Huckabee Endorses "Egg As Person" Concept
By Nicole Belle Monday Feb 25, 2008 10:10am
While I was watching and transcribing Mike Huckabee's appearance on SNL this weekend, I kept thinking he is so good at being likeable that if you don't have a clear sense of what he really stands for, it would be easy to be swayed by Huckabee. But then a story like this comes down the wires and you realize that it is really, really important to know EXACTLY what candidates do stand for. Denver Post:
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee on Monday endorsed a proposed Colorado Human Life Amendment that would define personhood as a fertilized egg.
The former Arkansas governor and Baptist minister also supports a human-life amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Huckabee spoke favorably about the Colorado ballot initiative, sponsored by 20-year-old Kristi Burton and her Colorado for Equal Rights group, during his Friday visit to Colorado Springs.
On Monday, Huckabee lent official support to the measure.
"This proposed constitutional amendment will define a person as a human being from the moment life begins at conception," Huckabee said in a statement.
"With this amendment, Colorado has an opportunity to send a clear message that every human life has value," Huckabee said. "Passing this amendment will mean the people of Colorado will protect the sanctity of life from conception until natural death occurs."
Well, it's actually a little stickier than that, Huckabee. After all, would we consider a woman who had a miscarriage (also known medically as a "spontaneous abortion" *gasp*) a murderer? What if she conceives ectopically? Would the doctor who operates on her to remove the pregnancy so that the mother will not die also a murderer? Michael Froomkin points out another issue: citizenship.
Aside from the not-so-small point that citizenship is a federal issue and it is not clear from first principles whether the federal rule should or would follow the state rule, there’s obviously something powerful about this logic especially if the Colorado model were ever to be adopted on a national basis.
In that case, if a noncitizen female conceives a child in the US, presumably it would be wrong to deport the blastocyte or fetus. And that means we can’t deport the mother either. At least until the kid is born after which we are, as news reports from all over show, perfectly willing to deport mothers of small citizens if the mothers lack proper documentation.
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Since roughly 1/3 of pregnancies end in spontanious abortions (non-human engineered), will this proposed law, in effect, brand God as an outlaw?
So if, God forbid, a child is born with a disability, will they be investigating the mother and father for smoking or drinking or using drugs or other behaviors that may have led to that disability?
The fact that the fertilized egg is a person opens up the need for investigations into all kinds of things.
Give me a break Huckster!
These are people who believe Human Consciousness is a brain secretion. Or even possibly Testosterone.
Izzat you, Eggbert?
(bangs head into wall)
why are they so damn stupid??
why?????
Huckabee's frickin insane! What to do but join the insurgency....
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Howzabout a t-shirt that reads:
This is a human life in vitro
Do you want bacon and hashbrowns with it?
“With this amendment, Colorado has an opportunity to send a clear message that every human life has value,” Huckabee said. “Passing this amendment will mean the people of Colorado will protect the sanctity of life from conception until natural death occurs.”
Does this statement mean that Mr. Huckabee is now against the death penalty?
rjones2818 @ 1:
Nope. Not God but Darwin..
No wait... erm...
I'll never understand why Dobson, Robertson etc. didn't get behind the Huckster. Too f*ckin' crazy even for them?
You people are missing the bigger picture here. Will pregnant women be allowed to drive in the carpool lane?
He's just trying to rally the evangelicals.
They're gonna need all of them if the GOP has any chance. Hucakabee is going on the ticket. Period. Not even open to debate.
This could very well be a very defining moment for the GOP and the nation as a whole.
If Obama wins the WH, and the rest of the stars align correctly...clear Dem majorities in both houses of Congress, then you may actually see troop levels significantly reduced in Iraq, a new rise in diplomacy in the Middle East, the budget getting as near as possible to "balance" with a distinct swing (not gross, but distinct) away from corporatism and toward a more progressive and middle american based agenda (possibly universal healthcare, tax relief for the middle made up by higher taxes on corporations [with incentives to bring jobs back to the US], Pell grants increased, primary school "vouchers" for LOWER income families and I mean LOW, increased revenue towards infrastructure repair and probably a "disaster relief bill" to increase funds to FEMA but likely with loopholes to allow more funds into New Orleans to put the distressed areas back together.
That happens, the GOP will be back in the political wilderness for another 30 years and in the hands of the shrill nutcases. Then you will see mainstream Republicans screaming for the need for a third party! LOL! Won't that be a hoot.
Why stop there? Let's make sperm human beings.
Then every male who masturbates will be guilty of mass murder.
He did spend the weekend with Dobson and his crew getting a new injection of Koolaide and it's been a long winter in the hills...
I love it when IQ's go below zero....
Could we possibly get any more anti-science in this country?
I’ll never understand why Dobson, Robertson etc. didn’t get behind the Huckster.
One word: Competition. Backing him makes them junior partners, something they won't countenance. And if he were to get the nomination and then lose the general, this would also diminish them.
Omzir McKay @ 8:
Maybe he's anti-war.
damn, i'm really gonna miss my bacon EGG and cheese sandwiches.... thanks preacher boy.
The reason Huckabee is a good actor on shows like SNL is because he is a preacher. That's what preachers do, they act and play a role.
A fertilized egg is a human being. How can that be considered a sane statement? Does he really and truly believe such foolishness or is he once again, "acting".
No one who believes in the death penalty can convince me that they believe all life is sacred. Not gonna happen.
This has bad news written all over it just like many of Huckabee's amendments and ideas. Follow through with this if it became law and we could see a whole host of people in prison who otherwise would not be there. We could also see a rapid increase in orphans and an entire possibly criminal underground industry that will cater to the needs of those that Huckabee wishes to persecute for their so called "crimes".
Even though I'm pro-choice, there's a part of me that's for this. Think about it, if this comes to pass I could get a freezer full of fertilized eggs and claim them all as dependents. Not only would I not have to pay any taxes, but with the $300 per child rebate coming up I could make a few hundred thousand dollars.
Mr Pelicano @ 11:
Yep and buy two tickets when they fly too. Going to the movies? Two tickets required. Gonna be pretty expensive for the mommies-to-be.
Cool! I can freely use the HOV lane just by saying, "I'm pregnant".
Can this "person" be claimed as a Dependent on one's tax return - never mind driving in the car pool lanes!
Does this mean I can order scrambled people and bacon at IHOP?
Kum-bai-fuckin'-yah.
Does this stupid shit extend to the death penalty?
No?
Then shut the fuck up, you stupid freekin' hillbilly.
Even Jesus would lose control and beat his ass.
Religion: turning wrong to right for over 5,000 years.
Big D @ 21:
Now there is a possible outcome I didn't even consider. Damn good idea!
Ok, will this mean that every woman at the time of her first period will have to have a tiny camera inserted into her uterus in order to detect the EXACT moment of fertilization? And who wouldn't want and love that job, being the official "womb watcher" of America? Talk about Big Brother... millions of tiny tv screens with the goings on in all the wombs of American women. Menses would be a blast!
Huckabee seems like a nice enough bloke, but Im sick of his analogies, every times he's asked a question he always turns to a analogy "well thats like saying [insert analogy here] ", he should just go now and let everyone concentrate of pointing out what a complete fraud John McCainiac is.
Are sperm to be protected too? After all, you can't get a fertilized egg without them.
American Taliban here we come. We must watch out for this man - he is little better than a blatantly greedy televangelist.
His agenda is primarily to turn the country into a christian theocracy - and this commentary is just another example of how he intends to do it.
Would a human life amendment to the Constitution make sending people to war un-Constitutional, Mr Huckabee? What about the death penalty?
I have always wondered why people are more concerned about a zygote than an actual flesh and blood child. I wonder how many kids, living, breathing children, go hungry every night in Colorado (where this proposal is coming from)? How many kids live below the poverty line, sleep in shelter's? How many have adequate health care and dental care? How many are abused, neglected and abandoned?
On a side note, isn't Colorado Springs home to a community of polygamists?
I'm designing a new line of clothing to fit zygotes. And life/health insurance - if you don't pay extra, the egg ain't covered.
Lets see... where else can we take this. Is sex with a pregnant woman child abuse?
i just threw up in my mouth a little bit when i read this. I mean come on, this guy still thinks he's campaigning. this country has so many other issues we need to talk about other than this right now.
Craig @ 34:
No, just hillbilly sex.
just by some of the comments (mine included) you can already see people thinking about how to profit or get around Huckabee's amendment and this is just the start. I can see lawsuits, new insurance requirements, new crimes, new scams and who knows what else popping up all over the place. Everyone will get in on this I can see that now.
Marcus,
You could use a marble as your model. Easy clothes to make, I would think. No need for sleeves or pant legs.
As for life insurance, if I miscarry, do I get to re-coup the "future earnings" part of the life insurance? Because I'm pretty sure my zygote was gonna be RICH. Now, pay me.
Big D @ 21:
Great comment 'Bid D'! Highly creative, and I suggest we all do the same thing. LOL
shmuckabee is an embarrassment to the human race. He'd make an excellent poster child for abortion. The best thing I can say about these ass backward morons who want to frog march us into the second dark age is that they're all mortal and will eventually be six feet under. If only the stupid they carry would die with them.
Well if a woman got pregnant and didn't want the baby, could she have the fertilized egg surgically removed and send it to Mr. Huckabee? I'm sure there are ways to keep it going until it reached him. And since all life is precious, let him find a woman he could surgically implant with the zygote and let her carry the little critter full term.
Huckabee appears to have a pleasant personality and I'd probably wouldn't mind having a beer with him......so I put my size twelve up his fanatical hillbilly ass.
No more morning-after pills for you, suckers!
As for me, I'm a man. Moo hoo ha ha!
And what about women who are diagnosed with leukemia while they are pregnant? Can't have any chemotherapy while pregnant.
ysbaddaden @ 17:
Of course he's not. He said previously that this is a "theocratic war," so while God blesses every fertilized eggs, Muslims aren't really people.
Meat @ 43
That means child support starts the morning-after. MOo HOooo hahahahahahahah!
According to him, if I eat a fertile chicken egg, I have eaten a chicken.
Fanon @ 46:
Good one, Fanon!!
This doesn't even follow the bible's interpretation of when "life" begins. No where in the bible does it mention a fetus being a human. I used to have links that take this argument apart, using references from the bible, but they were lost in my last PC crash of 2007. However, they're easy enough to find if anyone cares to use Huck's bible to refute his assertions.
Heh, I thought this man knew his bible? Thou shalt not kill...he must have skipped over that part too.
every sperm is sacred...every sperm is gooood.
you know that this means that every woman who has a period will be charged with murder....
make way for the gays!
they took our jobs!
How would we know what to call this "person" at the moment of conception, since we don't know what sex it's going to be. Would it need a SS #? How exactly would we know the moment of conception? Would the couple have to write down the time of ejaculation so one would know it's birthday? (Not that conception occurs immediately if at all) If this passes, what has happened to this Country?
pissed off patricia @ 48:
;)
Meat @ 45:
That brings to mind an interesting thought. What if that fertilized egg comes from a Muslim woman? Is that egg to be declared a "enemy combatant" and sent to Gitmo under a Huckabee regime?
Boy, talk about opening a new can of worms - Huck did!!!
He still thinks he's campaigning? What's his slogan? "dumber than dubya with twice as much jebus!" ??
Liberal AND Proud @ 12:
Yeah except the Dems aren't going to win, because we're still voting McCain & Diebold in 08.
According to the Hickabeast, any fertilized egg is now a sentient person, complete with lifelike 'soul'? Including chickens, turtles and snakes? He is the Surrealist candidate.
Joe O. @ 54:
And having to provide them with miniature Korans would make it a logistical nightmare.
Colorado is full of crazy pro-life peeps. They hijacked the "Respect Life" car plates that were made to support the Columbine High School shooting victims.
As others have posted now "Every sperm is sacred."
They think of this magical process as being so simple. Sperm hits egg, god sends down a soul, person created. At what point in the actual process do they consider the egg "fertilized"?
missmarple @ 52:
you could call it a ward of the state. hey, he wants it, he's got it.
I'm pro choice, not pro abortion and i'm a man. this needs to be a issue women decide. I will never have to have an abortion, nor could i ever make a woman get one. so why should i get to vote on it.
ysbaddaden @ 7:
LOL.....thanx for the chuckle
ADD TO #62
actually I know why i would vote on it but that's a whole different discussion
This may be OT. I'm not sure. This is the idiot thread, right?
WTF?
katsmeow @ 49:
Ah... here is the rub. If you go by the bible, according to Exodus 21:22-23, Leviticus 27:6 and Numbers 3-15:16 a fetus has no worth and isn't a human being until it's been alive outside the mother for a month , and add to that, the biblical penalty for abortion so long as the mother isn't hurt by it is a fine determined by a judge (as in you will pay me 10 bucks).
The fact that all these bible thumpers want to preserve SOME lives and not others is something I've brought up many times. Like they wet themselves over poor aborted babies in this country, yet they could give a rats fucking ass over the one million plus Iraqis their President's war has murdered. I've brought these facts up so many damned times with fetus fetishist bloggers that I'm starting to think I should make a macro out of it so I can just copy and paste. But the truth of the matter is that the right wingers just don't care. They see the bible as a tool to push the manufactured ideology on other people ( I say manufactured because just for one example of many bastardizations of the biblical teachings, Christ didn't preach a Prosperity gospel ). It's actually a pretty good tool to use for that because few people have actually READ it, fewer really understand it, even translated into English as it is these days. It contradicts itself in so many places that it can be used to literally justify almost anything you want just by yelling the correct verses loudly from a pulpit at some gullible idiots.
You can read the verses: here
nkd @ 2:
Aha! a new litigation opportunity, born minor's suits against parents who smoked or drank while we were in utero. And it will coordinate so well with plans by Mastercard and Visa to immediately start sending unsolicited "no-interest until 2 years old" introductory credit card accounts to all of the newly-declared persons, too!
Is it retroactive? If passed, do all formerly 61.25 year old Coloradoans become eligible for retirement with the stroke of a pen? No fiscal impact there, is it?
Come on, run with it! The list of unconsidered implications by this crowd is lengthy. Start identifying 'em people.
Liberal AND Proud @ 12:
You are not going to see any of this fantasy come true if this guy is right:
http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=970&thisvie...
Well, let's not look at the glass as being 'half empty.' He did say 'natural death' - perhaps that will stop all that Terry Schivago-esque court injunctions against stopping life support for brain dead patients. Or, it is only a 'natural death' when 'god' hurls a lightening bolt at the hospital and fries the equipment? I think we should demand a clarification here!
Looks like the GOP might hijack 'Brain Dead' at well.
In answer to the question raised in the main post, I assume a miscarriage would be considered involuntary manslaughter and not murder. I regret giving anything related to this stupid proposal that much thought. As for the rest of you, you're brilliant with some of these insights and ideas. Keep it up.
pissed off patricia @ 47:
Just like eating ketchup is a vegetable in schools if I remember Saint Ronnie's proposal.
Sunday when the discussion was about a presidential run by Nader and I pointed out that this election was to important to waste time, money, and votes just to make yourself to feel good. The Supreme Court was reason enough alone to vote for a Democrat. The issue of choice is at stake. I was attacked as a racist because somehow I was putting the rights of women in the United States over the brown people in Iraq. I wish the Democratic party were on a whole more progressive but at this point the very future of the US is at stake. We will turn even more Fascist if a Republican becomes president.
Would someone please stand up and challenge these people when they make unsubstantiated claims like this? Where is your proof, Huckaberry? Where is your evidence that life begins at conception? Any scientists willing to stand up alongside you and support your claim? No? Didn't think so.
Until the anti-abortion movement started this latest affront to common sense, no one believed that life began at conception - not even the Church.
Why, oh why are Americans so stupid? They will believe anything so long as it wraps itself in the flag and claims to be Christian.
I endorse the "Huckabee as shithead" concept.
Schmuckabee is just an example of what happens when the Big Lie of religion takes over peoples' minds and oozes into government. If this moron thinks blastocytes are "people", maybe when he needs to build a house he should try using acorns. All this aside from the earth's severe overpopulation problems.
The Constitution says life begins at birth.
The Constitutional requirements for president are a natural born citizen.
In other words, if an pregnant American woman goes to visit Canada, goes into pre-term labor and delivers in Canada, that child can never be president, despite being a fetus in the United States up to that point.
You'd have to change the Constitution.
This is what cracks me up about the pro-lifers.
Abortion is nothing new. The coat-hanger method and several herbal methods of terminating a pregnancy have been around for thousands of years. When Jesus was alive, abortion was a common practice in Judea. Yet, Jesus does not mention abortion one time. Apparently, Jesus was cool with abortion. A prominent Roman physician named Soranus wrote a book on how to do abortions. Back in the days of Jesus; abortion was seen as a good thing. It kept the population down. It kept people from starving to death.
It's time to stop giving air time and attention to this smarmy creationist.
anon @ 71:
this just proves it. John Belushi was a true Nostradomous and knew what Huckabee was going to state years before Huckabee stated it. In Blues Brothers Belushi's character "Jake" asked for four fried chickens and a coke. In reality, "Jake" was asking for four fried eggs and a coke. lol
leftiegirl @ 13:
"Every little sperm is precious" -Monty Python
Hey this has television potential ala CHIPS. I see it now: The Colorado Womb Patrol. A team of crack enforcement gynecologist's (sorry) checking zygote's for viability. Stop in the name of the Huck.
ysbaddaden @ 17:
And supports child healthcare.
pissed off patricia @ 47:
There are so many places to go with that comment...but I won't! I won't! You can't make me!!!
Fanon @ 32:
Once the kid is born, who cares? Put 'em in orphanages if need be ala Newtie. Of course they could be used as a food source to make them useful to society at that point as in Jonathon Swift's satircal "A Modest Proposal."
Catch 22.
Who bets that once a woman takes a medication that kills her unborn that the company behind it won't be held liable?
Let's not forget that some far right loonies consider the birth control pill abortion. So, will the pill be banned shortly after this bill passes? What about the women that use it for medical purposes, etc?
Leave. Women. Alone. Shithead.
now I'm sitting in this waiting room
playing with the toys
and I am here to exercise
my freedom of choice
I passed their handheld signs
went through their picket lines
they gathered when they saw me coming
they shouted when they saw me cross
I said why don't you go home
just leave me alone
I'm just another woman lost
you are like fish in the water
who don't know that they are wet
as far as I can tell
the world isn't perfect yet
his bored eyes were obscene
on his denim thighs a magazine
I wish he'd never come here with me
in fact I wish he'd never come near me
I wish his shoulder
wasn't touching mine
I am growing older
waiting in this line
some of lifes best lessons
are learned at the worst times
under the fierce flourescent
she offered her hand for me to hold
she offered stability and calm
and I was crushing her palm
through the pinch pull wincing
my smile unconvincing
on that sterile battlefield that sees
only casualties
never heros
my heart hit absolute zero
Lucille, your voice still sounds in me
mine was a relatively easy tragedy
now the profile of our country
looks a little less hard nosed
but that picket line persisted
and that clinic's since been closed
they keep pounding their fists on reality
hoping it will break
but I don't think there's a one of us
leads a life free of mistakes
- Ani Difranco
In the event of an ectopic pregnancy, the mother needs only to press charges against the fertilized egg for attempted manslaughter. If it is found guilty, it will be removed to the prison system. The only difficulty will be in assembling the jury of its peers.
Even though we are pretty damned close . . . sit back and think of America in twenty years if these people are in charge. Now get the fuck out and vote and drag all your friends with you.
I would like to propose an Amendment to the Constitution that would seperate Church and State.
Oh, wait. We already have one.
Mother of god, I knew he would stoop to that level. I said it in a comment somewhere months ago, and jesus tapdancing christ he actually went there.
madrone @ 88:
That's not the only difficulty. How are you going to handcuff the little bastard and interrogate him/her?
Chuck @ 77:
Everything you said is correct in my opinion. Jesus may not have liked what was occurring but as many have stated "God" gave each person the right to choose in all things that they do be it right or wrong and I suppose one could say Jesus also gave people that option during his time. Evangelicals like Huckabee leave people no choices.
1.2 million dead Iraqis attest to America's lack of respect for the dignity of human life. Further indignity is heaped on by giving corporations personhood.
anon @ 92:
Micro-waterboarding?
"But officer, I'm pregnant, so I have every right to be in the fast lane. You're not going to oppose God's will, are you?"
"But officer, my wife is pregnant, so when I ride alone, I ride with that little person in my thoughts. If you give me a ticket, God will kill a kitten. You wouldn't want that, would you?"
Huckabee is indeed very good at making himself APPEAR likeable, but he is responsible for releasing from prison (or rather, for secretly arranging to release) a man who went on to rape and kill two women. Huckabee had been warned of this by the man's victims, but has since tried to suppressed the evidence for this. Since this rapist/murderer had admitted taking part in the murder of his ex-wife's boyfriend and attacking a teenage woman in a parking lot, prior to his convinction for rape, any reasonable person would have heeded the warnings.
madrone @ 88:
Then put hit in a dozen cardboard holder in the egg section of the grocery store.
If reich-wingers had their way, masturbation would be illegal because they would define gametes (i.e. egg or sperm) as "life". Reich-wingers = ass clowns. Fact.
That would be called putting him into the cooler.
Zenrage @ 15:
By continuing to allow the anti-fact reich-wingers to be heard.
Proud American Liberal @ 80:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8&feature=related
Mike Huckabee, unfair to unfertilized eggs! We demand our rights!
Aren't most fertility clinics in big cities? That means all those fertilized zygotes sitting in the dewars of liquid nitrogen will count toward determining representation in the House of Representatives, meaning more urban representation. I see that as a good thing!
So, since many women conceive then have "spontaneous abortions" would that be considered suicide by the fertilized ovum? I mean, person?
Unless they are Muslim...
This has already been said, certainly by George Carlin, but this law would make almost any woman who's had sex and has had more than 3 or 4 periods a murderer.
He is the Eggman, He is the Eggman, is he the walrus? Koo koo ka choo?
ysbaddaden @ 7:
teralulz!
after he put up his hand to identify himself as someone who doesn't "believe in evolution", no one should be surprised by his idiotological policy initiatives...
sure, he seems like a nice guy on the surface... so does bush... but, that doesn't seem to prevent people from mindlessly fawning over their favored candidate...
Every "miscarriage" will require a Criminal investigation.
Ah Ha!!! You didn't follow the Dr's. instructions on medicine, diet, or exercise therefore you murdered your baby.
Off to Jail with you!!!
Oh Wait! It's called appeal. Yep after all the BS an appeal to federal courts and the criminal complaint will get tossed out.
Republicans wrote, passed, and Bush signed into law, in their infinite wisdom, creating the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act". So stating, a mother or her designate, abortionist, can legally murder her unborn child.
The Hucksters support of a State Constitutional Change is a waste of time and tax payers money.
Forget "when does human life begin?" When does intelligence begin?
nkd @ 2:
No, only the mother. That's how they think. O, how I despise these people.
Joementum @ 10:
Too liberal for them, believe it or not. There was concern that he allowed taxes to be raised while governor and showed some official compassion for the less fortunate. You know, socialism. And Jesus hates socialism most of all!
Carrying pHuck-a-bee's comment a step further, is every acorn an oak tree? If you burn a bunch will you be burning a forest?
Fanon @ 46:
Not if I change my name to Pablo Guevera and move to Mexico!
Seriously though, it's petty obvious which gender often gets the raw end of the deal when it comes to 'surprise' pregnancies and dudes who don't want to stick around...
pissed off patricia @ 30:
More importantly, will they be dependents? If they are then I'm due a FAT tax refund.
Goo as life......(sigh)....And Hucklebee supports this tripe...
And how much longer before someone decides to seriously raise the issue of sperm as life? Like maybe another moronic 20 year old with too much religous brainwashing and too little critical thinking applied to this question...
And how will parents feel with seeing their young 8 to 12 year old boys brought up on charges of murder or moral terpitude by some busybody cop because little Johnny or Joey was caught doing what little Johnny's and Joey's have been wont to do for ages when puberty is coming on by some praise Jeeebus religiofascist? ....
Jesus, this just about the stupidest of all the stupid shit these insane evangelicals have tried to force down everyones throat lately.... Lately but not exclusively .... God I'm sick to death of these morality busybody holier than thou church cops trying to tell me how to live my fucking life.... And that's just the emotional side of it, without the all the murky gray areas of legalities let alone the other financial and logical science issues tied to this irrational bullshit.....JD
Every Sperm is Sacred lyrics and Video.
"I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments!"
This Colorado HLA should be great for my taxes!. I'll move to CO, adopt a 10,000 frozen embryos from a fertility clinic (who then become my dependent children) and then write then off as exemptions on my tax bill. Lets see:
$3,400 per exemption x 10,000 = $34,000,000 that I can write off on my taxes!!!
I hope CO has a budget surplus!
rjones2818 @ 1:
That's a sticky issue in the arguement.
ALSO. At what point in the process fertilization or conception actually occur.
There seem to be a number of steps and life is not guaranteed for a long time after.
Step 1: Sperm lands on egg ( the lucky one). All the other ones croaked.
Step 2. Sperm Penetrates the egg.
Step 3. egg with sperm travel down the fallopian tube ( several days)
Step 4. Egg attaches itself to uterus.
Step 5: further growth
At what time is conception ? Until Step #5 is achieved nothing will happen
and you still have to wait a few months to be sure.
Why stop with Conception; aren't Sperm alive and living organisms?
Heaven forbid a Wet Dream or masturbation becomes a murder plot.
Um I disagree with Huckabee, but people, read that sentence again.
A miscarriage is a natural death. Can we find something else to complain about?
Re: #103
Fertility clinics would eventually be outlawed. In vitro would "kill" more "persons" than it creates. Don't know how they justify the whole "snowflake" baby thing in their heads. Who is responsible for the "deaths" that have to happen in order to implant one blastocyst?
In case you aren't familiar with IV... 5-8 (I think) eggs have to be placed in the uterus in hopes that 1 will implant. And that 1 is not a guarantee.
Rusty Shackleford @ 113:
If you want to think of Jesus as a real person then whatever.
But, the Bible would be against socialism since it involves involuntary transfer of wealth. It is considered covetous and thus would violate the commandment against coveting they neighbors stuff.
When charity is voluntary, that's when the baby Jesus smiles.
Or whatever.
The Bible is also against greed, one of the seven deadly sins, that wealthy republicans excel at.
gempei @ 107:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOKvonLrH8
ysbaddaden @ 125:
No one said these "people" were consistent.
Once again, the aristocracy sadly attempts to treat human beings as cattle which they own to be bred as they wish.
Take your plantation mentality elsewhere, it does not belong in a democracy.
The stench of Christian hypocrisy is overwhelming arguing for breeding control while at the same time commiting genocide in an atrocious war.
It's not; "Thou shalt not kill eggs, but it's O.K. to kill brown people for their oil"
It's; "Thou shalt not kill." Period.
Of course, this credo is coming from the Christian god, one of the most blood thirsty in all of mythology.
Dale @ 111:
I'm Still waiting for intelligence to strike some Right Wingers.
It used to be that being an "egghead" meant you were smart. No longer will that be true.
An "alleged miscarriage"?????
Thats exactly what RU-486 use is going to look like.
And since a person, an American citizen has died, we are going to have CSI-Miscarriage!
Bill @ 131:
Is that a miscarriage of justice, then?
Save Our Troops @ 127:
You mean like this?
http://www.stickergiant.com/Republicans-are-People_y8065.html
Save Our Troops @ 122:
Actually, the "until natural death occurs" part really bugs me, too. So, is that the natural death that would have occurred before I intervened and put you an a ventilator, feeding tube, IV drip, etc. Or, the natural death that will occur when all of those interventions have been deemed futile, and I withdraw them? Will I be allowed to withdraw them? Or, will that be considered causing an unnatural death (even though, I am supporting your life in a n unnatural way)?
There. I found something new to complain about. Happy?
ysbaddaden @ 125:
... and gluttony, his whole family seems to be grossly over weight. Heck, Fuckabee was a lardass until he got diabetes and figured he better lose weight pronto or he may start to push the daisies.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/images/photo-huprckabee-faprmily.jpg
Save Our Troops @ 124:
I believe the Bible can be made to "say" whatever the speaker wants it to say, since it is basically a giant wad of contradiction.
Save Our Troops @ 124:
Actually that is not socialism, that is expropriation two very different concepts. But thanks for playing...
Furthermore, covetous mean "greed" not "involuntary transfer." In your push to condemn socialism you actually defined capitalism. Which actually violates Christian doctrine. But, you would never hear from the very "Christian" robber baron oligarchy that makes up the GOP....
The Dude @ 135:
Dude! That is one of the scariest family photos I've ever seen! What a bunch of squirrel eatin' backwoods hicks!
The Dude @ 135:
Is it just me? That dawg looks nervous.
He probably high-tails it to the hinterlands when anyone in the family reaches for a jar of mustard.
Bill @ 131:
Is Ru-486 a kissing-cousin of C3PO and R2D2?
greg white @ 128:
Actually, I think the people of the Old and New Testaments only applied their ethical rules for those of their own.
The idea that they had some prevailing sense of morality is what's causing the developmentally disabled to claim they influenced modern Democracy and human rights.
Scrambled chickens, anyone? Maybe chickens benedict?
Here ya go, just for accounting purposes
http://www.twopaths.com/faq_seven_deadly.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sa-4A7RrP8
Corporations are currently persons, so maybe we could work out an egg for a corporation offset ...... it might work out, unless ........ oh darn, forget that ........ under the Huckster's plan eggs would probably be eligible to make campaign contributions to exercise their right of free speech ......... I guess the yolk's on me ...........
Last year, I was visiting family in the Midwest for the holidays, where I discovered they were giving Christmas gifts (including a stocking by the chimney) for my niece's 3mo fetus.
Yes. The child won't even be born until June, but s/he was on everyone's gift list.
Words fail.
Fuckin A. Just when I thought my home state was finally breaking blue and gaining some sense, they have to go and do this. Come on Mile Highers-- don't let the south rise again and let this get past the Springs.
How many wheels does a miscarriage have? Does one need to buy tires?
And I am endorsing the "Mike Huckabee as a douchebag" concept. Seriously, it would take a bonafide miracle for this jerk-off to win the nomination. Why doesn't he just give up?
ysbaddaden @ 139:
He's probably waiting for junior to hang and torture him.
Huckabee is a nut job with a sense of humor...be afraid, be very very afraid!
Because the devil can have a real charm about him but he's still the devil.
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