free documentaries - the first one on the Israeli Lobby is great.

Didja' happen to catch Hillary Clinton’s New ‘Dead Phone’ Ad

Don Davis @ 4:

Didja' happen to catch Hillary Clinton’s New ‘Dead Phone’ Ad

So much for, "No matter what happens, we'll be fine."

Don Davis @ 4:

Didja' happen to catch Hillary Clinton’s New ‘Dead Phone’ Ad

Are Mark Penn and Karl Rove related?

My favorite Jack Handey:

"When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Ya-hoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different."

WtF I thought we had been invaded by these greedy bastards and they just thought we would be easy pickings. Apparently, they were right.

THE Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Obama should be repeating this over and over and over.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23286149-2703%2C0...

"Let's set the existance-of-God Issue aside for a later volume, and just stipulate that in some way, self -replicating organisms came into existence on this planet and immeadiately began trying to get rid of each other, either by spamming their environments with rough copies of themselves, or by more direct means which hardly need to be belabored. Most of them failed, and their genetic legacy was erased from the universe forever, but a few found a way to survive and to propagate. After about three billion years of this sometimes zzany, frequently tedious fugue of carnality and carnage, Godfrey Waterhouse IV was born in Murdo, South Dakota, to Blanche, the wife of a Congregational preacher named Bunyan Waterhouse. Like every other creature on the earth, Godfrey was, by birthright, a stupendous badass, albeit in the somewhat narrow technical sense that he could trace his ancestry back up a long line of slightly less highly evolved stupendous badasses to that first self-replicating gizmo-which given the number and variety of descendants, might justifiably be described as the most stupendous badass of all time. Everyone and everything that wasn't a stupendous badass was dead."

-The beginning of Chapter 2

Cryptonomicon

By Neal Stephenson

Good evening, Baddasses! :)

xoites defends Constitution @ 19:

You too, Ron. :)

Whoa, I thought you were referring to me specifically. At least I was hoping so.

i read somewhere that the security around mcbrain has increased, it's not to stop people attacking him, it's just to stop him wandering off.

"Zombie has let the building."

Ron @ 25:

xoites defends Constitution @ 23:

Biff Limbaugh @ 22:

i read somewhere that the security around mcbrain has increased, it's not to stop people attacking him, it's just to stop him wandering off.

I am sure the Secret Service can handle McCain's meanderings.

Actually, they have bloodhounds assigned to his detail. Just in case, just in case.

That explains why they don't have blood hounds on Cheney's detail.

Cheney:

"I have come to shoot the shit, on the face of it!"

xoites defends Constitution @ 28:

Cheney:

"I have come to shoot the shit, on the face of it!"

LOLOLLYLOLOL!!

If yer gonna be around and this funny, I'll check in with you a little later ;-}

I will be happy to read all the details in the Sunday funnies.

When if ever, will news like that hit our left wing media. Not that there is a left wing media.

did anyone see countdown this evening?
i usually watch the late showing, but it's not on... why?

nsr @ 35:

mystic @ 14:

THE Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Obama should be repeating this over and over and over.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23286149-2703%2C00.html

That's an interesting article. Yes, the money for the war should have been spent on what we, like, pay taxes on, and it should have gone into the economy instead of disappearing into war profiteer's pockets. But the housing bubble arose from people being able to get a mortgage for nothing down-- not from what the Fed was doing. (Can anyone explain how the Fed floods the economy with credit? They set the rates banks charge each other to maintain reserves, and they've loaned $50 billion to banks in the last two months. But that's recent.). And the housing boom was going on well before the war started. Also, since we get most of our oil from Canada, it looks like any inflation from the war is just more price gouging.

Instead of trying to establish a tenuous cause and effect between the war and our economic problems, why can't we go after the war profiteers, and the parasites who are charging us $3.50 for a gallon of gas? Where's Congress? Why aren't we running those gutless clowns out of goverment on a rail? One of them is the likely Republican nominee for President, and another is in second place with the Dems. They put us there. How can they show their faces in public?

Start by setting in motion the election of a majority in the House and the Senate. They cannot do it alone.

Ron @ 38:

nsr @ 35:

mystic @ 14:

THE Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Obama should be repeating this over and over and over.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0%2C25197%2C23286149-2703%2C00.html

That's an interesting article. Yes, the money for the war should have been spent on what we, like, pay taxes on, and it should have gone into the economy instead of disappearing into war profiteer's pockets. But the housing bubble arose from people being able to get a mortgage for nothing down-- not from what the Fed was doing. (Can anyone explain how the Fed floods the economy with credit? They set the rates banks charge each other to maintain reserves, and they've loaned $50 billion to banks in the last two months. But that's recent.). And the housing boom was going on well before the war started. Also, since we get most of our oil from Canada, it looks like any inflation from the war is just more price gouging.

Instead of trying to establish a tenuous cause and effect between the war and our economic problems, why can't we go after the war profiteers, and the parasites who are charging us $3.50 for a gallon of gas? Where's Congress? Why aren't we running those gutless clowns out of goverment on a rail? One of them is the likely Republican nominee for President, and another is in second place with the Dems. They put us there. How can they show their faces in public?

Start by setting in motion the election of a majority in the House and the Senate. They cannot do it alone.

Didn't Bush do something to change the lending practices guidelines?

xoites defends Constitution @ 40:

Ron @ 38:

nsr @ 35:

mystic @ 14:

That's an interesting article. Yes, the money for the war should have been spent on what we, like, pay taxes on, and it should have gone into the economy instead of disappearing into war profiteer's pockets. But the housing bubble arose from people being able to get a mortgage for nothing down-- not from what the Fed was doing. (Can anyone explain how the Fed floods the economy with credit? They set the rates banks charge each other to maintain reserves, and they've loaned $50 billion to banks in the last two months. But that's recent.). And the housing boom was going on well before the war started. Also, since we get most of our oil from Canada, it looks like any inflation from the war is just more price gouging.

Instead of trying to establish a tenuous cause and effect between the war and our economic problems, why can't we go after the war profiteers, and the parasites who are charging us $3.50 for a gallon of gas? Where's Congress? Why aren't we running those gutless clowns out of goverment on a rail? One of them is the likely Republican nominee for President, and another is in second place with the Dems. They put us there. How can they show their faces in public?

Start by setting in motion the election of a majority in the House and the Senate. They cannot do it alone.

Didn't Bush do something to change the lending practices guidelines?

Complete deregulation.

they blame Obama for moving the people.

they blame Obama for his popularity .

they blame Obama for his birth name.

they blame Obama for being Obama.

tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 44:

they blame Obama for moving the people.

they blame Obama for his popularity .

they blame Obama for his birth name.

they blame Obama for being Obama.

That's all bullshit! I blame you. :)

xoites defends Constitution @ 37:

katy @ 36:

did anyone see countdown this evening?
i usually watch the late showing, but it's not on... why?

Keith was not on because of the debate rerun.

debate rerun??? countdown was listed in the yahoo tv listings. both times...

my paranoia is spiking...

i just saw clinton's new ad....and i would like to change my vote

she wants to be all our babysitters...prez and babysitter.....good deal

who the fuck is running her campaign?"???

uncle joe mccarthy @ 50:

i just saw clinton's new ad....and i would like to change my vote

she wants to be all our babysitters...prez and babysitter.....good deal

who the fuck is running her campaign?"???

Wait, was she talking about our kids or about us?

"And here is a photograph of Hillary taking me to the park. Here is the one where she took me to the cleaners."

It's like that ad for Craig's Traveler's Checks that was on SNL-- "Hillary Clinton. She never leaves her room."

Hi y'all! You guys(and ladies) are on fire tonight, lol ;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 58:

Hi y'all! You guys(and ladies) are on fire tonight, lol ;-}

Hi, 2b. How are you?

katy @ 61:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 50:

i just saw clinton's new ad....and i would like to change my vote

she wants to be all our babysitters...prez and babysitter.....good deal

who the fuck is running her campaign?"???

what i want to know is - why did that phone RING 6 TIMES!?!?!

3am, my phone rings, i pick up before the 2nd ring...

just sayin'

The hell with that! At 3 AM my phone is off!

"Hi, can i talk to georgie? I need a war really, really bad!"

"Fuck you, call the White House!"

I am done with those late night calls!

Actually it should be spelled, "neZ."

MountainMan23 @ 33:

Guardian UK: Israeli minister warns of Holocaust for Gaza if violence continues

"The more Qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," he said, in a telephone interview with army radio yesterday morning.
...

Israel is lying in wait.

Israel has unregistered nuclear weapons. How can Israel call what they are about to do as "defending" themselves?

It's called genocide!

xoites defends Constitution @ 27:

I will not vote for John McCa.

LOL yer xtra funny today ;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 63:

xoites defends Constitution @ 60:

Proud2bHumble @ 58:

Hi y'all! You guys(and ladies) are on fire tonight, lol ;-}

Hi, 2b. How are you?

proud of how humble I am ;-}

I tried this before but, hi 2b.

The subject of her ad is disappointing. She has these consultants putting the ads together and all Oback has to do is use a common approach to it and respond in a common sense manner. He doesn't have consultants parsing every word and he wins every time.

Ron@72

backatch, How ya do Ron Ron...

Back in 1978 i was living in a group house and i got along with one guy very well and we got along with our rommates, well, not at all. We decided to move out and find another place. We were in DC and housing is always expensive there so we saw an add for what looked like a great hosue with reasonable rent in Arlington, Virginia. So we went to take a look. We met up with a real estate agent at the front door. The place looked great but it was still occupied. Whoever lived there was not at home, and i can only conclude we were not expected.

On the coffee table was a nice mirror with lines of white powder on them. On the mantle piece was a very well made scale. My friend and i were looking at each other as the real estate lady was blithely ignoring the evidence of, well let's just say a budding corporation.

The finale of the tour was when she flung open the door to the pantry to show us how large it was. There was no doubt it was large. In fact it was large enough to hold over 200 pot plants. And there they were looking back at us not knowing whether we had come to smoke them or admire them.

After the tour we decided that it would really suck to have people knocking on our door day and night looking for "a lift" and settled for a nice houde in Adams Morgan in DC.

I think it was about then i decided that the phone would be off at night.

Another "Deep Thought" by Jack Handy:

"I wouldn't be surprised if someday some fishermen caught a big shark and cut it open, and there inside was a whole person. Then they cut the person open, and in him is a little baby shark. And in the baby shark there isn't a person, because it would be too small. But there's a little doll or something, like a Johnny Combat little toy guy---something like that."

Ron @ 72:

....
The subject of her ad is disappointing. She has these consultants putting the ads together and all Oback has to do is use a common approach to it and respond in a common sense manner. He doesn't have consultants parsing every word and he wins every time.

It may have already been posted, but have seen Obama's response?

Ron @ 77:

Proud2bHumble @ 74:

Ron@72

backatch, How ya do Ron Ron...

Good, good, sharper than the average tack. How about you?

Took the day off from C&L obsessing and still catching up with the McDamnthisisgettingtobeareallllyfuckinglonglistalmostlikeafulltimejob contributions, and just now going over the 'ic' factor post and considering doing a repigletlist with definitions...

;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 82:

Ron @ 77:

Proud2bHumble @ 74:

Ron@72

backatch, How ya do Ron Ron...

Good, good, sharper than the average tack. How about you?

Took the day off from C&L obsessing and still catching up with the McDamnthisisgettingtobeareallllyfuckinglonglistalmostlikeafulltimejob contributions, and just now going over the 'ic' factor post and considering doing a repigletlist with definitions...

;-}

I like you, but you really need another hobby.

Xoites, I replied to you in the lower thread on Bay Buchanan, but I want you to read the link I supplied.

http://www.clintonpresidentialcenter.org/legacy/051697-fact-sheet-on-ant...

The claim that Pres. Clinton blocked landmine convention efforts is false, or at least too brief of a statement.

I find the idea that Presidents are supposed to be all-powerful quite absurd. The Pentagon's ENORMOUS power, versus a liberal Executive, is a mismatched fight. Quite a bit of what is tagged onto Pres. Clinton in the military regard is the result of Pentagon manipulation. He says that DADT was a Pentagon trap, and I'm sure many other examples abound.

Yet how easy it is to throw out a single line of blame, ignoring all context, and then feel like an analysis has been completed!

One of the primary problems with peoples reactions to either Clinton is that they are often non-analytical reactions. On the analytical side, there is too much distillation of complex problems for the benefit of a simple worldview.

She would make an excellent Vice President in the next Presidency, because we very much need the Clintons to restore the Executive, since they were on hand before the Disaster. A neophyte in the White House would be far faster getting up to speed with the help of someone who lived there for eight years. Compared to that literal ability and background, compare to the ultimately meaningless Iran Resolution vote, which could have never changed anything either way. A lot of you won't read her floor speech on that day, but it is not a simple and linear as people now claim, trying her and hanging her in absentia without any defense as they do.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

and

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Putting aside the inability of her vote to stop Bush from doing whatever he pleased (with a sufficient existing Congressional block to rubberstamp), she tried to make lemonade out of lemons. Seems like she does that a lot, and mostly comes up with something undrinkable. But I simply don't accept as valid the hatred she evokes, for a variety of reasons, a great number of which are that she is, like Nancy Pelosi, a pioneer, worthy or not in people's eyes.

(I meant Iraq Resolution vote.)

Tequilla's has a good hobby. He collects interesting information and shares it with the rest of us. Right Wing Hater does the same thing. Other interesting hobbies include chasing girls, figuring out how to get more miles out of a gallon of gas or living without gas.

Just don't stop talking to us, we like you. :)

katy @ 71:

xoites defends Constitution @ 62:

katy @ 61:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 50:

what i want to know is - why did that phone RING 6 TIMES!?!?!

3am, my phone rings, i pick up before the 2nd ring...

just sayin'

The hell with that! At 3 AM my phone is off!

it's a MOM thing...

I don't need another mom.

Paul in LA @ 88:

(I meant Iraq Resolution vote.)

Hi PRSOR. This thread is overloaded with talent tonite, myself humbly excluded ;-}

Proud2bHumble @ 87:

xoites defends Constitution @ 79:

You are no Booboo...

It's spelled 'Bonobo.'

That shoah comment was meant to imply a disaster, not a genocide, but I agree that the defense minister put his foot in his mouth.

Tequila @ 98:

That shoah comment was meant to imply a disaster, not a genocide, but I agree that the defense minister put his foot in his mouth.

So you think that RACISTS don't know when they use racist terminology? O'Reilly.

xoites defends Constitution @ 97:

I have just found out i am not a "Bonobo."

I had no idea.

I was pretty sure you weren't. We Irish don't tend particularly hirsute.

xoites defends Constitution @ 101:

Paul in LA @ 99:

xoites defends Constitution @ 95:

Are you telling me that the Pentagon tells the President of the United States what to say?

In his civilian government (unlike Bush's dictatorship), some things were possible, others were not. The Pentagon was able to force events independently, because generally only some form of compromise can go forward, and for sure the Congress was able to join with the Pentagon in opposing the President's will -- not the first time in U.S. history by far.

I was sort of being sarcastic, but regardless, he can still say what he thinks.

"Can't we all just get along?"

Proud2bHumble @ 102:

xoites defends Constitution @ 97:

I have just found out i am not a "Bonobo."

I had no idea.

I was pretty sure you weren't. We Irish don't tend particularly hirsute.

Late we can get together and groom each other. We can compare nits.

Paul: "Shoah" isn't meant to have racist connotations like "lynch".

Anyway, stocks are down again. The Marine in the Okinawa rape case got out. An American soldier wins the lottery, but still has to serve.

Tequila @ 108:

Paul: "Shoah" isn't meant to have racist connotations like "lynch".

Anyway, stocks are down again. The Marine in the Okinawa rape case got out. An American soldier wins the lottery, but still has to serve.

"So, how much you need to do my patrol today?"

Paul in LA @ 109:

xoites defends Constitution @ 103:

Bill Clinton pissed me off on so many levels. He bent and swayed to the will of the Republicans at every turn. Can you really blame me for opposing Hillary?

Your opposition is not the issue. It's your claim that Bill Clinton blocked the landmine convention that I am responding to. It's not that simple, and he did move the issue forward. Korea was the deal-breaker, but the military would not yield on that exception. Or something along those lines, it's been some time.

Yes, it has been some time and i don't remember the details either. But i do remember i was pissed as shit at what he did and right now after ten very well brewed beers that is about as far as this argument is going to go.

Ron @ 107:

Alan Greenspan that delivered the message to Clinton.

Is that some sort of Illuminati claim?

I don't think Greenspan was involved in the effort to eliminate landmines.

PaulnLA@0
Ron@0
xoites@0

I like all three of you very much, xoites, Paul and Ron, but I've detected a bit of acrimony before between you and Paul that I don't really understand. WTF?

xoites defends Constitution @ 112:

brewed beers

Well, maybe in a less medicated moment, then.

I am unwilling to go back over Clinton's record because he is my third least favorite President. I have other things to do.

xoites defends Constitution @ 120:

I am unwilling to go back over Clinton's record because he is my third least favorite President. I have other things to do.

This begs the question - who are your other least favorite presidents?

I figured that Bush would top the list. That was kind of a given.

Bill Clinton did everything the Republicans demaded of him and none of it was good.

Paul in LA @ 125:

xoites defends Constitution @ 115:

As far as i can tell nobody was involved in the decision to eliminate landmines because we still have them. A shitload of people were involved in keeping them.

It's not as simple as 'eliminating,' since the military with Congressional support insists on keeping them as perimeter defense, which is not worse than a machine gun except that it stays around after the conflict is over. Then the military says, no, our new mines are self-disarming after a period of time. And so on.

Clinton moved the negotiation foward, but the repugnance of war has not stopped it, and the U.S. Pentagon is and has been a Gorgon.

JFK, for instance, had to stop the Pentagon from preemptively nuking the USSR. Where's that in the Constitution?

So, if i suggested that we dismantle the Pentagon and the CIA would that offend you?

xoites defends Constitution @ 126:

Bill Clinton did everything the Republicans demaded of him and none of it was good.

Kosovo was NATO, opposed by the Republicans across the board, and saved 150,000 Muslim lives, while putting the racist Milosevich on warcrimes trial. U.S. losses? Zero.

The cruise missile he put into the Belgrade tv station broadcasting Milosevich's genocidal demagoguery should have had a pair in one into the Rwandan radio station, and he'd have made me more happy. But I applaud him for blowing that racist tv station off the earth (with warning, as was given).

Paul in LA @ 130:

xoites defends Constitution @ 126:

Bill Clinton did everything the Republicans demaded of him and none of it was good.

Kosovo was NATO, opposed by the Republicans across the board, and saved 150,000 Muslim lives, while putting the racist Milosevich on warcrimes trial. U.S. losses? Zero.

The cruise missile he put into the Belgrade tv station broadcasting Milosevich's genocidal demagoguery should have had a pair in one into the Rwandan radio station, and he'd have made me more happy. But I applaud him for blowing that racist tv station off the earth (with warning, as was given).

I was deeply oppossed to that war. He waited three fucking years to get involved after whinning about the genocide in Africa.

xoites defends Constitution @ 128:

So, if i suggested that we dismantle the Pentagon and the CIA would that offend you?

Over ten beers, no. Probably have to have some shots too, if you want to REALLY get into change.

Paul in LA @ 127:

Ron @ 121:

It's not just the pentagon.

And there you have it, Proud.

Ron's Libertarian plain acceptance of the Federal Reserve conspiracy theory is a persistent stumbling block in our relations.

Now you are going stupid again. It has nothing to do with libertarian.

Paul in LA @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

I was deeply oppossed to that war.

Why? Was it in response to the characterization of it via Democracy Now! and Jeremy Scahill's reporting?

Meaning what?

Hey 2b, how many names is your list up to for McCantgetenoughoftheantiCatholicpastor?

xoites defends Constitution @ 138:

Paul in LA @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

I was deeply oppossed to that war.

Why? Was it in response to the characterization of it via Democracy Now! and Jeremy Scahill's reporting?

Meaning what?

Forget that asshole. One moment he's trying to cozy up and the next he is trying to be a Hannity.

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

Your comment stating support for bombing a radio station is despicable.

A radio station broadcasting genocidal instructions is engaged in international crimes against humanity. Under treaty, that action MUST be opposed, and stopped.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Kosovo was NATO, opposed by the Republicans across the board, and saved 150,000 Muslim lives, while putting the racist Milosevich on warcrimes trial.

If Clinton really cared, he would have acted sooner. What happened in Kosovo was clearly just a way to undermine impeachment proceedings against him. The intervention in Somalia was also an attempt to look as "tough" on war as Bush Sr., which is why no one takes it seriously to this day. I don't believe for a second a "humanitarian" or "anti-establishment" President would bring back the nuclear arms race.

xoites defends Constitution @ 143:

Your problem, Paul, is that you can find ways in your head to kill people if in some way you think other people will live better lives. At the base of it that is what is wrong with our country.

That we aren't all utter pacifists? No wonder you drink.

I'm actively engaged in trying to back off the militancy of the United States. But my support of Obama went up when Samantha Power pointed out the need for the U.S. military to be trained for intervention in peacekeeping missions. That's true, and at the same time it is SO different than most US military actions that it would require a complete shift of perspective. And of course Bushco has broken every piece of china they could find, to try to permanently derail any such efforts in the future.

BC's foreign policy was generally awful. Compared to Reagan-Bush-Bush, he was closer to that ideal, though not by much.

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