped organize programs like heating oil subsidies, etc.. the shooter in illinois, was majoring in social studies to manage prisons. i think this reflects the sickness that is so widespread in this country these days. the fact that he was taking pharma products and stopped points out pretty severe withdrawel symptoms that the pharma corps. have probably covered up. when i was in school, melancholy was treated with bong hits with friends and that seemed to lighten things up. in todays world, we would be locked up in a prison that might be managed by a person like the shooter in illinois.

In the Chicago Trib this week . . on one page . . . an article about the medical marijuana controversy and another article about all the people starting to croak because they lived in the poisonous formaldehyde FEMA trailors that we paid 100's of milllions of dollars for.

They will put someone in jail for smoking a plant that literally is a weed to protect us but then they will put thousands of people in trailors that kill them even though they know that the mf trailors will kill them.

We could have sent all of those folks to vegas for a couple of years and still come out better.

Tell me where the meet-up is and I'll bring the torches

Ron @ 54:

GonzoD @ 24:

Where are all the Kucinich lovers who didn't want the MSM picking their candidate for them?
The media has picked Obama for you, happy now?

I thought the MSM was pushing for Clinton to go against Giuliani. What is your thought as to the switch to McCain against Obama. They were always saying that Clinton would be the frontrunner from the beginning. Explain to me how you came to your conclusion.

The press has always had a love affair with McCain, no surprise there.
Obama doesn't speak to the media very much. They don't question his record - he doesn't have much of one - nobody asks him about the 130 times in the Illinois Senate that he voted "Present". Not yes or no - present!
He's missed more votes in the US Senate than anyone running for POTUS, except for St. McCain!
He missed the SCHIP vote. He was supposed to appear on the View that day, cancelled his appearance because of the vote, but still didn't vote!
His health plan leaves 15 million uninsured, no one questions it!
His speeches go on & on about change & hope, there is very little substance there, but nobody calls him on it.
I could go on, but I'm getting tired.

BTW, we know the media has always treated the Clintons fairly haven't they?
When the pudits start on Hillary, the first thing they talk about is how polarizing she is. Well, a good % of the people out there might not feel that way if they didn't hear it coming out of their TVs every day.

When the race started, I heard many people say they didn't want the media to pick the candidates - fine! My response was that they shouldn't let the MSM regurgitate the old Clinton talking points either.
Guess what happened?

GNA!

Ruthless People @ 72:

bleve @ 49:

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me the earth moves?

So that's why I keep falling out of my chair. I thought is had something to do with this half empty bottle of Vodka.

You need an armchair.

i think the fema trailers need to be aired out with cannibus smoke.

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

Ron @ 75:

Ruthless People @ 72:

bleve @ 49:

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me the earth moves?

So that's why I keep falling out of my chair. I thought is had something to do with this half empty bottle of Vodka.

You need an armchair.

With a seatbelt.

I'm lying down . . . see you guys . . thanks for the 'tainment.

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]
:lol:

Just because some idiot posted some crap on his website doesn't make it so. Referring to the actual gallup article shows the blogger to have been mistaken in what the poll revealed. In fact, 79% of American believe the earth to revolve around the sun. Check your facts next time.

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

GonzoD @ 95:

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

wow that was fast! :lol:

GonzoD @ 94:

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

"Consider the source is flame throwing"? You're not serious?
The other one I can see, but I guess it's OK to call someone an asshole but not a dickhead.
Fair And Balanced?

Proud2bHumble @ 98:

GonzoD @ 95:

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

Foiled again!

Whereas I have been defoiled, if not defiled...

Ron @ 100:

Ron @ 80:

GonzoD @ 73:

Ron @ 54:

The press has always had a love affair with McCain, no surprise there.
Obama doesn't speak to the media very much. They don't question his record - he doesn't have much of one - nobody asks him about the 130 times in the Illinois Senate that he voted "Present". Not yes or no - present!
He's missed more votes in the US Senate than anyone running for POTUS, except for St. McCain!
He missed the SCHIP vote. He was supposed to appear on the View that day, cancelled his appearance because of the vote, but still didn't vote!
His health plan leaves 15 million uninsured, no one questions it!
His speeches go on & on about change & hope, there is very little substance there, but nobody calls him on it.
I could go on, but I'm getting tired.

BTW, we know the media has always treated the Clintons fairly haven't they?
When the pudits start on Hillary, the first thing they talk about is how polarizing she is. Well, a good % of the people out there might not feel that way if they didn't hear it coming out of their TVs every day.

When the race started, I heard many people say they didn't want the media to pick the candidates - fine! My response was that they shouldn't let the MSM regurgitate the old Clinton talking points either.
Guess what happened?

GNA!

I would support Clinton, if she is nominated, but if you have any intelligence, you know that the right wing is going to bring up everthing in her history, even if it was already vetted. Aren't you smart enough to know that Clinton is the one they think they can beat?

GonzoD, you would still rather comment on whether you are an asshole or not, but you will not respond to a legimate question.

Sorry, I got sidetracked by the Principal!
To answer your question, wait 'til the Repugs go after Obama on his slim record and his admitted drug use. It doesn't matter who the nominee is, the attack machine will do their job.

GonzoD @ 99:

GonzoD @ 94:

[Flame throwing-Sitemonitor]

"Consider the source is flame throwing"? You're not serious?
The other one I can see, but I guess it's OK to call someone an asshole but not a dickhead.
Fair And Balanced?

Once you go 'dickhead' the exchange has mushroomed and someone's bound to get the shaft. Don't feel deflated... I'm sure you're all resilient phallus.

GonzoD @ 12:

On a completely different topic, I'm wondering how the Obama supporters like the fact that their candidate is having a very steamy love affair with their guy right now?
Hell, nobody even mentions that he voted for immunity for the telecom companies and didn't even show up for the SCHIP vote.

Then again, nobody talks about the fact that after John McCain, he has missed the most in the Senate by far.

Oh well, I hope you like your media star!

ok, do over! no flaming. correct your lies about obama's voting record. try to be rational.

GonzoD @ 60:

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 47:

GonzoD @ 15:

GonzoD @ 12:

Isn't Hillary, Bill and their daughter on tv? Is that 3/1?

Don't be silly.

3/1? What the hell are you talking about? When Michelle Obama speaks, the press can't heap enough praise on her.
When Bill Clinton says anything, he's having a meltdown or being a rascist!
The media doesn't question anything that comes out of the Obama camp!

Are you kidding me? You sound like sour grapes. Isn't Hillary's unplanned count of two states and the unfair superdelegates enough for you?

GonzoD @ 103:

Ron @ 100:

Ron @ 80:

GonzoD @ 73:
I would support Clinton, if she is nominated, but if you have any intelligence, you know that the right wing is going to bring up everthing in her history, even if it was already vetted. Aren't you smart enough to know that Clinton is the one they think they can beat?

GonzoD, you would still rather comment on whether you are an asshole or not, but you will not respond to a legimate question.

Sorry, I got sidetracked by the Principal!
To answer your question, wait 'til the Repugs go after Obama on his slim record and his admitted drug use. It doesn't matter who the nominee is, the attack machine will do their job.

Right but, they have been supporting a known drug user and alcholic for the last 7 years. That will not carry much water. People have woken up.

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 109:

GonzoD @ 60:

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 47:

GonzoD @ 15:

Isn't Hillary, Bill and their daughter on tv? Is that 3/1?

Don't be silly.

3/1? What the hell are you talking about? When Michelle Obama speaks, the press can't heap enough praise on her.
When Bill Clinton says anything, he's having a meltdown or being a rascist!
The media doesn't question anything that comes out of the Obama camp!

Are you kidding me? You sound like sour grapes. Isn't Hillary's unplanned count of two states and the unfair superdelegates enough for you?

If Obama won Mich & FLA, you don't think he's want them counted? Get reeeeaaaal!

Look, the right wing finally figured out the cause of liberalism: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=56494

GonzoD @ 106:

Dear Sitemonitor:
I wish to change my name to lying asshole. Is there anyway that can be done?

lol :)

CheneyIsADick @ 108:

pol @ 14:

If you click on the "quote" link at the Daily Irrelevant, you go to The Smirking Chimp. Reading the comments there, someone corrected him on the 79% number, and he changed the statistic in his blogpost. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12245

In a recently released Harris Poll survey, 21% of American adults believe the sun revolves around the earth. I am not making this up.

Bluegal, your posting needs to be corrected.

Take 21% of 300 million. That's roughly 60 million. Is anyone still wondering why Chimpy and the organ grinder can get away with murder.

There are plenty of variables to consider e.g. children.

This is a bullshit link, check it out.

"And it's a Washington that has thrown open its doors to lobbyists and special interests who've riddled our tax code with loopholes that let corporations avoid paying their taxes while you're paying more..... They don't represent ordinary Americans, they don't fund my campaign, and they won't drown out the voices of working families when I am President." -- Bar Obama, 2 days ago.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/02/13/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_50.php

A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.

In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.

Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.

In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists...

WE REALLY NEED TO VETT THIS GUY. Chicago politics is to him what NYC politics was to Rudi.Difference is that Rudi will not be an albatross around his party's neck come November.

GonzoD @ 120:

Ron @ 114:

GonzoD @ 113:

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 109:

If Obama won Mich & FLA, you don't think he's want them counted? Get reeeeaaaal!

You can't win shit if your not on the ballot.

He was on the ballot in FLA!

Don't you agree that the voters were informed that the democratic vote would not be valid? If you have been informed that the vote would not count and you vote for that person anyway, why should that vote be counted? Get a clue.

GonzoD @ 125:

CoIntelPro @ 116:

GonzoD @ 113:

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 109:

If Obama won Mich & FLA, you don't think he's want them counted? Get reeeeaaaal!

every candidate but hillary honored the democratic party's ruling that the delegates would not be counted and that no campaigning was to be done. add the superdelegates and it sure looks like hillary will cheat her own party to win, i.e., win at any cost be it play the race card, sigh and cry, whatever it might take. people in general are sick of it and do not buy it.

That's such a crock of fecal matter! If the tables were turned, he'd be crying about it too!

But they're not.

GonzoD:

What's the point of audience participation if the questions are planted/staged?

The earth doesn't revolve around the sun, either.
They revolve around each other, remember?
Something about celestial mechanics...
Wadda wackie universe!

GonzoD @ 131:

I stand before you humbled. I was given the wrong info on Obama's vote on Telecom immunity, I apoligize.
But I won't apoligize for pointing out that he missed the SCHIP vote.

Wow, your humbled by one incident. What about the rest?

Proud2bHumble @ 129:

GonzoD @ 122:

Dear Sitemonitor:
I would like an answer to my question about changing my name.
I would also like to know why you consider semen and urine to be worse than fecal matter?

Should have included your informed opinion i.e. "because in my experience, etc.".

I thought you could inform us much better, considering.........