Fidel Castro Announces Retirement

  BBC

Cuba's ailing leader Fidel Castro has announced he will not return to the presidency, in a letter published by official Communist Party paper, Granma.

"I neither will aspire to, nor will I accept, the position of president of the council of state and commander in chief," he wrote in the letter.

Mr Castro handed over power temporarily to his brother, Raul, in July 2006 when he underwent intestinal surgery.

The 81-year-old has ruled Cuba since leading a communist revolution in 1959. <!-- E SF -->

In December, Mr Castro indicated that he might possibly step down in favour of younger leaders, saying "my primary duty is not to cling to any position".

Soon afterwards, Raul Castro appeared to suggest that his older brother still had an important political role to play, saying the president still had full use of his mental faculties and was being consulted on all important policy issues.

Given his health these last couple of years, this should surprise no one.  It will be interesting to note if the US-Cuba relations should manifestly change without Castro and how supportive the fairly influential Cuban-American community in Florida will be of making even a movement towards diplomatic relations with Cuba.  Steve Clemons at The Washington Note looks at how the presidential candidates are likely to react.

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Nothing will happen untill he dies.

viva la fidel!!!!!!!!!

Let's be honest - considering all the attempts this county has made in trying to assassinate him for the last 50 years, how would relations between the U. S. and Cuba improve with a new leader who's familiar with this history.

WE has a long way to go in restoring trust between us and Cuba, period. I'm just glad he's leaving under his own steam and not by the hand of our government.

Get well soon Fidel!

as bush would say , restore democracy to cuba , so they can resume being amercas casino and whorehouses for the rich gringo pigs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone else think that Castro looks like Willie Nelson in that picture?

viva la willie

Barack Obama, as President can normalize relations with Cuba with or without Castro. It is consistant with what he has stated about being willing to negotiate and he owes none of his soul to the Cuban Exiles in Miami.

Little brother has been running the country for the last 18 months anyway, so nothing has really changed. Kinda like the USofA. The VP has been running this country for the last 7 years.

We like China, we don't like Cuba. Our foreign policy seems determined by where Richard Nixon vacationed 35 years ago.

Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing that this madman isn't threatening my Murican way of life!

that pic looks like it was taken by a webcam

The Cold War is long over. It's well past time to stop using the Cuban people as pawns in that game. Castro should still be put on trial for what he and Che did to people at La Cabaña prison.

Perhaps now some of this illogical insanity in our relations with the island will be ALLOWED to change by the anti-Castro fanatics who've helped warp our policy towards Cuba for the last 40+ years.

The double standard has always chapped my ass. Cuba gets sanctioned to the point of ridiculousness, while China which has an infinitely worse human rights record in Tibet, Darfur, and Burma (not to mention against their own people) gets their butt relentlessly kissed because they're our banker. Our Commie banker. And conservatives are fine with that.

I'm not.

lockean @ 7:

Does anyone else think that Castro looks like Willie Nelson in that picture?

This anyone does.

I doubt much will change any time soon. His brother isn't going to make drastic changes before Fidel dies, just out of respect.

lockean @ 7:

Does anyone else think that Castro looks like Willie Nelson in that picture?

He sure looks a heck of a lot more lucid.

I have been a fan of Fidel since he overthrew that loyal American ally ( of Meyer Lansky) Fulgencio Bautista, however ,under Fidel, the Justice system has never been particularly just. I would hope that anew regime leader would address this nagging and rather serious omission.

Now, can I finally Smoke a cuban cigar?

This is the beginning of the end of the Cuban experiment. Once transition to a more moderate/rightwing government has occured, look for the same type of procedure that occured during the German reuniting; retransfer of land and realestate to the previous owners; mostly exiled Cubans and US companies in this case. The Cubans will be left with doing service to their new masters.

how long will it take for the Miami exiles, especially the rich ones to return to Cuba and re-jump start a Batista style rule again?

peaceful easy feeling @ 14:

The Cold War is long over. It's well past time to stop using the Cuban people as pawns in that game. Castro should still be put on trial for what he and Che did to people at La Cabaña prison.

Ok, but you might be hard pressed to find a judge willing to sit in a courtroom with an exhumed body.

It's almost to the point of hilarious how the US has done everything it can throw at Cuba to get rid of democracy, and still Cuba survives. Fidel rose to power because the people were sick and tired of their nation only doing what the US wanted, just as Iran did the same thing. The US has tried everything short of a massive invasion (although blowing up an airplane with US citizens on board was discussed to great length)....and still this tiny nation of 11 million treats it's citizens better than the US treats it's own considering the circumstances. The US cannot use Fidel as the excuse anymore. Wonder who will be the new "evil communist" in US gov't eyes.

I gotta say, that like Sinatra, Fidel Castro did it his way.

What does it show that Castro outlasted so many American Presidents many of whom tried to topple him and kill him?

Castro is a despotic swine but I find it funny the way that the USA vilifies anyone who doesn't bend over and take it in the ass from Uncle Sam while assasinating Democratically elected officials and installing they're own Dictators. The US Goverment has been the going on about Castro because he overthrew the puppets that Washington had in control of Cuba. This is the same reason they hate Iran, after the US and British goverment removed Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq they installed the Shaw who ruled for 26 years untill THE PEOPLE removed him from power.

The USA is the enemy of Freedom and Democracy.

ConcernedCanuck @ 24:

It's almost to the point of hilarious how the US has done everything it can throw at Cuba to get rid of democracy, and still Cuba survives. Fidel rose to power because the people were sick and tired of their nation only doing what the US wanted, just as Iran did the same thing. The US has tried everything short of a massive invasion (although blowing up an airplane with US citizens on board was discussed to great length)....and still this tiny nation of 11 million treats it's citizens better than the US treats it's own considering the circumstances. The US cannot use Fidel as the excuse anymore. Wonder who will be the new "evil communist" in US gov't eyes.

new zeeland fills the bill ,

john @ 25:

I gotta say, that like Sinatra, Fidel Castro did it his way.

What does it show that Castro outlasted so many American Presidents many of whom tried to topple him and kill him?

Better health care system.

Yeah! They can finally have freedom!*

*read McDonalds

sorry nonny were comeing to getcha!

Vive Fidel! Vive La Revolucion!!

I will pay my respects tonight by waching the brilliant "I Am Cuba"/ "Soy Cuba" dvd, then getting out my war surplus shortwave radio and listen to Radio Habana Cuba afterward. (Let's hope Arnie Coro hasn't resigned!)

Fidel was far from perfect and made many mistakes. But he did many great things, despite enormous obstacles and outside hostility, and was never the monster the United States government made him out to be and brainwashed the public.

Hasn't it been nice to know that when Hillary piously proclaims (read: lies) about "always having been about change," the fact is hubby Bill changed nothing about America-Cuba policy, and our girl Hillary was going to be "all about change" by rubber-stamping the Bush policy and Helms-Burton law. Ni-i-i-i-ice.

Barack Obama released a statement on Castro's resignation:

"Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.

"Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime.

OK Obama. Good thing I'm not American, because you would have just lost my vote. That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you have said up to this point in your Prez run. Future determined by Cubans? How the hell do you think Fidel got into power? So I guess that makes Obama EXACTLY the same as the rest of the candidates.........oh ya.......change, change, change, change

castro so long

there's a famous political cartoon, perhaps by Mike Luckovich, that shows in successive panels American Presidents starting with Kennedy, each uttering some portion of a declaration that they will topple Castro.

Castro retires today a hero in the eyes of his people and in the eyes of many around the world. We, with our ass of a president--elected TWICE!--are embarrassed by our judgment.

“Cuba’s future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime."

What Obama actually meant was:

“Cuba’s future should not be determined by the Cuban people but by an anti-democratic sucessor regime put there by us."

"""Influential Cuban community in South Florida""". Really? Why? We don't go to 'Little Italy' for direction in dealing with Rome and no visits 'China Town' in order to set up a meet with Beijing..so why "influential Cubans" ? I live in North Florida and like most folks in this state we do not consider the South Florida Cuban to be a positive influence. I think presidential candidates might take a look at the "influential Cubans' and ask...where is the beef. Forget 'em.

One of my peeveyest of pet peeves ...
Hopefully one of our Democratic champions will point out what an idiotic and unfortunate policy the Helms Burton act is. THE policy that kept Castro in power lo these past 50 yrs.
When will we learn / really believe that our greatest weapon in our arsenal is not our Navy, Marines or nukes. It's our culture. There should have been a McDonalds on every corner of Havana since 1960. Castro would have been gone by '62.
Well that's what ya get when you let racists and segregationist write foreign policy.
P.S.
There's no con like a neo-con

I've been to Cuba three times in my life (lucky not to be American, eh?). The people there rightfully never blamed/have blamed Castro for the lack of material wealth. They blamed the US. Just like Venezuala, Iran, etc, etc,.....people see through the democracy facade. I hope that maybe, just maybe, now the US sponsored sanctions will be lifted. Let the Cuban exiles (read rich US stooges) stay in Florida. They did nothing to help Cuba. Democracy Bush? Let's see, Cuba has been ruled for decades by one man. The US has had elections where the choices are Corporate stooge 1 or 2. Who is the real democracy?

I always found it amusing -- not to mention dripping with irony -- whenever I heard wingnuts calling Fidel Castro a tyrant out of one side of their mouths, then insisting to us out of the other that wars and Patriot Acts and ducttape are required prescriptions because everybody knows a nation can never be truly free until it is secure from outside threats. Classic double-standard, as has always been the case with American policy toward Cuba, up-to-and-including the filthy imperial policy that keeps Guantanamo Bay securely in American hands.

Great for Castro he deserves a break. He has politically outsmarted and made every every administration look like whining childlike asses. You won my man!

Fidel outlasted them ALL.

ConcernedCanuck @ 32:

Barack Obama released a statement on Castro's resignation:

"Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.

"Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime.

It's as if Obama doesn't WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

OK Obama. Good thing I'm not American, because you would have just lost my vote. That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you have said up to this point in your Prez run. Future determined by Cubans? How the hell do you think Fidel got into power? So I guess that makes Obama EXACTLY the same as the rest of the candidates.........oh ya.......change, change, change, change

Travis @ 42:

ConcernedCanuck @ 32:

Barack Obama released a statement on Castro's resignation:

"Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.

"Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime.

It's as if Obama doesn't WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

OK Obama. Good thing I'm not American, because you would have just lost my vote. That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you have said up to this point in your Prez run. Future determined by Cubans? How the hell do you think Fidel got into power? So I guess that makes Obama EXACTLY the same as the rest of the candidates.........oh ya.......change, change, change, change

It’s as if Obama doesn’t WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

(sorry for the double post)

The U.S. has vilified Castro for nearly half a century mainly because he wouldn't allow them to rape his little nation. The man was far from perfect, not unlike almost all of our Presidents. Hopefully now those crazy ex-Cubans living in South Florida can maybe finally shut up or take their asses back home.

Travis @ 43:

Travis @ 42:

ConcernedCanuck @ 32:

It's as if Obama doesn't WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

OK Obama. Good thing I'm not American, because you would have just lost my vote. That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you have said up to this point in your Prez run. Future determined by Cubans? How the hell do you think Fidel got into power? So I guess that makes Obama EXACTLY the same as the rest of the candidates.........oh ya.......change, change, change, change

It’s as if Obama doesn’t WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

(sorry for the double post)

Sometimes all it takes is one statement to open a persons eyes. That one did it for me. Just another corporate stooge is all Obama is. Too bad. I actually was hoping he really DID represent a change. Go back to sleep Americans. And be sure to do your "democratic" duty and elect one of these slimeballs that will change, change, change. Ya right. Change the corporate money from a red wallet to a blue one.

Is Castro going to star in the Cuban version of Lost?

As in Mark Cuban?

heh... at first glance i thought that was willie nelson...

Here is the BBC World Video of this, in case any of you missed it this morning...

VIDEO
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=4be250ae-2e9c-47ae-a883-a4a68...

Does this mean that I can legally buy Cuban cigars?

I visit Cuba annually in January. I am Canadian.

When I heard the news this morning of Fidel's resignation I was somewhat dismayed by the thought that the US might lift the embargo and allow its citizens to visit Cuba. I'm afraid of this because I'm pretty sure it would drive prices up for travel to Cuba which would mean that the best value for dollar vacation in the Caribbean would be no more.

When they quoted Bush talking about what a great opportunity for democracy I nearly pissed myself laughing. What a moronic hypocrite. What the fuck does George Bush know about democracy? Why does he think any other country in the world would be jealous of the American way of life? He's one of the most corrupt bastards I've ever seen. A year or so ago I was telling my wife that I could imagine Bush coming up with some plan whereby he would get to remain president on into the future. Now I'm starting to read these same thoughts in the blogs here.

Also, 99.9% of the Cubans I've talked with do not feel that they are really suffering. Maybe they're careful not to say anything to foreigners but most of them appear to be genuine. We have had at least 1 Cuban ask us to sponsor him to come to Canada to work for a year but only to earn enough money to go back and purchase a house.

ConcernedCanuck @ 45:

Travis @ 43:

Travis @ 42:

ConcernedCanuck @ 32:

It’s as if Obama doesn’t WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

(sorry for the double post)

Sometimes all it takes is one statement to open a persons eyes. That one did it for me. Just another corporate stooge is all Obama is. Too bad. I actually was hoping he really DID represent a change. Go back to sleep Americans. And be sure to do your "democratic" duty and elect one of these slimeballs that will change, change, change. Ya right. Change the corporate money from a red wallet to a blue one.

You have national health care and we don't. You elected a tool for our fool so you don't have much credibility.

Obama removes the shadow of fear that Americans have been living with since the assassination of Robert Kennedy. You wouldn't understand that. And Obama will get my vote.

The US Corporations are just drooling over the idea of stealing the tobacco and sugar plantations from the Cubans all in the name of Democracy and Freedom.

Cats r Flyfishn @ 51:

ConcernedCanuck @ 45:

Travis @ 43:

Travis @ 42:

It’s as if Obama doesn’t WANT to be the left alternative to Hillary. This is massively depressing.

(sorry for the double post)

Sometimes all it takes is one statement to open a persons eyes. That one did it for me. Just another corporate stooge is all Obama is. Too bad. I actually was hoping he really DID represent a change. Go back to sleep Americans. And be sure to do your "democratic" duty and elect one of these slimeballs that will change, change, change. Ya right. Change the corporate money from a red wallet to a blue one.

You have national health care and we don't. You elected a tool for our fool so you don't have much credibility.

Obama removes the shadow of fear that Americans have been living with since the assassination of Robert Kennedy. You wouldn't understand that. And Obama will get my vote.

Ya ok. Keep drinking the blue koolaid, instead of the red koolaid. Oh and I never voted for Harper, and neither did a majority of Canadians. Changes nothing. We look to our American friends to show us what real political corruption is all about, and you never disappoint. Go ahead. Use that only tool you have in your fake democracy, and vote for the lesser of evils. Don't forget. Change, change, change.

Barack Obama's statement: "Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba's history. Fidel Castro's stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.

"Cuba's future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime. The prompt release of all prisoners of conscience wrongly jailed for standing up for the basic freedoms too long denied to the Cuban people would mark an important break with the past. It's time for these heroes to be released.

"If the Cuban leadership begins opening Cuba to meaningful democratic change, the United States must be prepared to begin taking steps to normalize relations and to ease the embargo of the last five decades. The freedom of the Cuban people is a cause that should bring the Americans together."
Lifting the embargo would be a good thing. You're only concern is money and that it will cost more money to vacation in Cuba. Yeah, you must love the boy Bush.

CC@53 - You just don't get it, do you?

Since you can't vote here, your opinions are meaningless. Explain to me how Harper won the election if the majority of Canadians didn't vote for him? Did your Supreme Court appoint him like the US Supreme Court appointed the boy Bush?

REGIME CHANGE

JDAM pwnage!!

Who's number 1?

We can buy goods made in Viet Nam at Home Depot, but we can't buy Cuban cigars! Where is the sense in that?

Youth prevails in Cuba. Viva Raul! Go kid go!

According to Perez Hilton, Castro's been dead for years. This is news.

Speaking of freedom. I am going to book a trip for 3 to Cuba for this time next year. Us Canucks can do that and you Yanks can't. Kinda says it all.
As far as Harper goes well he is a tool for sure. Concerning how he got elected I would suggest you wiki our last election and see how it played out.
May true freedom come to my American neighbours asap. Obama or Hillary will be a step in the right direction. We love you folks and we just want to see you follow your great constitution for a change.

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

That's a great picture of Castro. He looks satisfied, and he should be. Fortunately his ideals are finally coming to fruition in Central and South America. Capitalism is on it's last legs. Soon we may be trading roles with the cuban people.

Too bad about Obama. I thought for a moment I might actually vote for him. It's clear he is a pandering political whore, just like McCain.

Wouldn't you think now was a good time for some kind of plan to incite the Cubans to have a "Berlin Wall" type of moment?
Where is that plan?
When Castro took ill, Cuba should have been bombarded with propaganda loaded with slogans such as "The time is near", "Freedom is coming", "rise up and be free".

g*d bless.

With freedom and human rights Cuba will finally fall in line with other central american democracies under the auspicious patronage of freedom country #1. After the free market reforms courtesy of america numero uno think tanks it is safe to assume life expectancy will fall about 10-15 years, literacy rates will adjust downward to the regional golden average of 50-70%. Plus, commmunist Cuba has way too many doctors, that ain't no free market. Slash the number of doctors by 80% to catch up with the pro-western, pro-freedom neighborhood, that's to only way Cuba will maintain the competitive edge in the Free world...

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Nice attitude, I'm Canadian and ConcernedCanuck@53 shares my feeling's about your political system as well as our own up here. But I thank holy christ every day that I don't live in the USA. Besides Universal Healthcare we also have the benifit of a political system that, although appoints asswipes like Harper once in a while, is based on the British model and would never let our leaders get away with the mindblowing shit that goes on in the Bush Administration. Just look at Tony Blair. I lived in Scotland when he was elected and people we're cheering in the street's. But he hitched his wagon to Captain Codpiece and the British public handed him his ass.

You ask any Canadian and they will tell you that they have pride in their country but we don't drink the political kool-aid when we know we're getting fucked in the ass. Bush gets away, literally, with murder because he calls people unpatriotic when they question his corrupt Administration for all of the evil shit they have done. That wouldn't wash here for one fucking second and we'd have Harpers head on a pike if he tried to pull the same shit as The Chimp. The problem is that you are all so blinded by the myth of what America is instead of seeing it's true nature. A politician just has to wave the flag or a bible and people will drop to they're knee's instead of using they're common sense.

Your political system is the problem and needs a major overhaul but that won't happen because the corporations would lose control. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and all they care about it money, power and serving the richest 1%. It's completely fucked that you have that stoopid two tier system that says the public's vote means nothing because the Delegete's and Super-delegets are the ones that pick who wins. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DEMOCRATIC?

Cats r Flyfishn @ 55:

CC@53 - You just don't get it, do you?

Since you can't vote here, your opinions are meaningless. Explain to me how Harper won the election if the majority of Canadians didn't vote for him? Did your Supreme Court appoint him like the US Supreme Court appointed the boy Bush?

Harper won with less than 35% of the popular vote. You don't grasp that, cuz your elections are stolen I guess. My opinions are far from meaningless and only a near-sighted ignoramus would consider that to even be worth typing. EVERYONE you select and EVERYTHING you do, affects the entire world. Just doesn't affect you, because hey, you gots McD's and your made in Japan games, and that nice lil' SUV in the driveway. Perhaps ONCE in your lives, Americans should actually take their fingers out of their damn ears and LISTEN to others in the world. You know, the ones your gov't continues to fuck over. You know, like Cubans. Iraqis. Afghans. Canadians. South Americans. Europeans. You know, the people you told to go to hell as Bush and Powell were lying, and everyone knew it?

Vuntz I had a kendy store
Bizniss vas so bad
I asked mein vife vat to do
And dis is vat she said:
Take yourself some kerosene
Pour it on de floor
Take a match
Give a scratch
No more kendy store…HEY!

fwffavvg @ 66:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Nice attitude, I'm Canadian and ConcernedCanuck@53 shares my feeling's about your political system as well as our own up here. But I thank holy christ every day that I don't live in the USA. Besides Universal Healthcare we also have the benifit of a political system that, although appoints asswipes like Harper once in a while, is based on the British model and would never let our leaders get away with the mindblowing shit that goes on in the Bush Administration. Just look at Tony Blair. I lived in Scotland when he was elected and people we're cheering in the street's. But he hitched his wagon to Captain Codpiece and the British public handed him his ass.

You ask any Canadian and they will tell you that they have pride in their country but we don't drink the political kool-aid when we know we're getting fucked in the ass. Bush gets away, literally, with murder because he calls people unpatriotic when they question his corrupt Administration for all of the evil shit they have done. That wouldn't wash here for one fucking second and we'd have Harpers head on a pike if he tried to pull the same shit as The Chimp. The problem is that you are all so blinded by the myth of what America is instead of seeing it's true nature. A politician just has to wave the flag or a bible and people will drop to they're knee's instead of using they're common sense.

Your political system is the problem and needs a major overhaul but that won't happen because the corporations would lose control. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and all they care about it money, power and serving the richest 1%. It's completely fucked that you have that stoopid two tier system that says the public's vote means nothing because the Delegete's and Super-delegets are the ones that pick who wins. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DEMOCRATIC?

Every four years we hear the exact same thing from the US electorate. This time it's different. This time there will be change. This time we will make sure the right people are in power. This time, this time, this time........ad nauseum. Nothing changes. Oh you get a Prez with a D beside his/or her name instead of an R. Yep there's some change for you. Oh you say, change comes slowly from the inside. Uh huh. And how many years has that been working out? Sigh. But that's OK. Tell the world to piss off and mind their own business (once again) and we will clean up the shit your elected leaders shovel (once again)......do you not ever get tired of it?

NOW can the US stop this destructive nonsense of embargo?

Here's the money line from Bush.

President Bush said Tuesday that the resignation of Fidel Castro “ought to be a period of democratic transition” for Cuba, and said the country must hold free and fair elections to pick a successor after half a century of Communist rule.

“And I mean free and I mean fair,” Mr. Bush added, “not these kind of staged elections that the Castro brothers try to foist off as true democracy.”

So, only the Bush brothers can fix elections?

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Nice to see some good Canada bashing going on here.
For the people that are forgivably ignorant of the Canadian political system, the only people that elected Harper were the people of Calgary southwest (Harper's riding) and conservative party delegates. There are approximately 80000 electors in that region of Calgary (Thanks wikipedia).
Canada runs on the party system so if the delegates elect him to lead his party, and his party wins the election, he has the job. We have no presidential elections so you can't just go and criticize someone for electing Harper.
The Conservatives got put in power with something like 35% of the vote because some Liberals stole some money and got caught. For those of you that already know this, "Good on you! eh?"

On the Cuba note, I'd like to second the opinion that I hope the US remains at odds with them. It's given Canada a chance to actually build a relationship with Cuba, as evidenced by the foreign aid, tourism industry etc

If Cuba cleans up a bit on the human rights front, they should be able to pursue their own political destiny without outside interference.

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

From the looks of him he's almost at the age to be a Republican in the U.S. He'll probably retire to Miami and start bitching about his taxes.

bobaloo @ 72:

let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

And capitalism is perfect!

United Fruit Company owned 98% of that island before the Granma landed. Batista was a genuinely corrupt tyrant and thug. The Cuban people were overwhelmingly illiterate and only the elite privileged few had access to health care. That's all changed. They are a poor people, yes, but educated and healthy. Sadly, the United States has engaged in a Cold War with them for fifty years, and the people in both nations have been brainwashed. America loves a boogeyman as much as the next guy, and maybe more than the next guy.

Left&Left @ 74:

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

Assuming Canadians just happen to have hockey pucks qualifies as a pretty annoying generalization. I have about 30 in my garage but NONE ON MY PERSON DAMNIT!!!

leo drongo @ 76:

bobaloo @ 72:

let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

And capitalism is perfect!

United Fruit Company owned 98% of that island before the Granma landed. Batista was a genuinely corrupt tyrant and thug. The Cuban people were overwhelmingly illiterate and only the elite privileged few had access to health care. That's all changed. They are a poor people, yes, but educated and healthy. Sadly, the United States has engaged in a Cold War with them for fifty years, and the people in both nations have been brainwashed. America loves a boogeyman as much as the next guy, and maybe more than the next guy.

China welcomes you!
Seriously, I didn't say capitalism and free markets were perfect. But I'd rather do without bread lines and purges, thanks.

RD @ 77:

Left&Left @ 74:

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

Assuming Canadians just happen to have hockey pucks qualifies as a pretty annoying generalization. I have about 30 in my garage but NONE ON MY PERSON DAMNIT!!!

Thirty hockey pucks in your garage? How do you have room for all your guns and Bibles?

Oh wait, that's us

I was an exchange student in Cuba. I met many bright young educated students at University of Havana who were from Haiti, Trindad, Dominican Republic -- all democratic nations -- and to a man and woman, they all claimed Cuba was not pefect by a long stretch, but that it was miles ahead of their homelands as far as education, medical care and security. Yeah, sure, they were all brainwashed communists. But I think there was more than a small element of truth in what they were saying.

bobaloo @ 78:

leo drongo @ 76:

bobaloo @ 72:

let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

And capitalism is perfect!

United Fruit Company owned 98% of that island before the Granma landed. Batista was a genuinely corrupt tyrant and thug. The Cuban people were overwhelmingly illiterate and only the elite privileged few had access to health care. That's all changed. They are a poor people, yes, but educated and healthy. Sadly, the United States has engaged in a Cold War with them for fifty years, and the people in both nations have been brainwashed. America loves a boogeyman as much as the next guy, and maybe more than the next guy.

China welcomes you!
.

China rolls out the mat for everybody. Even U.S. bankers and Wall Street super-corporations. It's a capitalist fact. When it comes to United States foreign policy, it's also a capitalist double-standard.

Rusty Shackleford @ 79:

RD @ 77:

Left&Left @ 74:

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:
Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

Assuming Canadians just happen to have hockey pucks qualifies as a pretty annoying generalization. I have about 30 in my garage but NONE ON MY PERSON DAMNIT!!!

Thirty hockey pucks in your garage? How do you have room for all your guns and Bibles?

Oh wait, that's us

How do you guys still have garages for your guns and bibles? I thought the banks foreclosed everyone down there?

Cats r Flyfishn @ 55:

CC@53 - You just don't get it, do you?

Since you can't vote here, your opinions are meaningless. Explain to me how Harper won the election if the majority of Canadians didn't vote for him? Did your Supreme Court appoint him like the US Supreme Court appointed the boy Bush?

Wait a minute - since he can't vote here, his opinion is meaningless??!! That's a dumb statement. His opinion is just as valid as anyone else's regardless of nationality.

RD @ 82:

Rusty Shackleford @ 79:

RD @ 77:

Left&Left @ 74:
Assuming Canadians just happen to have hockey pucks qualifies as a pretty annoying generalization. I have about 30 in my garage but NONE ON MY PERSON DAMNIT!!!

Thirty hockey pucks in your garage? How do you have room for all your guns and Bibles?

Oh wait, that's us

How do you guys still have garages for your guns and bibles? I thought the banks foreclosed everyone down there?

The garage is ALL I have.

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Right on ConcernedCanuck@53, the USA acts as though they own the whole fucking world! Funny how they want to spread "Freedom and Democracy" only to countries that have resources they want and can't steal or bully into handing over while assasinating DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders and installing they're own Dictators.

Castro told them to fuck off and the USA has talked shit about him for over 40 years, tried to kill him and invade his country. That doesn't mean he's not a scumbag but the fact is when he took over Cubans wanted change because they were being used by American Corporate interests. Castro might not have been the best alternative but at least his country's I.Q. level isn't slipping every day with a steady diet of American Idol and he has also made Healthcare and Education a priority. Your country has spent, what, 500 billion on a war started on false pretenses but you can't take care of your sick or educate you're children while you're corrupt system allows a complete and utter fucking pathetic excuse of a human being to become it's leader.

US politicians see the US Treasury as a giant piggybank ready to rob whenever they want. That's why they start wars with everyone because they have to have a reason to put money into the pockets of weapons manufacturers. It's also the reason they put into your thick fucking skulls from birth that the USA is the Greatest Country on Earth and everyone else hates you because "of your freedom" when the real reason is that you cunts go around dropping bombs on people fucking homes and killing they're families. Try doing that shit to Canada, I fucking DARE you to because I'd love to see 30 million pissed off Canuck's marching to Washington to burn down the White House for the THIRD TIME!

Sorry that I'm ranting but it crushes me that the USA is becoming a Banana Republic because of the apathy of it's citizens and voting for Hillary or Obama won't change a fucking thing. You are all being conned into believing that any of you have a real say about the course of your country anymore, you don't. You have no choice except for the illusion that the corporations give you and untill you wake up you will forever be slaves.

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:

Rusty Shackleford @ 79:

RD @ 77:
Thirty hockey pucks in your garage? How do you have room for all your guns and Bibles?

Oh wait, that's us

How do you guys still have garages for your guns and bibles? I thought the banks foreclosed everyone down there?

The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

Left&Left @ 74:

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

Nice. And you have the nerve to call Repubs evil corrupt bastards, and you post like this? Apparently, you don't grasp how well you have proven my points. I don't have to generalize, you just did it for me. I am glad you work out 6 days a week. Some of us work hard enough to be too tired to do that. But then, the American dream and all that. LOL! You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too funny.

We are LONG overdue for a major change in our relations with Cuba and maybe Fidel stepping down and an Obama win in November will bring this about.

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:

Rusty Shackleford @ 79:
How do you guys still have garages for your guns and bibles? I thought the banks foreclosed everyone down there?

The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

Acquire them, and you will feel a warm sense of America-love begin to numb your brain...

Then you will buy a big-ass SUV for no reason...

Join us...

An era has passed, although it won't truly depart until Fidel's snug in his grave.

A year and a half ago, Bush said something that was lapped up like cream by the Cuban expat community but should have sent a cold chill down the spine of every Cuban living in Cuba: "We stand ready to help."

Judging by the standard of 'our help,' I doubt they want any part of us.

Still, you have to admire the old thug's tenacity; 49 years and Cthulhu only knows how many assassination attempts.

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:

Rusty Shackleford @ 79:
How do you guys still have garages for your guns and bibles? I thought the banks foreclosed everyone down there?

The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:
The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

It's nice to see that YOU don't hate Americans.

bobaloo ,

El Salvador, Haiti, hell, the entire developing world welcomes you. There is a finite amount of resources in the world and the consumption of resources by countries like ours makes it so that poverty is guaranteed elsewhere. Capitalism has "worked" for countries like ours, it also explains the poverty of the countries in which the resources we consume emerges. It further explains why this government and similar governments freak out when a government comes to power that tries to prioritize their citizens, and not Western investors, by taking in more benefit from their own countries resources. Their resources are OURS to consume for our luxuries, how dare they! See what happens when countries follow Cuba's and Venezuela's path and control their resources for their own use. We'll see how much capitalism "works" then. It's already a financial deck of cards with a dwindling resource base. Soon, they'll be a growing economy, a growing monetary base and financial markets and less and less to buy it with. Also, if you can spot a country in recent times that works as the "free market" is supposed to, and is implementing the policies with the consent of the country they're in, let me know. “Free markets” aren’t just un-perfect, they don’t exist, outside of economics departments in universities.

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:
The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

MR. Hockey Night. Yes I do generalize, but I don't mean it or believe it. At least I'm honest. When you call Obama supporters "kool-aid drinkers" without maybe respecting the fact that the Senator may be the best for OUR nation, then you deserve a little bounce back.

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:
You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

Stolen under NAFTA you mean ............

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is
bad.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm kay .......... go read a book

Xenudo @ 70:

NOW can the US stop this destructive nonsense of embargo?

Not if it means the place gets swapmed with americons and cooperate americon, no I defiantly hope not.

peaceful easy feeling @ 14:

The Cold War is long over. It's well past time to stop using the Cuban people as pawns in that game. Castro should still be put on trial for what he and Che did to people at La Cabaña prison.

As soon as Bush is in the Hague answering for his crimes.

xoites defends Constitution @ 9:

Barack Obama, as President can normalize relations with Cuba with or without Castro. It is consistant with what he has stated about being willing to negotiate and he owes none of his soul to the Cuban Exiles in Miami.

I hope not, the one reason I like going on holiday in Cuba is because there are no loud arrogant fat annoying americons there, spoiling the place.

fwffavvg@66 ...... Dam right, I'm not Canadian, but I live there at the moment travelling the world, couldn't agree more.

ConcernedCanuck @ 69:

fwffavvg @ 66:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Nice attitude, I'm Canadian and ConcernedCanuck@53 shares my feeling's about your political system as well as our own up here. But I thank holy christ every day that I don't live in the USA. Besides Universal Healthcare we also have the benifit of a political system that, although appoints asswipes like Harper once in a while, is based on the British model and would never let our leaders get away with the mindblowing shit that goes on in the Bush Administration. Just look at Tony Blair. I lived in Scotland when he was elected and people we're cheering in the street's. But he hitched his wagon to Captain Codpiece and the British public handed him his ass.

You ask any Canadian and they will tell you that they have pride in their country but we don't drink the political kool-aid when we know we're getting fucked in the ass. Bush gets away, literally, with murder because he calls people unpatriotic when they question his corrupt Administration for all of the evil shit they have done. That wouldn't wash here for one fucking second and we'd have Harpers head on a pike if he tried to pull the same shit as The Chimp. The problem is that you are all so blinded by the myth of what America is instead of seeing it's true nature. A politician just has to wave the flag or a bible and people will drop to they're knee's instead of using they're common sense.

Your political system is the problem and needs a major overhaul but that won't happen because the corporations would lose control. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and all they care about it money, power and serving the richest 1%. It's completely fucked that you have that stoopid two tier system that says the public's vote means nothing because the Delegete's and Super-delegets are the ones that pick who wins. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DEMOCRATIC?

Every four years we hear the exact same thing from the US electorate. This time it's different. This time there will be change. This time we will make sure the right people are in power. This time, this time, this time........ad nauseum. Nothing changes. Oh you get a Prez with a D beside his/or her name instead of an R. Yep there's some change for you. Oh you say, change comes slowly from the inside. Uh huh. And how many years has that been working out? Sigh. But that's OK. Tell the world to piss off and mind their own business (once again) and we will clean up the shit your elected leaders shovel (once again)......do you not ever get tired of it?

Your right, there is NEVER any change. The US political system is a con, a shell game designed to sucker people and I don't think they ever get tired of it because they're attention spans are soo short. I live in Canada and have a better understanding of Amercan politic's and even American history then the average US citizen. I'll sum up the bulk of Americans as people who don't give a shit about anything as long as it doesn't hit them in they're wallets. War, public healthcare, education, political corruption etc, etc...these thing's don't concern them but you raise gas prices and then they'll start screaming.

Let me ask you something ConcernedCanuck@53, don't you find it absolutely perplexing as to the behavior of people like Limbaugh, O Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Malkin, Stossel etc, etc.. and why on Earth would any sensible human being pay any attention to any of these fucking idiot's? I've watched and listened to them and all they promote is fear and hate against anyone that is different from them and do nothing but lie ALL THE TIME! And yet there are tens of millions of people who listen to them, watch FOX News and believe every word. Doesn't it make you're head spin at how willfully ignorant a large part of the American public is?

Left&Left @ 93:

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:
I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

MR. Hockey Night. Yes I do generalize, but I don't mean it or believe it. At least I'm honest. When you call Obama supporters "kool-aid drinkers" without maybe respecting the fact that the Senator may be the best for OUR nation, then you deserve a little bounce back.

Yes I do deserve a little bounce back. I agree. I also know the entire world is telling you that if this is the best you can do out of 300 million people, you's in trouble. You respond by telling people to go to hell and mind their own business. That my friend, is drinking the koolaid, even though you don't want to admit it. Deep down, you prob are a decent person stuck in the same shit as the rest of the world. But please stop telling everyone to mind their own business, when it is their business. Got intelligent advice for Canada? Sure I'll listen and prob agree. But don't do like the Bush Regime and give the finger to anyone. You know we are just trying to help.

fwffavvg @ 95:

ConcernedCanuck @ 69:

fwffavvg @ 66:

Left&Left @ 61:

Nice attitude, I'm Canadian and ConcernedCanuck@53 shares my feeling's about your political system as well as our own up here. But I thank holy christ every day that I don't live in the USA. Besides Universal Healthcare we also have the benifit of a political system that, although appoints asswipes like Harper once in a while, is based on the British model and would never let our leaders get away with the mindblowing shit that goes on in the Bush Administration. Just look at Tony Blair. I lived in Scotland when he was elected and people we're cheering in the street's. But he hitched his wagon to Captain Codpiece and the British public handed him his ass.

You ask any Canadian and they will tell you that they have pride in their country but we don't drink the political kool-aid when we know we're getting fucked in the ass. Bush gets away, literally, with murder because he calls people unpatriotic when they question his corrupt Administration for all of the evil shit they have done. That wouldn't wash here for one fucking second and we'd have Harpers head on a pike if he tried to pull the same shit as The Chimp. The problem is that you are all so blinded by the myth of what America is instead of seeing it's true nature. A politician just has to wave the flag or a bible and people will drop to they're knee's instead of using they're common sense.

Your political system is the problem and needs a major overhaul but that won't happen because the corporations would lose control. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and all they care about it money, power and serving the richest 1%. It's completely fucked that you have that stoopid two tier system that says the public's vote means nothing because the Delegete's and Super-delegets are the ones that pick who wins. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT DEMOCRATIC?

Every four years we hear the exact same thing from the US electorate. This time it's different. This time there will be change. This time we will make sure the right people are in power. This time, this time, this time........ad nauseum. Nothing changes. Oh you get a Prez with a D beside his/or her name instead of an R. Yep there's some change for you. Oh you say, change comes slowly from the inside. Uh huh. And how many years has that been working out? Sigh. But that's OK. Tell the world to piss off and mind their own business (once again) and we will clean up the shit your elected leaders shovel (once again)......do you not ever get tired of it?

Your right, there is NEVER any change. The US political system is a con, a shell game designed to sucker people and I don't think they ever get tired of it because they're attention spans are soo short. I live in Canada and have a better understanding of Amercan politic's and even American history then the average US citizen. I'll sum up the bulk of Americans as people who don't give a shit about anything as long as it doesn't hit them in they're wallets. War, public healthcare, education, political corruption etc, etc...these thing's don't concern them but you raise gas prices and then they'll start screaming.

Let me ask you something ConcernedCanuck@53, don't you find it absolutely perplexing as to the behavior of people like Limbaugh, O Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Malkin, Stossel etc, etc.. and why on Earth would any sensible human being pay any attention to any of these fucking idiot's? I've watched and listened to them and all they promote is fear and hate against anyone that is different from them and do nothing but lie ALL THE TIME! And yet there are tens of millions of people who listen to them, watch FOX News and believe every word. Doesn't it make you're head spin at how willfully ignorant a large part of the American public is?

Yep. It's called blind patriotism. I realize that Canada is not my nation. It's the rich elite's nation and I'm allowed to live here to make them richer. Americans, though professing to know this, don't. They've been brainwashed to wave the flag and goosestep to America the Beautiful, and ignore everyone else. People were afraid of that evil Communism? What pray tell, is it that America stands for? Sure as hell isn't democracy.

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Yes, communism is bad, I won't disagree with you in any way, shape or form and I do believe in a FAIR capitalist society but we know that doesn't really exist today, does it? But I love the fact that he was able to stand up to decades of US Imperialism. Good thing he never had Iraq's oil reserves or the US would have found another excuse to invade Cuba decades ago.

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:

RD @ 82:
The garage is ALL I have.

I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

Left&Left @ 74:

ConcernedCanuck @ 65:

Left&Left @ 61:

ConcernedCanuck@53 Let me understand you Canuck. Because of a statement by Obama you don't care for he won't get your nonexistent vote? I've been voting since 1988 and I have never voted for a candidate who I agreed with all of his/her positions. Obama simply has way less negatives than any of the contenders. Just take your hockey puck and go home.

Uh huh. Exactly like I said. Vote for the lesser of the evils. You just agreed with me. Take my puck and go home? Take yer tanks and go home. I don't understand American anger at the world. If anything you people are just goddamn lucky the entire globe hasn't invaded and killed off your entire political system. Your government has been raping and pillaging nations for decades while you all sat idly by, eating your Big Macs and playing your video games that were made in Asia. And finally, SOME of you wake up and realize..Holy crap, our gov't is crap, and then get mad at the world like it's our fault. Go back to sleep and let the world know when you are finally tired of allowing your government to kill and steal.

Maybe to you hockey boy I should vote for the GREATER of two evils. Thanks for the history lesson on the aggressive imperialism that the U.S. has waged on weaker countries. I agree that this nation's global history is horrible. That is why I believe we must do something radical even if it may ultimately fail. To me Obama appears to have the best potential for a new direction. I may be wrong about him but I certainly feel McCain and Hillary offer NO change at all. One more thing dope, I work out 6 days a week and I don't eat junk food or play video games. So generalize with another candidate. I will have a few beers though. I developed this practice hanging out in Toronto's bars a few years ago and seeing the selection of moose--- I mean women to chose from up there

When American's ask me about our politics I tell them that our leaders are elected based on who can make the best ice sculpture with a chainsaw and I swear to God I've had two or three say "REALLY"?!?!

Xenudo @ 70:

NOW can the US stop this destructive nonsense of embargo?

The embargo has been nothing but sour grapes, really.

"We couldn't kill you, so we won't play with you..."

ConcernedCanuck @ 96:

Left&Left @ 93:

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

MR. Hockey Night. Yes I do generalize, but I don't mean it or believe it. At least I'm honest. When you call Obama supporters "kool-aid drinkers" without maybe respecting the fact that the Senator may be the best for OUR nation, then you deserve a little bounce back.

Yes I do deserve a little bounce back. I agree. I also know the entire world is telling you that if this is the best you can do out of 300 million people, you's in trouble. You respond by telling people to go to hell and mind their own business. That my friend, is drinking the koolaid, even though you don't want to admit it. Deep down, you prob are a decent person stuck in the same shit as the rest of the world. But please stop telling everyone to mind their own business, when it is their business. Got intelligent advice for Canada? Sure I'll listen and prob agree. But don't do like the Bush Regime and give the finger to anyone. You know we are just trying to help.

Despite what the "fake christians" are trying to do to our nation, this is still a democracy....I think. Obama has played by the rules and has positioned himself to be the Dems rep. Like him or dislike on this or that issue if you want, he must be doing something right..... Oopps I forgot, were all stupid kool-aid drinkers.

Fun to see a discussion of Cuba degenerating into Canadabashing.

Now again; how did the US army end up in Iraq? It seems like a US trait to end up bashing the wrong country... :)

Rusty Shackleford @ 91:

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

Rusty Shackleford @ 84:
I don't own a garage, gun or a bible. Why do I hate America?

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

It's nice to see that YOU don't hate Americans.

Despite my rants I don't hate Americans, what I hate is this attitude that the USA is the end all be all of civilization while the country is falling behind virtually evey industrialized nation in almost every department. Lewis Black described it best when he compared American's to "working in an office and having an obnoxious asshole going around saying I'M FUCKING GREAT AND THE REST OF YOU WOULD DIE WITHOUT ME HAHAHA!!!".

I want a better tomorrow for the USA, I really do, but voting for Hillary or Obama won't change anything and McCain will just make it worse.

How are things gonna change?

He's handing over power to his kid brother

Someone in his late 70's instead of 80's.

fwffavvg @ 105:

Rusty Shackleford @ 91:

ConcernedCanuck @ 90:

Left&Left @ 85:

You don't hate America. You hate everyone else, BUT America. Especially those evil maple syrup eatin, hockey playin, snow skiin' eskimos north of the border. You know the ones that export you oil, water, lumber, food, etc, etc........oh wait all they do is play hockey, how would they have any of that stuff in their frozen tundra. Hey, true story. Last summer on my way home from work, an American vehicle was at the same gas station with skis on the roofrack of his SUV. He asked me where all the snow was. I said, head south you'll find it. And away he went. Unbelievable that someone could live that close and still be so dense.

It's nice to see that YOU don't hate Americans.

Despite my rants I don't hate Americans, what I hate is this attitude that the USA is the end all be all of civilization while the country is falling behind virtually evey industrialized nation in almost every department. Lewis Black described it best when he compared American's to "working in an office and having an obnoxious asshole going around saying I'M FUCKING GREAT AND THE REST OF YOU WOULD DIE WITHOUT ME HAHAHA!!!".

I want a better tomorrow for the USA, I really do, but voting for Hillary or Obama won't change anything and McCain will just make it worse.

Living outside the USA looking inward, as many Americans living abroad do, we find Lewis Black's analoy to be spot on....it hurts most because it is indeed true.

Greup @ 104:

Fun to see a discussion of Cuba degenerating into Canadabashing.

Now again; how did the US army end up in Iraq? It seems like a US trait to end up bashing the wrong country... :)

If boosh was in charge when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, in retaliation he would've attacked Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EonjqFPKVU

Castro, like him or not, was the reason Cuba did not end up getting screwed by the US like other similar countries.
If it went the way the US wants, Cuban rum and cigars will only be such in name as the US megacorps will come in, buy up everything to get the brand names, run the comps into the ground and leave again.

The country will be back to the days pre-Castro when the mob ruled.

fwffavvg @ 84:

Sorry that I'm ranting but it crushes me that the USA is becoming a Banana Republic because of the apathy of it's citizens and voting for Hillary or Obama won't change a fucking thing. You are all being conned into believing that any of you have a real say about the course of your country anymore, you don't. You have no choice except for the illusion that the corporations give you and untill you wake up you will forever be slaves.

I appreciate your point of view on this but what do you propose be done aside from voting in a more moderate president? Personally, I think getting out to vote is a way to curb this apathy.

I'll miss his seven hour speeches.

Interesting how Florida will play out if Fidel dies before 2008. The Rethugs won't have the Castro boogeyman to whip up those Florida Cubans. Even Fidel doesn't die he's stepped down so this couple with the new and improved xenophobia of today's GOP alienating latinos in droves could mean a Florida cake walk for the Dems this year.

Ruthless People @ 111:

Interesting how Florida will play out if Fidel dies before 2008. The Rethugs won't have the Castro boogeyman to whip up those Florida Cubans. Even Fidel doesn't die he's stepped down so this couple with the new and improved xenophobia of today's GOP alienating latinos in droves could mean a Florida cake walk for the Dems this year.

...I mean if he dies in 2008..

Fil @ 21:

how long will it take for the Miami exiles, especially the rich ones to return to Cuba and re-jump start a Batista style rule again?

Who cares? Let them go! They can take their preferred immigrant status with them as well.

Castro:
"Manifest Destiny = Defeat in My set"
Viva Cuba.

No group of immigrants since the violently aggressive original settlers have acted with a sense of entitlement like the Florida ex-Cubans. During the Elian Gonzalez fiasco the protest got so bad against the Ex-Cubans that the REDNECKS and the BROTHERS actually bonded together in objection. On CNN, I saw a black man holding up a confederate flag during the demonstration. Unbelievable.

I love how Neo-Cons will travel abroad to smoke Cuban Cigars, but still support the embargo against Cuba...

Hypocrisy is law when you're a NeoCon

ignorant Canada bashing going on here.
Harper's election has nothing to do with the rise of conservatisme, Canada is just as Liberal today as it was 3 years ago.

These are the reasons why Harper won in 2006.

-Sponsorship Scandal was most impactfull in Quebec (2nd biggest province), and the arrosion of the Liberals was most significant in Quebeec. Quebec was in the past known to be a Liberal stronghold, even Jean Chreiten manage three consecutive majorities in the past. The Sponsorship Scandal gave the Bloc bigger standing and let the Conservatives make gains in rural riding.

-13 year of Liberal rule lead to incumbant fatigue, and they got arrogant. Paul Martin was no Jean Chretien.

-Paul Martin won his 1st minority previously on a Fear Campain about the Conservatives being Evil. The 2nd time around in 2006 it did not work. Paul Martil tried the scare fear tactics again, it backfired.

So....... all you people saying Canada is stupid for electing Conservatives, you don`t know what you talking about. The Liberals defeated themselves in 2006.

I wonder what the Christmas song "Holly Jolly Christmas" sounds like in Spanish?

Fil @ 117:

ignorant Canada bashing going on here.
Harper's election has nothing to do with the rise of conservatisme, Canada is just as Liberal today as it was 3 years ago.

These are the reasons why Harper won in 2006.

-Sponsorship Scandal was most impactfull in Quebec (2nd biggest province), and the arrosion of the Liberals was most significant in Quebeec. Quebec was in the past known to be a Liberal stronghold, even Jean Chreiten manage three consecutive majorities in the past. The Sponsorship Scandal gave the Bloc bigger standing and let the Conservatives make gains in rural riding.

-13 year of Liberal rule lead to incumbant fatigue, and they got arrogant. Paul Martin was no Jean Chretien.

-Paul Martin won his 1st minority previously on a Fear Campain about the Conservatives being Evil. The 2nd time around in 2006 it did not work. Paul Martil tried the scare fear tactics again, it backfired.

So....... all you people saying Canada is stupid for electing Conservatives, you don`t know what you talking about. The Liberals defeated themselves in 2006.

Wow. What an unorthodox rationale. " The Conservatives didn't win, we Liberals defeated ourselves".....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fil @ 117:

ignorant Canada bashing going on here.
Harper's election has nothing to do with the rise of conservatisme, Canada is just as Liberal today as it was 3 years ago.

These are the reasons why Harper won in 2006.

-Sponsorship Scandal was most impactfull in Quebec (2nd biggest province), and the arrosion of the Liberals was most significant in Quebeec. Quebec was in the past known to be a Liberal stronghold, even Jean Chreiten manage three consecutive majorities in the past. The Sponsorship Scandal gave the Bloc bigger standing and let the Conservatives make gains in rural riding.

-13 year of Liberal rule lead to incumbant fatigue, and they got arrogant. Paul Martin was no Jean Chretien.

-Paul Martin won his 1st minority previously on a Fear Campain about the Conservatives being Evil. The 2nd time around in 2006 it did not work. Paul Martil tried the scare fear tactics again, it backfired.

So....... all you people saying Canada is stupid for electing Conservatives, you don`t know what you talking about. The Liberals defeated themselves in 2006.

Agreed with most of this but as a Quebec resident, I'd like to point some things out.
1) The bloc made no significant gain in the 2006 election in Quebec. (54 seats in 2004, 51 in 2006) They actually lost ground thanks to the conservatives picking up the rural vote and taking Quebec city and it's regions.

2) I actually think Canadians are on a slight conservative shift. I mean, these things have to run in cycles. Canada recognized gay marriage, decriminalized marijuana possession, refused to go fight in Iraq, raised the maternity leave to 50 weeks (in Quebec), etc etc. It's time for the conservatives to come in, suck up to Bushco, reduce taxes and get booted from office in time for a strong Liberal leader (who isn't Stephane Dion).

The Sponsorship Scandal was a recipe for disaster if the Liberals would of been re-elected in 2006

Support for Quebec seperation always rises when the Federal does something to piss Quebec nationalists off.

The Conservative win in 2006 was needed to calm tensions down and it actually helped reduced support for seperation to a big time low.

I voted Conservative in 2006 not because I am a right winger (I am not), I voted Conservative to prevent a 3rd Referendum from being triggered if the Liberals would of been re-elected.

I did the right thing, and I would do it again.

Unity is more important than Left or Right.

What I want to know is whether the official Communist Party paper "Granma" is related to popular American left-wing rag, "Mother Jones"? Apparently they live in the same "neighborhood" of revolutionary thought. But does it go deeper than that? Do they shop the same market? Play cards 'til all hours? Are they, in fact, mother and daughter...as well as grandmother and mother to an ultra-secret, stateside, Marxist cell?

Verdillac @ 106: Living outside the USA looking inward, as many Americans living abroad do, we find Lewis Black's analoy to be spot on....it hurts most because it is indeed true.

That's what it's like being in the civilised world with americons infesting it as well; it would be nice if about 99.99% of them were deported back home to deal with the mess that is their country.

fwffavvg @ 95: I live in Canada and have a better understanding of Amercan politic's and even American history then the average US citizen.

I was in a shop with a TV and there was some Obama coverage and someone in the shop talked about the vote counting and how their democracy was in perfect working order, so I laughed. He asked if I knew how the "great americon system" worked, I said yes, so he asked me to explain then once I'd finished he answered "Oh really, so that's how it works, that kinda sucks, you must be wrong we have the best system there is" ..... I asked and he was from, Oregon.

The level of complete ignorance and shines from that country is amazing as it is destructive.

It's interesting reading Have Your Say on the BBC website regarding Castro's retirement. A large majority of those responding are saying positive things about Castro saying he provided free eductation, universal health care and so on. Very few people are touting the American kool-aid line.

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

Left&Left @ 119:

Fil @ 117:

ignorant Canada bashing going on here.
Harper's election has nothing to do with the rise of conservatisme, Canada is just as Liberal today as it was 3 years ago.

These are the reasons why Harper won in 2006.

-Sponsorship Scandal was most impactfull in Quebec (2nd biggest province), and the arrosion of the Liberals was most significant in Quebeec. Quebec was in the past known to be a Liberal stronghold, even Jean Chreiten manage three consecutive majorities in the past. The Sponsorship Scandal gave the Bloc bigger standing and let the Conservatives make gains in rural riding.

-13 year of Liberal rule lead to incumbant fatigue, and they got arrogant. Paul Martin was no Jean Chretien.

-Paul Martin won his 1st minority previously on a Fear Campain about the Conservatives being Evil. The 2nd time around in 2006 it did not work. Paul Martil tried the scare fear tactics again, it backfired.

So....... all you people saying Canada is stupid for electing Conservatives, you don`t know what you talking about. The Liberals defeated themselves in 2006.

Wow. What an unorthodox rationale. " The Conservatives didn't win, we Liberals defeated ourselves".....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As a Canadian, I agree with this assessment. For all intents and purposes, the Liberals were doing a great job and the Conservatives looked like a bunch of wingnuts. Unfortunately, there was a huge scandal because liberal friendly Ad agencies were charging the government millions of dollars and not doing anything in return. So in essence, they were siphoning money out of the government under everyone's noses. To top it off, the ads were supposed to be for National unity which in turn gave the Quebec separatists plenty of ammo to kill the credibility of the liberal party.
So, if the Liberals had not turned a blind eye to their buddies that were ripping off the tax payer, yeah, I think they would still be in power. It's not like Harper has any charisma or appeal...

toosinbeymen @ 124:

It's interesting reading Have Your Say on the BBC website regarding Castro's retirement. A large majority of those responding are saying positive things about Castro saying he provided free eductation, universal health care and so on. Very few people are touting the American kool-aid line.

That's because the rest of us live in the real world and don't eat and talk the sh1t that americons do.

Fil @ 121:

The Sponsorship Scandal was a recipe for disaster if the Liberals would of been re-elected in 2006

Support for Quebec seperation always rises when the Federal does something to piss Quebec nationalists off.

The Conservative win in 2006 was needed to calm tensions down and it actually helped reduced support for seperation to a big time low.

I voted Conservative in 2006 not because I am a right winger (I am not), I voted Conservative to prevent a 3rd Referendum from being triggered if the Liberals would of been re-elected.

I did the right thing, and I would do it again.

Unity is more important than Left or Right.

Curious, what part of the country are you from? Did the cons really campaign as a unity party? You do realize they voted with the bloc to bring down the liberals?
There is no referendum coming in the near future. Provincial politics dictate that more than anything and the separatist vote is currently split between the PQ and ADQ so no worries. No need to vote conservative for national unity. The last conservative government got us into this mess with Meech Lake...

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

How about the accumulated debts that your bank owes China? Dude, if you have a savings account, your wages are paying off your bank's debt to China. And they better keep paying, 'cos when China calls in her loans, it ain't gonna be purdy.

toosinbeymen @ 124:

It's interesting reading Have Your Say on the BBC website regarding Castro's retirement. A large majority of those responding are saying positive things about Castro saying he provided free eductation, universal health care and so on. Very few people are touting the American kool-aid line.

There was no money in Cuba to steal...so the communists remained less corrupted?

bobaloo @ 125:

How about pointing out how awesome Communism is?

One word: WALMART.

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

I see McCarthy's monkeys are still alive and well. It's time to evolve.

@Jerry

Mmmmmmmmmmmm kay ………. go read a book

You may want to try some yourself. But first, refer me to the books about all the humanitarian works of communism and the freedoms of the individual that it instills. Point to the book that tells about freedom of expression, free speech and press.
I'll happily read them.

Bush liberates the people of Cuba, America loves him, we embrace him as our dictator once Directive 51 is tapped. Hey, it could happen

leo drongo @ 129:

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

How about the accumulated debts that your bank owes China? Dude, if you have a savings account, your wages are paying off your bank's debt to China. And they better keep paying, 'cos when China calls in her loans, it ain't gonna be purdy.

Red herrings aho! Where's all the awesome stuff about communism? Anyone?

samuel @ 132:

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

I see McCarthy's monkeys are still alive and well. It's time to evolve.

Where's that good stuff?

Sam's World @ 131:

bobaloo @ 125:

How about pointing out how awesome Communism is?

One word: WALMART.

Ah yes, thank you. Now, where's the awesomeness of communism?

Left&Left @ 119:

Fil @ 117:

ignorant Canada bashing going on here.
Harper's election has nothing to do with the rise of conservatisme, Canada is just as Liberal today as it was 3 years ago.

These are the reasons why Harper won in 2006.

-Sponsorship Scandal was most impactfull in Quebec (2nd biggest province), and the arrosion of the Liberals was most significant in Quebeec. Quebec was in the past known to be a Liberal stronghold, even Jean Chreiten manage three consecutive majorities in the past. The Sponsorship Scandal gave the Bloc bigger standing and let the Conservatives make gains in rural riding.

-13 year of Liberal rule lead to incumbant fatigue, and they got arrogant. Paul Martin was no Jean Chretien.

-Paul Martin won his 1st minority previously on a Fear Campain about the Conservatives being Evil. The 2nd time around in 2006 it did not work. Paul Martil tried the scare fear tactics again, it backfired.

So....... all you people saying Canada is stupid for electing Conservatives, you don`t know what you talking about. The Liberals defeated themselves in 2006.

Wow. What an unorthodox rationale. " The Conservatives didn't win, we Liberals defeated ourselves".....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The "Liberal" Party did defeat themselves. Turned out the media campaign about fraud and corruption won the election for Harper. By the way, do you know the total amount of money that was questionable? It was less than 200,000. There you have it in a nutshell. Now, dare we compare???

I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I'm an Obama supporter and I see what our country has devolved to. I'm no neo-con troll.
That said, heaping praise upon Castro simply because he defied the US and provided free health care is to ignore all the humanitarian and civil right atrocities he's committed. It's horrifying that anyone who's not a full on socialist or communist would praise this monstrous murderer who flies the same banner as Stalin.

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I understand his appeal to some of you as far as his opposition to the US government, but let's keep in mind that communism is bad.

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

Stalin and Mao were not communist. They were dictatorships. Perhaps some should do a wee bit of reading before throwing around big words that know not the meaning. It reminds me of the Coultergeist and his "damn those liberals" mentality. There has NEVER EVER been a communist country in the history of the world. Ever. There have been socialist gov'ts, there have been military dictatorships, there have been republics, but there has never ever been a communist country. Just because people repeat it over and over does not make it true.

bobaloo @ 139:

I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I'm an Obama supporter and I see what our country has devolved to. I'm no neo-con troll.
That said, heaping praise upon Castro simply because he defied the US and provided free health care is to ignore all the humanitarian and civil right atrocities he's committed. It's horrifying that anyone who's not a full on socialist or communist would praise this monstrous murderer who flies the same banner as Stalin.

Castro, though not perfect, was a dictatorship that started out as a democratic uprising. Made mistakes that cost some lives? Probably. How many has the US gov't killed in the last 20 years alone? Are they communist? Neither is Cuba.

ConcernedCanuck @ 140:

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:

bobaloo @ 72:

Ahh yes, and the way we promote Democracy isn't?

Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

Stalin and Mao were not communist. They were dictatorships. Perhaps some should do a wee bit of reading before throwing around big words that know not the meaning. It reminds me of the Coultergeist and his "damn those liberals" mentality. There has NEVER EVER been a communist country in the history of the world. Ever. There have been socialist gov'ts, there have been military dictatorships, there have been republics, but there has never ever been a communist country. Just because people repeat it over and over does not make it true.

Oh, sorry.
How about pointing out all the good stuff about the Marxist/Leninist state of the USSR then. Since communism is a myth and all.

ConcernedCanuck @ 141:

bobaloo @ 139:

I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I'm an Obama supporter and I see what our country has devolved to. I'm no neo-con troll.
That said, heaping praise upon Castro simply because he defied the US and provided free health care is to ignore all the humanitarian and civil right atrocities he's committed. It's horrifying that anyone who's not a full on socialist or communist would praise this monstrous murderer who flies the same banner as Stalin.

Castro, though not perfect, was a dictatorship that started out as a democratic uprising. Made mistakes that cost some lives? Probably. How many has the US gov't killed in the last 20 years alone? Are they communist? Neither is Cuba.

Nice try with your red herring.
Are you excusing his bad behavior by pointing out the fascist state of America's mistakes?

From Wiki:

Thousands of political opponents to the Castro regime have been killed, primarily during the first decade of his leadership.[137][138] Some Cubans labeled "counterrevolutionaries", "fascists", or "CIA operatives" were also imprisoned in poor conditions without trial.[139][140] Military Units to Aid Production, or UMAPs, were labor camps established in 1965 to confine "social deviants" including homosexuals, Jehovah Witnesses to work "counter-revolutionary" influences out of certain segments of the population.[141] The camps were closed in 1967 in response to international outcries.[142] Professor Marifeli Pérez Stable, a Cuban immigrant and former Castro supporter has said that "There were thousands of executions, forty, fifty thousand political prisoners. The treatment of political prisoners, with what we today know about human rights and the international norms governing human rights ... it is legitimate to raise questions about possible crimes against humanity in Cuba."[143]

leo drongo @ 129:
How about the accumulated debts that your bank owes China? Dude, if you have a savings account, your wages are paying off your bank's debt to China. And they better keep paying, 'cos when China calls in her loans, it ain't gonna be purdy.

Sooner the better, end this madness and make the people either wake up or pay; or just end them all and let the world balance out again and carry on in a positive manner.

bobaloo @ 133:

@Jerry

Mmmmmmmmmmmm kay ………. go read a book

You may want to try some yourself. But first, refer me to the books about all the humanitarian works of communism and the freedoms of the individual that it instills. Point to the book that tells about freedom of expression, free speech and press.
I'll happily read them.

Humanitarian works, are you serious ? As an example, do you have any idea how many Cuban doctors per capita are with doctors without borders compared to americon ..... which ironically they have been caught poaching so many times.

In so much as that you believe americon is an utopian democracy ........ where you have all those things, laughable. Once again the only defence is blame and finger pointing.

As for me, I've been though two university's in Europe, so I actually have an education. And the country I lived in didn't bend me over a barrel to teach me some critical thinking either, they actually understand the value of an educated populous opposed, to a bunch of over fed pigs at the trough.

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Jerry @ 144:

leo drongo @ 129:
How about the accumulated debts that your bank owes China? Dude, if you have a savings account, your wages are paying off your bank's debt to China. And they better keep paying, 'cos when China calls in her loans, it ain't gonna be purdy.

Sooner the better, end this madness and make the people either wake up or pay; or just end them all and let the world balance out again and carry on in a positive manner.

bobaloo @ 133:

@Jerry

Mmmmmmmmmmmm kay ………. go read a book

You may want to try some yourself. But first, refer me to the books about all the humanitarian works of communism and the freedoms of the individual that it instills. Point to the book that tells about freedom of expression, free speech and press.
I'll happily read them.

Humanitarian works, are you serious ? As an example, do you have any idea how many Cuban doctors per capita are with doctors without borders compared to americon ..... which ironically they have been caught poaching so many times.

In so much as that you believe americon is an utopian democracy ........ where you have all those things, laughable. Once again the only defence is blame and finger pointing.

As for me, I've been though two university's in Europe, so I actually have an education. And the country I lived in didn't bend me over a barrel to teach me some critical thinking either, they actually understand the value of an educated populous opposed, to a bunch of over fed pigs at the trough.

You're sounding a bit elitist there.
None the less, still no good stuff about communism...excuse me Marxist/Leninism. C'mon, since you're so well read and Euro educated, extol the great virtues of Chairman Mao and Comrade Stalin. I triple dog dare you.

The Gryffin @ 118:

I wonder what the Christmas song "Holly Jolly Christmas" sounds like in Spanish?

I was in uba during fakemas a couple of years ago. we had one small tree in the main dining hall of our resort. The best fakemas ever. I hope it never changes...

@ Jerry again since my blockquote screwed up:
You’re sounding a bit elitist there.
None the less, still no good stuff about communism…excuse me Marxist/Leninism. C’mon, since you’re so well read and Euro educated, extol the great virtues of Chairman Mao and Comrade Stalin. I triple dog dare you.

bobaloo @ 142:

ConcernedCanuck @ 140:

bobaloo @ 125:

Verdillac @ 99:
Typical. How about pointing out how awesome Communism is? C'mon, give me some good stuff about Stalin and Mao.

Stalin and Mao were not communist. They were dictatorships. Perhaps some should do a wee bit of reading before throwing around big words that know not the meaning. It reminds me of the Coultergeist and his "damn those liberals" mentality. There has NEVER EVER been a communist country in the history of the world. Ever. There have been socialist gov'ts, there have been military dictatorships, there have been republics, but there has never ever been a communist country. Just because people repeat it over and over does not make it true.

Oh, sorry.
How about pointing out all the good stuff about the Marxist/Leninist state of the USSR then. Since communism is a myth and all.

Again, military dictatorships that were called communist. You aren't listening.

bobaloo @ 143:

ConcernedCanuck @ 141:

bobaloo @ 139:

I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I'm an Obama supporter and I see what our country has devolved to. I'm no neo-con troll.
That said, heaping praise upon Castro simply because he defied the US and provided free health care is to ignore all the humanitarian and civil right atrocities he's committed. It's horrifying that anyone who's not a full on socialist or communist would praise this monstrous murderer who flies the same banner as Stalin.

Castro, though not perfect, was a dictatorship that started out as a democratic uprising. Made mistakes that cost some lives? Probably. How many has the US gov't killed in the last 20 years alone? Are they communist? Neither is Cuba.

Nice try with your red herring.
Are you excusing his bad behavior by pointing out the fascist state of America's mistakes?

From Wiki:

Thousands of political opponents to the Castro regime have been killed, primarily during the first decade of his leadership.[137][138] Some Cubans labeled "counterrevolutionaries", "fascists", or "CIA operatives" were also imprisoned in poor conditions without trial.[139][140] Military Units to Aid Production, or UMAPs, were labor camps established in 1965 to confine "social deviants" including homosexuals, Jehovah Witnesses to work "counter-revolutionary" influences out of certain segments of the population.[141] The camps were closed in 1967 in response to international outcries.[142] Professor Marifeli Pérez Stable, a Cuban immigrant and former Castro supporter has said that "There were thousands of executions, forty, fifty thousand political prisoners. The treatment of political prisoners, with what we today know about human rights and the international norms governing human rights ... it is legitimate to raise questions about possible crimes against humanity in Cuba."[143]

Wiki? I can post anything I want on Wiki, who is going to verify it?

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