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Obama Clinton MSNBC will run the debate live from Cleveland State University from 9-10:30 p.m. Eastern. NBC's Brian Williams and Tim Russert will moderate. It will be streamed live on msnbc.com.

The New York Times "asked five experts to pose the questions that they feel have not been answered over the course of more than a year of campaigning."

And David Sirota provides an Ohio Debate Primer on Trade...

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Roger from Ohio's picture

HILLARY FIRST!!!

Hail to the Chimp's picture

The live stream is not working on msnbc.

neamhni's picture

i hate timmeh and williams. This is gonna suck.

Jordan's picture

Jesus Christ, Tim Russert looks like a zombie.

SR913's picture

Love the first question. Hillary...you've been Caught On Tape!

tyree's picture

round one for the bullshit artists , ding ding!

Janet's picture

Geez going right to the meat with the first question

ConcernedCanuck's picture

“asked five experts to pose the questions that they feel have not been answered over the course of more than a year of campaigning.”

Hahahaha.......how much ya bet they don't ask the REAL questions that everyone wants answers to?

Don Davis's picture

Hillary Makes a Comeback Among WOMEN: Sybil!

xoites defends Constitution's picture

OMG! Is she going to pull a Bill O'Rielly and be all sweetness and light while explaining that all the crap she said made perfect sense?

reciprocity's picture

msnbc vid player sux bigtime.

neamhni's picture

Wow, Hillary is pulling back...

Janet's picture

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Won't play for me.........buffers every few seconds

Roger from Ohio's picture

neamhni @ 12:

Wow, Hillary is pulling back...

she is gonna smack him in the back of the head at least 3 times

dc's picture

OK, who put the photo out? Drudge?

neamhni's picture

Janet @ 13:

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

Lollimom's picture

How to keep the elections rigged:

Transition ownership of the debates to cable networks.

F*****g thing doesn't work in any browser.

Hail to the Chimp's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 15:

neamhni @ 12:

Wow, Hillary is pulling back...

she is gonna smack him in the back of the head at least 3 times

The look she is giving him is wild. She gave him an evil, loathing stare. Poor thing

neamhni's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 15:

neamhni @ 12:

Wow, Hillary is pulling back...

she is gonna smack him in the back of the head at least 3 times

That made me laugh so hard i've got to wipe the soda off my keyboard! :)

Fanon's picture

neamhni @ 17:

Janet @ 13:

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

dc @ 16:

OK, who put the photo out? Drudge?

I have no idea "blink, blink" where that came from "blink, blink" and if it was someone from my campaign "blink, blink" then I knew nothing about it "blink, blink"

Roger from Ohio's picture

Janet @ 13:

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

the same way that everyone is able to afford to go to school from K to 12

Janet's picture

Slam! We haven't whined about it. lol

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Lollimom @ 18:

How to keep the elections rigged:

Transition ownership of the debates to cable networks.

F*****g thing doesn't work in any browser.

I have the same problem.........nothing but drag

CalGeorge's picture

The gloves are off! Woooo!

neamhni's picture

Fanon @ 21:

neamhni @ 17:

Janet @ 13:

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

What if i don't have a job? Or i run my own business?

Babushka Blue's picture

Oh man! She is GLARING at him. I wonder if she's going to go off and start with the shrill talk. She's obviously trying to control her voice. Wait for it. Waaaaaait for it.....

Fanon's picture

Plus, I do wish that both of them would stop saying "health care". They're not talking about health care. They're talking about health INSURANCE.

Hail to the Chimp's picture

Does Hillary not understand that mandating that kids have health care and mandating that adults have health care is different?

Janet's picture

Fanon @ 21:

neamhni @ 17:

Janet @ 13:

Fuck that word...affordable! If it is more than $20 a month I can't afford it and yet she says EVERYONE will be covered. How is that possible?

Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

They take anything else out of my paycheck I will owe money each week.

neamhni's picture

ConcernedCanuck @ 22:

dc @ 16:

OK, who put the photo out? Drudge?

I have no idea "blink, blink" where that came from "blink, blink" and if it was someone from my campaign "blink, blink" then I knew nothing about it "blink, blink"

Muahahahahahah!!

RobertD's picture

Folks, you all are our eyes and ears on this one. I don't have cable; can't get the stream to work, either.

Please give us what they're saying as far as their positions go because, frankly, the back-and-forth bickering (among us, I mean) doesn't help too much. Knowing what the candidates say, though, helps a lot.

Thanks.

euthyfro's picture

most unlikely thing to happen, but i'd really like to see it:

at some point, it clicks in Senator Clinton's mind, screw these advisors, screw Bill. She concedes not after the primaries not tomorrow, but during this debate.
Senator Obama immediately turns to her & says: "Hillary, I need a real nuts & bolts solutions oriented person to help me implement the big policy changes our country needs. So I ask, would you be my running-mate?"
She agrees.
>hugs<
"Let's go fix our nation"
"I'm with you."

They spend the remaining scheduled msnbc time to thoroughly smack McCain around.
Party united, unstoppable ticket, the beginning of a 16 year era of Democratic presidents.

i should probably stop writing these scripts that'll never happen

Janet's picture

neamhni @ 27:

Fanon @ 21:

neamhni @ 17:

Janet @ 13:
Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

What if i don't have a job? Or i run my own business?

Good question

VoR's picture

Russert and Williams might as well just get down on their knees (mouths wide open) in front of Obama…this is the most ridiculous “debate” I’ve seen so far.

This is an unfortunate analogy from a Clinton supporter...... =(

sam's picture

Clinton sure is good at making excuses for things that she has control over but not yet done. Why not release the records? "Oh we want to, but we will." And Timmeh's an idiot.

carefulwiththatAXEeugene's picture

he answered the question tim.

quit trying to stick it to him!

plastic's picture

hey errol save that for your personal blog...

porkchop's picture

plastic @ 358:

porkchop @ 347:

plastic @ 335:

porkchop @ 325:

can you imagine that confirmation hearing...wow!

And she hasn't been disbarred, and the special prosecutors can't pin a thing on her. I think she'd go for it if someone close to her could make the case. I have a gut feeling Obama would play ball.

i would have no problem with her on the court but there is now way

Never say never. :)

Fanon's picture

What the hell is a drummie?

brithumeistheantichrist's picture

Man - Timmeh is going after Obama with double hearsay. REALLY powerful stuff.

carefulwiththatAXEeugene's picture

here's a question: what about the iraq oil going to multinationals!

Strawberrybitch's picture

dc @ 357:

PaxChaosium @ 324:

mms://a261.l2233650591.c22336.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/261/22336/v0001/reflector:50591

non-crappy streaming video

Please quit bitching about the the video.

If you can't see it, don't comment! It's disturbing. Fucking find a tv or something. Catch a rerun. STFU.

I love you too, you sweet understanding human being.

Mr Pelicano's picture

Yes! Will you join your fellow Democrats and kneel down to kiss the Zionist ring? The "special relationship" is one of supporting genocide against Palestinians and stealing their land. That's pretty "special".

Ryan's picture

Is Timmeh going to whip out a turbin and ask him to model it? What kind of crap link is that!

CalGeorge's picture

Ack!

Was that a pat on the back to Lieberman!?

EliteLemming's picture

Fanon @ 365:

What the hell is a drummie?

I guess sum folk call it a drummette, it leg lookin' piece of a chicken wing.

pinkobait's picture

Go Timmeh-its a Farakan Fest.
He's so notably tenacious with the follow questions when Dems are in the hot seat.Why is that?

Mr Pelicano's picture

Hey Timmeh! The majority of American Jews oppose the Iraq war and Zionist oppression. They don't support AIPAC and Likud.

Strawberrybitch's picture

Fanon @ 365:

What the hell is a drummie?

I'll take a wild guess and say it's something found on the Hooter's menu.

plastic's picture

carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 367:

here's a question: what about the iraq oil going to multinationals!

SHHHHHHHH

porkchop's picture

CalGeorge @ 371:

Ack!

Was that a pat on the back to Lieberman!?

If you're Lieberman, everything can either be seen as a pat on the back to Lieberman or an affront to Lieberman. That's not a Zionist thing per se, is just his royal douchery.

jospacy's picture

We need to move beyond zionism.

Che&#039;s Lounge's picture

Man what a pander fest.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Clinton just jumped in and defended herself on an attack on Obama.

She sucks.

Chicken Little - NOT!!'s picture

plastic @ 376:

carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 367:

here's a question: what about the iraq oil going to multinationals!

SHHHHHHHH

You're gonna' spoil the surprise.

EliteLemming's picture

Strawberrybitch @ 375:

Fanon @ 365:

What the hell is a drummie?

I'll take a wild guess and say it's something found on the Hooter's menu.

HOOTER'S? PLEASH I don't don't go for that conglomo chicken!

Mister Anderson's picture

LoL....Hillary saw a opening and it got throw back in her face!

"I object and renounce!"

Janet's picture

If Hillary is so "open" why hasn't she released her tax records? She will only do it IF she is nominated? Wouldn't that be a little late for anyone to make a judgement?

Timmeh is an ass, always. I bet there is not one politician of any flavor that hasn't known or does know someone that isn't pure or shady. Hillary received donations from someone that is now in prison. Big deal.

Reject or denounce? lol

Mr Pelicano's picture

Damn. She almost got him on hair-splitting semantics. But the crafty fellow weaseled his way out of it. Damn him! Damn him!

cf's picture

Linux Rules! Thanks for the link!!!!

mplayer -dumpstream

mms://a261.l2233650591.c22336.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/261/22336/v0001/reflector:50591

to keep a copy.

neamhni's picture

Wow... that was awesome.

Kim's picture

Gee, He's good. What a slam dunk on her petty "look at me" slant on the reject/denounce comment. How childish. We all knew what he meant.

Fanon's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 380:

Clinton just jumped in and defended herself on an attack on Obama.

She sucks.

Husbans says she couldn't bare to be quiet any longer.

brithumeistheantichrist's picture

I think I just saw a look on Hillary's face. It said, "Holy Shit. I'm debating the next President of the United States."

cc's picture

What a non-issue, "reject" vs. "denounce", Hillary tried to ride Obama's coattails on his Farrakhan response and he ended up showing how petty the quibbling over that particular word choice was.

VoR's picture

The reject and denouce thing? Good lord she's self-distructing.

Barrett D's picture

man, omaba is so good at tearing apart hilary's bullshit points. god damn her stupid semantic arguments.

craven morehead's picture

if I could just jump in here for a moment... I PERSONALLY gave 34 anti semites nipple twisters and frowned in the general direction of a group of skin heads that i saw once

jimt's picture

Five minutes and I had to shut it off. My blood pressure is under control without any medication, but this would have had me ready to pop. Is this all the Democrats have to offer?

Mr Pelicano's picture

So, explain to me again why all Americans can't have the same health care that the members of Congress have? Until both sides agree to kick the insurance companies to the curb or toss them under the bus I don't want to hear any more about their "solutions".

plastic's picture

man i am so tired of this healthcare debate

porkchop's picture

reciprocity @ 11:

msnbc vid player sux bigtime.

worst ever. this is what a concentrated media presence gets you. Don't forget it!

#$^#&%*!!!

Fanon's picture

neamhni @ 27:

Fanon @ 21:

neamhni @ 17:

Janet @ 13:
Hear Hear!! i don't even want to *know* what her rich-ass idea of "affordable" is!

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

What if i don't have a job? Or i run my own business?

That's the rub. That's the part she won't, or can't answer. There is some talk about fines when and if you do arrive seeking health care. A penalty. Which just means people will wait until they are in dire straits to seek care and drive up costs and on and on.

abarts's picture

don't spoil the end for me. I'll have to watch it when I get home from work at 1am. Then again at 3am. Then probably sometime over the weekend. In between segments of "Lockup".

xoites defends Constitution's picture

After this debate no President is EVER going to give her an Ambassadorship.

CalGeorge's picture

Babushka Blue @ 28:

Oh man! She is GLARING at him. I wonder if she's going to go off and start with the shrill talk. She's obviously trying to control her voice. Wait for it. Waaaaaait for it.....

She looks really pissed.

Barack! It's not Massatoosits.

Jeeez.

JM's picture

msnbc vid player working fine on my mac!!

Hail to the Chimp's picture

porkchop @ 39:

reciprocity @ 11:

msnbc vid player sux bigtime.

worst ever. this is what a concentrated media presence gets you. Don't forget it!

#$^#&%*!!!

The MSNBC player never works

ConcernedCanuck's picture

euthyfro @ 34:

most unlikely thing to happen, but i'd really like to see it:

at some point, it clicks in Senator Clinton's mind, screw these advisors, screw Bill. She concedes not after the primaries not tomorrow, but during this debate.
Senator Obama immediately turns to her & says: "Hillary, I need a real nuts & bolts solutions oriented person to help me implement the big policy changes our country needs. So I ask, would you be my running-mate?"
She agrees.
>hugs<
"Let's go fix our nation"
"I'm with you."

They spend the remaining scheduled msnbc time to thoroughly smack McCain around.
Party united, unstoppable ticket, the beginning of a 16 year era of Democratic presidents.

i should probably stop writing these scripts that'll never happen

Wow. I thought you were going to say they start necking and I was getting a little grossed out there! Phew!

plastic's picture

just let her go barack...lets move on

porkchop's picture

mo_dem @ 306:

Khasteh @ 288:

The streaming at

http://www.cleveland.com/live/video/

is working.

thank you! C & L will probably crash it now though lol.

once again, I must say three cheers for Khasteh. thank you for sharing a solid link!

gerald's picture

Reject and denounce is the best in any debate I've seen. He just got another 20% of the Ohio vote.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Hillary just made herself look like a teen aged girl.

RobertD's picture

pinkobait @ 373:

Go Timmeh-its a Farakan Fest.
He's so notably tenacious with the follow questions when Dems are in the hot seat.Why is that?

Forgive my naivete, but how does this line of questioning from Russert affect Ohio? Or Tejas, for that matter?

Fanon's picture

bear to be quiet....grrrrrrrrrr

Mr Pelicano's picture

I swear to Almighty Jehovah / Yaweh / God / Allah / Ganesha / et al but I hope I live to see the day when a mainstream politician stands up and denounces and rejects Israel's policy of confiscating other people's land and subjecting them to brutal occupation and abject misery.

mudshark's picture

I wouldn't be surprised if she wins this round of primaries..........she does have a large base.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Sheesh this thread is a lunatic bin. Where these people come from?

EliteLemming's picture

Anybody else think "ladders" is elitist?

pinkobait's picture

Mr Pelicano @ 385:

Damn. She almost got him on hair-splitting semantics. But the crafty fellow weaseled his way out of it. Damn him! Damn him!

She's definitely reachingggggggg......Her frustration is palpable.

steve's picture

Mr Pelicano @ 369:

Yes! Will you join your fellow Democrats and kneel down to kiss the Zionist ring? The "special relationship" is one of supporting genocide against Palestinians and stealing their land. That's pretty "special".

hate to bring up ron paul but he s right on this one....Israel has like a few hundred nukes and the US keeps arming everyone else in that area so let them work it out

elvisgoat's picture

v 1: speak out against; "He denounced the Nazis"

v 1: refuse to accept or acknowledge; "I reject the idea of
starting a war"; "The journal rejected the student's
paper"

Roger from Ohio's picture

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

Rico's picture

How in the hell is the Clinton campaign gonna spin themselves out of this one?

Quiet Burp's picture

Reject or denounce? What bull crap!
How about a question about holding the criminal Bush cartel accountable?

sooperpitcher's picture

brithumeistheantichrist @ 391:

I think I just saw a look on Hillary's face. It said, "Holy Shit. I'm debating the next President of the United States."

...and that next president is fast as a motherfucker.

EliteLemming's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 403:

Sheesh this thread is a lunatic bin. Where these people come from?

Wat u takin bout Willis?

mudshark's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 403:

Sheesh this thread is a lunatic bin. Where these people come from?

you got me?

elvisgoat's picture

elvisgoat @ 407:

denounce-
v 1: speak out against; "He denounced the Nazis"

reject -v 1: refuse to accept or acknowledge; "I reject the idea of
starting a war"; "The journal rejected the student's
paper"

Hulk's picture

Sure wish we could cut the "I support Israel" crap. I mean...I'm not against them, mind you, but I'm not exactly drawn to them and their policies toward the Palestinians, etc.

Could we just focus on the old USA for a bit longer?? How about we focus on America, eh?

Fanon's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 408:

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

Oh lord, cut the crap. Have a drummie....

cf's picture

mudshark @ 402:

I wouldn't be surprised if she wins this round of primaries..........she does have a large base.

If you translate that to arabic and then back to english using babelfish, the last two words are

fat ass

RobertD's picture

cc @ 392:

What a non-issue, "reject" vs. "denounce", Hillary tried to ride Obama's coattails on his Farrakhan response and he ended up showing how petty the quibbling over that particular word choice was.

OK, for the slow-at-home-computer people who have dial-up, explain, please.

dan's picture
1st

1st

Mr Pelicano's picture

The only way I would ever vote for John McCain is if he was being nominated for involuntary civil commitment. In such circumstances I would have no problem.

porkchop's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 403:

Sheesh this thread is a lunatic bin. Where these people come from?

We come from all sorts of places, my friend (to quote St. John) - we fix your fast food. We cut you off in traffic. We decide how big your raise will be. We pick whether or not you get audited. We care for your children. We sell your sex toys. We train your dogs. We write your laws. We don't take shit from the likes of you.

Snowball's picture

Erroll@351

I actually agree with most of what you say. The elite Washington consensus however is not all as extreme as are the Bush regime. Like most segments of our society, it has diverse elements, some are more moderate, some more radical. I believe that Obama, at worst, represents a more moderate and pragmatic wing that believes in diplomacy before engaging in war and adventurism. For McCain, the Republicans and elements of the Democratic party (in particular the DLC) belligerent nationalism and aggression is the first course of action. Obama is not my ideal, but he's better than any of the viable alternatives. We'll just have to live with that or acquiesce to allowing the most radically belligerent nationalist wing of elite Washington consensus retain power. The consequences of that, I think, are unimaginable and unacceptable.

TheEnticer's picture

kanan @ 158:

TheEnticer @ 143:

So this debate will divide us C&Lers into those who hate women vs those who hate 'change'.

Loving this!

nah, this debate will lead to Barack Obama being the Democratic Presidential Nominee

So you hate women.. I am disgusted by you... what have women done to you? Cant you see it has taken so long for us to find a woman who might actually have a chance? Dont we owe women?

Che&#039;s Lounge's picture

Has the word Corporation been uttered even once?

What about FISA and the telecomm immunity?

Who gives a fuck about Louis Farakan?

neamhni's picture

craven morehead @ 395:

if I could just jump in here for a moment... I PERSONALLY gave 34 anti semites nipple twisters and frowned in the general direction of a group of skin heads that i saw once

Go you!

pinkobait's picture

Oh no The "L" word!!
Obama's vigorously defending himself against the dreaded Liberal tag.Everybody run away!!!
Me? I'm a proud God Damned Liberal.

mudshark's picture

on this debate,I think the moderators are doing a good job.
They Should be asking hard questions.

plastic's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 408:

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

no, but i will tell you if clinton wins on super delegates i will not vote for clinton (or mccain) and i will change my party registration from D to I

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 408:

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

Yes, i will if she is. I am just hoping (ok, that gave away my liberal bias) that she is not.

Mr Pelicano's picture

Putin! Now there's a guy who knows how to get shit done. I'd vote for him over both these two. He'd have the Republicans rounded up and on their way to Siberia before Matt Drudge could figure out why Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly were shackled to him.

plastic's picture

dan @ 419:

1st

post of the night!

neamhni's picture

RobertD @ 33:

Folks, you all are our eyes and ears on this one. I don't have cable; can't get the stream to work, either.

Please give us what they're saying as far as their positions go because, frankly, the back-and-forth bickering (among us, I mean) doesn't help too much. Knowing what the candidates say, though, helps a lot.

Thanks.

i'll try to help you out- i'm watching it on tv.

So far, it's the healthcare debate.
It's nothing new... however, Clinton is arguing that Obama has a mandate in his policy, so there's no difference (his is for children, her's is for everyone).

whooka's picture

Man, this MSNBC stream is total crap.

Mr Pelicano's picture

Blah, blah, blah

Who has the biggest bandaid?

CalGeorge's picture

Eyes across the U.S. glazing over as they ONCE AGAIN repeat the SAME OLD talking points on health care.

RobertD's picture

neamhni @ 48:

RobertD @ 33:

Folks, you all are our eyes and ears on this one. I don't have cable; can't get the stream to work, either.

Please give us what they're saying as far as their positions go because, frankly, the back-and-forth bickering (among us, I mean) doesn't help too much. Knowing what the candidates say, though, helps a lot.

Thanks.

i'll try to help you out- i'm watching it on tv.

So far, it's the healthcare debate.
It's nothing new... however, Clinton is arguing that Obama has a mandate in his policy, so there's no difference (his is for children, her's is for everyone).

Thanks! : )

Mr Pelicano's picture

There she goes again with "premiums". Substitute "premium" for "tax" and you're on your way to single-payer and the insurance companies can cry in their beer.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

whooka @ 49:

Man, this MSNBC stream is total crap.

I even clicked on their "live blogging" link, and there is...wait for it......NO LIVE BLOGGING!! AH!

porkchop's picture

Hail to the Chimp @ 45:

porkchop @ 39:

reciprocity @ 11:

msnbc vid player sux bigtime.

worst ever. this is what a concentrated media presence gets you. Don't forget it!

#$^#&%*!!!

The MSNBC player never works

so if you have to make a budget choice between data streaming and 98 channels of utter garbage - don't count on getting either.

dc's picture

Go Insurance!!!
Bye, Bye paycheck.

Janet's picture

She just said "nearly covers everyone" and yet she said 2 minutes ago that "everyone" would be covered. Which is it?

plastic's picture

we should just let the market sort the healthcare issue out....

just kidding

Mr Pelicano's picture

Don't want to pick on HRC. Same goes with Mr. Obama.

neamhni's picture

Fanon @ 40:

neamhni @ 27:

Fanon @ 21:

neamhni @ 17:

The mandate will take it right out of your paycheck in a forced payroll deduction, that's one way.

What if i don't have a job? Or i run my own business?

That's the rub. That's the part she won't, or can't answer. There is some talk about fines when and if you do arrive seeking health care. A penalty. Which just means people will wait until they are in dire straits to seek care and drive up costs and on and on.

Right. i own my own business. And i'll be damned if i am legally *forced* to pay FINES for something I CAN'T AFFORD. That doesn't make any sense- "I'm going to make you pay for the fact that you can't pay for something." It's really expensive being poor.

EliteLemming's picture

Who's got the rules for the drinking game?

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Mr Pelicano @ 53:

There she goes again with "premiums". Substitute "premium" for "tax" and you're on your way to single-payer and the insurance companies can cry in their beer.

Oh ya, that would be universal, eh? Car insurance PREMIUM...Health Insurance PREMIUM........hmmmmmmmm...see no diff.

Phil's picture

I don't understand why so many of my fellow democrats are blind to the one most relevant fact about Hilary Clinton... her negative ratings are astronomical. She is more widely loathed than anyone we could have run not named Michael Moore... any ticket with her on it will LOSE.

If you like her, keep her in the senate where she has real power and a loyal electorate. Keep her away from national races. She will doom the democrats.

Mr Pelicano's picture

The market has sorted it out. Millions uncovered and crowding into emergency rooms. Gotta love that market.

Hail to the Chimp's picture

Someone tell her the Democratic nominee has been chosen and it is not her.

Barack just laid the smack down.

T.N. Morgan's picture

The MSNBC video feed is lousy. Almost constant buffering and dropouts.

plastic's picture

EliteLemming @ 61:

Who's got the rules for the drinking game?

if you have the word plan in your game your are dead already

jospacy's picture

Someone must have told her to stop being nice.

Babushka Blue's picture

EliteLemming @ 61:

Who's got the rules for the drinking game?

Rules schmulz after just 15 minutes of this, I'm ready to drink period.

Fanon's picture

OK, she just said, point of employment, point of contact with ANY government agency means you would "automatically" be enrolled. So, you will pay it in your taxes, your payroll tax, out of your welfare check, etc. How does this cover homeless people?

And she CHEATS as they said this was to be the last answer and she won't STFU!!!

EliteLemming's picture

plastic @ 67:

EliteLemming @ 61:

Who's got the rules for the drinking game?

if you have the word plan in your game your are dead already

Or, "let me just respond to that."

RobertD's picture

Fanon @ 416:

Roger from Ohio @ 408:

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

Oh lord, cut the crap. Have a drummie....

DING, DING, DING! Line of the night! LOL!

Jordan's picture

Ooh, HRC is flubbing the catch on the Russian successor question. Can Obama do better?

brithumeistheantichrist's picture

Medved?

mudshark's picture

cf @ 417:

mudshark @ 402:

I wouldn't be surprised if she wins this round of primaries..........she does have a large base.

If you translate that to arabic and then back to english using babelfish, the last two words are

fat ass

don't respond to my comments unless you have something semi intelligent to post.

cc's picture

Roger from Ohio @ 408:

IF Obama wins I will support him .....he will be a good president

If Clinton wins I will support her .... she will be a great president

My question to all of you Clinton haters

If Clinton is the nomination will u be voting for McCain?

I'm not a Clinton hater, I just have Clinton fatigue - there's been a Bush or a Clinton on every presidential ballot I've punched. I would vote for her in the GE if she were the Dem nominee, of course - McCain would be much worse.

It would be good if she could pronounce the name of the next Russian president properly, because I'm tired of having a president that can't speak properly.

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TheEnticer @ 423:

kanan @ 158:

TheEnticer @ 143:

So this debate will divide us C&Lers into those who hate women vs those who hate 'change'.

Loving this!

nah, this debate will lead to Barack Obama being the Democratic Presidential Nominee

So you hate women.. I am disgusted by you... what have women done to you? Cant you see it has taken so long for us to find a woman who might actually have a chance? Dont we owe women?

ur punny

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Quiet Burp @ 410:

Reject or denounce? What bull crap!
How about a question about holding the criminal Bush cartel accountable?

No! Farakan is much more powerful!

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