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McCain Flip Flops On "100 Years in Iraq" Remark

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Flippity, floppity, flip, flop. Just like a fish on the deck of a boat, John McCain is gasping for the life of his campaign.   Knowing full well that tying his campaign to staying in Iraq and the "success" of the "surge" (quick, McCain, explain what that means!) and that the majority of Americans just aren't willing to buy it, McCain executes a perfect "cut and run" from his earlier statement of staying in Iraq for 100 years. 

By the way, that reminds me of that “100 year thing”.  My friends, the war will be over soon.  The war, for all intents and purposes, although the insurgency will go on for years and years and years.  But it will be handled by the Iraqis, not by us.

Huh?  The war will be "over soon"???  Mission Accomplished redux?  But the insurgency will go on.   But that's not a war.  But the Iraqis will handle it.  Aren't the insurgents Iraqis too?  Can anyone make heads or tails of this ridiculous excuse of a back pedal?

How in the hell does McCain think he can get away with this? 



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He can get away with it because most Americans probably just do not care.

Damn. And I thought Romney made me dizzy. What a loon. Glad he didn't switch parties. Sure wouldn't want to be stuck with this idiot.

I never really understood the concept of a 100 year war in Iraq.
What would be the point?
Isn't oil only supposed to last another 50 years or so?

Awwwwwww. McFriends backpedals, how politically correct of him. Lying POS.

Hahaha, that just made my night. Thank you John McCain. Thank you C&L.

mclair is suffering from alheizmer's or complete stupidity,
frankly i believe it's stupidity.

he will not be able to survive the stress of this campaign
and will more likely suffer a heart attack.

ConcernedCanuck @ 4:

Awwwwwww. McFriends backpedals, how politically correct of him. Lying POS.

mccain has been found POS for moronic self ass sucking.

Will nobody challenge him when he says this crap?

"Exactly how and when will the transition to Iraqi security independence begin? Will there be milestones for measuring progress?"

C'mon Fourth Estate, how hard can it be?!?

dadams @ 6:

mclair is suffering from alheizmer's or complete stupidity,
frankly i believe it's stupidity.

he will not be able to survive the stress of this campaign
and will more likely suffer a heart attack.

... or that *thing* on his face will explode. ICK whatamess that'd be.

BTW, this morning I put out the first round of Easter candy at my desk at work, 'cause

"Here comes Johnny Cottontail, flip-flopping down that bunny trail..."

come on everybody... s i n g ! ! (;>

I had a Bush Republican tell me today that he thinks McCain stinks as a candidate. This Republican has a cardboard Bush in his house and he looked really sad and beaten. He saw my Obama stickers on my car and I asked him if he would vote for Obama and he didn't reply. We got to talking about the loss of jobs because his job could be in jeopardy (outsourced overseas). I told him that Barack Obama wants to eliminate tax incentives to corporations for sending jobs overseas and the Barack Obama wants to give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in this country. The Republican said to me, "I could vote for him, if for that reason alone."

dadams @ 6:

mclair is suffering from alheizmer's or complete stupidity,
frankly i believe it's stupidity.

he will not be able to survive the stress of this campaign
and will more likely suffer a heart attack.

Don't worry about it. Romney is considering another stab at it, according to CNN today.

That's right, Rommy may be back. First he cuts and runs and then he wants to stay the course.

My friends. My friends.
reminds me of "Bob Dole likes congress." Bob Dole. Bob Dole.

/my friends.

soon as in "we're turning a corner" soon or in geologic terms?
either way, he's been wrong on most everything about this war.
why start believing now?

First of all, McCain...I'm not your friend. Second of all, you need to get some mental help. Your brain is rapidly turning to oatmeal.

Gotta love his quick pivots between hardline conservatives...and centralist moderates. At this point, he has no idea which group he's talking to.

LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS GOT THE EASTER SPIRIT

SING IT WITH ME......HIPPITY HOPPITY EASTER ON IT'S WAY

OH YEAH....."MY FRIENDS"

[Can deal with the bold face stuff, weldon, but the caps lock...no. toggle the caps off please, weldon. Site Monitor]

Cats r Flyfishn @ 10:

I had a Bush Republican tell me today that he thinks McCain stinks as a candidate. This Republican has a cardboard Bush in his house and he looked really sad and beaten. He saw my Obama stickers on my car and I asked him if he would vote for Obama and he didn't reply. We got to talking about the loss of jobs because his job could be in jeopardy (outsourced overseas). I told him that Barack Obama wants to eliminate tax incentives to corporations for sending jobs overseas and the Barack Obama wants to give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in this country. The Republican said to me, "I could vote for him, if for that reason alone."

Perhaps there's hope that the repub base will wake up and start voting in their own best interest (instead of the 2% uber-weathys interest). It's probably too much to hope for.

McCain must have just found out that 64% of American are against the Iraq war

If he put on a Bush mask would people know the difference.

McCain's got "war on his mind" He has had war on his mind ever since his grandfather and father came home from wars. And since he was a prisoner of war and came home. He is not the ideal candidate in my opinion to stop wars. Or prevent us from fighting unnecessary wars. Let's make sure Barack Obama wins Texas and Ohio next week.

I don't know what I'd do if there wasn't a Republican party. I probably wouldn't laugh at irony so much, that's for sure!

Thank you fellas for giving me something to laugh about. Of course, it's usually countered by the pity I feel for the people who fall for this goofiness.

anonanon @ 18:

McCain must have just found out that 64% of American are against the Iraq war

Well, he'd never know it by listening to the media. They barely mention the Iraq occupation, or just before we cut to a new Hooters promotion.

If McStraightJacket fell on the StraighJacket Express, and nobody was around, would he still look like an idiot?

Which is it Mr. McCain? First you say that he Iraq war will be a quick. Then you say that it could be 100 or 1000 years. Now you say that it'll be over soon. I guess we need to think about what soon means in the context of 100 to 1000 years. Within that framing... 10 years would be very soon, heck even 50 years would be soon.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the tripe that comes out of your mouth anymore. I'd say you had me as a possible supporter until you said that Jerry Falwell was a swell guy.

I believe I can explain it. McCain is a lying liar and he neither knows nor cares that he will be caught at it.

One of our Best and Brightest

Roar!!!!!

If Romney re-enters the GOP race, will he still support McCain or does he get a do-over on that one?

While he is flippin and floppin, somebody should ask him "what war?" What war John? There is NO WAR. There IS a travesty of justice occuring in two middle east nations, but nope, don't see any wars anywhere.

Only McCain and his folks can make heads or tails of this. Or atleast, they think they can and hope his supporters won't care enough to try to figure out what he's saying.

Apparently senility has many great advantages over actual memory... Makes for a handy excuse for any number of bone-headed statements and acts....huh McLame.....JD

My friends, the McAin't campaign will be over very soon. Time for my nap now, good bye everyone. Let's do this again tomorrow, OK?

L.A. Confidential @ 27:

One of our Best and Brightest

Roar!!!!!

Okay I shouldn't be so hard on the old man. He's damaged goods . . . . Damn It! There I go again.

Now why would Americans want another long time crony
in the white house covering up criminal activity like the bush family?

--> Email Suggests McCain Protected GOP Friends From Abramoff Probe
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/mccain-withheld-controver_n_883...

Bush Today: We Need To Eavesdrop On Phone Calls, Emails

Why so bush can spy on Congress for political reasons like NIXON?
I wonder what FBI whistleblowers have to say....
http://www.nswbc.org/Press%20Releases/PressRelease-March5-07.htm

Have all the candidates run on this... there is a precedent to deal with criminals that occupy the white house.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=418&invol=683

I wonder who he thinks he's referring to every time he says 'my friends'. He certainly has very few.

Ninety-nine years in Iraq on the wall
Ninety-nine years in Iraq
If one of those years should happen to fall
Ninety-eight years in Iraq on the wall

L.A. Confidential @ 33:

L.A. Confidential @ 27:

One of our Best and Brightest

Roar!!!!!

Okay I shouldn't be so hard on the old man. He's damaged goods . . . . Damn It! There I go again.

Wing nuts ridicule people I shouldn't lower myself to that measly level.

There's no way he's digging himself out of the "100 years" hole. But as long as he's at it, he could always try this old chestnut from Bush:

"I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma ..."

ConcernedCanuck @ 24:

McStraightJacket

#323, thanks, CC! ;}

What does the nutjob, shit-for-brains base have to say about this? What is McCain going to say to them when he's begging for their vote?

Come on, Nicole!

Must we be as bad as the mainstream media and the Republicans? McCain has always said that his words of "100 years" pertain to an American presence in Iraq, similar to American presence in South Korea - not a 100 year war in which our troops are one of the main combatants. The left (of which I am a proud member) has mischaracterized his message on this (and maybe it will be advantageous for the Democrats), but it sickens me as much as the media mischaracterizations of everything Democratic.

I'm not a John McCain fan (I can't stand him), but I can't stand distortions -- especially when done by our side. We should be above that. It deflates our integrity. Politics is a dirty game, but to call this flip-flopping is a bit dramatic and silly, given the reality.

Can anyone make heads or tails of this ridiculous excuse of a back pedal?

I can. McFriendy wants to be the next decider and he'll lie to TRY and make that happen. That, or he's so friggin old he forgot what he said yesterday, last week, last month........

Scooter @ 32:

McAin't

#324, thanks! ;-}

QuestionGirl @ 42:

McFriendy

#325, thanks! ;-}

kkeydel @ 41:

Come on, Nicole!

Must we be as bad as the mainstream media and the Republicans? McCain has always said that his words of "100 years" pertain to an American presence in Iraq, similar to American presence in South Korea - not a 100 year war in which our troops are one of the main combatants. The left (of which I am a proud member) has mischaracterized his message on this (and maybe it will be advantageous for the Democrats), but it sickens me as much as the media mischaracterizations of everything Democratic.

I'm not a John McCain fan (I can't stand him), but I can't stand distortions -- especially when done by our side. We should be above that. It deflates our integrity. Politics is a dirty game, but to call this flip-flopping is a bit dramatic and silly, given the reality.

Recall that the Korean War is not actually over. Hence, under McCain's command, we'll be waging this war for a hundred years.

how is it that we've come to accept "flip flopping" as something bad? adults flip flop all the time. it's a shame that we're using the frame, an antiintellectual and dishonest one at that, of the right wing. grown ups that i know analyse the data that's there, and based on that, make the decision, which may not necessarily be the one that was initially made.

It's not a war, it's an occupation. It's that occupation that McCain/Bush intend to be unlimited.

Submitting McFishy for the illustrious and insightful Nicole Belle at #326...

;-}

"if I can convince the American people, the people of Ohio, that this is succeeding, that the casualties will continue down, although there are occasional spikes."

Sheesh

And so long as there is an occupation, there will be those Iraqis who are willing to use force to end it.

McMymillenium McBackpeddler McBackpedals McShamelessly...

Mc Tainted, promising a kinder, gentler occupation. That white phosphorous is a thousand points of light.

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Scooter @ 54:

McTainted

Not to be confused with Mc'taint, which is between McScrotum and McAsshole...

#328, tanky danky spanky!

;}

This guy is just another 4 years of Bush PERIOD!

He can get away with everything because the MSM loves him & he has President Bush as a role model.

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Which is the right direction, then?

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

...and the direction certainly isn't toward the Republicans and their nominee, McCain, who charges '100 more years' of being in Iraq. One thing's crystal clear: GWB is the worst president, period, and having hoisted this monumental failure onto is in 2000, the GOP certainly doesn't deserve to keep the White House in 2008. In fact, not even for let's say...100 years. Sounds good to me, as I'll be long gone anyway.

and let's not forget the way he flip-flopped on the torture issue. that's just shameless.

Dave S @ 58:

This guy is just another 4 years of Bush PERIOD!

Closer to the last 4 years of Raygunidiot, 2001-2004...

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Were screwed either way. There's no way to repair the damage 8 years of Bush 2 has done to this country.

I don't know who you hell you think you are, John McCain, but you are NOT my friend. Stop calling me one.

McCain isn't a Democrat. So he can say stupid stuff like this, flip-flop all over the place like a fish out of water and the media won't say boo.

but....but....but.... bush told us the war was over 4 years ago.

L.A. Confidential @ 64:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Were screwed either way. There's no way to repair the damage 8 years of Bush 2 has done to this country.

Maybe in 60 years if mankind doesn't destroy it self in the process.

There is now "they" there...........

Proud2bHumble @ 57:

Scooter @ 54:

McTainted

Not to be confused with Mc'taint, which is between McScrotum and McAsshole...

#328, tanky danky spanky!

;}

Hey Proud2b did you get my post for the Mclist from one of yesterdays threads. You may have left the discussion. It was late. I'm going for the length record: McNotreadyformycloseupMrDemille.

Proud2bHumble @ 60:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Which is the right direction, then?

Um....McRightTurnMcCain??

kkeydel @ 41:

Come on, Nicole!

Must we be as bad as the mainstream media and the Republicans? McCain has always said that his words of "100 years" pertain to an American presence in Iraq, similar to American presence in South Korea - not a 100 year war in which our troops are one of the main combatants. The left (of which I am a proud member) has mischaracterized his message on this (and maybe it will be advantageous for the Democrats), but it sickens me as much as the media mischaracterizations of everything Democratic.

I'm not a John McCain fan (I can't stand him), but I can't stand distortions -- especially when done by our side. We should be above that. It deflates our integrity. Politics is a dirty game, but to call this flip-flopping is a bit dramatic and silly, given the reality.

distortions???

iraq is not japan or korea

after cessation of major hostilities following ww2 and the korean cease fire, how many americans lost their lives? how many japanese or south koreans were part of an insurgency? how many americans are stationed in north korea?

and the "war" was over in 03....we have been occupying the country since then

if the insurgency will continue ad infinitum, how the fuck can mcbamboozled guarantee that no americans will lose their lives?

biggest fubar in the history of this country

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

i dare you....i double dare you...

walk right up to obama and call him an empty suit

St.McBush'08™ must have been meeting with Shillary.

Nationalism is the sport of Universal destruction.

Peter G @ 70:

Proud2bHumble @ 57:

Scooter @ 54:

McTainted

Not to be confused with Mc'taint, which is between McScrotum and McAsshole...

#328, tanky danky spanky!

;}

Hey Proud2b did you get my post for the Mclist from one of yesterdays threads. You may have left the discussion. It was late. I'm going for the length record: McNotreadyformycloseupMrDemille.

Yep, got it. Thanks for prosyletizing the CoFSM at me, too LOLOLOL! I plan to attend regularly.

;-}

P.S. If ya wanna save wear and tear on yer fingers and my chest, go with '2b'.

McLostInSpace
McBeamMeUpJohnny
McMissionImplausible
McTransformer!!! (he's more than meets the eye)
McSparkless
McB52

I can help - he's channeling the "Alice in Wonderland" approach from Through the Looking Glass

"When I use a word, ... it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

For the literati out there, it's sort of an Orwellian "Newspeak" that the republicans have really mastered ... and sadly, huge hordes of people have bought.

I am not ageist but how old is McOld ah! I mean McCain again?
Did he fight in WWII?

Peter G @ 70:
I'm going for the length record

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing

...but I'm eager to replace it.

;-}

itsamessi @ 79:

I am not ageist but how old is McOld ah! I mean McCain again?
Did he fight in WWII?

Actually, he is the only known survivor of the American Civil War. True story.

2b
May have already been said, but we call them (he and his wife) Mcnosferatu.

ConcernedCanuck @ 71:

Proud2bHumble @ 60:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

Which is the right direction, then?

Um....McRightTurnMcCain??

#329, thanks! I guess BoilThemInTheirOil is getting his filter changed.

;-}

Terrible @ 67:

but....but....but.... bush told us the war was over 4 years ago.

he said it only subliminally com'on!

jerzen @ 75:

Nationalism is the sport of Universal destruction.

If we don't outgrow it, yes.

ConcernedCanuck @ 81:

itsamessi @ 79:

I am not ageist but how old is McOld ah! I mean McCain again?
Did he fight in WWII?

Actually, he is the only known survivor of the American Civil War. True story.

LMAO

ConcernedCanuck @ 77:

McLostInSpace
McBeamMeUpJohnny
McMissionImplausible
McTransformer!!! (he's more than meets the eye)
McSparkless
McB52

All keepers! You're not going to Mcmachinegun me faster than I can type again, are you? lol

#'s 329-34 McProlicator! Thanks!

;-}

"It will be handled by the Iraqis."

Oh, yeah, sure, in the midst of a global energy crisis we're just going to let the Iraqis handle their "genocidal civil war on top of the world's biggest oil field" as an internal matter. No problem. Sure.

Sadly, McCain is right: we're in, and we're in until we either own Iraq or until someone builds a car that can run on bullshit.

itsamessi @ 79:

I am not ageist but how old is McOld ah! I mean McCain again?
Did he fight in WWII?

#335, thanks for playing, haha ;-}

Fortunately, he will lose.

OK

As I recall John M. said America is staying or should stay in Iraq for 100 years
or something like that.

John is 71 years old.

Hey .

George Bush was the President of the US of A for two term ( ie 8 years).

Is there a problem here?.

Houston "we have a problem".

Back in the mid 80's there was a May Day parade in Moscow
and on the Kremlin Wall there was a line of all these very senior communists
overseing the parade.OK those guys had just downed a lot of Vodka.

An American commentator ( probably CIA ) said " we have a problem here".

There was a problem . Fortunately is was a Russian problem.

Brace yourself if you are an American.

Proud2bHumble @ 87:

ConcernedCanuck @ 77:

McLostInSpace
McBeamMeUpJohnny
McMissionImplausible
McTransformer!!! (he's more than meets the eye)
McSparkless
McB52

All keepers! You're not going to Mcmachinegun me faster than I can type again, are you? lol

#'s 329-34 McProlicator! Thanks!

;-}

LOL! Naw. McCain sure brings out the bestest in people though....I heard today after a speech he had to say B19 and someone yelled out McBINGO! and as a prize was rewarded with an extra half hour sponge bath!!

Fanon @ 82:

2b
May have already been said, but we call them (he and his wife) Mcnosferatu.

That's a new one, lol. #336, thanks! ;)

JasonS @ 88:

"It will be handled by the Iraqis."

Oh, yeah, sure, in the midst of a global energy crisis we're just going to let the Iraqis handle their "genocidal civil war on top of the world's biggest oil field" as an internal matter. No problem. Sure.

Sadly, McCain is right: we're in, and we're in until we either own Iraq or until someone builds a car that can run on bullshit.

Or until the American Empire collapses. Surely their greed will stop before that happens, won't it?

itsamessi @ 86:

ConcernedCanuck @ 81:

itsamessi @ 79:

I am not ageist but how old is McOld ah! I mean McCain again?
Did he fight in WWII?

Actually, he is the only known survivor of the American Civil War. True story.

LMAO

The first one. If he gets selected, you can count on the second one shortly thereafter.

Crazy grampa will now declare 'mission accomplished 2.0' until the day after he's sworn in. Then it's back to 'war forevah'.
Especially love the use of 'cut and run'. Nice touch.
It just goes to further illustrate that the reslugs have nothing to offer anyone and the best they can scrape from the bottom of that barrel is shmuckabee and mcstain.

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

ConcernedCanuck @ 92:

Proud2bHumble @ 87:

ConcernedCanuck @ 77:

LOL! Naw. McCain sure brings out the bestest in people though....I heard today after a speech he had to say B19 and someone yelled out McBINGO! and as a prize was rewarded with an extra half hour sponge bath!!

LOL! The crafty canuck slides #337 in. ;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 80:

Peter G @ 70:
I'm going for the length record

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing

...but I'm eager to replace it.

;-}

Good Sweet Jesus. Give me a minute.

My friends, the war will be over soon. The war, for all intents and purposes, although the insurgency will go on for years and years and years.

I'd love to see people question him about what actually constitutes the war anymore? He's making a clear point that there is a difference between what he considers the war and the insurgency. I want to know what the war is because I had the impression that the war had been over and we had been fighting an insurgency for the last few years instead. What counts as success in the war? And is it even possible to end the insurgency? Are we even going to try? These are all questions that he needs to answer if he's going to run with Iraq as his central theme (which seems to be his mission now).

Additionally, I'd like to have him define success for our mission in Iraq. I know we've been steadily lowering the bar but it's frankly next to impossible to utterly eliminate the insurgency and make the country as safe as the other countries where we have military forces. We already know the media is going to give McInsane'oTheWarMonger a free ride when it comes to scary questions like this.

Peter G @ 97:

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

I knew you was smart. There's a lot of keyboards with well worn orange '!' keys in mommies' basements around the country these days, lol.

I'd like to add that the recent upsurge in new commenters (whether from genuine progressives or rovian ratfuckers with multiple monikers - some of both, I'm sure) is a testament to the quality site that John and company run.

I used to think McCain's biggest negative was he's old.

Man, if he's not selling his soul to the Christianists, he's telling you how much he doesn't understand economics. Between the lobbyists and the pandering, everything to him is a whore or a trick.

This guy is a walking disaster.

Mitt or Huckleberry is going to pass this guy up.

Are you sure a hundred years is enough. I can't help think of the owner of the China Shop telling the bull: Hey you broke all of it, you fix all of it.

Peter G @ 97:

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

Good point. It's almost a shame that both are Democrats really. Both parties need some real leadership and have for a long time. The only thing I could see Hillary bringing to the table is more division. More fighting. More partisan politics. More "sure we'll pass this bill once we add on 100% more pork".....Whether unfair, or truthful, the allegations and mud that comes with Hillary just seems way over the top. I know people are right when they say "you can't get along with Rep politicians" but does America really want to give them ammo? I don't know, but I'd think power or no power, the Dem supporters must be sick of this crap after how many years?

Roark77 @ 100:

McInsane'oTheWarMonger

Hi Roark77 (the late-nite abandoner,lol). #338, thanks! ;}

Proud2bHumble @ 101:

Peter G @ 97:

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

I knew you was smart. There's a lot of keyboards with well worn orange '!' keys in mommies' basements around the country these days, lol.

I'd like to add that the recent upsurge in new commenters (whether from genuine progressives or rovian ratfuckers with multiple monikers - some of both, I'm sure) is a testament to the quality site that John and company run.

I'm leaning toward the Rovian Ratfucker argument. Both candidates are good, and I'm still crossing my fingers for Obama/Clinton. I would gladly take Obama/Edwards, Obama/Kucinich, Obama/Dodd, Obama/Feingold. Definitely not Obama/Lieberman, Obama/Giuliani, or Obama/Paul, though.

uncle joe mccarthy @ 73:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

i dare you....i double dare you...

walk right up to obama and call him an empty suit

Back from my oil change (and lube)!
I truly "like" Obama, but I would have no telling him face to face that I think his superficial market glitz campaign puts us all in great danger. He may be well intentioned, but he better add solid meat to the bone immediately or this pretty boy, "superstar" bubble will be popped by the Repugs without even trying.

Perhaps in 101 years, the Iraqis will love us just like they do in Okinawa right now. A guy can only dream...

Proud2bHumble @ 80:

Peter G @ 70:
I'm going for the length record

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing

...but I'm eager to replace it.

;-}

that was clearly a Mcflurry Phew!

Jeebus, this man will say anything and those retarded haters will lap it up.

ConcernedCanuck @ 104:

Peter G @ 97:

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

Good point. It's almost a shame that both are Democrats really. Both parties need some real leadership and have for a long time. The only thing I could see Hillary bringing to the table is more division. More fighting. More partisan politics. More "sure we'll pass this bill once we add on 100% more pork".....Whether unfair, or truthful, the allegations and mud that comes with Hillary just seems way over the top. I know people are right when they say "you can't get along with Rep politicians" but does America really want to give them ammo? I don't know, but I'd think power or no power, the Dem supporters must be sick of this crap after how many years?

I 100% agree. Hillary will embolden the Rebublican obstructionists. Obama will have longer coat-tails, and even the remaining Senators will have to appreciate his popularity. Clinton on the ticket is just because I like her; she's smart and experienced with the horse-trading. It would be a poke in the eye to the misogynist backwash in this country, and, I hate to say it, but she'd be great life insurance for the lunatic fringe would be evil-doers.

Old Billy @ 111:

ConcernedCanuck @ 104:

Peter G @ 97:

I get the impression that most of the people on this site posting the most venomous anti-Clinton and Anti-Obama crap are rather young. Living through a dozen or so elections cycles gives one a little perspective. Some people take personally the rough and tumble of pre-convention politics. The truth is that the Democrats have had an embarrassment of riches this year in terms of candidates. Senator Obama has displayed a mastery of oratory and a sense of diplomacy that would grace any President. If he lacks a depth of experience then I would suggest that as President he would rely on the huge repository of knowledge that resides in places like the State Department.If a President cares to listen. I think he would. Hillary,on the other hand possesses a greater depth of experience and perhaps more insight into the art of the possible.I'm sure she learned a thing or two from her last health care initiative. Has any First Lady endured more abuse and come out stronger for it than Hillary.

Good point. It's almost a shame that both are Democrats really. Both parties need some real leadership and have for a long time. The only thing I could see Hillary bringing to the table is more division. More fighting. More partisan politics. More "sure we'll pass this bill once we add on 100% more pork".....Whether unfair, or truthful, the allegations and mud that comes with Hillary just seems way over the top. I know people are right when they say "you can't get along with Rep politicians" but does America really want to give them ammo? I don't know, but I'd think power or no power, the Dem supporters must be sick of this crap after how many years?

I 100% agree. Hillary will embolden the Rebublican obstructionists. Obama will have longer coat-tails, and even the remaining Senators will have to appreciate his popularity. Clinton on the ticket is just because I like her; she's smart and experienced with the horse-trading. It would be a poke in the eye to the misogynist backwash in this country, and, I hate to say it, but she'd be great life insurance for the lunatic fringe would be evil-doers.

See those are both reasoned arguments and no one had to call anyone a turd.

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 107:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 73:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

Better get used to it. The empty, superficial Obama suit that has distracted progressives like a red flag distracts a bull will likely lead to 4 years of McWar. Progressives have great energy to institute real "change"... but they're chasing in the wrong direction.

i dare you....i double dare you...

walk right up to obama and call him an empty suit

Back from my oil change (and lube)!
I truly "like" Obama, but I would have no telling him face to face that I think his superficial market glitz campaign puts us all in great danger. He may be well intentioned, but he better add solid meat to the bone immediately or this pretty boy, "superstar" bubble will be popped by the Repugs without even trying.

lol... So who are you for, if you had your pick?

itsamessi @ 109:

Proud2bHumble @ 80:

Peter G @ 70:

that was clearly a Mcflurry Phew!

Not sure what you mean, but #339, thanks?

Proud2bHumble @ 114:

itsamessi @ 109:

Proud2bHumble @ 80:

Peter G @ 70:

that was clearly a Mcflurry Phew!

Not sure what you mean, but #339, thanks?

duhhh...ok, now I get it...lol

By the way if my political tolerance seems at odds with my delight in adding to the McList there is a reason.I remember the first Straight Talk Express and I remember thinking that perhaps there was some small well of decency within the Republican Party. His disgustingly disappointing turn to pure opportunism has rather soured me on McI'vereconsideredmypositionandIthinkthereisatimeandaplaceforwaterboarding

Proud2bHumble @ 113:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 107:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 73:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 56:

i dare you....i double dare you...

walk right up to obama and call him an empty suit

Back from my oil change (and lube)!
I truly "like" Obama, but I would have no telling him face to face that I think his superficial market glitz campaign puts us all in great danger. He may be well intentioned, but he better add solid meat to the bone immediately or this pretty boy, "superstar" bubble will be popped by the Repugs without even trying.

lol... So who are you for, if you had your pick?

Gore. He would have won ~57/43% over McNutty. As he's not an option, I prefer Clinton because she will win (~53/47%). Obama will be much more volatile...he could win 70/30, but he's more likely to lose 30/70 if the Repugs pop his bubble.

Peter G @ 97:

See those are both reasoned arguments and no one had to call anyone a turd.

Gimme a chance ta get a word in edgewise, ya turds...

John McCain dreams of peace and he dreams he will wade to it through a sea of blood.

Proud2bHumble @ 118:

Peter G @ 97:

See those are both reasoned arguments and no one had to call anyone a turd.

Gimme a chance ta get a word in edgewise, ya turds...

Nobody move. My ass just fell off.

Peter G @ 116:

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing
McI'vereconsideredmypositionandIthinkthereisatimeandaplaceforwaterboarding

As you can see, still a little short, but I like it...

#340, tanky danky not too skanky, spanky!

;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 121:

Peter G @ 116:

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing
McI'vereconsideredmypositionandIthinkthereisatimeandaplaceforwaterboarding

As you can see, still a little short, but I like it...

#340, tanky danky not too skanky, spanky!

;-}

I'm building to a crescendo.

What a fuckin chucklehead....

Ever wonder why someone would spend 100 million for such a low payin job????

God damn it....wake the fuck up!!!!!!

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 117:

Proud2bHumble @ 113:

BoilThemInTheirOil @ 107:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 73:

Back from my oil change (and lube)!
I truly "like" Obama, but I would have no telling him face to face that I think his superficial market glitz campaign puts us all in great danger. He may be well intentioned, but he better add solid meat to the bone immediately or this pretty boy, "superstar" bubble will be popped by the Repugs without even trying.

lol... So who are you for, if you had your pick?

Gore. He would have won ~57/43% over McNutty. As he's not an option, I prefer Clinton because she will win (~53/47%). Obama will be much more volatile...he could win 70/30, but he's more likely to lose 30/70 if the Repugs pop his bubble.

Fair enough. I'm putting "good for another 3000 comments or 3 months, whichever comes first" on yer C&L sticker... lol.

;-}

In John's defense (even though I loathe the guy), the point he was making is global reach through a military perspective. If we have a post in the middle-east, we will be able to re-act (or preemptively attack) some of the most unstable/threatening regions. There is alot of bureaucracy involved with other countries when we want to do bomb-runs from their bases; and even some of our closest allies forbid it... So we have to come from as far as Germany and Italy to make the runs; and we wouldn't have bases in Germany if we hadn't have stuck around after WWII. In the long run, we benefit from faster/cheaper strikes; however, our presence on their 'holy land' is going to cause continued muslim outrage; and it's going to hurt retention in the military branches because no kid in his right mind wants to graduate highschool to go to Iraq. What a gaggle. Just a few more reasons why I'm moving to Amsterdam!!!! Peace.

Peter G @ 122:

Proud2bHumble @ 121:

Peter G @ 116:

I'm building to a crescendo.

Everybody clear out! Impending McSploogeofPeterNorthproportions soon to cum!!

mercman @ 123:

What a fuckin chucklehead....

Ever wonder why someone would spend 100 million for such a low payin job????

God damn it....wake the fuck up!!!!!!

Peter G @ 122:

Proud2bHumble @ 121:

Peter G @ 116:

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing
McI'vereconsideredmypositionandIthinkthereisatimeandaplaceforwaterboarding

As you can see, still a little short, but I like it...

#340, tanky danky not too skanky, spanky!

;-}

I'm building to a crescendo.

Undeleted expletives notwithstanding that's a good question. The answer I believe is that there is no politician alive who does not think the most noble thing he can do for his country is get elected.

Not sure how that happened .

Peter G @ 127:

mercman @ 123:

What a fuckin chucklehead....

Ever wonder why someone would spend 100 million for such a low payin job????

God damn it....wake the fuck up!!!!!!

Peter G @ 122:

Proud2bHumble @ 121:

Peter G @ 116:

As you can see, still a little short, but I like it...

#340, tanky danky not too skanky, spanky!

;-}

I'm building to a crescendo.

Undeleted expletives notwithstanding that's a good question. The answer I believe is that there is no politician alive who does not think the most noble thing he can do for his country is get elected.

I'm supposed to take back 'turd' for that? I don't think so. lol
;-}

"It takes a village to raise a child" and an egomaniac to run the village...

It's been fun hangin' with y'all (esp fellow FSM'ers)...gotta go, will check back later and on McWhoreHeroTourette's threads.

"Last word, freak." - Melvin Udall

out

Proud2bHumble @ 130:

"It takes a village to raise a child" and an egomaniac to run the village...

If you're unlucky you get a paranoid control freak.

Justin @ 125:

and it's going to hurt retention in the military branches because no kid in his right mind wants to graduate highschool to go to Iraq

They'll just up the bonuses so that it's harder to resist. There's already a program being tested that gives $40k toward a home or startup business with a four year enlistment and I believe that's outside of the standard enlistment bonus. High school grads that enlist are already getting $10-20k bonuses to enlist and that's not a bad deal for some people.

You wonder how McCain will get away with his latest specimen of pandering doublespeak about the war?

I heard Wolf Blitzer reporting this statement this afternoon. The lead-in to the story was "Too much straight talk from McCain?".

God, if McCain raped a nun on national TV, Blitzer et. al. would report the fact that he didn't drag her out behind the building first as an act of remarkable candor.

[deleted--off topic. Please wait for an open thread.]

Attention Janet Reno. Take your meds and go lie down.

[Deleted. Quit spamming threads with the same message and quit posting in ALL CAPS-Sitemonitor]

Janet Reno @ 135:

Complete and utter trolling.

Obama the muslim again? And a little more Rezko? How about some more Larry Sinclair and a dash of Lieberman? You could remind us how Obama shot JR Ewing right after he took the Lindbergh baby. Wait, I almost forgot about how he stole all that money while using the alias DB Cooper just before he had a threesome with John McCain and Vicky Iseman.

Find some new memes and thank you for playing. Please come again.

"How in the hell does McCain think he can get away with this?"

Are you kidding? Look two stories up on Crooks and Liars to this entry headlined: The Chris Matthews Show: Are The Lobbyist Revelations Going To Hurt McCain In November?

That's how!!!!

They ought to ask McCain if in his wars he would have a draft and if there would be deferments for working on political campaigns (of pro-war candidates, of course).

Q: How in the hell does McCain think he can get away with this?

A: Because he always has before, so what's different now?

Roark77 @ 133:

Justin @ 125:

and it's going to hurt retention in the military branches because no kid in his right mind wants to graduate highschool to go to Iraq

They'll just up the bonuses so that it's harder to resist. There's already a program being tested that gives $40k toward a home or startup business with a four year enlistment and I believe that's outside of the standard enlistment bonus. High school grads that enlist are already getting $10-20k bonuses to enlist and that's not a bad deal for some people.

(Cue Joe Pesci as Leo Getz)
Okay, okay, okay... now the real genius thing is you make the bonus contingent on serving for three years, and make the poor schmuck pay it back if he gets wounded and can't finish it all on active duty...

Do americans really want that guy to be their president ??

I can't wait for the Obama/mcnutty* debates.

mcloophole* will be wired. Gotta keep the lies somewhat straight.

he's funnier than chimpy, in a sick way. I do believe he'll build a dome around the US.

2 funny ,
Its like some one clearing their guns , going into a slight altitude drop , kicking in the burner and pulling up , in front of their own rounds , well done ! .

He just got a clue .

He thinks he can get away with it because the corporate whore media will let him get away with it.

itsamessi @ 109:

Proud2bHumble @ 80:

Peter G @ 70:
I'm going for the length record

Current longest at #99 is:
McDoesAnyoneReallyThinkMostOfTheseAreWittyBecauseISureAsHellKnowTheyArentCauseIAmNotLaughing

...but I'm eager to replace it.

;-}

that was clearly a Mcflurry Phew!

Hello, McFly.....

Somehow I doubt the American soldier's doing the fightin' and dyin' consider mccan't their friend.

sounds like another "last throes."

How long has the U.S. been in Korea? 50 years?

So, 100 years for occupying the Middle East doesn't seem that far fetched.

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