Company Sued for <i>Waterboarding</i> the sales team
I bet you Jonathan Hoenig would agree that a company can waterboard you for a little added motivation.
A supervisor at a motivational coaching business in Provo is accused of waterboarding an employee in front of his sales team to demonstrate that they should work as hard on sales as the employee had worked to breathe.
In a lawsuit filed last month, former Prosper, Inc. salesman Chad Hudgens alleges his managers also allowed the supervisor to draw mustaches on employees' faces, take away their chairs and beat on their desks with a wooden paddle "because it resulted in increased revenues for the company."
Prosper president Dave Ellis responded that the allegations amount to "sensationalized" versions of events that have gone uncorroborated by Hudgens' former coworkers...read on
Did Alberto and Rummy give that supervisor a standing ovation?
If the supervisor used water torture on anyone he deserves to go to jail and loose a shit load of money.
This is my puppy... er... employee, and I can bash his brains out against a sink if I want to. Not that I'd do that.
The U.S. is not a forgiving ,compassionate country anymore.
The best way to deal with an asshole boss is to get all the employees, follow the SOB home, kick the shit out of him. I guarantee the next day the boss will show up to work all black and blue with a new attitude.
Is it me or is this a sign of the spread of torture? Or rather, the spread of the mentality that torture is acceptable or that the term "torture" is very, very selective?
Starts in the government, then down to the people.
Sales...... I always knew I had a good reason not to go into sales... Err besides the fact that everyone I ever knew who did that line of work always looked haunted in some kind of weird way to me... Some of them lived in great houses and had lots of toys... But they just didn't look like life was any fun for them anymore...
Waterboarding ehh... Put's a whole new spin on 'Death of a Salesman'....And poor Willy thought he had it rough.............. JD
sully18 @ 3:
If the guy did it and he gets away with it I'll have to agree with you.
Waterboarding saves lives. Jesus was told that one of his disciples would betray him. If he'd waterboarded them all, Judas would have confessed, along with all the others, and Jesus might still alive today.
It's only a matter of time before we get reports of youngsters and school kids trying it. Wait and see. That's the slippery slope. Do it, talk about it, say it's OK, show video demonstrations on internet, say, "It's a frat boy prank." Presto, kids are doing it.
Next week for our seminar we'll be sodomizing the staff with glow-sticks.
-The Management
What total bullshit! I thought my job was bad. Damn, do you really need the money that much? Maybe go into farming? And what asshole managers - I need a bigger bonus, work harder.
I agree with CD: jail time.
And yet another example of how shit floats to the top.
Chuck @ 4:
It will come to that eventually if he gets away with this kind of crap. What kind of moron does this? I would hit him so hard, his brain would skip a week or three.
We are all diseased sick-fucks in this corporate whore of a country. I'm moving to Norway. Does any one want my stuff?
Spud @ 14:
Whatcha got? LOL!
Spud @ 14:
No. It could be tainted.
guys, what's the big deal? It's just waterboarding. It's not like it's torture or anything...
Oh...right.
Geez.
I woulda quit after the mustache drawing and chair stunt.
Actually, I would've quit right before the mustache drawing and chair stunt.
F*@k 'em.
No job is worth that. It's not like you can't get another job in sales...
Edwin @ 16:
I'm bringing my taint with me.
They seem to have turned their server off. I tried to write to congratulate them.
these companies and supv that do this kind of crap to their
employees always deny any wrong. pack of bastard liars.
I think Hasbro has the game version coming out. Soon to be a reality challenge gameshow.
I was thinking of opening an espresso boarding shop where you have steaming hot cappucino poured down your nostrils.
Spud @ 14:
What, your Krohnengen Brass Band CD's?
No thanks.
This has to be an Onion article. I mean, come on. David Mamet couldn't dream that up for his fictional sales force.
What a Man!
Perfect for Bushes Murica'
I live in Utah and its isn't a shocker at all that this kind of idiocy occurred in Utah county. Utah County is probably the only place in the nation where bush has more then 45% approval. Utah county, Utah = Retard land.
How can this possibly be a real story? How can people suggest these things seriously? Are you sure this didn't originate at the Onion or something?
Spud @ 19:
How true! We all bring our taint with us.
Its hard to believe they still have employees. I bet pretty soon most of them will be receiving checks and staying home.
Wur' doin it for ur own good. Make a MAN out a ya! Teach ya' bout the real world. And it builds character.
Mark @ 26:
PROVO!!!
Is Steve Young mayor of that place?
Another example of "US army innovation" being used in civilian life? Kind of like NASA and Tang.
Imagine if this had happened to one of Prosper Inc's clients (the folks who go to coaching workshops and seminars)?
No sensitivity training permitted in the Empire.
oakling @ 27:
It appears at FOXnews.com. It must be true.
Now that's hard core, I want that guy on my team!
Somebody should have pointed this out already, but.....This guy is looking at the death penalty:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002340---A000-.html
§ 2340A. Torture
(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.
Torturing people, say it with me folks, is ILLEGAL. Seriously, seriously illegal.
Especially if you're a fucking sales manager.
John H @ 35:
Yes nothing like motivating your employees to hate your guts what a winning concept.
broadsword @ 36:
But he's building "team spirit".
Dhalgren @ 24:
If this is real, I'd love to see a lawsuit come out of it! Maybe it could go all the way to the supreme court and win, and then the government would really look bad for waterboarding detainees.
Oh wait... The supreme court wouldn't help at all!
So I guess we'll all just kick back and wait for the employee waterboarding motivational retreats. They can't be that far down the road. Maybe they'll attach some electrodes to your naughty bits, right in the comfort of your cubicle, that shock you whenever you try and use the internet for non-work reasons!
No pain no gain right?
Read the linked-to article: There was no rag over the face and no Saran wrap (the latter of which is what makes waterboarding really evil). So this was Waterboarding Lite.
http://www.bigcynic.com/2008/01/is-it-torture-n.html
Ahhh, So this is the New American Century that those PNAC/NeoCon guys are always talking about behind closed doors.
What the heck, if the govamint kin do it ...
Things are going more and more toward the insane back there in America it looks like.
LOL!
Oh my thats rich.
Soon it will be writ into Law that "the Employer reserves the right to WATER BOARD the employees".You can't make this stuff up.
pinkobait @ 42:
Or beat up unruly employees. Well I smacked that sucker right up the side of the head for daring to question my authority! No one tells me whats a good plan and a bad plan. I make that decision! I'm the BOSS!
LOL, does the fucker thinks he is Blake from Glengary Glen Ross or what?
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Jack Bowers on "24" ...
"Prison Break" latest episodes ...
Torture is fun and entertaining.
Torture is an every day event.
Torture is what America does.
Torture is patriotic...
The normalization of inhumane treatment we witness in our daily lives makes immune to it's effect.
Witness how this Supervisor in this article mimics what he assumed to be "NORMAL" and "ACCEPTABLE" behavior.
The generation of children we are raising today will only mimic these events if they aren't taught why it is unacceptable and illegal.
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What the hell is with the motivational activities companies are engaging in these days????? WTF is going on??? Don't they run any of this shit past their lawyers for a little look see into the legal implications if not the moral ones????
First there was that stupid company that let executives spank their subordinates and now this???? What the hell is this country coming too????
Whatever this company does, I want no part of it!!!! This is just sick!!!
"To what do you attribute your managment success?"
"We find tasers to be a big motivator. Our telemarketers calls per hour have gone up 249% in the last quarter. Now with water boarding being instituted we are expecting even higher results."
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
Just like "the good old days".
Check the fine print in your employee manual. Waterboarding might be in there already, especially if you work for some "cutting edge" place.
I heard this last night on Countdown. It is a true story. We knew it was only a matter of time until something like this happened. His fellow employees held him down while the boss poured the water. What teamwork!
"Folks, I would like you all to meet our new Director of Motivation: Dexter."
I have been a salesman and have had the management harass and intimidate me. Even when you are the top salesman of the month they will sometimes just keep pushing. It was hard enough just to take a vacation because you would lose a week of possible sales. There are a lot of more physical jobs I've had but, mentally sales were the most challenging and sometimes the hardest.
Dunces are taking over. Oh wait that was 8 years ago.
The waterboarding is a new and exciting twist, but this sort of thing has been part of sales "culture" forever. I remember having losers push an egg across the room with their noses used to be popular.
In my book, if you don't tell the boss where he can shove his egg, you've failed -- life. Which would probably explain why I'm not in sales. Honestly, even "do you want fries with that" is less demeaning than some business atmospheres.
I love the comments on the Salt Lake Tribune site. Some of the commenters claim they have worked for this company, concede that this and other "motivational" cute tricks are routinely used, but insist the guy doing the waterboarding is a "good guy who meant nothing by it" while the victim is only suing because he wants the money.
As Justice Roberts says... what's a corporation to do?
Sales is sales, no matter how they are derived.
Ron @ 53:
I have tried to sell. Forget it. I might actually prefer waterboarding to that kind of pressuere.
After reading this... I suddenly have a new and incredible love for my own job.
WTF?
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
John:
"I bet you Jonathan Hoenig would agree that a company can waterboard you for a little added motivation"
IMMATURE. Come on dude, you're supposed to be above petty insults like this.
So this company is waterboarding employees, and now they are getting sued.
Hmmm....
Two things:
1. This is what happens when government crimes against humanity go unpunished...people start to immitate it because they think it is OK. It's exacly like a child watching a parent smoke or drink heavily.
2. Maybe we need to more of the facts before rushing to judge. This case does smell of "sensationalism". Why would an employee agree to be waterboarded in the first place? Um...MORON?? Maybe it was a "Yes Man" looking for a promotion.
sully18 @ 3:
geeze what planet did you just arrive from. America has always been this way. Just not so public about it. We were waterboarding Filipinos a hundred years ago.
Do we finally get a jury determination of whether waterboarding is torture?
Torture is legal. We plan on torturing any Americans we see vacationing here this summer.
Stay away from Canada unless you want to be pulled outta your car and "simulated downing" on the street.
It's legal, Americans do it our citizens we can do it back.
Bangkok Bob @ 42:
Better get it back soon. Cause looking at the archival photos and stories of the Third Riech are beginning to seem less impressive compared to the corruption and evil of the US and it's citizens.
If what happened to this guy in Utah is true, then your country REALLY has gone down the dark road to oblivion.
This from a firm that teaches other companies how to motivate their employees? A company I once worked for must have been a client of theirs. They once suspended someone for putting up a note at his desk that read "The flogging will end when morale improves".
Prosper Inc. was the recipient of the Utah Entrepreneur of the Year Award. Maybe they are on to something?
From what I understand this Prosper company is part of Trump University and is the Coaching side of Robert G. Allen, and a bunch of other "get-rich-quick" motivational guru's. I wonder what Donald Trump has to say about this kind of practice...I don't think this is the last we will hear of this.
By the same token, GITMO 'graduates' would make stellar SALESMEN ??!!
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