February 15, 2008 05:34 PM
Mid-Day Open Thread
From the same spoiled brats who brought you Billionaires for Bush and crossposted by our friends at Brave New Film and their new project, Less Jobs, More Wars. **
**Corrected to properly attribute video.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGiJxwvmh0
My latest video, Vote McCain or the Terrorists Win. Can Joe escape from his prison and take out his evil twin once and for all?
I know it's now considered passé to care about grammer, but using "less" when the correct word is "fewer" makes my skin crawl.
Mid-day? It's 5:45pm.
Somebody slept late :)
Don't Count Out the Rupuglicans just yet: The House ‘Walkout’ Spurs GOP to Highest Ratings Ever
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1475
No you can't make a better video then that!!! that's was great!
like a double negatives and some shit!
the only difference between Hillary and John McCain is gender, Obama has the potential to disrupt the status quo in Washington, it is not a coincidence that he is being attacked by both of them today.
Great video.
However, yes we can.
Illinois Women for Obama
Thanks for listening.
berberry @ 2:
I was going to say the same thing. :)
Fewer jobs.
nieddu @ 6:
Oh? Hillary is using lies to support the actions of President Bush, just like John McCain is doing today? Can you provide a quote where she's doing this?
I'm leaning toward Obama over Hillary myself, but let's keep things real, shall we?
FDA perjury?
While we were worried about steroid using baseball players being bad role models, did FDA officials let peoples kids die to protect drug profits? Why is the Bush administration not helping to answer this question?
Bush Administration Doesn't Turn Over FDA Documents
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080212/pl_bloomberg/aiaktc9fm7k8
That film has all my sediments!
I can't? Well if you say so- WAIT A MINUTE! Yes I can! :)
Brad,
This very week the president has demonstrated that he cares more about big companies than people. He's willing veto a bill he himself says is critical to saving American lives because it doesn't include immunity from law-breaking for telephone companies.
So the relevant question is actually this: does the president care more about telcom companies than he does about drug companies? We already know where he stands on the question of companies vs. human lives.
I give it a C+.
Lollimom @ 8:
I think the correct slogan should be, "Yes, we are able!"
My fellow Americans of any political ideology, we need to stop fighting against each other, in order to achieve those goals advocated by Obama and to a less credible extend Hillary, that are associated with improving quality of life, that Europeans so much enjoy. My work takes me all over the world, we now work and live in France, yes the taxes are hight, and costumers service could be better, but in addition of good food and wine, the French people have free health and dental care, subsidized prescriptions, free university tuition, a generous mandatory retirement, incredibly good public schools, with 5 course meals for the pupils, interest-free loan for first home buyers.... I'd better stop here.
What are the odds of Senator Barack Obama not getting a single vote in the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District?.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=4&hp&oref=slog...
nieddu @ 6:
No, he won't.
His foreign policy advisor is the Trilateralist founder Zbigniew Brzezinski - a proponent of the capture and control of the middle east. And one of his economic advisors is Austan Goolsbee, a Yale grad and member of Skull n Bones - (just like Kerry and the Bush family Georges and Prescott.)
So, there you have it. Obama is cavorting with the types that brought you globalization and war in the Middle East. You have fallen for the sirens song.
One of Larry Elder's reason to vote for McCain in '08. Yes, McCain!
He also apparently believes the lie Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11
And that the economy is doing great due to George Bush:
What next Mr Elder? Have "conservatives" clap their hands to save the failure that is the Republican party?
nieddu @ 16:
I've known other people who've lived there and they say pretty much the same thing. But I've been hearing lately that a different sort of social conservative movement is emerging as a political force there, mostly involving immigrants from the Middle East. As I understand, if present trends continue there may be a threat to some of the freedoms the French enjoy, thanks to the political influence of conservative Islam.
I have no idea whether this is true or not, but since you're there I'd like to hear what you think.
John McCain is more than just a right-wing tool but a fool too. McCain knows absolutely nothing about how to bring about an effective foreign policy other than the already failed militaristic type of policies that the Bush administration have foisted on the rest of the world, in a dismal display of aggression and hubris harming any U.S. goal or interest to ever be achieved.
I suggest people read the following book, Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam after Iraq, and go to www.antiwar.com and listen to Michael Scheuer's interview on antiwarradio.
Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam after Iraq
By Michael Scheuer
Bibliographic Data: Hardcover, 288 Pages, Simon & Schuster, February 2008
List Price: $27.00
Borders Price: $21.60 (save 20%)
ISBN: 0743299698
Description: Scheuer first questioned the goals of the Iraq War in his 2004 bestseller Imperial Hubris, policymakers and ordinary citizens alike stood up and took notice. Now, Scheuer offers a scathing and frightening look at how the Iraq War has been a huge setback to America's War on Terror, making our enemy stronger and altering the geopolitical landscape in ways that are profoundly harmful to U.S. interests and security concerns.
Marching Toward Hell is not just another attack on the Bush administration. Rather, it sounds a critical alarm that must be heard in order to preserve the nation's security. Scheuer outlines the ways that America's foreign policy since the end of the Cold War has undermined the very goals for which we are fighting and played right into bin Laden's hands.
The ongoing instability in Iraq, for example, has provided al Qaeda and its allies with the one thing they want most: a safe haven from which to launch operations across borders into countries that were previously difficult for them to reach. With U.S. forces and resources spread thinner every day, the war has depleted our strength and brought al Qaeda a kind of success that it could not have achieved on its own.
A twenty-plus-year CIA veteran, Scheuer headed the agency's Osama bin Laden unit, managed its covert-action operations, and authored its rendition program. Scheuer spent his career developing strategies to keep America safe, by any means deemed necessary by the presidents he served. It was his job to take available intelligence and devise plans to protect Americans, without considering bias, position, or even existing alliances.
In Marching Toward Hell, Scheuer takes on the questions of "What went wrong?" and "How can we fix this?" and proposes a plan to cauterize the damage that has already been done and get American strategy back on track. He lists a number of painful recommendations for how we must shift our ideological, military, and political views in order to survive, even if that means disagreeing with Israeli policy or launching more brutal campaigns against terrorists. America holds its destiny in its hands, Scheuer says, yet not nearly enough has been done to defend America and destroy its Islamist enemies. This is an eye-opening, alarming, contentious, and ultimately fascinating examination of how far off track the War on Terror has gone, and a critical read in understanding what we must do to save it.
berberry @ 2:
Language dictates logic.
Language is political.
If you want to grab control of power, grab control of language.
Obama knows this, fortunately.
Hillary does not, fortunately.
Quoting myself:
berberry @ 20:
Sorry, I meant to say "if present trends continue, in a couple decades or so there may be a threat..."
berberry @ 13:
I guess Bush loves drug companies more, he left the FICA battle scene to promote drug interests in Africa.
Brad @ 24:
Ack- FISA not FICA
berberry @ 23:
Better: current trends
The person is right: use fewer not less. Dang. Like okay you say there is less water in the tub (volume) than I thought...but sheesh YOU I guess would say there is fewer water in the tub....For individually countable items use "less than" which okay. Let the reactionaries use language in lousy way as they already do.
Brad @ 24:
Good point, but wait a sec! These are Africans, not Americans. Given the president's obvious disdain for poor blacks, one could argue that disregarding average African lives in favor of drug company interests is not quite so dramatic from the president's own standpoint as disregarding average American lives in favor of telcom interests. So you could at least make a plausible case that he in fact cares more about telcoms.
Check.
"2 berberry Says: I know it’s now considered passé to care about grammer, but using “less” when the correct word is “fewer” makes my skin crawl."
How do you feel about spelling?
D H Lawrence @ 27:
Indeed. To put it more simply: "less" is a term of mass, "few" or "fewer" applies to countable items. A few exceptions are allowed in the use of "less" (mostly regarding measures of time and money), but a reference to "jobs" is not one of them.
xoites defends Constitution @ 29:
You didn't ask me, but I think it's important.
One might argue, discourse here on the internet is not the same as writing a theme.
But young persons get a sense of language use here on the internet.
Therefore, it is the responsibility of older folks here to use the English language correctly.
I've known other people who've lived there and they say pretty much the same thing. But I've been hearing lately that a different sort of social conservative movement is emerging as a political force there, mostly involving immigrants from the Middle East. As I understand, if present trends continue there may be a threat to some of the freedoms the French enjoy, thanks to the political influence of conservative Islam.
I have no idea whether this is true or not, but since you're there I'd like to hear what you think.
Most of the Muslims that make 7% of France population are from North -Africa, which belong to a generally more moderate and friendly version of Islam.
Yes , there is some discontent among the young in this large Muslim population, which is mostly marginalized to public housing projects, with relatively fewer economic opportunities. The new President, Sarkozy, has hired a (Muslim) woman Cabinet minister to come up with ideas and solutions to improve the conditions and quality of lives of these justifiably unhappy youths. The French law allows immigrants that cause trouble (in extreme cases) to be deported back where they came from, even though they have French citizenship. A bit extreme, but efficient in deterring social disorder.
xoites defends Constitution @ 29:
Point taken! But, in my own defense I would argue that I was posting a quick thought to an internet forum, not naming a documentary.
Diebold favors Hillary, hand count for Obama
http://presscue.com/node/38034
berberry @ 20:
berberry @ 2:
If fewer makes your skin crawl, perhaps you should see a Doctor in Dermatology. I'm sure he or she has some salve that will work.
All we need now is for Lieberman to enter the race as an Independent. Then we would have 4, good for nothing Senators to pick from. As Yackof Smirnov would say, "what a country!"
I am into grammar and try my best to spell correctly. On the other hand my mother was an editor and pounded it into my head (the grammar.) I used to be a stickler and then i realized that the way we use grammar today is the result of an evolution that pretty much resulted from people misusing grammar in the past.
Besides, i just decided to lighten up and became a happier person for it. I get much more upset when people misuse words or use a word they don't understand the meaning of to try to both say something entirely different or unrelated and try to somehow impress someone.
That is totally freaky.
Scooter @ 37:
well it was the democratic establishment that sidelined the only Democrat who would actually change things for the people - Kucinich.
and the republican establishment did that to Paul too.
berberry @ 28:
Ahh very good. I'll counter. The global drug companies, through the FDA in this case I mentioned, kill average Americans, as well as poor black Africans.
18 Truth B Told Says:
nieddu @ 6:
the only difference between Hillary and John McCain is gender, Obama has the potential to disrupt the status quo in Washington, it is not a coincidence that he is being attacked by both of them today.
No, he won’t.
His foreign policy advisor is the Trilateralist founder Zbigniew Brzezinski - a proponent of the capture and control of the middle east. And one of his economic advisors is Austan Goolsbee, a Yale grad and member of Skull n Bones - (just like Kerry and the Bush family Georges and Prescott.)
So, there you have it. Obama is cavorting with the types that brought you globalization and war in the Middle East. You have fallen for the sirens song.
Oh well, that proves it then, gilt by association!
I want gilt in gold, please.
bag of cop porn @ 41:
um, how do you think detectives and prosecutors link crime figures and crime organizations together, they map the network and its linkages.
43 Truth B Told Says: bag of cop porn @ 41:
18 Truth B Told Says:
nieddu @ 6:
Oh well, that proves it then, gilt by association!
um, how do you think detectives and prosecutors link crime figures and crime organizations together, they map the network and its linkages.
But it doesn't hold up in court!
Is Obama a Cult Leader????
Is Clinton a Racist????
Talam-Malat,
Talam-Malat,
Talam-Malat ...
xoites defends Constitution @ 38:
I pretty much agree with you, but I don't think I was being pedantic. Yes, the rules do change over time. We see it happening today with the use of "transition" and "impact" as verbs. But these involve at least a slight deficiency in the English language; when there's no readily available alternative verb, we sometimes force a noun into service. That's not the case with "less" and "fewer". I can't say exactly why, but to me the misuse of these two words sounds ignorant. Sorry.
bag of cop porn @ 44:
Since when? you obviously haven't seen RICO prosecutions or prosecutions of organized crime networks.
47 Truth B Told
You must have other evidence, association in itself is not enough, if it were than the paper boy, the pizza man, the mail man and anyone that comes in contact with a known criminal would be guilty, not just suspect!
Of course there will be other wars. The people who really run the country demand it. Most people foolishly believe that politicians run the country. It's not true. The country, no the world, is run by mega-corporations and banks. If it doesn't suit them then it wont happen. War is good for business. Selling those weapons of mass destruction is immensely profitable. Banks make huge profits lending the money to buy those weapons of mass destruction. Money is what runs the world. If there's no money in it then it's a bad thing according to our owners. Profit before people is the mantra that keeps them happy. Profits that continue to go up, up, and up again. Screw the "commoners", they don't matter. More money is all that matters.
Dave it is no longer about money, yhey've made their money. It's about power, control, and the complete enslavement of the masses.
46 berberry
In this case i will bow to poetic license.
Less than 4 hours left until the PAA expires and I still have 6 bottles of beer.
xoites defends Constitution, do you know how Dundalk got it's name?
Dave @ 49, other wars will be ok if we know what we're fighting against or for. I'll fight against opression of free speech and for clean air for example. People fighting against people is stupid. Too often we look at how different we are from them, rather that looking at how much we are like them. I agree that money is used as a measure of success in today's world, but think we would better off using less material measures like education level of the people. I truely believe we need to standardize our schools and eliminate home schooling.
Nice, nice set of videos.
Hang them with their own words. Not JUST McCain - ALL of them.
Then the election will win itself.
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52 Saint Augustine Says: Less than 4 hours left until the PAA expires and I still have 6 bottles of beer.
xoites defends Constitution, do you know how Dundalk got it’s name?
No, do tell.
xoites defends Constitution, in the late 1700's a boatload of Polish immigrants were sailing to Fells Point when a group of Italians from Little Italy ran down to the pier waving and hollering donna dock, donna dock, and the boat turned east and landed in the the area where the Dundalk Marine Terminal is now located. I have nothing against the poles, I married a girl from Highlandtown
That's an old Balmer story that I heard in Jewstown where they used to have the best delis. I do miss the old ethnic neighborhoods in Baltimore and the great ethnic foods at the restaurants.
I missed the smell of the McCormack spice factory at the Inner Harbour the last time I had crab cakes at Phillips. I also remember my father taking me to lunch at a place called Keknules (sic) on Pratt St. in the early '50s. Beer was a nickle and crab cakes were free if you drank beer. Baltimore was once known as a nickle town because of all the bars that sold a glass of beer for that price. There were over 20 different breweries in Baltimore in the early 1900's.
Less than 3 hours until the PAA expires, are you worried yet?
55 Saint Augustine
Ok, i won't berate you for the story even though it was named for Dundalk, Ireland.
You must have been gone a long time. The McCormick Spice factory burned down sometime around 1970 (i watched it burn), they long since moved out to Cockeyesville, Hunt Valley and Sparks (yes, very big).
As far as the PAA experation goes; i have my beer. Bring 'em on!
56 xoites defends Constitution
I'm not sure what year the fire was but I'm sure it wasn't in 1970. I would guess 1973 or later. I pretty certain about this because when I broke up with my first wife in 1970 I basically said fuck it and joined the Longshoremen's union. I remarried in 1972 (the 2nd wife was the Polish girl). I remember working on a breakbulk ship docked on Light St. in front of McCormac's unloading bags of spices. I specifically remember unloding 50 100 lb. bags of peppercorns and two bags of saffron. I remember asking my wife about the saffron when I went home and later discovered that the 200 Lbs. of saffron was worth a fortune.
I also worked ships at the Broadway pier, which was later used for the police offices on the Homicide Life on the Streets TV show. The bar across the street on the show was once a ILA union hall. The main union hall was on Hull St. off Fort Ave. in Locust Point.
I do know Baltimore quite well.
57 Saint Augustine Says: 56 xoites defends Constitution
I’m not sure what year the fire was but I’m sure it wasn’t in 1970. I would guess 1973 or later. I pretty certain about this because when I broke up with my first wife in 1970 I basically said fuck it and joined the Longshoremen’s union. I remarried in 1972 (the 2nd wife was the Polish girl). I remember working on a breakbulk ship docked on Light St. in front of McCormac’s unloading bags of spices. I specifically remember unloding 50 100 lb. bags of peppercorns and two bags of saffron. I remember asking my wife about the saffron when I went home and later discovered that the 200 Lbs. of saffron was worth a fortune.
I also worked ships at the Broadway pier, which was later used for the police offices on the Homicide Life on the Streets TV show. The bar across the street on the show was once a ILA union hall. The main union hall was on Hull St. off Fort Ave. in Locust Point.
I do know Baltimore quite well.
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I know it too because i spent the last twelve years being a courier there. I love Baltimore. I fell in love with a woman in Las Vegas wich is why i am here. Here family is here as well but i will probably go back some day. You would not recognize the place. It has changed tremendously. Once sleepy little town deserted at night the place thrives almost around the clock. I was in high school when the fire happened so maybe 1971-1973.
xoites , I just opened number 7 of the 12 pack. I realize I have spelled McCormicks wrong twice now and had two different spellings too.
Before I was a longshoreman I worked as a mechanic for Montgomery Ward out of the Monroe St. Catalog center. I went to peoples homes and business repairing air conditioners and refrigerators. I worked in Harford, Carroll, Anne Arundle, Howard, Prince Georges, Montgomery and Baltimore Counties as well as Baltimore City, which is a seperate enity not in any county.
I was also active in the Masons and used to go to the Masonic old age home, Bonnie Blink, in Cockysville every October. The McCormick facility is located on land that was sold by the Masons. I have lived on Linnard St, off Edmondson Ave. 4 blocks west of Hilton St., then Catonsville, Columbia, Cooks Lane off of Edmondson, Silver Springs, Ferndale and Woodlawn.
I was also able to patronize a few places along the infamous "Block" before urban renewal transformed that area. I also rode B&O passenger trains from Camden Station and flew on propeller airplanes out of Friendship Airport.
Fuck, I'm an old man aren't I. When I die I will be creamated and by ashes will be tossed into the Patapsco River from under the Rt. 40 Bridge, so they can flow past Ellicott City, one of my favorite places, and into the bay eventually.
55 Saint Augustine Says:
"Less than 3 hours until the PAA expires, are you worried yet?"
The only thing that expires is the telecommunication company's temporary immunity from prosecution.
The government can still wiretap to their black hearts desire, and FISA is still in effect. By the way are you THE Saint Augustine that imitated Christ?
bag of cop porn @ 60
I confess, I'm not. I'm the city, the oldest city in the USA, except when I take on the saint's duty as the patron saint of breweries.
I'm half drunk and verbose right now, do you want to know anything else?
BTW bag of cop porn @ 60
Mr. Chimpy said we should be worried, are you not in fear of the mushroom cloud he said would come unless Congress caved in and gave the telecoms immunity?
I've opened number 8 and I'm more sleepy than scared and I have a message for Der Chimpster, fuck off mein herr. I agree with Olbermann, Bush is a fascist. Yea, though I live under the shadow of Cheney and Bush, I shall fear no evil, for they are idiots and can do me no harm that I can't handle.
59 Saint Augustine
Montgomery Ward is now an upscale office building.
I was born at what was then Women's Hospital at Laffayette and John streets. For a brief few months i lived on St. paul Street somewhere south of Mount Royal. Then for six years on Bolton and McMechen Streets. Then Laffayette and Mount Royal, 28th and Calvert, Argonne and the Alemeda, Old York and 41st, Mount Royal and North Ave, 26th and St. Paul. then i went to Massachussetss for a couple of years. When i came back i went to DC for a bit. Then up to Boston for two years.
Man io moved around, that gets me up to about 1983.
63 xoites defends Constitution
Well I knew there was something about you that I liked. I was also born at Women's Hospital!!!
I found a picture of the hospital on the net and downloaded a copy. I'll look for it in my VAST collection of jpegs and see if I can find the link and let you know in a day or two or three, if we're still here after midnight. I have found a shit load of pics from the Library of Congress, Maryland Historical Society and Baltimore Museum of Business and Industry websites of Baltimore.
BTW, do you know where the Mason-Dixon line is and why it came about. Since you are a native Marylander I assume you know where it is, but why was it laid out?
64 Saint Augustine Says: 63 xoites defends Constitution
Well I knew there was something about you that I liked. I was also born at Women’s Hospital!!!
I found a picture of the hospital on the net and downloaded a copy. I’ll look for it in my VAST collection of jpegs and see if I can find the link and let you know in a day or two or three, if we’re still here after midnight. I have found a shit load of pics from the Library of Congress, Maryland Historical Society and Baltimore Museum of Business and Industry websites of Baltimore.
BTW, do you know where the Mason-Dixon line is and why it came about. Since you are a native Marylander I assume you know where it is, but why was it laid out?
That is fucking amazing! I have never met anyone who was born there. It is now a nursing home so if we like we can die there too. (Personally i would rather be eaten alive by fire ants than end up in a nursing home.)
The Mason-Dixon line divides Maryland and Pennsylvania but i think it meanders a bit east and west of there if it exists at all. It divides the North from the South.
Was that Paris Hilton and Tinkerbell? Aw, how cute.
65 xoites defends Constitution:
You failed! The line was laid out to settle a boundry dispute between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Mason and Dixon were sent by the King of England 100 years befor the civil war, while MD and PA were still colonies. They also laid out the line dividing Maryland and Delaware and the semi-circular line around Wilmington, Deleware that seperates Delaware from Pennsylvania. Though it did come to represent the dividing line between the north and the south because of the Civil War, that was wrong since Maryland did not succeed from the Union.
I'll send links to info about the line later also, including the small triangular area that is really not in any of the 3 states.
You can have the fire ants, I'd opt for being eaten by a gator.
Midnight and no mushroom cloud!!!
67 Saint Augustine Says: 65 xoites defends Constitution:
You failed!
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Damn! If only that mushroom cloud had occurred, noone would have ever known.
Although Maryland did not secede from the Union when the Union Army marched through Baltimore there was a huge riot on Pratt Street and the reason Maryland did not secede was because Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and locked up the State Legislature.
"No you can't!" have my vote, Mr. Obama.
The NOIVE of the guy, using "Yes We Can," from the Chavez's Farmworkers Union, when he doesn't even have the Latino vote.
BTW, the Latino vote does not seem to exist on this website.
WOW! Didn't think something as bad as Xanadu could be puked out in this day in age, I stand corrected.
I don't think this is going to be a big hit.
"But you CAN go fuck yourself" - Dick Cheney
Obamacan...maybe, maybe not!
Hill Will!
can you declare bankruptcy from credit cards and ARMs and start over again with a clean slate?
No, you can't. Obama sponsored that bill.
wonder what all the wealthy hollywood big wigs (like scarlett johanssen) would say to giving up a piece of their wealth? come on, guys, ,being wealthy is not synonymous with being evil. I'm fiscally conservative and liberally more social. My grandfather died 10 years ago, and the government took 60% of his money in inheritance taxes. He had grown up poor in north carolina but made his way up and started a furniture factory in a smal south carolina town that provided hundreds of jobs. he worked hard for his money, as do I. I'm also a business owner, and I'm proud of the jobs my company provides, including a living wage and decent health care, in the small northern vermont community i live in. Yes, its not fair, but to always just blame the wealthy is wrong. Even as much as I hate Cheney and Bush.
berberry @ 2:
also check out chuck scarborough's use of the "less jobs, more wars"
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/29/more-wars/
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